Tesla Continues to collapse.

[Flatsix66]

Hope Tesla keeps it up. I love our model 3, and am excited to see what they come up with next month with the truck reveal.

Ditto. Hopefully they get to the point they are too big to fail. I consider myself a car guy, usually buy the "good deal" sports car of the time including three recent Porsches, but our model 3 performance beats all the others as a daily driver sports car. Think we will keep our 05 Lotus as a reminder of the best manual /analog driving, light weight cars were back in our day!

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Can't wait to hear more about the truck. Musk claims it will outperform the Ford f150..

 

[HNL2LHC]

Can't wait to hear more about the truck. Musk claims it will outperform the Ford f150..

Performance, off-road OR towing ability? :looking:

 

[spectras only]

Performance, off-road OR towing ability? :looking:

it would have too have one of these on the roof for any real towing with distance to boot.

 

[rrrr]

Can't wait to hear more about the truck. Musk claims it will outperform the Ford f150..

He's claimed a lot of things. In February, he said Tesla would build 500,000 cars in 2019. Right now it appears he was off by about 140,000, which represents more than $7 billion in revenue.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Not sure how towing would work with the current supercharger set up. You’d have to un hook somewhere and then back in as usual.

I’m not interested in a street truck, even though that rendering looks awesome, but something closer to the Rivian with OR capabilities would fit the bill.

 

[Uncle Dave]

He's claimed a lot of things. In February, he said Tesla would build 500,000 cars in 2019. Right now it appears he was off by about 140,000, which represents more than $7 billion in revenue.

Pretty sure the claim was 400K. He walked back 5 to 4 in the very same tweet,

Stuff like this is why its better if we dont hear from him at all.


UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

Not sure how towing would work with the current supercharger set up. You’d have to un hook somewhere and then back in as usual.

I’m not interested in a street truck, even though that rendering looks awesome, but something closer to the Rivian with OR capabilities would fit the bill.

It wouldnt replace my half ton- No pull trough infrastructure not enough range under load- unless the while bed and subframe is a battery pack which it may end up being.

It may effectively replace my mid sized truck.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Can't wait to hear more about the truck. Musk claims it will outperform the Ford f150..

Better check with the towing police on that one.

 

[Waterjunky]

I see it potentially taking a real slice of the 1/2 ton and mid size market. Think about that market a little, at least half or more of those sold are to people that don't generally need a truck. They may want one to run to home depo on the weekend or use it as a tow vehicle to splash their boat in the river or nearby lake. It doesn't need to be a great truck to excel at this kind of duty. it needs to be a great car with a little bit of limited truck capability. The electric pattern would excel at this type of use.

 

[riverroyal]

im almost a buyer with the 'Y'. They are getting closer to a guy like me.

 

[motormonkey]

The tesla truck looks pretty bitchen design wise but a Pure elec just doesnt do it for me yet. If Toyota ever up scaled the prius concept into a truck, they would kill it in sales.

 

[Uncle Dave]

I see it potentially taking a real slice of the 1/2 ton and mid size market. Think about that market a little, at least half or more of those sold are to people that don't generally need a truck. They may want one to run to home depo on the weekend or use it as a tow vehicle to splash their boat in the river or nearby lake. It doesn't need to be a great truck to excel at this kind of duty. it needs to be a great car with a little bit of limited truck capability. The electric pattern would excel at this type of use.

If it breaks the 6K GVW mark it will qualify for 179 - which makes it a total no brainer.

 

[Uncle Dave]

im almost a buyer with the 'Y'. They are getting closer to a guy like me. View attachment 810392

The model Y is going to be the rig for Tesla.

Teh 3 was a sedan in an SUV market- Im amazed it did as well as it did for them.

 

[spectras only]

The truck above looks good, not that I'd buy one though. The model 3 looks like a bar of soap with one end cut off with a knife to make the front end. What happened to the saying, the front grille makes the look of a car?
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/04/05/15-greatest-car-grilles

I love this one

 

[Uncle Dave]

The truck above looks good, not that I'd buy one though. The model 3 looks like a bar of soap with one end cut off with a knife to make the front end. What happened to the saying, the front grille makes the look of a car?
https://www.hagerty.com/articles-videos/articles/2018/04/05/15-greatest-car-grilles

I love this one

The need for Aero to override looks is what happened.


UD

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The need for Aero to override looks is what happened.


UD

The original Model S has a faux front grill. I liked it much better than the midcycle refresh non grille version personally.

The grill free front design is just part of their I Robot design language. Overall the cars are pretty good looking.

 

[Uncle Dave]

The original Model S has a faux front grill. I liked it much better than the midcycle refresh non grille version personally.

The grill free front design is just part of their I Robot design language. Overall the cars are pretty good looking.

seems to me a body kit that looked cool would sell even if it killed aero somewhat.

 

[spectras only]

The need for Aero to override looks is what happened.


UD

Big Deal UD. My friend's Tatra 77 average drag coefficient was recorded as 0.2455.

Model 3 has a drag coefficient (Cd) of just 0.23,

Hans Ledvinka designed the Tatra in the 30's You should be a fan of Tatra

If you want to read about some real pioneers, read here about my distant relative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kálmán_Kandó
He was educated at the Budapest Technical University where he gained a diploma in mechanical engineering. He worked in France as a junior engineer designing and developing Nikola Tesla's induction motor.
In 1894, Kálmán Kandó developed high-voltage three phase alternating current motors and generators for electric locomotives ; he is known as the father of the electric train.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

seems to me a body kit that looked cool would sell even if it killed aero somewhat.

Well the grill was fake, so it probably didn't change anything from an aero perspective.

 

[spectras only]

Have found memories riding in these original cars as a kid. It was the first Metro in Continantal Europe, began service in 1986. The cars were built in England.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Having an "electric only" vehicle in CA sounds real shitty right about now, watching utilities routinely cut power when it's windy and leave people without power when the fires start and it's then time to evacuate.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Big Deal UD. My friend's Tatra 77 average drag coefficient was recorded as 0.2455.

Model 3 has a drag coefficient (Cd) of just 0.23,

Hans Ledvinka designed the Tatra in the 30's You should be a fan of Tatra

If you want to read about some real pioneers, read here about my distant relative
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kálmán_Kandó
He was educated at the Budapest Technical University where he gained a diploma in mechanical engineering. He worked in France as a junior engineer designing and developing Nikola Tesla's induction motor.
In 1894, Kálmán Kandó developed high-voltage three phase alternating current motors and generators for electric locomotives ; he is known as the father of the electric train.

Is it a big deal because the tatra was so good for its day?
Because the model 3 is only a bit better ?
Or that nearly every car ever made is much worse even with modern design software and wind tunnel access?

Interesting guy- thanks for the link didnt know him prior - always cool to learn new things.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Having an "electric only" vehicle in CA sounds real shitty right about now, watching utilities routinely cut power when it's windy and leave people without power when the fires start and it's then time to evacuate.

yeah.....I'm in Northern California and have been for about a month- its been fun let me tell you.

Gas stations don't work when the power is out either- so you are equally fucked.

That said I can charge a tesla from a genset, or a roof although both are slow - I cannot make gasoline at home.

UD

 

[Boat 405]

yeah.....I'm in Northern California and have been for about a month- its been fun let me tell you.

Gas stations don't work when the power is out either- so you are equally fucked.

That said I can charge a tesla from a genset, or a roof although both are slow - I cannot make gasoline at home.

UD

What do you power your generator with?

 

[Uncle Dave]

What do you power your generator with?

Which one?

We have natural gas, gas, propane, and diesel.

Lets say you just have gas - you can put it in a genet and power your house or some of it and trickle your car, but if you dump your gas in your car you cant run anything in your house with that.

Lots of guys up North here have the whole house natural gas rigs giving them a fairly unlimited supply of power in a safety shut off like what's happening today - these guys are hosed in a fire or earthquake when that stuff gets shut down.

Right now as I type were running the IT department off gasoline. The gas stations will all go down her min under an hour.


UD

 

[Boat 405]

I’ve got 1000 gallons of propane and a propane Generac. I figure I’m good for a while. 55 gallons of diesel and 30 gallons of gasoline that gets cycled out every few weeks. My biggest concern is water. Yeah I have a 500 gallon spa that I can RO filter and use for drinking, the waste water from the RO can go to the toilets. But that won’t go far. A week probably

 

[Wicky]

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I see it potentially taking a real slice of the 1/2 ton and mid size market. Think about that market a little, at least half or more of those sold are to people that don't generally need a truck. They may want one to run to home depo on the weekend or use it as a tow vehicle to splash their boat in the river or nearby lake. It doesn't need to be a great truck to excel at this kind of duty. it needs to be a great car with a little bit of limited truck capability. The electric pattern would excel at this type of use.

The problem is that it will cost 50% more cost than “regular” truck.

 

[pronstar]

I’ve got 1000 gallons of propane and a propane Generac. I figure I’m good for a while. 55 gallons of diesel and 30 gallons of gasoline that gets cycled out every few weeks. My biggest concern is water. Yeah I have a 500 gallon spa that I can RO filter and use for drinking, the waste water from the RO can go to the toilets. But that won’t go far. A week probably

Liquid fuels go bad, we all know that.
But what about propane, does it have a shelf life in a sealed, pressurized tank?


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[LargeOrangeFont]

yeah.....I'm in Northern California and have been for about a month- its been fun let me tell you.

Gas stations don't work when the power is out either- so you are equally fucked.

That said I can charge a tesla from a genset, or a roof although both are slow - I cannot make gasoline at home.

UD

An overnight charge on 110v got 55 miles of range on an Tesla S. The spare 2 gallons I keep on hand for my generator will get me close to that, or further (depending on the car).

It’s a sad situation either way. The good news is that in an emergency situation in CA you can probably get to “safety” or “power” within 100 miles.

 

[Boat 405]

Liquid fuels go bad, we all know that.
But what about propane, does it have a shelf life in a sealed, pressurized tank?


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Not sure, good question.

 

[spectras only]

Liquid fuels go bad, we all know that.
But what about propane, does it have a shelf life in a sealed, pressurized tank?


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There were times when I didn't use my BBQ for well over a year. It did fire up no problem when I was ready to use again. It cooked food as fast as before

 

[Uncle Dave]

I dont know that it has a shelf life...
problem with propane is its energy density

Diesel
-20% gas
-20% Propane

Its 40% down on diesel and 20% down on gasoline

 

[Taboma]

The model Y is going to be the rig for Tesla.

Teh 3 was a sedan in an SUV market- Im amazed it did as well as it did for them.

They need to change the Y's appearance. I like the looks of the S and 3 series, but I think the Y ranks near the top of the ugliest thing on the road --- right along with the Pontiac Aztek That half-way between a car and suv (Crossover) look is just ugly.

 

[Flatsix66]

Guys will buy the trucks....put superchargers next to strip clubs and micro brews.

 

[Mandelon]

Tesla cars are so S3XY

LOL

 

[Racey]

Liquid fuels go bad, we all know that.
But what about propane, does it have a shelf life in a sealed, pressurized tank?


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No, it's a simple hydrocarbon, I don't believe it can stale like gasoline.

 

[Yellowboat]

Liquid fuels go bad, we all know that.
But what about propane, does it have a shelf life in a sealed, pressurized tank?


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My understanding is the container is the issue not the fuel. Propane is just that, the hydrocarbon propane plus a very small ammount of a mercaptin( the smelly chemical). The service live of a tank is what 25 years or so?

 

[sirbob]

I dont know that it has a shelf life...
problem with propane is its energy density

Diesel
-20% gas
-20% Propane

Its 40% down on diesel and 20% down on gasoline

In laymen terms - what does that mean?

Does that mean that a gallon of diesel burns as 1.4 gallons of propane?

 

[Yellowboat]

In laymen terms - what does that mean?

Does that mean that a gallon of diesel burns as 1.4 gallons of propane?

In basic terms yes. It's not that simple, but energy density is every thing when it comes too potential power out put.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Hit an all-time high today.

UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

It seems Elons finally learning to STFU, or at least be extremely measured with his mouth or fingers.

UD

 

[pronstar]

It seems Elons finally learning to...be extremely measured with his mouth or fingers.

UD

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[napanutt]

According to this Model 3 FB group I belong to they can’t deliver the model 3’s fast enough.

 

[pronstar]

Getting cars to consumers has been a pain-point for Tesla.

I haven’t followed this too closely since summertime, but I don’t believe they’ve adequately addressed the issue.


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[Uncle Dave]

Good time to reflect on history and some of the utterly ridiculous stuff previously spewed.......

Looks like the arabs should have bought in...

UD

 

[Uncle Dave]

That’s not really how it works.
Carmaker ads are scrutinized by the FTC.

If I advertise a car with a low msrp, I have to show inventory for that car in the markets where the ad runs.

Our lawyers will require it, and the FTC can - and does - demand proof of said inventory.

If a carmaker advertises a low MSRP, then states they aren’t gonna make that model, and there’s no dealer inventory of that model...fines and cease/desist demands are coming.

Why these rules don’t apply to Tesla is anyone’s guess.

All of this is totally different and had nothing to do with a dealer marking a car up from MSRP.


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Lets revisit this discussion -

Where is the 59,995.00 C8 Vette at? That's where Chevy says the car starts at.

UD

 

[LHC Kirby]

Another option coming, a friend of mine is one of the engineers.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/23/riv...=iosappshare|com.apple.UIKit.activity.Message

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Tesla is at an all time high.
Their space program is going strong, and see more and more Tesla car's on the road.

I'm not a fan of the battery, but in my life time, I've see huge improvements in storage technology.

It's going to be a toss up what happens first: Cold Fusion or an elevator to the moon.