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[hallett21]

News is reporting she WAS going to be fired, but left the meeting telling her staff she is not fired yet.
I bet she resigns once the fires are contained

What’s the reasoning for resigning vs being fired in a situation like this? Do you avoid legal backlash if you resign?

 

[shintoooo]

Are the winds blowing towards your house?

Surprisingly, we don’t have any winds at our house right now

 

[rmarion]

It's the exact same playbook as Maui.

Angler

I deleted post out of respect to all who were affected...

but I agree 1000% with ya

 

[Mr. C]

Surprisingly, we don’t have any winds at our house right now

I know I’m not super close. But if you need a hand. If it comes that give me a shout out.

 

[shintoooo]

I know I’m not super close. But if you need a hand. If it comes that give me a shout out.

Thank you

 

[Singleton]

What’s the reasoning for resigning vs being fired in a situation like this? Do you avoid legal backlash if you resign?

My gut says Bass had all intensions on firing her today.
MSM blow back would have been huge, and I think the chief would have turned around and sued the city.
Chief most likely said once these fires are contained, I will resign, take my parachute and walk away.

 

[rmarion]

 

[SoCalDave]

What’s the reasoning for resigning vs being fired in a situation like this? Do you avoid legal backlash if you resign?

If your fired your pretty much entitled to unemployment. If you quit no beno.

 

[angiebaby]

Bass would only consider firing Crowley to try to save her own ass. Why should Crowley be fired? This is HER fault? Lack of resources, water, and cleared brush? I wouldn't buy that. She says she has 68 less people than the district had in 2010. You may not like her, but maybe you can explain why she's at fault here.

The mayor is trying to use her as a scapegoat. I'd like to see her reasoning.

Personally, I will be surprised if I don't see mass protests outside of city hall and the mayor's residence calling for her resignation. Well, maybe I won't be surprised. CA keeps electing these idiots.

 

[hallett21]

I think they’re losing control of it. Evacs are being spread wide.

 

[4Waters]

If your fired your pretty much entitled to unemployment. If you quit no beno.

She will retire and pull her pension

 

[poncho]

Bass would only consider firing Crowley to try to save her own ass. Why should Crowley be fired? This is HER fault? Lack of resources, water, and cleared brush? I wouldn't buy that. You may not like her, but maybe you can explain why she's at fault here.

The mayor is trying to use her as a scapegoat. I'd like to see her reasoning.

Personally, I will be surprised if I don't see mass protests outside of city hall and the mayor's residence calling for her resignation. Well, maybe I won't be surprised. CA keeps electing these idiots.

Agree, low hanging fruit first and try to hang on, personally wouldn't want to be anywhere near city hall right now, got to be real toxic with everyone trying to cover their ass.

 

[SoCalDave]

Agree, low hanging fruit first and try to hang on, personally wouldn't want to be anywhere near city hall right now, got to be real toxic with everyone trying to cover their ass.

I'd like to be a fly on those walls...

 

[angiebaby]

I saw this interview earlier and thought it was interesting. I don't think it's been shared yet. If it has, I apologize. There are two videos on the page. I am not trying to celebrate this woman, I know nothing about her, but I think it's important to have as much info as possible and to hear first-person responses. I have a friend who is a retired arson investigator from LA City who says she worked with Crowley in the 90s. So she's been there for a long time. She didn't say anything else about her other than she worked with her years ago.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-fire-...re-prep-budget-cuts-screaming-properly-funded

 

[Looking Glass]

I'd like to be a fly on those walls...

Actually with the "Atmosphere" around City Hall, a "Fly" might not be safe.

 

[Mandelon]

They say leave your house unlocked when you evacuate, then the scooter gang of looters can roll right in. Put a national guardsman on every street corner up there. The incompetence is staggering. Fix a reservoir in fire season? It hasn't rained in eight months. Fuck me. So dumb. Just one stumble after another.

"Fire Away, No pun intended" -- Joe Biden 2025

 

[rmarion]

RTÉ News on Instagram: "65-year-old John Carr defied evacuation orders in Los Angeles to save the home passed down to him by his parents. The Pacific Palisades resident fought the fire that ripped through his neighbourhood in an attempt to save the

23K likes, 1,076 comments - rtenews on January 10, 2025: "65-year-old John Carr defied evacuation orders in Los Angeles to save the home passed down to him by his parents. The Pacific Palisades resident fought the fire that ripped through his neighbourhood in an attempt to save the lasting...

www.instagram.com

 

[Racer56]

Looks like the fire line at Mulholland is holding for now. The fire is moving east towards Mandeville canyon and the 405

 

[4Waters]

I'd like to be a fly on those walls...

There's enough shit everywhere you would have something to snack on

 

[1manshow]

 

[TPC]

ABC News rolls to disasters with makeup and wardrobe staff.

Liberal Fashion Fuckball Muir on the job looking dapper:

Note the cloths pin to take up the slack and look well tailored and sharp for the tragedy.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Liberal Fashion Fuckball Muir on the job looking dapper:

Note the cloths pin to take up the slack and look well tailored and sharp for the disaster

Lol, good eyes man!

I wouldn't have caught that (mainly because I can't stand looking at that clown)

 

[socal0487]

Bass would only consider firing Crowley to try to save her own ass. Why should Crowley be fired? This is HER fault? Lack of resources, water, and cleared brush? I wouldn't buy that. She says she has 68 less people than the district had in 2010. You may not like her, but maybe you can explain why she's at fault here.

The mayor is trying to use her as a scapegoat. I'd like to see her reasoning.

Personally, I will be surprised if I don't see mass protests outside of city hall and the mayor's residence calling for her resignation. Well, maybe I won't be surprised. CA keeps electing these idiots.

how about the over 100 Firefighters she fired for not taking the covid shot?

 

[angiebaby]

how about the over 100 Firefighters she fired for not taking the covid shot?

Fair enough. But that's not why she is potentially being fired.

 

[Singleton]

Fair enough. But that's not why she is potentially being fired.

Correct. She will resign vs being terminated for speaking out against the mayor.

It does not help her case, that she leaked the memo where the mayor proposed cutting an additional $49M from the FD budget in the next budget cycle. This is in addition to the cuts already forced on the FD.

The major needs to be recalled after this is over. I still can not figure out 1 business reason she was on a tax payers funded trip to Africa. A city major has zero business justification for a trip like that IMO.

 

[socal0487]

Fair enough. But that's not why she is potentially being fired.

She’s likely getting fired/resigning because she spoke up against the system when things are wrong. Exactly what a good chief should do. I doubt she wanted to fire the 100+ FFs who didn’t take the Covid shot but the higher ups pressured her to and she stayed quiet. I’m sure she lost a lot of respect with her employees and they’re not sad to see her go.

 

[poncho]

Liberal Fashion Fuckball Muir on the job looking dapper:

Note the cloths pin to take up the slack and look well tailored and sharp for the disaster

My Wife watched him every night for the last few years, I would always say turn that shit, guy is seriously biased, she couldn't see it for some reason?
She watched the debate and changed her mind.

 

[riverroyal]

Travels with clothes pins to a tragedy. Noted.
What a dick

 

[EarpRider]

I saw this interview earlier and thought it was interesting. I don't think it's been shared yet. If it has, I apologize. There are two videos on the page. I am not trying to celebrate this woman, I know nothing about her, but I think it's important to have as much info as possible and to hear first-person responses. I have a friend who is a retired arson investigator from LA City who says she worked with Crowley in the 90s. So she's been there for a long time. She didn't say anything else about her other than she worked with her years ago.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/la-fire-...re-prep-budget-cuts-screaming-properly-funded

I'm not sure that her saying that she does not know how the water gets to the fire hydrants was the smartest thing for the Fire Chief to say.

 

[lbhsbz]

I'm not sure that her saying that she does not know how the water gets to the fire hydrants was the smartest thing for the Fire Chief to say.

Maybe not the best choice of words, but in all fairness, it's not her job or her responsibility....that lies on the utility.

 

[HNL2LHC]

RTÉ News on Instagram: "65-year-old John Carr defied evacuation orders in Los Angeles to save the home passed down to him by his parents. The Pacific Palisades resident fought the fire that ripped through his neighbourhood in an attempt to save the

23K likes, 1,076 comments - rtenews on January 10, 2025: "65-year-old John Carr defied evacuation orders in Los Angeles to save the home passed down to him by his parents. The Pacific Palisades resident fought the fire that ripped through his neighbourhood in an attempt to save the lasting...

www.instagram.com

Makes me happy and sad at the same time. Going to send out the video to all my liberal family with the message below. The time is now and we need a full court press!!!!



This mindset is why this country was made great. Sadly the current views of the liberals has made us weak. There MUST be a great awakening now or ALL will be lost!!!! Pass this on to everyone even if you think they don’t agree. Open you eyes, pull your head out of the sand and do something!!!!

 

[4Waters]

I'm not sure that her saying that she does not know how the water gets to the fire hydrants was the smartest thing for the Fire Chief to say.

Through osmosis duh, we all know that

 

[500bbc]

ABC News rolls to disasters with makeup and wardrobe staff.

Liberal Fashion Fuckball Muir on the job looking dapper:

Note the cloths pin to take up the slack and look well tailored and sharp for the tragedy.

Zoolander...

 

[500bbc]

Maybe not the best choice of words, but in all fairness, it's not her job or her responsibility....that lies on the utility.

It's her job to know, not provide...

 

[Bobby V]

Travels with clothes pins to a tragedy. Noted.
What a dick

There saying the clothes pin was to hide his microphone wire.

 

[TPC]

Blowing pretty severe in this part of Simi.

 

[4Waters]

Blowing pretty severe in this part of Simi.

Blowing pretty good at home on the east side, we are at Royal HS and it's not near as bad but picking up for sure

 

[500bbc]

There saying the clothes pin was to hide his microphone wire.

Only if he was talking out of his ass...

 

[TPC]

Lol, good eyes man!

I wouldn't have caught that (mainly because I can't stand looking at that clown)

Not my obs, it's going viral on the legit news sites.

 

[Cole 392]

The pins were to make look tight fitting.. what a tool.

 

[rrrr]

Maybe not the best choice of words, but in all fairness, it's not her job or her responsibility....that lies on the utility.

I disagree. The head of LAFD should have had personnel that interfaced with DWP and informed her about all aspects of what effects inadequacies by DWP would have on firefighting capabilities in the event of a mass wildfire.

She's been employed by LAFD for 20 years, and she doesn't know anything about the PRIMARY source for defending the city from disaster?

But it's not all on her. Effective city and county government should have had interagency discussions about wildfires years ago and developed robust systems to prevent the very thing that's happening now.

Imagine if the governing bodies in Florida responded to hurricanes in this manner. They have their shit together. After Hurricane Andrew in 2002, the state of Florida enacted strict building codes for new construction that have greatly reduced losses in storms. Emergency management teams communicate statewide with their counterparts to prepare for hurricane season. They know it's likely a disaster may strike.

Why didn't LA and LA County do anything similar? The situation now is the culmination of years of ineptitude. Looking sad, shrugging their shoulders, and saying "climate change" is responsible is ridiculous.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Some thoughts for those of you who have either lost your home or have family members who have.

I have never lost my home, but I have neighbors who have, and my work experience makes me want to offer the following.

Be prepared for the long haul on this. Seriously.
The folks "next door" to us lost everything in the Paradise fire. Everything.
They are still in litigation with PGE and others. Still.
They did not rebuild. Many didn't. Too much pain.

Get yourself a digital voice recorder or a loose leaf binder if you prefer, and begin two sections.
One wher you record thoughts about the how and why, what you remember about leaving, what you saw, heard, the lack of fire fighters and water if applicable.
Your story, as it relates to what happened. Get it "on paper" .
Start preparing a list of your personal property. Keep the recorder r journal handy so when you remember some issue or item you can quickly commit it to your list.
If you are a couple, EACH of you should do this, when the time comes you can compare lists, then consolidate them.

Save all the documentation that covers expenses related to daily life now, rent, clothes, personal needs, transportation, medical,, etc.
This is gonna be a long haul. Years, so get your head around this now. It will help your focus.
The time to start getting this stuff together is now. Document any conversation you have with contractors, insurance agents, etc. Get names of people you talk to on the phone about claims processing, bids for work, offers, etc.

 

[lbhsbz]

I disagree. The head of LAFD should have had personnel that interfaced with DWP and informed her about all aspects of what effects inadequacies by DWP would have on firefighting capabilities in the event of a mass wildfire.

She's been employed by LAFD for 20 years, and she doesn't know anything about the PRIMARY source for defending the city from disaster?

But it's not all on her. Effective city and county government should have had interagency discussions about wildfires years ago and developed robust systems to prevent the very thing that's happening now.

Imagine if the governing bodies in Florida responded to hurricanes in this manner. They have their shit together. After Hurricane Andrew in 2002, the state of Florida enacted strict building codes for new construction that have greatly reduced losses in storms. Emergency management teams communicate statewide with their counterparts to prepare for hurricane season. They know it's likely a disaster may strike.

Why didn't LA and LA County do anything similar? The situation now is the culmination of years of ineptitude. Looking sad, shrugging their shoulders, and saying "climate change" is responsible is ridiculous.

Again, poor choice of words while making an off the cuff speech. We've all used the "edit" button here....can't do that when making a live speech. She certainly knows where the water comes from....I don't think she's inexperienced nor stupid. There has to be certain assumptions that other agencies will do their jobs....it's the water department's job to make sure there is water. It's the fire dept's job to fight fires....that's why they're called what they're called.

Those that are nitpicking....should the fire chief get involved with aqueducts, reservoirs, and all other aspects of the water system?.....no, that's outside of their wheelhouse and why there are other departments to whom that job is assigned.

I agree with your last 3 paragraphs.

 

[riverroyal]

I disagree. The head of LAFD should have had personnel that interfaced with DWP and informed her about all aspects of what effects inadequacies by DWP would have on firefighting capabilities in the event of a mass wildfire.

She's been employed by LAFD for 20 years, and she doesn't know anything about the PRIMARY source for defending the city from disaster?

But it's not all on her. Effective city and county government should have had interagency discussions about wildfires years ago and developed robust systems to prevent the very thing that's happening now.

Imagine if the governing bodies in Florida responded to hurricanes in this manner. They have their shit together. After Hurricane Andrew in 2002, the state of Florida enacted strict building codes for new construction that have greatly reduced losses in storms. Emergency management teams communicate statewide with their counterparts to prepare for hurricane season. They know it's likely a disaster may strike.

Why didn't LA and LA County do anything similar? The situation now is the culmination of years of ineptitude. Looking sad, shrugging their shoulders, and saying "climate change" is responsible is ridiculous.

Have you been to LA lately? It's beyond fixing. It will never be a good operating area. Ever.
Think 3rd world city, the movie escape from LA, the border, ultra rich and ultra poor, failed infrastructure with no feasible plan to fix, crime, road rage, lack of respect for laws...all blended together.

I was on figeroroa Friday. Just south of downtown
About 20 'young adults" had the north 2 lanes blocked. All on bmx bikes doing wheelies down the street. 40 cars behind them. They could care less about anyone else.
That's LA, that can't be fixed. Ever. Doesn't matter who is running the city

 

[rrrr]

Again, poor choice of words while making an off the cuff speech. We've all used the "edit" button here....can't do that when making a live speech. She certainly knows where the water comes from....I don't think she's inexperienced nor stupid. There has to be certain assumptions that other agencies will do their jobs....it's the water department's job to make sure there is water. It's the fire dept's job to fight fires....that's why they're called what they're called.

Those that are nitpicking....should the fire chief get involved with aqueducts, reservoirs, and all other aspects of the water system?.....no, that's outside of their wheelhouse and why there are other departments to whom that job is assigned.

I agree with your last 3 paragraphs.

I'm not saying she should know everything. She runs a huge operation. Effective administrators give their subordinates directives to know details and report deficiencies.

Someone at LAFD should have been tasked with investigating how DWP delivers water to the system, telling them what the FD needs, and determining if that's adequate. If it's not, then changes must be made. It's basic administration. If DWP doesn't know exactly how much water volume and pressure is needed to provide X number of hydrants providing Y gallons per minute for Z hours, whose fault is it?

The fire chief's.

 

[shintoooo]

It is really windy now.

 

[Singleton]

I'm not saying she should know everything. She runs a huge operation. Effective administrators give their subordinates directives to know details and report deficiencies.

Someone at LAFD should have been tasked with investigating how DWP delivers water to the system, telling them what the FD needs, and determining if that's adequate. If it's not, then changes must be made. It's basic administration. If DWP doesn't know exactly how much water volume and pressure is needed to provide X number of hydrants providing Y gallons per minute for Z hours, whose fault is it?

The fire chief's.

Everything you mentioned is done when the neighborhood is built or expanded.
The city planning commission reviews that stuff all the time.
You are expecting the FD to know how water is managed in the city, that is outside their core responsibilities.

That said, 100% the FD knew the fire hydrants were gravity feed in select areas, and 100% they knew the reservoir was off-line. They were most likely informed that the reservoir was off-line for maintenance and most likely said OK. Historically this is rain season, not fire season.

Both the Chief and the Mayor are in cover your ass territory. Both are failing at how to respond.
The mayor most likely has a crisis mgmt team guiding her on what to say, the FD Chief does not.

 

[rrrr]

You are expecting the FD to know how water is managed in the city, that is outside their core responsibilities.

That said, 100% the FD knew the fire hydrants were gravity feed in select areas...

Water is required to fight fires. How the FD gets the water, and how much water is available, is absolutely something they should know, because at any given time, the worst can happen. This time it did.

I do expect the FD to know the capacity of that gravity fed system, how much water it can provide for how long, and how it gets refilled if the utility power fails. That's a core responsibility. When the reservoir was taken offline, they should have notified everyone "Hey, our effectiveness has been reduced by X percent. Be aware." Instead someone probably grunted and kept looking at their Facebook page.

It's a limitation. A failure to know and plan for it had catastrophic consequences. The failure chain runs uphill from the heads of the FD and DWP, mayor, city council, county administration, and the governor.

Collectively they knew this could happen, and didn't do anything to prevent it.

 

[rightytighty]

Are houses still being lost? The numbers seem stable for the last day or so on the web.

 

[HNL2LHC]

I'm not saying she should know everything. She runs a huge operation. Effective administrators give their subordinates directives to know details and report deficiencies.

Someone at LAFD should have been tasked with investigating how DWP delivers water to the system, telling them what the FD needs, and determining if that's adequate. If it's not, then changes must be made. It's basic administration. If DWP doesn't know exactly how much water volume and pressure is needed to provide X number of hydrants providing Y gallons per minute for Z hours, whose fault is it?

The fire chief's.

Have a FF friend. He told me about the meeting they had with Caltrans. It was in regards to the work being done on the 10 near Desert Center. CalFire expressed concern about plans in regard to flooding in the area. CalTrans basically told then don’t worry about CalTran’s job. Just get back to playing with your water hoses and sprinklers.

A few months later the 10 was washed away. ”We’re from the government and here to help”

EDITED for clarity since @rivermobster couldn’t figure it out like everyone else did…..