Tesla Continues to collapse.

[spectra3279]

A friend of mine has a model 3. Inside to me is just a big piece of plastic. The screen sticks out from the dash about 6 inches. Looks like an after thought instead of a designed in screen. Hell my knee leans against it when I ride in the front passenger seat.

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[KENDOG689]

Batteries are made of plastic too,it a theme.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Tesla also owns Solar City, and their own branded utility grade solar farms and battery storage facilities for that matter. In other words one company feeds the growth of the other.

So as Tesla sells more cars there is more demand for electricity which allows Tesla to sell more green energy projects.

 

[KENDOG689]

Fuck going green.Its a scam and stupid people buy in to this shit.Wanna be green,ride a bike.This guy is a total jackoff and a fraud.

 

[SJP]

I own a P85DL Sedan. Bought it for my wife 3 years ago and we have put 25k miles on it. Last week I just replaced all four tires. Brakes are still at 95% and care has been flawless. Had to get a rear door handle replaced under warranty last week.

Compared to an upper BMW, Mercedes, Audi performance sedan my wife wanted this. She loves driving in LA as a daily driver. We drive it out to the river when we are not hauling a bunch of stuff. I knew Tesla was not going to redesign the model every three years like a traditional car line. We plan on keeping this car for a while. I did not buy this car to be green or save gas. I liked the performance and my wife liked it as a family sedan. It was different when we bought it and still is. As with everything it is not for everyone much like the boats we drive.

 

[SBMech]

Musk Meltdown: Tesla CEO threatens to bring back Soviet paper as Verrit-style media rating site
Tesla boss skirmishes with journalists, media and labor rights advocates on Twitter


In a tweetstorm that could at times be mistaken for the work of a troll who had hijacked his account, Tesla CEO Elon Musk unleashed a stream of criticism at his detractors, mostly in the media, amid promises to resurrect a Verrit-style rating site named after the longtime Soviet newspaper of record Pravda, which means "truth" in Russian.

Musk's day of truth on Twitter started innocently enough with some retweets of SpaceX's latest rocket launch.

Then, things took a turn as Musk swerved hard into "big media" in a tirade that seemed to be on the verge of playing the "Fake News!" card.

"The holier-than-thou hypocrisy of big media companies who lay claim to the truth, but publish only enough to sugarcoat the lie, is why the public no longer respects them," Musk wrote, retweeting an Electrek.co article, a more than Tesla-friendly website that published a favorable assessment of Tesla stock in light of recent skepticism on Wall Street and in the financial press.



Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/people/...paper-verrit-style-media-rating#ixzz5GX1R7Fit

Looks like he's a tad upset that Consumer Reports did not like the 3 lol....

 

[sirbob]

Ya consumer reports hitting them hard on the braking issue of the 3.

telsa claims it no big deal - I want working brakes on my new car.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Almost all manufacturers have a love hate relationship with CR. Almost no one has the balls to call them on it.

If the car rags have an issue there is probably an issue. Do they? I don't actually know.

If CR has an issue hard to know what it means if anything because the ironing board guy might be on the project.

I remember one rag talking about them and it was hilarious reading...

" we arrived at the test site and right away Joe found a button and Larry picked up a nickel, once things calmed down a bit from the activity we began our test procedures".

UD

 

[Racey]

Musk has been destroying 'Journalists' on twitter.

 

[SBMech]

Haha he seems a little cranky!

 

[Racey]

Haha he seems a little cranky!

He's not taking their shit that's for sure.

 

[KENDOG689]

He cant cause he is a bullshitter.

 

[Uncle Dave]

So who deserves the last reply?

The guy thats built an empire on tech in America (wether one likes it or not) with multiple different companies.

Or the no name "journalists" who havent built, created, or hired anyone /anything on their life telling a guy that employs thousands to "get back to work."

What kind of payroll does he shell out ?

UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So who deserves the last reply?

The guy thats built an empire on tech in America (wether one likes it or not) with multiple different companies.

Or the no name "journalists" who havent built, created, or hired anyone /anything on their life telling a guy that employs thousands to "get back to work."

What kind of payroll does he shell out ?

UD

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Well I can see why they are burning capital at an exponential rate... it takes 37,500 people to build 100,000 cars per year. I hope for their sake that includes contractors.

It is great that he employs that many people. If they get bought or go under however, a great many of those people will be jobless.


FWIW - Ford employed 202,000 people and built over 6 million cars in 2017.

 

[pronstar]

Funny...journalists sign NDA's all the time.

Let's say Motor Trend has an article about an all-new car that just came out.
That info was shared with them 6 months ago, the article written 4 months ago, then it goes on press and ultimately distributed.

Anyone with a keyboard thinks they're a "journalist" these days.

 

[jet496]

Musk Meltdown: Tesla CEO threatens to bring back Soviet paper as Verrit-style media rating site
Tesla boss skirmishes with journalists, media and labor rights advocates on Twitter


In a tweetstorm that could at times be mistaken for the work of a troll who had hijacked his account, Tesla CEO Elon Musk unleashed a stream of criticism at his detractors, mostly in the media, amid promises to resurrect a Verrit-style rating site named after the longtime Soviet newspaper of record Pravda, which means "truth" in Russian.

Musk's day of truth on Twitter started innocently enough with some retweets of SpaceX's latest rocket launch.

Then, things took a turn as Musk swerved hard into "big media" in a tirade that seemed to be on the verge of playing the "Fake News!" card.

"The holier-than-thou hypocrisy of big media companies who lay claim to the truth, but publish only enough to sugarcoat the lie, is why the public no longer respects them," Musk wrote, retweeting an Electrek.co article, a more than Tesla-friendly website that published a favorable assessment of Tesla stock in light of recent skepticism on Wall Street and in the financial press.



Read more: http://autoweek.com/article/people/...paper-verrit-style-media-rating#ixzz5GX1R7Fit

Looks like he's a tad upset that Consumer Reports did not like the 3 lol....

Umm...he's right. The media is manipulating the weak liberals like putty in their hands.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Well I can see why they are burning capital at an exponential rate... it takes 37,500 people to build 100,000 cars per year. I hope for their sake that includes contractors.

It is great that he employs that many people. If they get bought or go under however, a great many of those people will be jobless.


FWIW - Ford employed 202,000 people and built over 6 million cars in 2017.

Yet wall street deems ford worth "about" a bit less or equal regardless.

and lets say they all go jobless tomorrow - how much more capitalistic gain did Elon generate vs his critics?

They are not close to equal.

UD

 

[jet496]

Tesla's not going anywhere. Hell, Ford is quitting making cars all because the change of technology, self-driving, electric cars, etc.

Plus our government needs the likes of Tesla to continue their innovated ways to get away from oil. Imagine the shift in world powers if that happens. The middle east will be a baron, nothingness again like in biblical days opposed to being the wealthiest in the world.

I want to see their stock tank a bit so I can buy more.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

So who deserves the last reply?

The guy thats built an empire on tech in America (wether one likes it or not) with multiple different companies.

Or the no name "journalists" who havent built, created, or hired anyone /anything on their life telling a guy that employs thousands to "get back to work."

What kind of payroll does he shell out ?

UD

View attachment 648278

Well I can see why they are burning capital at an exponential rate... it takes 37,500 people to build 100,000 cars per year. I hope for their sake that includes contractors.

It is great that he employs that many people. If they get bought or go under however, a great many of those people will be jobless.


FWIW - Ford employed 202,000 people and built over 6 million cars in 2017.

If that number is the total number under the Tesla umbrella, that would include SoaceX, SolarCity, etc....

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[LargeOrangeFont]

Yet wall street deems ford worth "about" a bit less or equal regardless.

and lets say they all go jobless tomorrow - how much more capitalistic gain did Elon generate vs his critics?

They are not close to equal.

UD

Wall street's "worth" is a carnival ride. Can you sensibly reason through the current valuation? A key characteristic of a high performing company is one that delivers on their commits. I have not seen that out of Tesla. The delays seen in every model are not because they wanted to make the car perfect, they were rushing to make it functional. If there are problems, fix them and move on.

The guy (Musk) has businesses, is trying to innovate, and employing people at the same time. I completely agree he helping the economy, driving innovation, employing people, and that is worth a lot more than some sniveling bloggers or reporters comments. At the same time, if the problems/comments are true, Musk does not have to like them, and of course is going to try to defend his brand.

Again, I'd hold out for a buy or merger. I don't think Tesla alone will be able to organically grow itself out of it's current situation.. do you?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If that number is the total number under the Tesla umbrella, that would include SoaceX, SolarCity, etc....

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It should not be, they are all different companies.

Again, even Porsche which is a boutique car company like Tesla employs 25,000 people and produced about 250K cars last year.

Think about the cost savings associated with cutting 10,000 jobs. It would probably fix all of their problems.

 

[SBMech]

Tesla's not going anywhere. Hell, Ford is quitting making cars all because the change of technology, self-driving, electric cars, etc.

Plus our government needs the likes of Tesla to continue their innovated ways to get away from oil. Imagine the shift in world powers if that happens. The middle east will be a baron, nothingness again like in biblical days opposed to being the wealthiest in the world.

I want to see their stock tank a bit so I can buy more.

We don't NEED to get away from oil. The ONLY reason we even buy from the middle east is back door politics about money in pockets created decades ago by the Deep State fucktards..

The USA has 200+ years of oil reserves on the continental US, not counting Alaska. Consumption only goes down, so yea, we are not going to run out any time soon.

It's like anything else, when smog is not the problem, they will make something new up to fleece you out of more tax dollars.

It's great that tech is being driven, but it's not really going to change the world until we see a quantum leap scenario, like a mini fission generator that brings micro portable (endless) power world wide.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Tesla's not going anywhere. Hell, Ford is quitting making cars all because the change of technology, self-driving, electric cars, etc.

Plus our government needs the likes of Tesla to continue their innovated ways to get away from oil. Imagine the shift in world powers if that happens. The middle east will be a baron, nothingness again like in biblical days opposed to being the wealthiest in the world.

I want to see their stock tank a bit so I can buy more.

We joke at work that Tesla's are coal powered cars... because they are. Lots of carbon and hydrocarbons are expended making zero emission electric vehicle practical.

The middle east and their oil isn't going anywhere any time soon.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Wall street's "worth" is a carnival ride. Can you sensibly reason through the current valuation? A key characteristic of a high performing company is one that delivers on their commits. I have not seen that out of Tesla. The delays seen in every model are not because they wanted to make the car perfect, they were rushing to make it functional. If there are problems, fix them and move on.

The guy (Musk) has businesses, is trying to innovate, and employing people at the same time. I completely agree he helping the economy, driving innovation, employing people, and that is worth a lot more than some sniveling bloggers or reporters comments. At the same time, if the problems/comments are true, Musk does not have to like them, and of course is going to try to defend his brand.

Again, I'd hold out for a buy or merger. I don't think Tesla alone will be able to organically grow itself out of it's current situation.. do you?

That carnival ride determines lots of net worth - its been known to be wrong.

I think the guy will pull it off with a bit more time and a bit more capital injection.

I dont predict demise, but hell probably have to sell of some of his own stake

So no " demise" for you either?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tesla's not going anywhere. Hell, Ford is quitting making cars all because the change of technology, self-driving, electric cars, etc......

Talk about uninformed.

Ford is going to focus on making Crossovers and CUVs, because that is all people want to buy right now, and the margins are better on them. They are actively working on an electric car portfolio, as well as automated driving.

News ALERT - Crossovers and CUVs are just taller bodied cars.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That carnival ride determines lots of net worth - its been known to be wrong.

I think the guy will pull it off with a bit more time and a bit more capital injection.

I dont predict demise, but hell probably have to sell of some of his own stake

So no " demise" for you either?

I have said a bunch of times in this thread that I don't think the brand is going to go away. There are too many people that will blindly put a deposit on a Tesla, wait 2 years for it, have the price raised 30% or more, and still happily drive away in one with faulty brakes (lol). The brand has too much worth. They will merge or be bought out. I can't see Musk having a boss though, so that might get interesting.

What is your definition of a "bit" more capital? They have to be profitable sometime.. This is not Amazon we are talking about here, they just make 3 cars, Oh and house batteries.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I have said a bunch of times in this thread that I don't think the company is going to go under. There are too many people that will blindly put a deposit on a Tesla, wait 2 years for it and have the price raised 30% or more and still happily drive away in one with faulty brakes (lol). The brand has too much worth. They will merge or be bought out. I can't see Musk having a boss though, so that might get interesting.

What is your definition of a "bit" more capital? They have to be profitable sometime.. This is not Amazon we are talking about here, they just make 3 cars, Oh and house batteries.

So merger/ acquisition call from you.

I dont see a specific $ amount but a control % - Id say Elon will have to fork over about 25-45% of his stake in it by the time its profitable whatever that number turns out to be over time.

UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So merger/ acquisition call from you.

I dont see a specific $ amount but a control % - Id say Elon will have to fork over about 25-45% of his stake in it by the time its profitable whatever that number turns out to be over time.

UD

I'll go with that, seems reasonable.

 

[rrrr]

It should not be, they are all different companies.

Again, even Porsche which is a boutique car company like Tesla employs 25,000 people and produced about 250K cars last year.

Think about the cost savings associated with cutting 10,000 jobs. It would probably fix all of their problems.

Tesla bought SolarCity and took on $2.9 billion in debt. About $250 million of that is due in months.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

It should not be, they are all different companies.

Again, even Porsche which is a boutique car company like Tesla employs 25,000 people and produced about 250K cars last year.

Think about the cost savings associated with cutting 10,000 jobs. It would probably fix all of their problems.

You are partially correct. SoaceX is a different company and not under the Tesla name.

Tesla bought SolarCity and took on $2.9 billion in debt. About $250 million of that is due in months.

rrrr is correct as well. Solar City is wholey owned by Tesla and likely factors into those employee #'s.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

You are partially correct. SoaceX is a different company and not under the Tesla name.rrrr is correct as well. Solar City is wholey owned by Tesla and likely factors into those employee #'s.

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It is still listed as an individual subsidiary company, so I dont know the nuances of how you count employees. My guess would be by company. Volkswagen for example does not count Porsche, or Lamborghini employees as “Volkswagen” employees.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

I really dunno. I don't know if each company can do it differently or what. One thing I did just think about..... From what I have heard and read, Tesla owns it's dealerships unlike other car makers. That could be a huge bump to employee #'s as well.

It is still listed as an individual subsidiary company, so I dont know the nuances of how you count employees. My guess would be by company. Volkswagen for example does not count Porsche, or Lamborghini employees as “Volkswagen” employees.

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[LargeOrangeFont]

I really dunno. I don't know if each company can do it differently or what. One thing I did just think about..... From what I have heard and read, Tesla owns it's dealerships unlike other car makers. That could be a huge bump to employee #'s as well.

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Correct. I doubt that number counts the Solar City people, but probably does include all the sales people.

I’m not saying Tesla’s sales strategy is better or worse, but people are the biggest cost to a company, and that is why every other car company sells through a franchise program. The costs to run those sales places in malls are huge.

 

[pronstar]

The dealer/distributor model is prevalent, because it works.
We buy few consumer items direct from the factory, and with good reason.

Ford, as an example, doesn't give a shit about you.
The numbers they deal with make you a non-issue.
They have 750,000 other F Series customers to focus on.

A local dealer, on the other hand, has a vested interest in keeping you happy.

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[KENDOG689]

Tesla's not going anywhere. Hell, Ford is quitting making cars all because the change of technology, self-driving, electric cars, etc.

Plus our government needs the likes of Tesla to continue their innovated ways to get away from oil. Imagine the shift in world powers if that happens. The middle east will be a baron, nothingness again like in biblical days opposed to being the wealthiest in the world.

I want to see their stock tank a bit so I can buy more.

Ford sells trucks and suvs.They only sell Mustangs,smart move.We will always need oil and tesla will crash.Also the government should have nothing to do with autos,they have a tough time with what they do now.

 

[Justfishing]

Tesla's not going anywhere. Hell, Ford is quitting making cars all because the change of technology, self-driving, electric cars, etc.

Plus our government needs the likes of Tesla to continue their innovated ways to get away from oil. Imagine the shift in world powers if that happens. The middle east will be a baron, nothingness again like in biblical days opposed to being the wealthiest in the world.

I want to see their stock tank a bit so I can buy more.

Ford is adjusting the lineup to reflect what the public wants. People are buying rav4s, crv's etc over a car. It is a reversion to the station wagon just down sized and modern. Any of them can be made electric or hybrid when the costs come down and the range increases.

Electricity is not so portable. I can drive 900 miles in a dayd on a 2 tanks of gas. That is one 15 minute fill up. Even a more typical trip of 400-500 miles can be done without a gas stop. I am not tied to a long break for a recharge.

In case you havent noticed solar takes a big subsidy for people to buy it. Same with electric cars and even then automakers lose money.

Musk's factories are inefficient. His production is no way streamlined. He needs to be more efficient to both cut his costs and to raise production.

For all those that praise the solar/electric then quit using subsidies. Pay a fair share of road taxes, etc

Musk's have received over $5b in subsidies. Buyers receive tax credits which to me is just another subsidy

 

[jet496]

Ford is adjusting the lineup to reflect what the public wants. People are buying rav4s, crv's etc over a car. It is a reversion to the station wagon just down sized and modern. Any of them can be made electric or hybrid when the costs come down and the range increases.

Electricity is not so portable. I can drive 900 miles in a dayd on a 2 tanks of gas. That is one 15 minute fill up. Even a more typical trip of 400-500 miles can be done without a gas stop. I am not tied to a long break for a recharge.

In case you havent noticed solar takes a big subsidy for people to buy it. Same with electric cars and even then automakers lose money.

Musk's factories are inefficient. His production is no way streamlined. He needs to be more efficient to both cut his costs and to raise production.

For all those that praise the solar/electric then quit using subsidies. Pay a fair share of road taxes, etc

Musk's have received over $5b in subsidies. Buyers receive tax credits which to me is just another subsidy

Look around you, more people buy cars than SUV's. The vehicle manufacturers are readjusting to their most profitable vehicles & eliminating cars for some reason. I suspect it's because the car market will be changing. Don't get caught up in believing what is told to you in the media.

Just saying.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Look around you, more people buy cars than SUV's. The vehicle manufacturers are readjusting to their most profitable vehicles & eliminating cars for some reason. I suspect it's because the car market will be changing. Don't get caught up in believing what is told to you in the media.

Just saying.

“For some reason” is to increase profitability. If they can sell you the same vehicle, and uplift the price a couple grand, by calling it an SUV or a CUV, they will. That is what Crossovers are. It is the same as a normal sedan underneath.

What wool do you think is being pulled over the public’s eyes? If anything it is a move to less fuel efficient vehicles, because crossovers are heavier and taller than their car counterparts.

 

[Racey]

When Musk hit the scene with the Tesla Roadster, people said "How dumb, who wants an golf cart with a body", That was 10 years ago, Now he has a car that can just about drive itself.

That was 6 years AFTER he founded Space X, in 2002, which people also said was 'stupid', and 'how are you going to compete against NASA'. Well now Musk's rocket technology makes NASA look like fisher price.

2 Years ago around Feb 2016 I was sitting at dinner with one of the smartest people i have ever met, a long time friend of my extended family, this guy developed and patented many of the alloy formulas and processes for Timet (Titanium Metals Corp), He said 1 year from now Telsa's stock will be half, if the company even exists. (Well it's been 2 years and the stock has gained substantially since)

I think some people need to re-evaluate their bias against Musk, because it certainly seems to be clouding their judgement of what the guy has pulled off.

we can all knock the subsidies, etc, but he's just playing the game by the rules that have been in place.

This thread will be another interesting one to look back on in 2, 3, 5 years....

 

[pronstar]

Look around you, more people buy cars than SUV's. The vehicle manufacturers are readjusting to their most profitable vehicles & eliminating cars for some reason. I suspect it's because the car market will be changing. Don't get caught up in believing what is told to you in the media.

Just saying.

This simply isn’t true.

That “some reason” is that customers don’t want cars, they want crossovers.

This isn’t media spin.
This is reality.

The market used to be a 50/50 mix of cars to light trucks.
It’s now nearly 2/3 trucks 1/3 cars, and the share of cars is shrinking.


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[nowski]

Tesla is currently touring with Styx and Joan Jett. If Tesla collapses on stage I'll let everyone know...

Seven pages, seriously...

 

[Justfishing]

Is

When Musk hit the scene with the Tesla Roadster, people said "How dumb, who wants an golf cart with a body", That was 10 years ago, Now he has a car that can just about drive itself.

That was 6 years AFTER he founded Space X, in 2002, which people also said was 'stupid', and 'how are you going to compete against NASA'. Well now Musk's rocket technology makes NASA look like fisher price.

2 Years ago around Feb 2016 I was sitting at dinner with one of the smartest people i have ever met, a long time friend of my extended family, this guy developed and patented many of the alloy formulas and processes for Timet (Titanium Metals Corp), He said 1 year from now Telsa's stock will be half, if the company even exists. (Well it's been 2 years and the stock has gained substantially since)

I think some people need to re-evaluate their bias against Musk, because it certainly seems to be clouding their judgement of what the guy has pulled off.

we can all knock the subsidies, etc, but he's just playing the game by the rules that have been in place.

This thread will be another interesting one to look back on in 2, 3, 5 years....

The job of business is to make money by providing a product people want at a cost that is affordable. Space x profit on sales of $1b was 0.2 percent- less than 1 percent.

15 years ago the CEO of UPRR said that if they couldn't be more profitable than a 3% return the company should liquidated. That is 15 times the profit of SpaceX

 

[jet496]

This simply isn’t true.

That “some reason” is that customers don’t want cars, they want crossovers.

This isn’t media spin.
This is reality.

The market used to be a 50/50 mix of cars to light trucks.
It’s now nearly 2/3 trucks 1/3 cars, and the share of cars is shrinking.


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Guess I better look up WTF crossovers are. LOL. All good food for thought.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When Musk hit the scene with the Tesla Roadster, people said "How dumb, who wants an golf cart with a body", That was 10 years ago, Now he has a car that can just about drive itself.

That was 6 years AFTER he founded Space X, in 2002, which people also said was 'stupid', and 'how are you going to compete against NASA'. Well now Musk's rocket technology makes NASA look like fisher price.

2 Years ago around Feb 2016 I was sitting at dinner with one of the smartest people i have ever met, a long time friend of my extended family, this guy developed and patented many of the alloy formulas and processes for Timet (Titanium Metals Corp), He said 1 year from now Telsa's stock will be half, if the company even exists. (Well it's been 2 years and the stock has gained substantially since)

I think some people need to re-evaluate their bias against Musk, because it certainly seems to be clouding their judgement of what the guy has pulled off.

we can all knock the subsidies, etc, but he's just playing the game by the rules that have been in place.

This thread will be another interesting one to look back on in 2, 3, 5 years....

So are you willing to buy the stock given the current financial picture?

I think 2,3,5 years from now Tesla will be owned by the Indians or the Chinese

There are probably 7 other car conglomerates that are competing to take Tesla market share in the next few years. Their lead on the market is running out, and they don’t have the economies of scale to compete.

Even on the autonomous front, other manufacturers will have so many cars on the road gathering data, they could lose their lead there too.

To be honest if they just admitted and acted like what what they really are - a boutique electric car company -instead of promising to build half a million cars next year, there would be a lot less negative sentiment.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Guess I better look up WTF crossovers are. LOL. All good food for thought.

They are just tall bodied cars with hatchbacks. Toyota Rav 4, Highlander, Ford Edge, Explorer, Escape, Honda CRV, HRV, All 5 door Subaru’s etc.

 

[Uncle Dave]

When Musk hit the scene with the Tesla Roadster, people said "How dumb, who wants an golf cart with a body", That was 10 years ago, Now he has a car that can just about drive itself.

That was 6 years AFTER he founded Space X, in 2002, which people also said was 'stupid', and 'how are you going to compete against NASA'. Well now Musk's rocket technology makes NASA look like fisher price.

2 Years ago around Feb 2016 I was sitting at dinner with one of the smartest people i have ever met, a long time friend of my extended family, this guy developed and patented many of the alloy formulas and processes for Timet (Titanium Metals Corp), He said 1 year from now Telsa's stock will be half, if the company even exists. Well it's been 2 years and the stock has gained substantially since)

I think some people need to re-evaluate their bias against Musk, because it certainly seems to be clouding their judgement of what the guy has pulled off.

we can all knock the subsidies, etc, but he's just playing the game by the rules that have been in place.

This thread will be another interesting one to look back on in 2, 3, 5 years....

I know right?

The entire world has told the guy he couldn't everything that he's done including everything you said above plus a coast coast high speed charging network

Guys talking about subsidies get real selective ignoring everyone else thats lost a ton of money borrowed billions from the US treasury and or gone completely bankrupt effectively robbing the investors (GM)- other guys don't understand the difference between investor money and taxpayer money.

I guess many here would rather a European guy do all this or a Chinese billionaire, but no - it was all done by a guy who came here because America is the only country that allows unlimited entrepreneurial enterprise.

That guy has changed the world and continues to do so.

UD

 

[regor]

"Why Do They Keep Doing It?" Tesla On Autopilot Crashes Into Parked Laguna Beach Cop Car

 

[Uncle Dave]

When people do things they shouldn't do and something happens - the very first thing they do is blame the car.

UD

 

[beaverretriever]

Fuck going green.Its a scam and stupid people buy in to this shit.Wanna be green,ride a bike.This guy is a total jackoff and a fraud.

ROTFLMAO! My wife and I were at a stop light on our bicycles and there was a Prius with so many stickers about being green. We just chuckled to ourselves. I love how someone buys a Tesla, Prius or some sort of (green) vehicle and they become so high and mighty about saving the earth.

We own a lifted 2018 super crew truck (we have an AR-15.com, American flag and Nautique stickers in the back window) and I bet my wife and I have less impact on the earth than most of those clowns because we ride our bikes 99% of the time. Now, I am high and mighty!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I know right?

The entire world has told the guy he couldn't everything that he's done including everything you said above plus a coast coast high speed charging network

Guys talking about subsidies get real selective ignoring everyone else thats lost a ton of money borrowed billions from the US treasury and or gone completely bankrupt effectively robbing the investors (GM)- other guys don't understand the difference between investor money and taxpayer money.

I guess many here would rather a European guy do all this or a Chinese billionaire, but no - it was all done by a guy who came here because America is the only country that allows unlimited entrepreneurial enterprise.

That guy has changed the world and continues to do so.

UD

UD,

I think far fewer people would have a problem with it if the guy was honest about the pricing, capability, performance, and availability of the product he produces.