Titanic Tour Submarine Missing.

[BajaT]

For the Titanic researcher, and maybe even the Ocean's Gate guy, it may not be the worst way to go out. The well off tourist types may not have had the same connection as someone who's life was really intertwined with the subject of the expedition.

Regardless, I think I admire going out doing something cool, than have some illness or old age take me. I find it odd that some find humor in it. If a motorsports competitor dies, everyone here feels bad for them. What's the difference, aside from one's knowledge or interest? The only way to stay "safe", is to stay locked away from the outside world. That's really no life to live.

Except, it's reported the 19 year old was basically terrified, but only went because "Titanic obsessed dad" wanted him to come along......

 

[rrrr]

Watched a documentary recently about a Soviet nuclear sub that had a catastrophic failure and sank pretty deep in the North Pacific in the early 60's.

The US had these microphones placed around the Pacific and were able to triangulate exactly where the sub blew up underwater by the noise it made, and located it on the ocean floor before the Russians could figure out what happened.

The CIA repurposed a drilling ship and built a keel that opened from the bottom, built a claw contraption that would lower from the bottom of the ship, land on top of the section of submarine that they wanted to raise, then used hydraulic arms to grab the section like one of those coin op claw machines that grab stuffed animals in the glass box at arcades.

The idea was that they would set the ship over the wreck, lower the claw and grab the sub to bring back to the surface. They would then bring it up inside the ship and do what they wanted with it, without any one from the outside knowing what was going on.

They were actually able to grab a 50 some foot long section of submarine that contained nuclear ordinance and started raising it. They got it about half way up when the thing shifted, the majority of the section broke apart and fell through the claw contraption. They were still able to bring a section up through the bottom of the ship to inspect it.

The Russians were also looking for the sub, but could never locate it. They saw the drilling ship and hung around it for a few days harassing it, then eventually left and the CIA got to work.

Pretty interesting story from a bunch of old civilian engineers who built the ship. They show photos of the claw contraption being built in San Diego, then building a floating hangar over it and towing it out to Catalina where they loaded it up on the drilling rig ship and headed out to the wreck.

Great post.

That was a huge secret project. The Hughes Glomar Explorer, the ship built to snatch the sub, had a huge "moon pool" in its center, and the grappling frame was suspended by winches above it. It was actually purpose built for the mission.

The decoy story was the ship was built to mine seafloor manganese nodules IIRC. That didn't fool the Soviets, they had a ship within spying distance during the operation.

 

[lbhsbz]

So a legitimate question is what happened to those souls who went down in 1912. Obviously sea life has gotten to them. But their bodies must have been crushed once they hit the bottom?

Lungs maybe, but the body is mostly water…water can’t crush water

 

[HALLETT BOY]

You would think there would be a panel somewhere that you would remove and manually turn a valve to fill a buoyancy chamber and rise to the surface .There has to be some kind of emergency procedures .

 

[SeanRitchie]

That's cool do you remember what it was called?

Negative. I can remember the whole damn story, but not the name of the doc. Go figure.

Edit: It's on Amazon Prime

 

[monkeyswrench]

More geekery from me. I don't know why I know this stuff when I can't remember why I entered into a room. Maybe it's because I grew up during the Cold War.

The US Navy began deployment of a wide area underwater listening system to detect Soviet submarines in the 1950s. By 1960 it covered most of the North Atlantic, and by 1970 extended around the world.

It's almost certain the system's present capabilities would have easily detected the implosion.

SOSUS - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I'd like to think the Navy contacted the Coast Guard when this search was started. Not to tip their hand as to their abilities, but with their network of sensors, I'd bet they could triangulate the location and depth, and narrow the search grid substantially.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Except, it's reported the 19 year old was basically terrified, but only went because "Titanic obsessed dad" wanted him to come along......

Thus, the "well off tourists"...not the best way for everyone to go. Honestly, at 19 my parents couldn't make me do anything...but they also never would have asked me to do anything that dangerous either

 

[beerrun]

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You would think there would be a panel somewhere that you would remove and manually turn a valve to fill a buoyancy chamber and rise to the surface .There has to be some kind of emergency procedures .

Would never have been a option if it imploded

 

[Sandlord]

 

[BabyRay]

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Not everything is a conspiracy.

 

[4Waters]

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Beat me to it

 

[Crazyhippy]

What's up with all these memes? I guess I don't see the funny in them..

RIP to all those aboard.

You ever watch the Jackass movies? Johnny Knoxville? People getting hurt, and it is a nationwide comedy movie/TV show...

Same thing here. People willingly signed up (and paid a stupid amount of $$$) to take this risk. They signed up for a ride on an experimental sub. Not a single one of them was forced to be there.

How much sympathy do you have for someone who loses at Russian Roulette?

 

[Taboma]

The DSV named "Limiting Factor" is the $ 37 million dollar current DSV star performer.

DSV Limiting Factor - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This list of DSV's going back to the originally Trieste is very interesting and I wasn't aware there were so many successors.

Deep-submergence vehicle - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[stephenkatsea]

Decomposition of bones on the bottom of the ocean varies. It’s all about the chemistry of the water. Water temps beyond a certain depth are pretty consistent. In some areas of the world’s oceans they’ve lasted very long times. We’re talking bones of prehistoric sea creatures. Bones of whales are fairly common.

 

[Ducksquasher]

What's up with all these memes? I guess I don't see the funny in them..

RIP to all those aboard.

Agreed

 

[outboard_256]

The gaming controller didn't cause the sub to implode, and it's really not an indication of poor engineering.

Functionally identical WiFi and Bluetooth controllers are used to dock multimillion dollar yachts, operate cranes, and perform dozens of other uses.

Products - Dual Band, Dual Band Plus & Fusion Plus Dual Band - Yacht Controller®

www.yachtcontroller.com

If I stepped on a multi million dollar yacht and that is THE ONLY THING the captain had to pilot the whole boat I would walk off. That would be a big nope from me. And even if he said, don't worry, we keep 2 or 3 spare remotes incase the batteries run out. Safety first.

 

[Boatles]

James Cameron weighs in on the "sub" and how it's similar to the actual Titanic...

“Titanic” director James Cameron compared the OceanGate submersible implosion to the original Titanic disaster in an interview Thursday. Cameron, 68, noted the hubris involved in both cases.

“I’m struck by the similarity of the Titanic disaster itself, where the captain was repeatedly warned about ice ahead of his ship, and yet he steamed at full speed into an ice field on a moonless night and many people died as a result,” he told ABC News. “It’s a very similar tragedy where warnings went unheeded.”

Cameron himself has explored the Titanic wreckage an estimated 33 times, and his 1997 Oscar-winning film thrust the shipwreck back into the public limelight.

When not making box office behemoths, Cameron also enjoys deep sea exploration. He visited the ocean’s deepest point, the Mariana Trench, in 2012.

“Many people in the community were very concerned about [the OceanGate] sub,” Cameron told ABC News. “A number of the top players in the deep submergence engineering community even wrote letters to the company, saying that what they were doing was too experimental to carry passengers and that it needed to be certified.”

The OceanGate submersible in question, the Titan, was also reportedly the subject of a 2018 lawsuit. The company’s marine operations director at the time, David Lochridge, claimed the company fired him after he pointed out safety issues with the vehicle.

“The viewport at the forward of the submersible was only built to a certified pressure of 1,300 meters, although OceanGate intended to take passengers down to depths of 4,000 meters,” Lochridge’s complaint read.

The Titanic wreck lies at a depth of about 3,800 meters below sea level. Authorities believe the Titan submersible implosion was caused by the crushing external pressure of the deep ocean.

On Thursday, the Wall Street Journal reported that a secret Navy oceanic sound detection system recorded the Titan implosion shortly after it lost contact about an hour and 45 minutes after it dipped beneath the waters of the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[HNL2LHC]

 

[calkid]

Forever

Only the Crocs

 

[500bbc]

That's cool do you remember what it was called?

Glomar Explorer

 

[Shlbyntro]

Contra. Infinite lives

nope, it was BA[SELECT][START]

 

[4Waters]

 

[Done-it-again]

You ever watch the Jackass movies? Johnny Knoxville? People getting hurt, and it is a nationwide comedy movie/TV show...

Same thing here. People willingly signed up (and paid a stupid amount of $$$) to take this risk. They signed up for a ride on an experimental sub. Not a single one of them was forced to be there.

How much sympathy do you have for someone who loses at Russian Roulette?

I don’t see what they did is any different than other adrenaline junkies. Do you have the same thought about the people who passed on Lickity split when it crashed.

If you want to play grab ass with a bull on jackass and you get the horns, I don’t feel the same way.

 

[wallnutz]

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That’s a deal. I’m offering channel rides.

 

[coolchange]

More geekery from me. I don't know why I know this stuff when I can't remember why I entered into a room. Maybe it's because I grew up during the Cold War.

The US Navy began deployment of a wide area underwater listening system to detect Soviet submarines in the 1950s. By 1960 it covered most of the North Atlantic, and by 1970 extended around the world.

It's almost certain the system's present capabilities would have easily detected the implosion.

SOSUS - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I did some diving in a giant water tank full of hydrophones bitd.
Let’s just say if a seal farted in the Pacific they could tell you where it was and probably if it was male or female.

 

[pronstar]

Apparently a lot of folks had warned the CEO and shared their concerns…

‘Titanic’ Director And Diving Expert James Cameron Explains Why The Titan Sub Imploded Underwater


https://www.dailywire.com/news/tita...xplains-why-the-titan-sub-imploded-underwater

 

[RVR SWPR]

I don’t see what they did is any different than other adrenaline junkies. Do you have the same thought about the people who passed on Lickity split when it crashed.

If you want to play grab ass with a bull on jackass and you get the horns, I don’t feel the same way.

Understand RDP is a forum of opinions. Do not believe for a minute everyone agrees with the insensitive fucked up memes. The members that consider the memes fucked up no longer bother to post opinions.

 

[hallett21]

I don’t see what they did is any different than other adrenaline junkies. Do you have the same thought about the people who passed on Lickity split when it crashed.

If you want to play grab ass with a bull on jackass and you get the horns, I don’t feel the same way.

I’d say the difference is that their DCB was built and capable of handling high speeds etc.

This sub compared to others that can make these depths was dangerous at best.

I don’t fault the passengers (I think they should have known better) but the ceo knew the issues and ignored them.

 

[jet496]

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Yup, few months ago it was "look up in the sky at the balloon, nothing to see down here" why Hillary had some kind of hearing. It works.

 

[Mototrig]

nope, it was BA[SELECT][START]

I really wanted to say something but I didn't

 

[Boat 405]

That thing

They’re assuming hull failure and that the crush was instantaneous.

That thing imploded in about 1 millisecond. It takes the brain about 25 milliseconds to receive and acknowledge most information.

 

[Boat 405]

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No surprise at all. I was wondering the same. What is in the news stream that they don't want us to hear...

 

[PlanB]

I guess the "captain" of this submersible was married to a descendant of a person that died on the Titanic. Kind of weird.

 

[rrrr]

I've read the debris field contained the apparently undamaged hemispheric dome door and similar rear pressure bulkhead. That pretty much confirms the carbon fiber cylinder or its joints with the door and bulkhead failed. The rest of the scene was described as scattered small detritus.

 

[Crazyhippy]

I don’t see what they did is any different than other adrenaline junkies. Do you have the same thought about the people who passed on Lickity split when it crashed.

If you want to play grab ass with a bull on jackass and you get the horns, I don’t feel the same way.

For the person driving lickity split... Absolutely! I do feel sorry for the passengers, they didn't sign a waiver indicating the driver was going to try and race...

 

[rrrr]

If I stepped on a multi million dollar yacht and that is THE ONLY THING the captain had to pilot the whole boat I would walk off. That would be a big nope from me. And even if he said, don't worry, we keep 2 or 3 spare remotes incase the batteries run out. Safety first.

I think it's pretty obvious it wouldn't be the only method controlling a large yacht. I've only seen them used for docking, the captain standing near the stern. It makes more sense than having someone excitedly yell instructions to someone at the helm fifty feet away.

And as I said above, wireless proportional rate controllers are in use across many industries. Maybe they're built better than Chinese ear buds.

 

[stephenkatsea]

The news media is reporting about this ‘secret’ USN listening system. Since it’s on Wikipedia, I have to question its secrecy. Our major news media sucks! From both sides.

 

[River Dirt 2]

Wonder if they were told this before the trip?



Catastrophic Implosion of a submersible explained:

When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that’s 2,200 feet per second.

The time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond.

A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds.

The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors.

When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine.

The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye.

Info Source: Dave Corley, former Nuke sub officer

 

[Done-it-again]

I’d say the difference is that their DCB was built and capable of handling high speeds etc.

This sub compared to others that can make these depths was dangerous at best.

I don’t fault the passengers (I think they should have known better) but the ceo knew the issues and ignored them.

You also can say the boat wasn’t built due to the outcome.

And yes diving down 2.5 miles with 5,000 psi is a different animal. But this sub has done the trip more than 2x. Does that make it safe? Not really but this wasn’t a test dive.

I feel if this was your thing and you done your diligence and made your decision to go, then good for you. Who am I to judge!

Did the CEO really know? Seems like he thought it was still safe as he went as well. It wasn’t like he sent others and he stayed behind. Did he commit suicide then?

If the questions comes up if I would have gone? I don’t think I would after watching that news special years back with the reporter. Apparently he had the same feelings but still went.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I've read the debris field contained the apparently undamaged hemispheric dome door and similar rear pressure bulkhead. That pretty much confirms the carbon fiber cylinder or its joints with the door and bulkhead failed. The rest of the scene was described as scattered small detritus.

Wouldn't a sphere, even one larger diameter than the hemispherical cap, be a stronger design than a tube? I'm not an engineer, but it seems that the "fuselage" would be under immense pressure, and trying to pop the ends off. A sphere would get equal force from all directions, keeping the structure equally loaded.

 

[4Waters]

Wonder if they were told this before the trip?



Catastrophic Implosion of a submersible explained:

When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that’s 2,200 feet per second.

The time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond.

A human brain responds instinctually to stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response (sense→reason→act) is at best 150 milliseconds.

The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors.

When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine.

The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion. Large blobs of fat (that would be humans) incinerate and are turned to ash and dust quicker than you can blink your eye.

Info Source: Dave Corley, former Nuke sub officer

I posted that a couple days ago, it's crazy how fast it happens

 

[was thatguy]

I

Watched a documentary recently about a Soviet nuclear sub that had a catastrophic failure and sank pretty deep in the North Pacific in the early 60's.

The US had these microphones placed around the Pacific and were able to triangulate exactly where the sub blew up underwater by the noise it made, and located it on the ocean floor before the Russians could figure out what happened.

The CIA repurposed a drilling ship and built a keel that opened from the bottom, built a claw contraption that would lower from the bottom of the ship, land on top of the section of submarine that they wanted to raise, then used hydraulic arms to grab the section like one of those coin op claw machines that grab stuffed animals in the glass box at arcades.

The idea was that they would set the ship over the wreck, lower the claw and grab the sub to bring back to the surface. They would then bring it up inside the ship and do what they wanted with it, without any one from the outside knowing what was going on.

They were actually able to grab a 50 some foot long section of submarine that contained nuclear ordinance and started raising it. They got it about half way up when the thing shifted, the majority of the section broke apart and fell through the claw contraption. They were still able to bring a section up through the bottom of the ship to inspect it.

The Russians were also looking for the sub, but could never locate it. They saw the drilling ship and hung around it for a few days harassing it, then eventually left and the CIA got to work.

Pretty interesting story from a bunch of old civilian engineers who built the ship. They show photos of the claw contraption being built in San Diego, then building a floating hangar over it and towing it out to Catalina where they loaded it up on the drilling rig ship and headed out to the wreck.

I saw that same documentary.
It was north west of either Hawaii or Midway?
That was some bad ass engineering.

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Obviously, the fact that they all died so quickly and painlessly is a much better outcome than them being down there taking their last breaths waiting to die thinking about their own mortality. I think eventually the families with find comfort knowing that their loved ones didn't suffer. I believe that the operator truly felt he had something special, something no one has done before, like he figured it all out and his attitude really showed that. I'm totally impressed by the rescue efforts involved, they totally knocked it out of the park considering the conditions of this event. Hopefully one day we'll find out exactly what happened and learn from it.

 

[HCP3]

Wouldn't a sphere, even one larger diameter than the hemispherical cap, be a stronger design than a tube? I'm not an engineer, but it seems that the "fuselage" would be under immense pressure, and trying to pop the ends off. A sphere would get equal force from all directions, keeping the structure equally loaded.

Yes. Both of the deepest diving subs housed the pilots in spheres.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepsea_Challenger

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trieste_(bathyscaphe)

 

[rrrr]

Wouldn't a sphere, even one larger diameter than the hemispherical cap, be a stronger design than a tube? I'm not an engineer, but it seems that the "fuselage" would be under immense pressure, and trying to pop the ends off. A sphere would get equal force from all directions, keeping the structure equally loaded.

Of course. Heck, the first submersible ever built, the Turtle, was a semisphere.

I was pretty sure from the beginning that the pressure hull had failed. Those titanium bulkheads will be on the ocean floor forever, the carbon fiber has probably been reduced to tiny shards.

The Turtle:

 

[DUN]

Admittedly I am not super in the loop with the ((current human interest story)). However, I like to think these rich fucks spent $250k to fake their deaths. They lost signal and then didn't send an SOS for several hours, right? Also what if the CEO is meme-ing with the shitty knock-off Xbox controller and diversity hire rocket squad. They're faking their deaths, right? Gotta make this vessel as shitty looking as possible.. Then 3 or 4 test missions to make sure they can legit fake their death vs dying. Also, the shards of carbon fiber or whatever, that the USCG or whoever, are conveniently finding now an hour after they run out of oxygen are part of the bit. Shit is hilarious and I would demand nothing less from the clown world we have conceived. Titanic consuming lives 110 years later. Lmao

 

[Done-it-again]

Wouldn't a sphere, even one larger diameter than the hemispherical cap, be a stronger design than a tube? I'm not an engineer, but it seems that the "fuselage" would be under immense pressure, and trying to pop the ends off. A sphere would get equal force from all directions, keeping the structure equally loaded.

Still need a way to get in. Harder to have a door on something round and seal.

Guess you can have 2 sides like an Easter egg and attach them together. Then it ends up similar to the one that just imploded.

 

[Roosky01]

I

I saw that same documentary.
It was north west of either Hawaii or Midway?
That was some bad ass engineering.

The amount of money spent by the CIA on that escapade to extract a very small portion of that sub 20 years later was about the biggest boondoggle of federal spending ever. At least Hughes made some bank on the whole ordeal though...

 

[SoCalDave]

Admittedly I am not super in the loop with the ((current human interest story)). However, I like to think these rich fucks spent $250k to fake their deaths. They lost signal and then didn't send an SOS for several hours, right? Also what if the CEO is meme-ing with the shitty knock-off Xbox controller and diversity-hire rocket squad. They're faking their deaths, right? Gotta make this vessel as shitty looking as possible.. Then 3 or 4 test missions to make sure they can legit fake their death vs dying. Also, the shards of carbon fiber or whatever, that the USCG or whoever, are conveniently finding now an hour after they run out of oxygen are part of the bit. Shit is hilarious and I would demand nothing less from the clown world we have conceived. Titanic consuming lives 110 years later. Lmao

 

[white tortilla]

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