Power Grid

[havasujeeper]

It helps me realize that living off the grid is the only way to survive this BS.

 

[Danger Dave]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1565026009497227264

 

[TCHB]

I have seen a few studies on E Car charging. The majority of people keep them 80 to 100% charged. Gasoline cars fill up below 25% fuel in the tank.

 

[SoCalDave]

Yeah early reports from Newscume stated that EV only consume 1% of the power structure when charging...bunch of smoke up everyone's ass. Now back peddling telling everyone don't plug in your EV between 4-9pm. Hope this puts a stake in his presidential hopes of getting into the WH.

 

[TCHB]

Just went over peak. Now the generation will start lowering load and certain units will shut down and restart in the early hours. http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/default.aspx

 

[timstoy]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1565026009497227264

The hipocrite’s of this once great state starts at the top! Not enough electricity, water, and housing yet our borders are wide open and we pay for everything for these illegal aliens.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have seen a few studies on E Car charging. The majority of people keep them 80 to 100% charged. Gasoline cars fill up below 25% fuel in the tank.

That is today because most people use them as around town runabouts. When the electric cars is forced down the throats of the consumer and/or becomes affordable, commuters that have an hour+ commute to and from their job, will be needing more of a charge, and their demand will change drastically.

 

[Xring01]

The final months of my career were spent scoping and proof of concept for retiring home grown legacy outage management, circuit switching and other distribution systems. 5 year project to implement new vendor platforms for OMS/DERMs etc… The largest problem was that smart meters and smart inverters were owned by customer service not operations. Inside turf wars over who owned the data and who gets to drive the innovation. That was my cue to leave having fought that battle with upgrades to finance systems vs customer systems etc.. over 20 years.

The biggest problem in the DERMS world today. Every manufacture of a “smart device” wants API fees for every connection a Utility makes to that device.

So when you add up all fees of all the API integrations at 1 home, Those costs are more expensive, than the potential solutions/savings to the Utilty trying to connect to those assets.

Especially if you try to integrate with Tesla or Google Nest. Its getting more and more difficult by they day.

So how do you truly get a smart grid, when you have to pay off all the manufacturers of the “smart devices”, in order to integrate with them.

This will require some very robust regulations, that limits the API integration fees, but I dont trust any regulatory body to write that regulation. They would probably screw it up, just like they did with de regulation.

 

[TCHB]

That is today because most people use them as around town runabouts. When the electric cars is forced down the throats of the consumer and/or becomes affordable, commuters that have an hour+ commute to and from their job, will be needing more of a charge, and their demand will change drastically.

Toyota brought by a car by that could look at the price of electricity and recharge during that time during off peak hours.It could also power the house for some time if needed. I am sure things will change more than I ever thought.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Toyota brought by a car by that could look at the price of electricity and recharge during that time during off peak hours.It could also power the house for some time if needed. I am sure things will change more than I ever thought.

I believe the new Lightning can do that as well

 

[wash11]

This is a fascinating thread. Still amazed at how much I learn from a boating website.

 

[TCHB]

I believe the new Lightning can do that as wel

Looks like today will be the Peak Demand before the weekend. http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/default.aspx

 

[CoolCruzin]

I’m not cutting back on usage.
House feels nice and the grass is watered .

 

[DRYHEAT]

Why should a rate payer in a moderately temperate region of the service territory subsidize the person who chooses to live in the hottest part of the service territory? Why should a rate payer in a low fire risk area with better fire services subsidize the person who live is a rural fire prone part of the territory. Flex alert is basically demand based pricing like Uber. Building full peak supply side infrastructure to give electric welfare to people who choose hard to service locations isn’t a supply and demand model…

Just being the devils advocate here. Monopoly electric utilities are socialist entities from day one, so you can’t just throw in a competition model based on supply and demand at your leisure.

I sure like those people who live in moderate climates, hopefully their power gets shut off first so I can have my air conditioning.

 

[TCHB]

SCE has 17 different rate zones in California which is wrong. The people living in moderate temperature zones do pay a higher rate from the same kilowatts used. This Is not right.

 

[mesquito_creek]

SCE has 17 different rate zones in California which is wrong. The people living in moderate temperature zones do pay a higher rate from the same kilowatts used. This Is not right.

I made the reference to be sensational not realistic. It’s too simple of an analogy. Maybe the hotter zones bears the brunt of ugly transmission lines or generation pollution etc…

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

SCE has 17 different rate zones in California which is wrong. The people living in moderate temperature zones do pay a higher rate from the same kilowatts used. This Is not right.

In a drought I paid more for using less water.

 

[TCHB]

I made the reference to be sensational not realistic. It’s too simple of an analogy. Maybe the hotter zones bears the brunt of ugly transmission lines or generation pollution et

In a drought I paid more for using less water.

The inland cities pay less per KWh used than coastal cities. This is done by higher base allotments for inland cities. I hope someday it goes away like other states.

 

[TCHB]

Here is the map ti determine your base allotment. https://edisonintl.sharepoint.com/t...riff Books/Electric/Baseline Maps&p=true&ga=1

 

[Member: 71]

I’m not cutting back on usage.
House feels nice and the grass is watered .

Add me to the list.

I'm doing the opposite of what the government is telling what to do.

 

[DarkJuJu]

If power was as big of an issue as Ca made C19 out to be why aren't all the malls, restaurants, and stores closed, Disneyland, etc.? you need 2 weeks to flatten the power curve, but lets not stop that tax revenue.

 

[TCHB]

Normal hot summer day. Demand picks up the longer the heat wave. Holiday weekend watch the demand peal off http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/default.aspx

 

[Danger Dave]

California EV drivers mock warning not to charge up during heatwave

The state's top energy regulator has warned Californians to avoid charging their EVs between peak hours of 4pm to 9pm and crank their thermostats up to 78F in a bid to avoid blackouts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[TCHB]

Grid holding its own. Not even close yet to the all time peak. http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/default.aspx

 

[badgas]

Not bad today

" it's more tingly than hot "

 

[BingerFang]

New TikTok challenge: everyone in CA is turning their AC’s to 65 for the next 7 days.

 

[TCHB]

You Bill would go up!

New TikTok challenge: everyone in CA is turning their AC’s to 65 for the next 7 days.

If the grid did fail SCE would ask for a emergency rate case and spend billions. Yes you would pay for it the next 30 years.

 

[socal0487]

In a drought I paid more for using less water.

If your water company is doing like mine, they proposed a 17% pay increase next year. Need to keep revenues the same with less usage

 

[Taboma]

If your water company is doing like mine, they proposed a 17% pay increase next year. Need to keep revenues the same with less usage

I'm sure like with the majority of us, that's frustrating, I'm also confident you know why.

 

[TCHB]

Looks like a about 5 more high demand days. still nor even close to the peak set in 2006. http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/default.aspx

 

[DRYHEAT]

California EV drivers mock warning not to charge up during heatwave

The state's top energy regulator has warned Californians to avoid charging their EVs between peak hours of 4pm to 9pm and crank their thermostats up to 78F in a bid to avoid blackouts.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Governor Newsom

 

[TCHB]

My sister is in the flex program but never actually flexed for one hour. I am not sure how many people and companies signed up for the discount rates with the flex programs.

 

[TCHB]

Stepping up the demand for Tuesday. http://www.caiso.com/todaysoutlook/pages/default.aspx

 

[Xring01]

 

[SoCalDave]

Got the automated call from SCE about 30 min ago requestig to shed our load at work and no one is there...grid must be loaded this evening. We are scheduled to restart production at 6am tomorrow morning consuming 1.2mw of juice for the week.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tons of power left! What’s the problem?

 

[Xring01]

 

[Xring01]

Tons of power left!

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Yeah, tell that to all the people who dont have power right now. Nor Cal is having all kinds of problems, my son in Chico has been off/on/off/on/off/on all freaking day It was 114 degrees at his house.

Please explainthe “CAISO EMERGENCY DEFIENCY”….

Also have realitives in Pleasanton, San Jose, and many other places with issues.

Remember the grid is not just the transmission grid. The grid also includes the Distribution Grid.
Shit is starting to fail, tomorrow is going to warmer is alot of areas.

You graph above clearly outlines 10% ish margin… To me, thats un acceptable.
Look at what the margins used to be in the past.
If there is all this power available, then why do so many people have outages.

As I have stated many times, I do not blame the west coast utilitys, I blame the policitians who are dictating the policys that are creating these problems.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeah, tell that to all the people who dont have power right now. Nor Cal is having all kinds of problems, my son in Chico has been off/on/off/on/off/on all freaking day It was 114 degrees at his house.

Also have realitives in Pleasanton, San Jose, and many other places with issues.

Remember the grid is not just the transmission grid. The grid also includes the Distribution Grid.
Shit is starting to fail, tomorrow is going to warmer is alot of areas.

You graph above clearly outlines 10% ish margin… To me, thats un acceptable.
Look at what the margins used to be in the past.
If there is all this power available, then why do so many people have outages.

As I have stated many times, I do not blame the west coast utilitys, I blame the policitians who are dictating the policys that are creating these problems.

I agree with you. These power companies are put in the regulatory box they have been drawn.

These graphs, even if they are accurate are meaningless if the grid cannot provide reliable transmission and coverage.. which we see in the summer months it cannot.

 

[Xring01]

Got the automated call from SCE about 30 min ago requestig to shed our load at work and no one is there...grid must be loaded this evening. We are scheduled to restart production at 6am tomorrow morning consuming 1.2mw of juice for the week.

When the sun goes down, is the hardest thing to account for, when you have alot of Wind/Solar feeding the grid.
Why… well PV Solar is pretty worthless, when the sun goes down.
In addition, the wind typically goes way down when the sun goes down.

So you have a ton of renewables that where feeding the grid, the lower the sun goes, the less energy they produce. All the way down to zero. While you are trying to ramp up the base load plants, which are typically Nat Gas, or your trying to import power from neighboring states via very long transmission lines.

Remember transmission lines also have there capacity limits. The hotter the ambient temperature is, the lower those limits are.

These are all the reasons why I feel, and post, the problems that I see in the way the grid. Because its putting rate payers in a bad position. In CA, the rate payers are getting screwed in my opinion. They pay a premium rate, for less reliability, these problems will get alot worse as load increases with EV Vehicles hitting the grid.

The current regulations on how to deal with that, basically make the electricity rates alot freaking higher, because the current policys dictate lots of Energy Storage Systems what are stupid expensive, and will drive the CA rates alot higher.

I guess the good news, it will keep me employed for a long time…

 

[TCHB]

Can we break the all time peak demand today

https://www.caiso.com/documents/californiaisopeakloadhistory.pdf

 

[TCHB]

Todays forecast.
let’s give a big hand to the all the people making our air conditioners work.

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[regor]

California Issues Level 2 "Real & Immediate" 'Blackout' Threat As Power Usage Soars Despite Warnings​

“We are heading into the worst part of this heat wave, and the risk for outages is real and it’s immediate,”

TUE SEP 6, AT 2:15 PM


Gavin said you guys suck...........................

Setting my AC down to 66 °F now, give em hell boys!!!!!

 

[hallett21]

I think we did it! Beat the record!

 

[c_land]

AC must be cranking in that government office to need a sweater on the hottest day of the year

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1567198723746443266

 

[4Waters]

Just go this

 

[hallett21]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Plenty of power in reserve today. Why would they be urging you to shut off your AC? Is my Tesla considered a really large appliance?

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

I couldn't help but give the owner of the gas station shit today when I walked in to pay for some gas. #1. Why do you have your electric car parked right in front charging? Are you trying to put yourself out of Business? #2. You are fucking up the power grid charging your car all damn day when we are supposed to be on a flex alert due to the heat!! Go unplug that thing! He just looked at me with a dipshit look on his face and murmured something in Arabic as I walked out.

 

[Cobalt232]

Thank you Palomar Solar.