Titanic Tour Submarine Missing.

[TimeBandit]

The CEO lied.

Nasa did not help build it.

University of Washington did not help build it.

Boeing did not help build it.

The construction sounds more like the CF cylinder I have to fill my air guns, and that timed out at 15 years old, when it's empty nobody will fill it.

The sub was constructed in much the same way, it would have made one hell of a scuba tank, a submarine? not so much.

 

[rrrr]

ya, "tiller command"

it's bass ackwards from modern day logic but was common 100 years ago

It wasn't the vessel that was turned to starboard, it was the wheel. See the difference?

 

[Shlbyntro]

It wasn't the vessel that was turned to starboard, it was the wheel. See the difference?

so you're debating that the author of this one article accidently used the word "vessel" when referring to the helm command??


here's one copy and pasted from Wikipedia and essentially saying the same thing?


At approximately 11:39 pm on 14 April 1912, First Officer Murdoch was in charge when a large iceberg which weighed up to 50 million tonnes directly in the Titanic's path was sighted. Quartermaster Robert Hichens, who was at the helm, and Fourth Officer Joseph Boxhall, who may or may not have been on the bridge at the time,[3] both stated that Murdoch gave the order "Hard-a-starboard",[4][5][6] a tiller command which would turn the ship to port (left) by moving the tiller to starboard (right).

At the time, steering instructions on British ships generally followed the way tillers on sailing vessels are operated, with turns in the opposite direction from the commands. As Walter Lord noted in The Night Lives On, this did not fully change to the "steering wheel" system of commands in the same directions as turns until 1924.

 

[4Waters]

The CEO lied.

Nasa did not help build it.

University of Washington did not help build it.

Boeing did not help build it.

The construction sounds more like the CF cylinder I have to fill my air guns, and that timed out at 15 years old, when it's empty nobody will fill it.

The sub was constructed in much the same way, it would have made one hell of a scuba tank, a submarine? not so much.

Well, the good thing is they won't be caught up in the lawsuits now

 

[rrrr]

so you're debating that the author of this one article accidently used the word "vessel" when referring to the helm command??

Whats to debate? The statement the vessel turned to starboard is factually incorrect, done "accidentally" or not. It wasn't an article, it's a blog that purports to be knowledgeable about the ship.

I'm well aware of how the Titanic was steered. If you read my original post you quoted, you'll see that.

 

[Shlbyntro]

Whats to debate? The statement the vessel turned to starboard is factually incorrect, done "accidentally" or not. It wasn't an article, it's a blog that purports to be knowledgeable about the ship.

I'm well aware of how the Titanic was steered. If you read my original post you quoted, you'll see that.

ok, well I apologize for pulling the quote from a source with typos. It does not change the fact that the Titanic was light on coal when they set sail and that they were fighting a coal bunker fire during the voyage. It is not unreasonable to surmise that these factors played a significant role in the sinking.

Tragedies are almost always the result of a series of factors and decisions made in the moment in response to those events and are rarely due to any single thing that happened.

but Im done beating this horse.

 

[rrrr]

ok, well I apologize for pulling the quote from a source with typos. It does not change the fact that the Titanic was light on coal when they set sail and that they were fighting a coal bunker fire during the voyage. It is not unreasonable to surmise that these factors played a significant role in the sinking.

Tragedies are almost always the result of a series of factors and decisions made in the moment in response to those events and are rarely due to any single thing that happened.

but Im done beating this horse.

That's good, because I haven't pointed out that according to records, Titanic had 1,000 tons more coal loaded than its sister ship Olympic did on its maiden voyage to New York, and it arrived there with 1,300 tons still on board.

Good discussion.

 

[HST4ME]

They got imploderized fucking around where they shouldn't have been. /end thread.

 

[Shlbyntro]

That's good, because I haven't pointed out that according to records, Titanic had 1,000 tons more coal loaded than its sister ship Olympic did on its maiden voyage to New York, and it arrived there with 1,300 tons still on board.

Good discussion.

on a ship that burned 6-800t a day under normal circumstances. Id be feeling range anxiety too if I were them.

it does beat slinging shit at the walls with the submarine

 

[ChumpChange]

I guess Lego needs to update their kit.

 

[ChumpChange]

This guy was on the same submersible 3 weeks ago and the dive was cancelled.

Found this today on Yahoo. Good video where you can see how it closes.

 

[RiverDave]

James Cameron and Bob Ballard tell it about as well as it can be said. Believe I mentioned previously, I’ve known Bob since I was 7 yrs old. He and my older brother were good friends and remain so.

I believe a complete investigation will be made to determine the cause of this tragedy. For now, there are numerous suppositions. As far as carrying passengers, the USCG used to make separate designations for ‘carrying passengers for hire’ and ‘persons other than crew’. Believe that remains so today and there are different requirements for each. Some of the victims clearly appear to have been paying passengers. Jurisdiction and rules applicable to an operation in International Waters is a separate issue.

I believe the passengers were finance partners..

 

[stephenkatsea]

I believe the passengers were finance partners..

The father and son from Pakistan and the British business man?

 

[RiverDave]

The father and son from Pakistan and the British business man?

Watch the video where the owner was talking about how it’s financed

 

[monkeyswrench]

The passengers were listed as "crewmembers" or "researchers", and their ticket fees were probably listed as research "grants"...to skirt various regulations

 

[Desert Whaler]

. . . 16 pages of this . . .

 

[rrrr]

. . . 16 pages of this . . .

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It's better than three different thirty page threads about Speed Cars. I keep forgetting RDP normally isn't a place for intelligent discussion about current events.

I'll try to do better.

 

[yz450mm]

nope, it was BA[SELECT][START]

2x on the BA

 

[RiverDave]

It's better than three different thirty page threads about Speed Cars. I keep forgetting RDP normally isn't a place for intelligent discussion about current events.

I'll try to do better.

It very well could be if certain idiots would think before they post..

 

[stephenkatsea]

Not finding the video mentioning the Titan sub passengers were finance partners. Reportedly, the father and son, and the Brit paid $250k each. That’s a chunk. The other 2 were Rush, the CEO and founder of OceanGate (pilot of Titan) and “P.H.” Nargeolet, a very experienced deep submergence explorer/expert from France. It’s seems surprising PH opted to be involved with Titan. Not sure how the financing of OceanGate was conducted. Did see where OceanGate had received some PPP money. That’s an overall subject which still pisses me off. And I know some people who received it - all were ‘forgiven’ amounts, some well into the millions.

According to Ballard, the Titan was the only human occupied deep submergence vehicle, in existence, not certified by a classification body- ABS, BV, DNV, NK etc. That would have been a large step in the right direction. But, apparently OceanGate opted to avoid that.

 

[hallett21]

I can’t remember what video it was but the CEO says that the submarine community said carbon fiber and titanium couldn’t be done.

Anyone know why? My guess is because carbon fiber holds, until it doesn’t. Vs metals bending/flexing

 

[ChumpChange]

. . . 16 pages of this . . .

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It was just one sub!

 

[traquer]

Someone thinks now is a good time to be selling a homemade submarine https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/boa/d/san-antonio-homemade-submarine-project/7635638508.html

 

[cofooter]

I can’t remember what video it was but the CEO says that the submarine community said carbon fiber and titanium couldn’t be done.

Anyone know why? My guess is because carbon fiber holds, until it doesn’t. Vs metals bending/flexing

Dissimilar materials and different rates of expansion/contraction

 

[MPHSystems]

Damn dude that’s funny..but come on!

So would RIP mean Rest In Pieces in this instance??

Rest in partials

 

[MPHSystems]

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Why wouldn’t you epoxy a block to the hull and tap and screw that? That’s literally how I attach things to my boat because I don’t want to weaken the fiber-glass.

 

[MPHSystems]

This guy was on the same submersible 3 weeks ago and the dive was cancelled.

How does anyone sit through an entire video with him? I barely made it 4 minutes before I had to hit the ejection seat.

 

[traquer]

Why wouldn’t you epoxy a block to the hull and tap and screw that? That’s literally how I attach things to my boat because I don’t want to weaken the fiber-glass.

Pretty sure there was something similar going on. Throught the interior there's LED lights behind a mesh of some sort if you look closely (it looks like CF but it's not) plus they had to route the monitor wires somewhere. I would imagine the interior shell is glued in place just like the titanium end caps were.

I'd be more worried about all the lithium batteries under the floor and what if they cooked off

 

[RadMan]

Why wouldn’t you epoxy a block to the hull and tap and screw that? That’s literally how I attach things to my boat because I don’t want to weaken the fiber-glass.

Because Stockton Rush proudly explained this endeavor would avoid using 50 year old white guys, you know, the smart fuckers with all the experience. So they didn’t know any better, that’s why.

To add, had he used the “50-year old white guys” I speculate they would have gotten in his way with all their testing, research and development wants in the name of safety. The first dive would probably still be behind his schedule.

 

[rivermobster]

James Cameron and Bob Ballard tell it about as well as it can be said. Believe I mentioned previously, I’ve known Bob since I was 7 yrs old. He and my older brother were good friends and remain so.

I believe a complete investigation will be made to determine the cause of this tragedy. For now, there are numerous suppositions. As far as carrying passengers, the USCG used to make separate designations for ‘carrying passengers for hire’ and ‘persons other than crew’. Believe that remains so today and there are different requirements for each. Some of the victims clearly appear to have been paying passengers. Jurisdiction and rules applicable to an operation in International Waters is a separate issue.

I would imagine a "complete investigation" would cost Many Million dollars dollars.

Who the fuck foots that bill??

 

[stephenkatsea]

This guy was on the same submersible 3 weeks ago and the dive was cancelled.

I finally just watched this video. Very sad and troubling on many levels. Beginning with the terrible condition of the surface support vessel.

 

[stephenkatsea]

This video is an interesting contrast to the prior, 'Titanic Sub Tourism Expedition" video, shot weeks prior to the disaster. This video is lengthy, but just a few minutes in, the differences are blatant. Yet, in some cases Titan and Alvin had the same objective. It's almost like comparing the infamous 'Lawn Chair Pilot" to the International Space Station.

 

[rrrr]

I can’t remember what video it was but the CEO says that the submarine community said carbon fiber and titanium couldn’t be done.

Anyone know why? My guess is because carbon fiber holds, until it doesn’t. Vs metals bending/flexing

An earlier post I made:

The titanium rings at the end of the carbon fiber pressure vessel that accepted the door seal and rear bulkhead were manually glued in place with epoxy. That made three different coefficients of contraction exposed to over 5,500 PSI.

Conservatively estimating the size of the ring and its surface exposure to the ocean, that equals over 15 million pounds of pressure on the ring at each end of the cylinder. OceanGate's head engineer is quoted as saying there are over 150 million pounds of pressure on the entire vehicle at depth.

Cyclic fatique combined with those different rates of contraction under pressure, in my amateur opinion, could have easily debonded the rings and caused the implosion.

This video exposes the craziness of the idea this would work.

 

[2Driver]

I guess Lego needs to update their kit.
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An exact replica. Comes complete with not enough life boats

Ironically about what 2 3rd class tickets would have cost.

 

[rrrr]

Not finding the video mentioning the Titan sub passengers were finance partners. Reportedly, the father and son, and the Brit paid $250k each. That’s a chunk. The other 2 were Rush, the CEO and founder of OceanGate (pilot of Titan) and “P.H.” Nargeolet, a very experienced deep submergence explorer/expert from France. It’s seems surprising PH opted to be involved with Titan. Not sure how the financing of OceanGate was conducted. Did see where OceanGate had received some PPP money. That’s an overall subject which still pisses me off. And I know some people who received it - all were ‘forgiven’ amounts, some well into the millions.

According to Ballard, the Titan was the only human occupied deep submergence vehicle, in existence, not certified by a classification body- ABS, BV, DNV, NK etc. That would have been a large step in the right direction. But, apparently OceanGate opted to avoid that.

From an earlier post I made:

OceanGate has been accused of exploiting a loophole in passenger safety regulations, with the company referring to its customers as “mission specialists” and “crew members” who help with operating equipment on the submersible.

The firm also describes the $250,000 (£200,000) payment for the Titanic trip as “training and mission support fees” which “underwrite the mission”

Titan implosion: What went wrong with doomed sub

Submersible’s composition of carbon and and titanium was a ‘maverick’ feat of engineering

www.telegraph.co.uk

.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

 

[Mini Kat]

I just want to know if any of those people on that sub had any dirt on the Clinton's.

 

[stephenkatsea]

From an earlier post I made:

OceanGate has been accused of exploiting a loophole in passenger safety regulations, with the company referring to its customers as “mission specialists” and “crew members” who help with operating equipment on the submersible.

The firm also describes the $250,000 (£200,000) payment for the Titanic trip as “training and mission support fees” which “underwrite the mission”

Titan implosion: What went wrong with doomed sub

Submersible’s composition of carbon and and titanium was a ‘maverick’ feat of engineering

www.telegraph.co.uk

.

Encountered a Paywall in the article

 

[rrrr]

Encountered a Paywall in the article

@CarolynandBob posted the entire text for those that see paywalls:

Titanic Tour Submarine Missing.

This guy was on the same submersible 3 weeks ago and the dive was cancelled.

www.riverdavesplace.com

 

[rmarion]

this can't be correct..

 

[TimeBandit]

The fuckery used to Mickey Mouse this thing together just keeps getting better:

MSN

 

[Rajobigguy]

Someone thinks now is a good time to be selling a homemade submarine https://sanantonio.craigslist.org/boa/d/san-antonio-homemade-submarine-project/7635638508.html

Wrap that thing in carbon fiber and you’ll really have something

 

[hallett21]

An earlier post I made:

The titanium rings at the end of the carbon fiber pressure vessel that accepted the door seal and rear bulkhead were manually glued in place with epoxy. That made three different coefficients of contraction exposed to over 5,500 PSI.

Conservatively estimating the size of the ring and its surface exposure to the ocean, that equals over 15 million pounds of pressure on the ring at each end of the cylinder. OceanGate's head engineer is quoted as saying there are over 150 million pounds of pressure on the entire vehicle at depth.

Cyclic fatique combined with those different rates of contraction under pressure, in my amateur opinion, could have easily debonded the rings and caused the implosion.

This video exposes the craziness of the idea this would work.

I can’t believe it was really glued (epoxied) together.

 

[Wicky]

Irrelevant fact of the day. Submarine ride at Disneyland was one of the first rides requiring an E ticket.

 

[Rajobigguy]

I can’t believe it was really glued (epoxied) together.

Well since they didn’t have any 50 yr old white guys that know how to weld……………….

 

[Wicky]

Bill Paxton would have been able to save them

Ironically, Bill Paxton was on James Cameron's short list to find refuge in his sub- terranian bomb shelter, hundreds of feet below L.A.

 

[Outdrive1]

He glued the ends on. What could go wrong……..

 

[hallett21]

He glued the ends on. What could go wrong……..

I think I’d prefer to be in a copper tube that was sweated on both ends.

 

[Outdrive1]

I think I’d prefer to be in a copper tube that was sweated on both ends.

Or titanium welded on both ends

 

[hallett21]

Has it be explained why he built the sub this way? I can’t imagine he saved all that much money not going titanium or steel all the way around. That CF had to cost a pretty penny