Titanic Tour Submarine Missing.

[PlanB]

This guy was on the same submersible 3 weeks ago and the dive was cancelled.

 

[rrrr]

The best analysis of the failure by materials experts that I've seen:

Titan implosion: What went wrong with doomed sub

Submersible’s composition of carbon and and titanium was a ‘maverick’ feat of engineering

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[pronstar]

if this
if this pick is real and not photoshopped holly shit you dumb fxzs you need a few 50 year old white guys that have seen picks of the dumb ass upholstery guy screwing through the hull of a boat into the bunks on the trailer not the 25 year old college grad with no real life experience that ran the screw gun

To their credit, they don’t appear to be drywall screws

 

[RiverDave]

The best analysis of the failure by materials experts that I've seen:

Titan implosion: What went wrong with doomed sub

Submersible’s composition of carbon and and titanium was a ‘maverick’ feat of engineering

www.telegraph.co.uk

There is a pay wall.. what did it say?

 

[rrrr]

There is a pay wall.. what did it say?

Try it again.

 

[RiverDave]

Try it again.

Still a paywall

 

[CarolynandBob]

The best analysis of the failure by materials experts that I've seen:

Titan implosion: What went wrong with doomed sub

Submersible’s composition of carbon and and titanium was a ‘maverick’ feat of engineering

www.telegraph.co.uk

Opened for me

The submersible that was lost on a voyage to the Titanic may have imploded because of its unconventional build of titanium and carbon fibre, regarded as unsuitable for a passenger vessel.
The US Coast Guard said that the debris from the Titan found on Thursday was “consistent with a catastrophic implosion”.
Stockton Rush, the chief executive officer of OceanGate, proudly claimed the submersible’s composition of carbon fibre and titanium was a maverick feat of engineering, but experts believe it may have been its undoing.
Prof Blair Thornton, of the University of Southampton, told The Telegraph that submersibles that dive to depths that the Titan was attempting, 13,000ft, are typically “made fully out of titanium or steel spherical housings with a few acrylic windows”.
“Carbon fibre, being a more modern material, is less understood in such conditions,” he added.
“My understanding is that this particular submersible was working together in conjunction with experts in the field. But having said that, making something of this size out of that material is something unique to the Titan submersible.”
Mr Rush, who was among those killed in the vessel, had previously said that he had “broken some rules” in the construction of the sub, including using both carbon fibre and titanium materials.

In an interview with Alan Estrada, a Mexican actor who boarded the Titan on a voyage to the Titanic wreck last year, Mr Rush said: “I’d like to be remembered as an innovator. I think it was General MacArthur that said, ‘You’re remembered for the rules you break’ and you know, I’ve broken some rules to make this.
“I think I’ve broken them with logic and good engineering behind me, the carbon fibre and titanium, there’s a rule you don’t do that. Well, I did.”
However, Prof Thornton said there was a reason why these materials have not been combined for such experiments before.
The Titan’s carbon fibre cylinder and titanium domes “deform by slightly different amounts under pressure, so the friction between their interface can concentrate the stress in that region”.
“These would be the most likely places where defects form and initiate a catastrophic failure,” he said.
The use of two titanium hemispheres with a cylinder in between them is not in and of itself unique.
However, according to Prof Thornton, these structures “get used on systems that don’t have people on them” and are normally not made of carbon fibre.

William Kohnen, the chairman of the Marine Technology Society’s submersible committee, said the Titan’s carbon fibre hull required “special extra attention” because it “had never been done before”.
He said the unusual design would probably have required “quite a bit of extra testing to get passed through that certification process”.
Prof Roderick A Smith, of Imperial College London, said he was “very suspicious” of the joints between the carbon fibre and titanium end pieces.
He said: “It’s notoriously difficult to join composite materials like that carbon fibre to metallic components like titanium.”
A catastrophic failure like that of the Titan is the result of a “chain reaction” of structural failures that causes the entire housing to implode.
The force experienced by the submersible would have been “absolutely immense”, Prof Thornton said, equivalent “to the Eiffel Tower sitting on top of this housing”. The deaths of the passengers would have been instantaneous, he added.
When the Argentine submarine San Juan imploded in 2017, killing 44 crew members, the pressure hull was “completely destroyed” in approximately 40 milliseconds as water entered in at a speed of about 1,800mph, according to the US Office of Naval Intelligence.

OceanGate has been accused of exploiting a loophole in passenger safety regulations, with the company referring to its customers as “mission specialists” and “crew members” who help with operating equipment on the submersible.
The firm also describes the $250,000 (£200,000) payment for the Titanic trip as “training and mission support fees” which “underwrite the mission”.
Speaking about the Titan, Michael G Welham, a former Royal Marines commando, said of the vessel: “The craft is not designed and tested, to my knowledge, to the level that you would want or expect for a craft to go down to those depths.
“Now it has been down there on previous trips, but that still doesn’t make it right because on this one, it got down there and it went ‘bang’ in effect.”
When asked whether he would have boarded the submersible, he said: “I wouldn’t go into it if it was sitting on the deck of the ship. It seemed very ad hoc [and] put-together, sort of flimsy. It wasn’t what I would call a proper research craft anyway.”
Prof Smith warned that it may be impossible to determine the sequence of the failure of the sub, saying: “One simply can’t tell until you’ve had a detailed look at the bits and tried to work out the sequence.
“It’s detective work in the similar way that we would use in plane crashes. We’ve got to sift through the debris and try and find the root cause.”

US officials have not yet conclusively determined whether the “catastrophic implosion” occurred at the exact point the Titan fell silent – about an hour and 45 minutes into its dive.
However, fragments of the vessel scattered across the ocean floor could provide some clues about its final moments.
Investigators continue to scour the debris field, which is about 1,600 feet from the bow of the Titanic. The wreckage lies at a depth of more than two miles.
Guillermo Sohnlein, the co-founder of OceanGate, cautioned against rushing to a judgment over the cause of the tragedy.
He told CNN: “There are teams on site that are still going to be collecting data for the next few days, weeks, maybe months, and it’s going to be a long time before we know exactly what happened down there.
“So I would encourage us to hold off on speculation until we have more data to go on.”
Mr Sohnlein criticised claims that Mr Rush took a cavalier approach to safety, calling him a “risk manager” rather than a “risk taker”.
“We won’t know anything until the investigation is complete,” he said, “So I’ll reserve judgment. But I’ve known him for 15 years, and none of this would change my mind.”

 

[OLDRAAT]

Have been watching Jim Cameron's responses. He sums it up very well. Accident waiting to happen IMO. Hopefully it was instantaneous and no one suffered

 

[toto]

Josh Jates from Expedition Unknown went in the sub and sounds like it scared the shit out of him.

‘Expedition: Unknown’ Host Josh Gates Says He Dove In Titanic Sub, But Decided Against Going Down Again To Film Because Craft “Did Not Perform Well”, Missing Sub

Gates says Titan "did not perform well" and that there are "concerning" details about the "history and design" of the craft have not yet been made public.

deadline.com

 

[2Driver]

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Are you saying he screwed through the hull?

 

[arch stanton]

the

Are you saying he screwed through the hull?

The hull is 6 inches thick i believe so not through but into it
i don’t think even screwing into the pressure vessel 1/2 an inch would be a wise move

 

[4Waters]

Are you saying he screwed through the hull?

Any screw in the hull will cause a weak spot. I'm pretty sure they didn't screw through hull.

 

[4Waters]

 

[Luvnlife]

Something like this

 

[stephenkatsea]

James Cameron and Bob Ballard tell it about as well as it can be said. Believe I mentioned previously, I’ve known Bob since I was 7 yrs old. He and my older brother were good friends and remain so.

I believe a complete investigation will be made to determine the cause of this tragedy. For now, there are numerous suppositions. As far as carrying passengers, the USCG used to make separate designations for ‘carrying passengers for hire’ and ‘persons other than crew’. Believe that remains so today and there are different requirements for each. Some of the victims clearly appear to have been paying passengers. Jurisdiction and rules applicable to an operation in International Waters is a separate issue.

 

[traquer]

The more you find out about this, the worse it gets...

But psychologically it is kind of soothing if you know what I mean? When people screw up so royally, my business and life mistakes seem small in comparison. That's what I was thinking when that ship got stuck in the Suez Canal too. Like sometimes I feel kinda dumb and useless, but I realize we are all humans and others have fugged up shit wayyy more than I have. Just makes me chill out and realize I can't control anything.

Anyway, RIP to the poor souls who didn't appreciate the risks. The CEO and designers though, no sympathy.

 

[OLDRAAT]

If that pompous CEO did not reach out to Cameron or Ballard when he started this entire operation, he definitely was a fool.

 

[rrrr]

Something like this

A vacuum is defined as a space devoid of matter. There's literally nothing in it.

This implosion occurred because a vacuum truck removed the atmospheric air from it to the point that the 14.7 PSI pressure of the atmosphere acting on its entire exterior surface caused it to implode. You can see the implosion took around 100 to 200 milliseconds.

Consider the pressure under the ocean at 12,500'. It's about 5,700 PSI, close to 400 times atmospheric pressure. It has been calculated the Titan imploded in one or two milliseconds, fully one hundred times faster than the tank car above.

That gives you an idea of the violence of the event.

 

[rrrr]

I believe a complete investigation will be made to determine the cause of this tragedy. For now, there are numerous suppositions. As far as carrying passengers, the USCG used to make separate designations for ‘carrying passengers for hire’ and ‘persons other than crew’. Believe that remains so today and there are different requirements for each. Some of the victims clearly appear to have been paying passengers. Jurisdiction and rules applicable to an operation in International Waters is a separate issue.

The organization attempted to circumvent those requirements by slight of hand. From the British publication Telegraph article I posted above:

OceanGate has been accused of exploiting a loophole in passenger safety regulations, with the company referring to its customers as “mission specialists” and “crew members” who help with operating equipment on the submersible.

The firm also describes the $250,000 (£200,000) payment for the Titanic trip as “training and mission support fees” which “underwrite the mission”.

 

[Outdrive1]

Are you saying he screwed through the hull?

I saw that on FB, my thought was you wouldn’t want anything screwed into it? That it would weaken the structure.

 

[OLDRAAT]

Even a BOS pre-audit would have uprooted alot of inconsistencies and requirements in the design at the minimum and the lack of evidence of componet qualification and testing. I'm confident he did not want to hear the findings or accept the that his engineering and manufacturing could (would) pose a risk of life for each immersion and dive.

 

[monkeyswrench]

The more you find out about this, the worse it gets...

But psychologically it is kind of soothing if you know what I mean? When people screw up so royally, my business and life mistakes seem small in comparison. That's what I was thinking when that ship got stuck in the Suez Canal too. Like sometimes I feel kinda dumb and useless, but I realize we are all humans and others have fugged up shit wayyy more than I have. Just makes me chill out and realize I can't control anything.

Anyway, RIP to the poor souls who didn't appreciate the risks. The CEO and designers though, no sympathy.

It's kind of like I think of young kids who die doing something inherently dangerous or just risky. We all make mistakes, and hopefully we learn from them. In some cases, mistakes are made, and there isn't a second chance. These people may not be kids, but the same applies here. A mistake was made to go, to trust or to believe in a false design. All mistakes that ended their lives, and they won't get to learn from it.

From their deaths though, many things will be learned. Hopefully, in time, that group of explorers will look upon those lost as having made a sacrifice, and not just fools.

 

[Mr. C]

taking nothing away from Cameron but I did see him talking on the news how this is different than taking the titanic at full speed and running into in ice berg.
I was kind of taken back when he supposedly researched the shit out of the titanic. But failed to bring into play that the coal storage bins on the titanic had caught fire. And been on fire for a few days before & when they left port.

Edit. Coal storage was On the same side that hit the ice berg. Which in turn had just been weakening the hull.


They had a schedule. And didn’t matter as it turns out how many people died.
Just sayin. There is always more to the story. Or cover up. Depends on how you see or interpret things.

 

[rmarion]

 

[traquer]

Great point ^^^^ As I said, the more you hear about this operation the worse it gets.

Here's James Cameron's sub for reference, 8 feet of lightbars

 

[4Waters]

Great point ^^^^ As I said, the more you hear about this operation the worse it gets.

Here's James Cameron's sub for reference, 8 feet of lightbars

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See, now that's a snap-on submersible

 

[Done-it-again]

Great point ^^^^ As I said, the more you hear about this operation the worse it gets.

Here's James Cameron's sub for reference, 8 feet of lightbars

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That’s a single seater. Can you imagine how big it needs to be to carry 5 people.

 

[rrrr]

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Great point ^^^^ As I said, the more you hear about this operation the worse it gets.

Here's James Cameron's sub for reference, 8 feet of lightbars

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The Nautile was constructed in 1984, prior to the invention of large scale LEDs. Those are probably halogen lamps.

Cameron's DeepSea Challenger is a research vehicle, not a tourist ride. Those lights allow it to closely inspect the seafloor at depths of over six miles.

The Titan had enough LED lighting to provide sufficient illumination of the area directly in front of the porthole for viewing the Titanic. There are dozens of photos taken from the sub posted online.

Memes are generally a really poor source for accurate information.

 

[monkeyswrench]

The Nautile was constructed in 1984, prior to the invention of large scale LEDs. Those are probably halogen lamps.

Cameron's DeepSea Challenger is a research vehicle, not a tourist ride. Those lights allow it to closely inspect the seafloor at depths of over six miles.

The Titan had enough LED lighting to provide sufficient illumination of the area directly in front of the porthole for viewing the Titanic. There are dozens of photos taken from the sub posted online.

Memes are generally a really poor source for accurate information.

Yesterday I was looking at pictures of the DeepSea Challenger with my son. There was a pic that must have been taken on a test dive...it reminded me of the old "scuba diver" toys. (Place them in a 2 liter, put the cap on and squeeze, and the diver would sink.) The DSC looked like it was almost balancing on it's nose, and the wall of lights lit up a large area in front. Very bizarre contraption, but looked extremely well thought out and engineered, like a space craft more than a submarine.

 

[rrrr]

Yesterday I was looking at pictures of the DeepSea Challenger with my son. There was a pic that must have been taken on a test dive...it reminded me of the old "scuba diver" toys. (Place them in a 2 liter, put the cap on and squeeze, and the diver would sink.) The DSC looked like it was almost balancing on it's nose, and the wall of lights lit up a large area in front. Very bizarre contraption, but looked extremely well thought out and engineered, like a space craft more than a submarine.

Cameron spent the money to build a proper submersible. OceanGate didn't, by far.

By the way, their website has been taken offline.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Cameron spent the money to build a proper submersible. OceanGate didn't, by far.

By the way, their website has been taken offline.

I think Cameron has two major things going for him: A huge budget, and an actual love for what he's doing. He's been into the stuff since before "the Abyss" I would think. Above the Titanic stuff, I really liked "Expedition: Bismarck"

 

[Racey]

There is a pay wall.. what did it say?

https://archive.is/O3Ngd

 

[rrrr]

taking nothing away from Cameron but I did see him talking on the news how this is different than taking the titanic at full speed and running into in ice berg.
I was kind of taken back when he supposedly researched the shit out of the titanic. But failed to bring into play that the coal storage bins on the titanic had caught fire. And been on fire for a few days before & when they left port.

Edit. Coal storage was On the same side that hit the ice berg. Which in turn had just been weakening the hull.


They had a schedule. And didn’t matter as it turns out how many people died.
Just sayin. There is always more to the story. Or cover up. Depends on how you see or interpret things.

Since 1912 to today, almost every historian and materials expert that investigated the coal bunker fire as a contributing cause to the sinking of the Titanic has dismissed the theory, as it opposes testimony of surviving crewmen, the location of the hull breach, computer modeling of the event, and testing done on a representative section of the hull steel retrieved from the ocean floor.

Fire Did Not Sink the Titanic

The sinking of the British ocean liner RMS Titanic has captivated countless generations and individuals since the ship’s tragic demise 106 years ago. Several movies, books, TV shows, documentaries and musicals have collected the attention of the

www.shipwreckworld.com

 

[Mr. C]

Since 1912 to today, almost every historian and materials expert that investigated the coal bunker fire as a contributing cause to the sinking of the Titanic has dismissed the theory, as it opposes testimony of surviving crewmen, the location of the hull breach, computer modeling of the event, and testing done on a representative section of the hull steel retrieved from the ocean floor.

Fire Did Not Sink the Titanic

The sinking of the British ocean liner RMS Titanic has captivated countless generations and individuals since the ship’s tragic demise 106 years ago. Several movies, books, TV shows, documentaries and musicals have collected the attention of the

www.shipwreckworld.com

Keyword almost. There are many theories even in this thread why they were in such a hurry to get there. Obviously I have no clue what is the truth or not. And again it all depends on how you want perceive what you’re told. What to think or maybe a little of all of it mix together

 

[rrrr]

Keyword almost. There are many theories even in this thread why they were in such a hurry to get there. Obviously I have no clue what is the truth or not. And again it all depends on how you want perceive what you’re told. What to think or maybe a little of all of it mix together

Almost as in all of them except five or six. There's no doubt Captain Smith's decision to steam at speeds near 25 kts after receiving reports of ice in his path were the reason for the collision.

What I perceive to be true is based on my own knowledge and judgement, the supposed facts presented, and the qualifications of those providing the information. I use multiple sources to verify claims.

Regarding the coal bunker fire, the overwhelming historical and scientific evidence allows me to dismiss it as a reason for the sinking of the Titanic. Over 100 years of investigation of the theory by people that had absolutely no ideological or agenda driven impulses is a lot more believable than outliers that make rather easily disprovable claims.

 

[kurtis500]

is it wrong to ask for more memes?

 

[rrrr]

is it wrong to ask for more memes?

 

[Shlbyntro]

Almost as in all of them except five or six. There's no doubt Captain Smith's decision to steam at speeds near 25 kts after receiving reports of ice in his path were the reason for the collision.

What I perceive to be true is based on my own knowledge and judgement, the supposed facts presented, and the qualifications of those providing the information. I use multiple sources to verify claims.

Regarding the coal bunker fire, the overwhelming historical and scientific evidence allows me to dismiss it as a reason for the sinking of the Titanic. Over 100 years of investigation of the theory by people that had absolutely no ideological or agenda driven impulses is a lot more believable than outliers that make rather easily disprovable claims.

maybe not directly, but it has been thought that the attempting to burn the coal from the bunker fire was contributing to the Titanics excessive speed as general practice back then was to shovel the burning bunker coal into the furnace as fast as possible, to A,: get as much use out of the coal as you could before it needlessly burnt up, and B: get the bunker emptied and the fire put out before refueling when making the next port. No doubt the Coal Miners strike in GB at the time also was playing a role in the decision making processes of the company and crew as I believe that they barely loaded enough coal to make the crossing to begin with and expected to be able to refill their stores in America. EJ Smith didn't exactly have an amazing safety record either. So did the bunker fire cause the sinking? No I don't think so, not directly anyway. But it absolutely was a major contributing factor to the accident and tragedy in my opinion

 

[RVR SWPR]

Negative or positive response for some no matter issue works ok. Not going bother look a few pages back to quote the rotted out meme something about the lady fucking 5 guys,
Real class. Cannot believe any of our significant others and ladies we all know here would be impressed.

 

[HTTP404]

Science.

 

[rrrr]

maybe not directly, but it has been thought that the attempting to burn the coal from the bunker fire was contributing to the Titanics excessive speed as general practice back then was to shovel the burning bunker coal into the furnace as fast as possible, to A,: get as much use out of the coal as you could before it needlessly burnt up, and B: get the bunker emptied and the fire put out before refueling when making the next port. No doubt the Coal Miners strike in GB at the time also was playing a role in the decision making processes of the company and crew as I believe that they barely loaded enough coal to make the crossing to begin with and expected to be able to refill their stores in America. EJ Smith didn't exactly have an amazing safety record either. So did the bunker fire cause the sinking? No I don't think so, not directly anyway. But it absolutely was a major contributing factor to the accident and tragedy in my opinion

I've never heard of the scenario you posted.

Bunker fires were not uncommon on steamships of that era. They burned rather slowly due to the limited oxygen available in the stokehold to feed the fire. It wasn't a critical emergency.

I'm pretty sure the ship's speed of around 22 kts had been maintained the entire day prior to the collision, and was below its maximum.

 

[Shlbyntro]

I've never heard of the scenario you posted.

1850-1950 is my favorite period of world history.

I've never heard of the scenario you posted.

Bunker fires were not uncommon on steamships of that era. They burned rather slowly due to the limited oxygen available in the stokehold to feed the fire. It wasn't a critical emergency.

I'm pretty sure the ship's speed of around 22 kts had been maintained the entire day prior to the collision, and was below its maximum.

I understand bunker fires were not uncommon and wasn't suggesting that they were traveling at maximum speed, but I do believe that an attempt was being made to empty the the burning bunker which probably played a role in the faster speeds it was traveling at.

Titanic & National Coal Strike 1912

In April 1912, the effects of the coal strike were felt in the coaling of Titanic prior to her departure from Southampton. In order for Titanic to have sufficient supplies of coal for the voyage, O…

josephbellengineer.com

Joseph Bell, Chief Engineer on the R.M.S. Titanic
Titanic & National Coal Strike 1912
Posted by castlehead
In April 1912, the effects of the coal strike were felt in the coaling of Titanic prior to her departure from Southampton. In order for Titanic to have sufficient supplies of coal for the voyage, Oceanic was laid up in the Port to facilitate this.

 

[rrrr]

1850-1950 is my favorite period of world history.


I understand bunker fires were not uncommon and wasn't suggesting that they were traveling at maximum speed, but I do believe that an attempt was being made to empty the the burning bunker which probably played a role in the faster speeds it was traveling at.

Titanic & National Coal Strike 1912

In April 1912, the effects of the coal strike were felt in the coaling of Titanic prior to her departure from Southampton. In order for Titanic to have sufficient supplies of coal for the voyage, O…

josephbellengineer.com

Joseph Bell, Chief Engineer on the R.M.S. Titanic
Titanic & National Coal Strike 1912
Posted by castlehead
In April 1912, the effects of the coal strike were felt in the coaling of Titanic prior to her departure from Southampton. In order for Titanic to have sufficient supplies of coal for the voyage, Oceanic was laid up in the Port to facilitate this.

Indeed, other ships were deprived of coal so the Titanic could be fully fueled. While that is accurate, I am skeptical of other assertions in your link, particularly because of obvious inaccuracies. For example, the blog states the following:

When the look-out spotted the approaching iceberg, he sounded the warning and the vessel was immediately turned hard to starboard and the engines put into full reverse, but it was already too late to avoid disaster.

I think just about everyone knows the Titanic first turned to port and struck the iceberg on the forward starboard side. But anyone that has studied the event knows the details of that.

Beginning in the seventeenth century, the steering on sailing ships, and after them steamships, particularly British, were rigged so that turning the helm in one direction sent the ship in the other direction. This was a holdover from the days of tiller steering, in which a movement of the tiller to one side resulted in the vessel moving in the opposite direction. This convention persisted in new British ships for another ten or fifteen years after the Titanic sank.

The Titanic's helmsman survived the sinking, and he testified that when First Officer Murdoch, who had the conn, was alerted to the presence of the iceberg, he ordered the helm "Hard a starboard." This had the effect of turning the ship to port, but because of its size and speed, it couldn't avoid the collision.

Not only that, Murdoch also commanded and the bridge telegraph to the engine room ordered engine stop, not reverse.

This is basic Titanic history. I spotted other errors in the blog, but you get the idea.

 

[rrrr]

The titanium rings at the end of the carbon fiber pressure vessel that accepted the door seal and rear bulkhead were manually glued in place with epoxy. That made three different coefficients of contraction exposed to over 5,500 PSI.

Conservatively estimating the size of the ring and its surface exposure to the ocean, that equals over 15 million pounds of pressure on the ring at each end of the cylinder. OceanGate's head engineer is quoted as saying there are over 150 million pounds of pressure on the entire vehicle at depth.

Cyclic fatique combined with those different rates of contraction under pressure, in my amateur opinion, could have easily debonded the rings and caused the implosion.

This video exposes the craziness of the idea this would work.

 

[monkeyswrench]

" Cyclic fatique combined with those different rates of expansion, in my amateur opinion, could have easily debonded the rings and caused the implosion."

In my primitive head, I'm kind of picturing the expansion rates of dissimilar metals within an engine assembly. In this case, the "hull" may compress differently than the caps, causing a stress differential where the two materials adjoin.

 

[rrrr]

In my primitive head, I'm kind of picturing the expansion rates of dissimilar metals within an engine assembly. In this case, the "hull" may compress differently than the caps, causing a stress differential where the two materials adjoin.

That is what I have surmised. Correct? Dunno.

Edit: Not the caps, the titanium ring bonded to the carbon fiber with epoxy. The caps would have the same coefficient of contraction as the rings because they're both titanium.

 

[Shlbyntro]

Indeed, other ships were deprived of coal so the Titanic could be fully fueled. While that is accurate, I am skeptical of other assertions in your link, particularly because of obvious inaccuracies. For example, the blog states the following:

When the look-out spotted the approaching iceberg, he sounded the warning and the vessel was immediately turned hard to starboard and the engines put into full reverse, but it was already too late to avoid disaster.

I think just about everyone knows the Titanic first turned to port and struck the iceberg on the forward starboard side. But anyone that has studied the event knows the details of that.

Beginning in the seventeenth century, the steering on sailing ships, and after them steamships, particularly British, were rigged so that turning the helm in one direction sent the ship in the other direction. This was a holdover from the days of tiller steering, in which a movement of the tiller to one side resulted in the vessel moving in the opposite direction. This convention persisted in new British ships for another ten or fifteen years after the Titanic sank.

The Titanic's helmsman survived the sinking, and he testified that when First Officer Murdoch, who had the conn, was alerted to the presence of the iceberg, he ordered the helm "Hard a starboard." This had the effect of turning the ship to port, but because of its size and speed, it couldn't avoid the collision.

Not only that, Murdoch also commanded and the bridge telegraph to the engine room ordered engine stop, not reverse.

This is basic Titanic history. I spotted other errors in the blog, but you get the idea.

I'm missing the inaccuracy here aside from the reverse/stop order. And this was just a link I pulled to reference on here. ive seen and read the same in multiple works on the Titanic which was using "tiller commands"

 

[rrrr]

I'm missing the inaccuracy here aside from the reverse/stop order. And this was just a link I pulled to reference on here. ive seen and read the same in multiple works on the Titanic which was using "tiller commands"

...he sounded the warning and the vessel was immediately turned hard to starboard...

 

[stephenkatsea]

FWIW - I personally am not intrigued by the Titanic. When it comes to ocean exploration there are so many other more interesting and perhaps more worthwhile ventures; Amelia Earhart, sources of pieces of gold washed ashore thru the years along the CA coast (particularly Cardiff to Trestles), further Black Sea exploration, the search for WWII Axis Pack subs which carried huge sums of gold, remains of lost South Pacific tribal vessels in search of Hawaii etc etc etc

 

[Shlbyntro]

...he sounded the warning and the vessel was immediately turned hard to starboard...

ya, "tiller command"

it's bass ackwards from modern day logic but was common 100 years ago