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[Singleton]

Water is required to fight fires. How the FD gets the water, and how much water is available, is absolutely something they should know, because at any given time, the worst can happen. This time it did.

I do expect the FD to know the capacity of that gravity fed system, how much water it can provide for how long, and how it gets refilled if the utility power fails. That's a core responsibility.

It's a limitation. A failure to know and plan for it had catastrophic consequences.

That is what you expect.
100% that is outside their job responsibilities.
Those things you talk about are owned BY the cities urban planning commission and water utility.

In a normal city, the following occurs. This is how Carlsbad plans. Neighbor is on the planning commission.

• Fire department role:
  Evaluates fire risk, access points, and necessary hydrant spacing to ensure efficient firefighting operations.
  
  
• Urban planner role:
  Incorporates fire department input into the city layout, considering street design, accessibility, and potential development areas.
  
  
• Water Dept / Utility:
  Ensures and maintains the adequate water pressure and supply at the planned hydrant locations.

 

[poncho]

Water is required to fight fires. How the FD gets the water, and how much water is available, is absolutely something they should know, because at any given time, the worst can happen. This time it did.

I do expect the FD to know the capacity of that gravity fed system, how much water it can provide for how long, and how it gets refilled if the utility power fails. That's a core responsibility. When the reservoir was taken offline, they should have notified everyone "Hey, our effectiveness has been reduced by X percent. Be aware." Instead someone probably grunted and kept looking at their Facebook page.

It's a limitation. A failure to know and plan for it had catastrophic consequences. The failure chain runs uphill from the heads of the FD and DWP, mayor, city council, county administration, and the governor.

Collectively they knew this could happen, and didn't do anything to prevent it.

On the fishing boat we continually train for worst case scenarios even if it seems completely unlikely. If one safety system hiccups it is instant priority number one no questions asked, one of the reasons I stay with this company, safety before profits.

 

[1manshow]

 

[Fastdadtsmith]

Just curious @shintoooo , will new builds be covered under prop 13?

 

[Mr. C]

• Water Dept / Utility:
  Ensures and maintains the adequate water pressure and supply at the planned hydrant locations.

In Regards to this. Knx1070 just had a report the DWP said that all Hydrants had been checked ( I believe in conjunction with the FD) and everyone was in proper working order prior to the fire.

 

[lbhsbz]

I'm not saying she should know everything. She runs a huge operation. Effective administrators give their subordinates directives to know details and report deficiencies.

Someone at LAFD should have been tasked with investigating how DWP delivers water to the system, telling them what the FD needs, and determining if that's adequate. If it's not, then changes must be made. It's basic administration. If DWP doesn't know exactly how much water volume and pressure is needed to provide X number of hydrants providing Y gallons per minute for Z hours, whose fault is it?

The fire chief's.

Bull. Shit.

DEPARTMENT OF WATER
They should understand the requirements, that's pretty fucking basic. It's actually less than remedial, like 2nd grade math.

Are you of the belief that the DWP was unaware of the FD's need for a reliable water source without being told? If that's the case, then everyone in a management or decision making position in the DWP needs to be fired immediately if not sooner and replaced with people that have functioning brains.

 

[Mr. C]

Just curious @shintoooo , will new builds be covered under prop 13?

It’s Cali. If they can fuck you out of your money they’ll try as hard as they can. Jmho.

Waiting for Shins answer.

 

[wzuber]

They might as well post it on Pyromaniac Facebook groups.

Dog whistle comes to mind.

 

[wzuber]

Interesting thought.......if the knowledge base KNOWS there is PLANNED water insufficient supply, what would be the fiscal point of having sufficient fire fighting staff and equipment? What would they do with them if there's known insufficient water for them to function with? Seems kinda obvious, no?

 

[shintoooo]

Just curious @shintoooo , will new builds be covered under prop 13?

I’m not sure. Never had that situation arise before with any of my clients but that changed this week.

 

[wzuber]

I'd like to be a fly on those walls...

I'd like to be a well equipped sniper with impunity near their entrance steps.
These corrupt fux operate with impunity and destroy the lives of their constituents and rarely seems to be held accountable in any significant manner. They just walk off into the smoke filled sunset with maybe a bruise of some sort. These fux need to burn too.

 

[wzuber]

I’m not sure. Never had that situation arise before with any of my clients but that changed this week.

I believe prop 13 is only triggered when title records differently so as long as nothing changes with how the title is held then it should remain in place. That's not to say the county won't try though to generate more tax revenue. Never let a crisis go to waste.

 

[stephenkatsea]

I like VDH. He takes a very common sense approach. Obviously, when it comes to the handling of water and funding, what was done was not adequate.

 

[oldman]

Feds to take over investigation, and form a committee, just what we need.

The Brief​

• • A newly formed Los Angeles Regional Wildfire Investigative Task Force will come together to determine the cause of multiple fires raging in the area.
  • The ATF will serve as the lead agency.
  • Southern California Edison reported to regulators that it had a downed conductor and relay of circuit around the same time that the Hurst fire started in the Sylmar area.

Feds take lead in determining cause of California fires

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will take the lead in investigating the exact cause of multiple fires that have swept through the Los Angeles area.

www.foxla.com

 

[Backlash]

Feds to take over investigation, and form a committee, just what we need.

The Brief​

• • A newly formed Los Angeles Regional Wildfire Investigative Task Force will come together to determine the cause of multiple fires raging in the area.
  • The ATF will serve as the lead agency.
  • Southern California Edison reported to regulators that it had a downed conductor and relay of circuit around the same time that the Hurst fire started in the Sylmar area.

Feds take lead in determining cause of California fires

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will take the lead in investigating the exact cause of multiple fires that have swept through the Los Angeles area.

www.foxla.com

That's reassuring.

 

[Roosky01]

This guy gets it.

x.com

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[rrrr]

Feds to take over investigation, and form a committee, just what we need.

The Brief​

• • A newly formed Los Angeles Regional Wildfire Investigative Task Force will come together to determine the cause of multiple fires raging in the area.
  • The ATF will serve as the lead agency.
  • Southern California Edison reported to regulators that it had a downed conductor and relay of circuit around the same time that the Hurst fire started in the Sylmar area.

Feds take lead in determining cause of California fires

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will take the lead in investigating the exact cause of multiple fires that have swept through the Los Angeles area.

www.foxla.com

To what end? Do they think it'll stop the fires from happening? That's stupid.

The preparation and response to fires are what matters, because in any future January there is no way to completely remove the possibility fires will occur.

 

[rrrr]

Bull. Shit.

DEPARTMENT OF WATER
They should understand the requirements, that's pretty fucking basic. It's actually less than remedial, like 2nd grade math.

Are you of the belief that the DWP was unaware of the FD's need for a reliable water source without being told? If that's the case, then everyone in a management or decision making position in the DWP needs to be fired immediately if not sooner and replaced with people that have functioning brains.

How would DWP know how much water the FD needs in a major fire scenario unless the FD tells them?

 

[Dog]

To what end? Do they think it'll stop the fires from happening? That's stupid.

The preparation and response to fires are what matters, because in any future January there is no way to completely remove the possibility fires will occur.

No money to be "made" in your latter comment...

 

[rrrr]

On the fishing boat we continually train for worst case scenarios even if it seems completely unlikely. If one safety system hiccups it is instant priority number one no questions asked, one of the reasons I stay with this company, safety before profits.

And that's because the owners understand that unless the crew can handle all eventualities, there's no one else to help them. The Coast Guard is hours away when minutes count.

 

[rrrr]

That is what you expect.
100% that is outside their job responsibilities.

• 
  
• Water Dept / Utility:
  Ensures and maintains the adequate water pressure and supply at the planned hydrant locations.

How exactly is the water utility supposed to know what "adequate" water supply and pressure at hydrants is unless they interface with the FD? Don't they have fucking telephones?

The hydraulic engineers at DWP look at the number of hydrants, consult their tables on expected usage during a structure fire or two, and call it good. Did anyone at DWP or LAFD say "Gee, what's gonna happen it we're tapping over a hundred hydrants at once? How long will the water in the tanks supply that? Can we refill them if there are utility power interruptions?"

Did the city council ask? The mayor? LA County fire? The governor?

This is what was known in WWII as a JANFU, joint Army Navy fuckup.

 

[lbhsbz]

How would DWP know how much water the FD needs in a major fire scenario unless the FD tells them?

All of it. should be a given.

But, to entertain your thought process here.....how much water should the FD ask for in the case that something like this happens so that all agencies can be prepared?
Answer: All of it

If faucets still flowed water anywhere else in the DWP juristiction....then they didn't get what should have been available.

 

[oldman]

To what end? Do they think it'll stop the fires from happening? That's stupid.

The preparation and response to fires are what matters, because in any future January there is no way to completely remove the possibility fires will occur.

Office people with clipboards telling guys that do the work they are doing it wrong has generally been my experience.

Oh and get a title and more money.

 

[TonyFanelli]

Feds to take over investigation, and form a committee, just what we need.

The Brief​

• • A newly formed Los Angeles Regional Wildfire Investigative Task Force will come together to determine the cause of multiple fires raging in the area.
  • The ATF will serve as the lead agency.
  • Southern California Edison reported to regulators that it had a downed conductor and relay of circuit around the same time that the Hurst fire started in the Sylmar area.

Feds take lead in determining cause of California fires

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will take the lead in investigating the exact cause of multiple fires that have swept through the Los Angeles area.

www.foxla.com

What a fuckin joke

 

[regor]

Just curious @shintoooo , will new builds be covered under prop 13?

I believe they have 2 years to rebuild, but if that isn’t waived, there will be hell to pay with the group they’ll be dealing with.

 

[1manshow]

 

[Done-it-again]

Blowing a gail in Fontana.

 

[JayBreww]

Blowing a gail in Fontana.

Starting to get a breeze down in French Valley now too.

 

[Dog]

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[Racer56]

I heard something today that I never thought of. A fire chief was being interviewed today and brought up the fact that modern homes have fire sprinklers and when they burn down the system free flows. Multiply hundreds of sprinkler systems free flowing and the water pressure and volume dissappear from fire hydrants.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

I heard something today that I never thought of. A fire chief was being interviewed today and brought up the fact that modern homes have fire sprinklers and when they burn down the system free flows. Multiply hundreds of sprinkler systems free flowing and the water pressure and volume dissappear from fire hydrants.

I mean, that kinda makes sense. @Bobby V ?

 

[Singleton]

I heard something today that I never thought of. A fire chief was being interviewed today and brought up the fact that modern homes have fire sprinklers and when they burn down the system free flows. Multiply hundreds of sprinkler systems free flowing and the water pressure and volume dissappear from fire hydrants.

Saw a couple videos of FD going to houses and turning off the water mains due to this issue.

 

[socal0487]

Just curious @shintoooo , will new builds be covered under prop 13?

Not sure if it’s county specific, but when the Thomas Fire hit, people who lost homes were able to keep property taxes on existing sq ft. If they went bigger (more baths/sq ft), then it’s full market value

 

[hallett21]

We’re up to 54 Billion in expected losses

 

[Desert Whaler]

Not sure if it’s county specific, but when the Thomas Fire hit, people who lost homes were able to keep property taxes on existing sq ft. If they went bigger (more baths/sq ft), then it’s full market value

Also . . . I seem to remember a recent Prop 13 oriented proposition which made it so that those under Prop 13 could sell and transfer their Prop 13 tax base to their new home 1 time. I think it was designed for older folks who may want to down size but not incur new / increased property tax rates. I could be wrong, but I think there is something in effect along those lines.

 

[socal0487]

Also . . . I seem to remember a recent Prop 13 oriented proposition which made it so that those under Prop 13 could sell and transfer their Prop 13 tax base to their new home 1 time. I think it was designed for older folks who may want to down size but not incur new / increased property tax rates. I could be wrong, but I think there is something in effect along those lines.

Yes Prop 19

 

[hallett21]

In front of La Costa Beach Club

 

[hallett21]

 

[Dannyo]

Just a thought. Maybe the whole going green initiative has reduced water pressure across the board. I mean, we have low flow showers, low flow toilets, drip sprinklers. Never would have guessed low flow fire hydrants!

 

[rivermobster]

Have a FF friend. He told me about the meeting they had with Caltrans. It was in regards to the work being done on the 40 near Desert Center. CalFire expressed concern about plans in regard to flooding in the area. CalTrans basically told then don’t worry about CalTran’s job. Just get back to playing with your water hoses and sprinklers.

A few months later the 40 was washed away. ”We’re from the government and here to help”

Could you point out on a map where the 40 and Desert Center are?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Angler]

10, 40 whatever it takes...

 

[HNL2LHC]

Could you point out on a map where the 40 and Desert Center are?

Thanks in advance.

I was just checking who was paying attention.

 

[500bbc]

Not sure if it’s county specific, but when the Thomas Fire hit, people who lost homes were able to keep property taxes on existing sq ft. If they went bigger (more baths/sq ft), then it’s full market value

Woolsey fire there was a small % you could add without getting dinged.

 

[Bobby V]

I heard something today that I never thought of. A fire chief was being interviewed today and brought up the fact that modern homes have fire sprinklers and when they burn down the system free flows. Multiply hundreds of sprinkler systems free flowing and the water pressure and volume dissappear from fire hydrants.

I mean, that kinda makes sense. @Bobby V ?

Saw a couple videos of FD going to houses and turning off the water mains due to this issue.

Yes. Once the fuse able fire link has been melted. Usually at +/- 155* the water will flow until the main valve has been closed to shut off the flow. Years ago a fire sprinkler company came out with a fire sprinkler that would come on when activated and would shut off when the temperature went down. They were used in mostly server / computer rooms to cut down on water damage. It didn't work very well and most companies stopped using them.

 

[Taboma]

I heard something today that I never thought of. A fire chief was being interviewed today and brought up the fact that modern homes have fire sprinklers and when they burn down the system free flows. Multiply hundreds of sprinkler systems free flowing and the water pressure and volume dissappear from fire hydrants.

Isn't that fire chief aware that when a home burns, that the walls come down, all your water pipes are compromised and your water main where it enters your home is going to turn into a fountain regardless if you have a sprinkler system or not ?
When our burned even the irrigation valves melted as well.

 

[4Waters]

Don't know how true this is but thought I would share, she is from Pennsylvania

 

[angiebaby]

Feds to take over investigation, and form a committee, just what we need.

The Brief​

• • A newly formed Los Angeles Regional Wildfire Investigative Task Force will come together to determine the cause of multiple fires raging in the area.
  • The ATF will serve as the lead agency.
  • Southern California Edison reported to regulators that it had a downed conductor and relay of circuit around the same time that the Hurst fire started in the Sylmar area.

Feds take lead in determining cause of California fires

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives will take the lead in investigating the exact cause of multiple fires that have swept through the Los Angeles area.

www.foxla.com

I'm sorry, but WTH does the ATF have to do with fires? Firearms, yes. Fires, no.

 

[Dog]

I'm sorry, but WTH does the ATF have to do with fires? Firearms, yes. Fires, no.

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) is the federal agency primarily responsible for administering and enforcing the criminal and regulatory provisions of the federal laws pertaining to destructive devices, explosives, and arson.

Arson | ATF

www.atf.gov

 

[Taboma]

I'm sorry, but WTH does the ATF have to do with fires? Firearms, yes. Fires, no.

ATF does in fact investigate both fires and arson.

 

[4Waters]

I know what Mel Gibson wanted to say