Titanic Tour Submarine Missing.

[monkeyswrench]

I went to a 5 day deal at MIT for tech leaders …..lol low man on the totem pole there.

Anyway, one of the guys in my study group was the Director at NASA for refurbishing the shuttles after they came back. He “owned it“ from landing to relaunch. He said they literally bought parts for 386 computers off eBay as it was the only place left to get certain parts for the shuttle.

Wasn't the 386 cutting edge in the early 80's? When I watched the first manned SpaceX launch, that was what grabbed my attention. The Space Shuttle's controls looked like a 1970's nuclear reactor console, and the SpaceX stuff looked so sleek and modern, like what a sci-fi movie was when we were kids.

 

[Mcob25rg]

So I feel the same about this disaster as when a big buck boat goes wrong. The ego’s of the people that can pay $250M for an 8 hour ride thInk that their expertise and success in one field of life will roll over to anything they decide to do. They pushed it weather wise, and if you look at any of the video before this dive of the vessel, no one in their right mind would get in. The fact that NEITHER the US Navy or the Russian Navy have a sub that can achieve these depths is all you need to know. They got what their poor judgement and decision making granted them. They never know what happened, and the small piece left will never be found, sorry, just sayin.

 

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So I feel the same about this disaster as when a big buck boat goes wrong. The ego’s of the people that can pay $250M for an 8 hour ride thInk that their expertise and success in one field of life will roll over to anything they decide to do. They pushed it weather wise, and if you look at any of the video before this dive of the vessel, no one in their right mind would get in. The fact that NEITHER the US Navy or the Russian Navy have a sub that can achieve these depths is all you need to know. They got what their poor judgement and decision making granted them. They never know what happened, and the small piece left will never be found, sorry, just sayin.

What's your thoughts on Lickity Split?

 

[RVR SWPR]

How many “O Rings involved putting that thing together ? 3 Trips known of to 12k + testing . That thing gets ruffed up traveling 800 miles round trip to dive site loaded on transporter.

 

[Neverbowdown]

Covid strikes again.....

 

[stephenkatsea]

Thirty-six Thousand Feet Under the Sea

The explorers who set one of the last meaningful records on earth.

www.newyorker.com

Not all the answers. But, if interested, this article appears to be very much on topic when it comes to submersibles.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Wasn't the 386 cutting edge in the early 80's? When I watched the first manned SpaceX launch, that was what grabbed my attention. The Space Shuttle's controls looked like a 1970's nuclear reactor console, and the SpaceX stuff looked so sleek and modern, like what a sci-fi movie was when we were kids.

The shuttle computers were never that advanced. They were designed on mid 70s technology that had to provide man rated space flight which meant triple redundancy and every command ran through all three and two had to agree on the calculated output.

Having said that, the 386 was not publicly available until the mid 80s and I doubt NASA would have risked human space flight on a new and unproven product.

 

[2Driver]

The shuttle computers were never that advanced. They were designed on mid 70s technology that had to provide man rated space flight which meant triple redundancy and every command ran through all three and two had to agree on the calculated output.

Having said that, the 386 was not publicly available until the mid 80s and I doubt NASA would have risked human space flight on a new and unproven product.

Fuck IDK that’s what he said. They were flying and refurbing all the way until 2011. He didn’t say what parts just that they came out of old 386 PCs bought off eBay. This was back in 2002 it could have been a screw for all I know.

 

[RichardMango]

So I feel the same about this disaster as when a big buck boat goes wrong. The ego’s of the people that can pay $250M for an 8 hour ride thInk that their expertise and success in one field of life will roll over to anything they decide to do. They pushed it weather wise, and if you look at any of the video before this dive of the vessel, no one in their right mind would get in. The fact that NEITHER the US Navy or the Russian Navy have a sub that can achieve these depths is all you need to know. They got what their poor judgement and decision making granted them. They never know what happened, and the small piece left will never be found, sorry, just sayin.

You are wrong. Russia has sent many subs down to the Titanic wreckage. Sad you have zero regard for loss of life.

 

[hallett21]

You are wrong. Russia has sent many subs down to the Titanic wreckage. Sad you have zero regard for loss of life.

Humans inside?

 

[4Waters]

I'd be surprised if the navy doesn't have a sub that can go that deep and it wouldn't have an XBox controller

 

[RichardMango]

Humans inside?

Yes. It was a smaller vessel that held 3 people.

 

[shueman]

 

[FCT]

You are wrong. Russia has sent many subs down to the Titanic wreckage. Sad you have zero regard for loss of life.

I think you’re missing the point. I don’t believe he has zero regard for life. I believe he is basically saying when you make stupid decisions in life unfortunately sometimes it cost you your life. Like guys riding street bikes 120 mph splitting lanes. They die all the time and I feel bad they are dead, but I don’t feel sorry for their ignorance. Sometimes you must use a little common sense to get through life.

 

[Deckin Around]

So I feel the same about this disaster as when a big buck boat goes wrong. The ego’s of the people that can pay $250M for an 8 hour ride thInk that their expertise and success in one field of life will roll over to anything they decide to do. They pushed it weather wise, and if you look at any of the video before this dive of the vessel, no one in their right mind would get in. The fact that NEITHER the US Navy or the Russian Navy have a sub that can achieve these depths is all you need to know. They got what their poor judgement and decision making granted them. They never know what happened, and the small piece left will never be found, sorry, just sayin.

$250,000 not $250,000,000. That doesn’t even buy a pontoon boat these days

If I had f u money Id pay that to go to space with my wife so we could bang it out with no gravity. I’m sure there’s no quick rescue out there either. To each his own.

 

[Member: 71]

They might want to bring out retirement James Cameron’s sub. His looks well put together.

What a way to go out. Sucks

 

[yz450mm]

I'd be surprised if the navy doesn't have a sub that can go that deep and it wouldn't have an XBox controller

I've actually seen multiple articles and videos showing that current Navy nuclear subs actually do use an Xbox 360 controller for the Periscope and other related controls. They have said that the controls are more familiar to the kids running them, so it makes them more efficient.

 

[4Waters]

I've actually seen multiple articles and videos showing that current Navy nuclear subs actually do use an Xbox 360 controller for the Periscope and other related controls. They have said that the controls are more familiar to the kids running them, so it makes them more efficient.

Now that you mention that I have seen that as well

 

[rrrr]

The shuttle computers were never that advanced. They were designed on mid 70s technology that had to provide man rated space flight which meant triple redundancy and every command ran through all three and two had to agree on the calculated output.

Having said that, the 386 was not publicly available until the mid 80s and I doubt NASA would have risked human space flight on a new and unproven product.

You're correct about the four (one backup) primary shuttle computers, they were quite primitive, had little processing power and memory, and the lines of code that ran the systems were tiny compared to commercial programs like Windows. But I think the astronauts began taking commercial laptops into space around 1991 to assist with various chores related to mission experiments. These computers were not interconnected with the shuttle hardware.

Perhaps it was those devices that needed eBay parts.

 

[SoCalDave]

a reporter that has been on it said...

And there you have it...

 

[rrrr]

If I had f u money Id pay that to go to space with my wife so we could bang it out with no gravity. I’m sure there’s no quick rescue out there either. To each his own.

The wealthy that are paying for rides into space are taking a huge risk too. I won't be surprised if one of those missions is lost.

 

[beerrun]

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Did you guys miss this

 

[beerrun]

If this is true they still have no way to raise the sub

 

[stephenkatsea]

At 9pm FOX News also reported, banging sounds had been reportedly heard at 30 minute intervals. There’s been mention of bringing in a nuclear sub. If interested, Google our nuclear sub, Jimmy Carter. It does have assets capable of working depths far beyond that of the sub. Have no idea where the Carter may be. To what extent are these banging sound reports valid? Time will tell . . . and it’s running out.

 

[Looking Glass]

At 9pm FOX News also reported, banging sounds had been reportedly heard at 30 minute intervals. There’s been mention of bringing in a nuclear sub. If interested, Google our nuclear sub, Jimmy Carter. It does have assets capable of working depths far beyond that of the sub.

Well, they best Get the F**K Moving!! What, a little over 1 day of Oxygen left?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Well, they best Get the F**K Moving!! What, a little over 1 day of Oxygen left?

Nuke subs are supposed to be the fastest thing in the water. If that's the case, one could be near quick. They're also equipped with really advanced "listening" systems as well. It would be really cool if the Navy is able to save these people.

 

[Deckin Around]

Well, they best Get the F**K Moving!! What, a little over 1 day of Oxygen left?

Nuke subs are supposed to be the fastest thing in the water. If that's the case, one could be near quick. They're also equipped with really advanced "listening" systems as well. It would be really cool if the Navy is able to save these people.

I am hoping they survive and there will be an amazing made for tv movie of what happened with the people inside during the ordeal.

 

[outboard_256]

I have a question. Let's say they are alive. Let's say they are banging sos on the hull and we can hear it from the boat topside. Can we actually find the exact location just based on the sounds? And how do we get down there to help them? I don't know anything about subs, but it sounds like even if we can confirm they are still alive we can't do much.

 

[Racey]

The shuttle computers were never that advanced. They were designed on mid 70s technology that had to provide man rated space flight which meant triple redundancy and every command ran through all three and two had to agree on the calculated output.

Having said that, the 386 was not publicly available until the mid 80s and I doubt NASA would have risked human space flight on a new and unproven product.

They may have need 386 console computers to run software specifically used to manipulate parameters or run diagnostics on the embedded onboard computers.

Just like needing an old laptop capable of running DOS or DOS emulation to tune old engine ECUs. There was a while 10 or so years ago i had to keep an x86 laptop solely for old motec m48 boxes. The software would not run on 64bit x64 hardware.

 

[BabyRay]

Nuke subs are supposed to be the fastest thing in the water. If that's the case, one could be near quick. They're also equipped with really advanced "listening" systems as well. It would be really cool if the Navy is able to save these people.

Would our Navy want anyone to know even approximately where a nuclear sub is at any given moment? Considering how unlikely a successful rescue actually is, I’m thinking they’d not want to risk giving that information out. Five lives, that are likely already doomed, versus national security.

Sad deal, but they chose to climb into that vessel.

 

[Racey]

I have a question. Let's say they are alive. Let's say they are banging sos on the hull and we can hear it from the boat topside. Can we actually find the exact location just based on the sounds? And how do we get down there to help them? I don't know anything about subs, but it sounds like even if we can confirm they are still alive we can't do much.

Bingo, they are screwed. Their absolute best hope is the auto ballast system brought them to the surface and they are bobbing around, right at surface level. Locked inside. which finding them in time would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack the size of a football stadium without a metal detector.

 

[Racey]

Would our Navy want anyone to know even approximately where a nuclear sub is at any given moment? Considering how unlikely a successful rescue actually is, I’m thinking they’d not want to risk giving that information out. Five lives, that are likely already doomed, versus national security.

Sad deal, but they chose to climb into that vessel.

A nuclear sub is useless as it wont come anywhere close to that depth.

 

[Racey]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671372833979785217

 

[Orange Juice]

Bingo, they are screwed. Their absolute best hope is the auto ballast system brought them to the surface and they are bobbing around, right at surface level. Locked inside. which finding them in time would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack the size of a football stadium without a metal detector.

I would hope the Sub is equipped with a transponder. Something happened very quick to not send a distress signal.

They say it was made of carbon fiber.

 

[MPHSystems]

Like the guy who invented Segway was killed while riding a Segway LOL

I’m surprised this thread hasn’t merged with the Gillian’s Island thread…it was supposed to be a three hour submarine tour…

For all we know, they dove to inner earth and are driving around in cars made from coconuts

How many of those chocolate squares did you eat?

 

[Kfabe]

https://nypost.com/2023/06/20/ocean...olding-up-rescue-for-missing-titanic-sub/amp/

 

[monkeyswrench]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671372833979785217

I wouldn't care if it were a 15yo black kid that identified as an Asian unicorn, or a 75yo white guy with a NASCAR hat...whoever could get me out alive.

 

[rrrr]

If there were a dozen nuclear submarines right on top of the missing sub, it wouldn't mean squat. If it's still underwater, no one can help them. I also don't believe it's been mentioned that the ocean temperature at 12,500' is about 34° F.

Those people are dead.

 

[farmo83]

Clearly the navy hasn't watched the movie MEG. Just call Jason Statem.

 

[was thatguy]

Wife and I did an Atlantis Submarine in Kona to around 100', that was really cool

We did the one at Waikiki.
It was way cool.

 

[was thatguy]

You are wrong. Russia has sent many subs down to the Titanic wreckage. Sad you have zero regard for loss of life.

News flash, everyone dies, there’s no such thing as a “Loss of life”, they just did an early check out due to their own decision.
I don’t empathize, or feel sad, or anything like that.
I respect it.

“We can’t live when we’re too afraid to die.”

 

[bonesfab]

You do not "fix" compromised carbon fiber.

Well they figured that out the hard way.

 

[pronstar]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1671372833979785217

A tourist sub engineered by diversity hires.
What could possible go wrong

 

[Boatles]

Crushed into oblivion or possibly (very unlikely) lost communication and maybe power - an airless tank with deceased humans inside

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1670931677013524487

@HCP3 posted the Twitter link...

A six-month-old CBS report on OceanGate’s Titanic tourism submarine is going viral on social media after reporter David Pogue raised safety concerns about the now-missing vessel.

Pogue visited OceanGate’s operations last year and was submerged in the $1M submarine, named Titan, which vanished off the coast of Canada on Sunday. It was carrying a pilot and four passengers, including OceanGate CEO Stockton Rush.

Before boarding the sub, Pogue was given a tour of the vessel, during which he commented on its “improvised design.” This included lighting from Camping World and an unofficial Playstation controller used to drive the submarine.

“It seems like this submersible has some elements of MacGyvery jerry-rigged-ness. You are putting construction pipes as ballast,” Pogue said to Rush in an interview.

“I don’t know if I would use that description,” Rush replied. He added that the OceanGate worked with Boeing and Nasa on the pressure vessel. “Everything else can fail. Your thrusters can go, your lights can go, you’re still going to be safe.”

Pogue said he was nervous before boarding and revealed some of the contents of the waiver form he was required to sign. This described the submarine as an “experimental submersible vessel that has not been approved or certified by any regulatory body and could result in physical injury, disability, emotional trauma or death.”

 

[BajaT]

I have been fortunate enough to go under many times when I was younger. Don't think I would ever do it again though....





🛤🛤🛤

 

[bonesfab]

A tourist sub engineered by diversity hires.
What could possible go wrong

I know I know. Run it right into the ground like all the politicians and businesses that try it.

 

[Icky]

I didn't realize someone had actually traveled to the deepest parts of the ocean. I think I would rather be in something like this.

 

[coolchange]

The submarine's pressure hull is a carbon fiber structure.

I'm gonna quote myself. Fatique failures are a well known phenomenon, and I based my earlier comment from knowledge of carbon fiber component fractures or failures due to repeated stresses in IndyCar.


This is a quote from Clarence's link:

In January 2020, Rush gave an interview to GeekWire in which he admitted that the Titan’s hull “showed signs of cyclic fatigue.”

"Cyclic fatigue" being repeated dives in which damage occurred. To my knowledge it had only been to Titanic depth three previous times, twice on the wreck and once in the Bahamas.

The hull was supposedly repaired by aerospace companies that no doubt had autoclaves large enough to properly fuse the resin on the repairs. But carbon fiber's strength relies on an uninterrupted matrix embedded in resin. If the repairs were even a tiny bit incorrect, the pressure at depth would have found it.

The sub stopped communicating after an hour and forty five minutes, and would have descended about halfway to the wreck. The pressure at that depth would "only" have been about 2,750 PSI.

That was my question. How many duty cycles is it good for, and how do you test it? No thanks.
These guys belong to the same fraternity that killed Jesse Combs.
Call in the Sea View

 

[aka619er]

I have a question. Let's say they are alive. Let's say they are banging sos on the hull and we can hear it from the boat topside. Can we actually find the exact location just based on the sounds? And how do we get down there to help them? I don't know anything about subs, but it sounds like even if we can confirm they are still alive we can't do much.

Absolutely they can. We use acoustic tracking regularly to track weapons impacts and can do it down to the meter. Can also reverse it and pinpoint the launch site of rockets and mortars.

 

[81Sprint]

I went down the rabbit hole of watching some of the Oceangate videos on youtube last night. They have done many dives and have some crazy good 8k footage of the wreck, but it was just a matter of time with that harbor freight sub. Being bolted in the sub without an escape is a hard no, even if it surfaces you are still at the mercy of rescue finding you in time.