Speed UTV take 3

[Bpracing1127]

Its not possibly, its true lol. Speed has not raised the bar on anything that any new machine coming out right now has copied. What parts of the Speed do you think raised the bar?

I will say, having parts that are the same on all 4 corners is huge in my mind.

Hubs
Axles
Brakes
Ect

The last thing, still widely known untested is the 3 speed tranny

 

[rivermobster]

Its not possibly, its true lol. Speed has not raised the bar on anything that any new machine coming out right now has copied. What parts of the Speed do you think raised the bar?

Honestly? Not a damm thing.

What I DO think though is they made it clear to the other manufacturers that a higher price point was not going to be detrimental to sales.

If ya think back to when the Speed team was saying things like they were going to blow away the competition?

It's too bad they didn't know what apparently all you guys seem to know?

 

[ZSTIV]

Its not possibly, its true lol. Speed has not raised the bar on anything that any new machine coming out right now has copied. What parts of the Speed do you think raised the bar?

LMAO

 

[sandshark1]

Its not possibly, its true lol. Speed has not raised the bar on anything that any new machine coming out right now has copied. What parts of the Speed do you think raised the bar?

Speed has raised the bar on robotic welds looking good. They have also raised the bar on what how long "30 days out" means. LMAO!!!

Speed coming with legit 5 point harnesses is a plus.

 

[rivermobster]

@Fishd00d

I seriously do think they raised the bar in the looks department though. The white one to me looks bad azz.

Personally, I don't buy things based on looks alone though. I prefer dependability.

Clearly I'm in the minority around here.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Speed has raised the bar on robotic welds looking good. They have also raised the bar on what how long "30 days out" means. LMAO!!!

Speed coming with legit 5 point harnesses is a plus.

There tons more, being able to swap A-arms around is huge, I like the hydraulic PS, the Chassis design and Suspension geometry, custom wraps/stickers, 3 Speed trans, properly shanked bolts, custom head sizes so most of the car only takes a couple different wrenchs, an actual usable bed, with a low mounted spare. I'm sure I'm missing a few things, while not ALL of it actually game changing, it's not stuff offered by anyone else.
And while the prices now are about the same as a ProR, my original price was $32K, and $44, with all my accessories, which is quite alot.

 

[ZSTIV]

There tons more, being able to swap A-arms around is huge, I like the hydraulic PS, the Chassis design and Suspension geometry, custom wraps/stickers, 3 Speed trans, properly shanked bolts, custom head sizes so most of the car only takes a couple different wrenchs, an actual usable bed, with a low mounted spare. I'm sure I'm missing a few things, while not ALL of it actually game changing, it's not stuff offered by anyone else.
And while the prices now are about the same as a ProR, my original price was $32K, and $44, with all my accessories, which is quite alot.

Its pretty hilarious that some people think they haven't raised the bar on anything lol
You pointed out some good items.
There is a lot more and at this point its not even worth arguing over anymore, especially when its people that had to put in another 30-50K in mods to their cars.

 

[sandshark1]

There tons more, being able to swap A-arms around is huge, I like the hydraulic PS, the Chassis design and Suspension geometry, custom wraps/stickers, 3 Speed trans, properly shanked bolts, custom head sizes so most of the car only takes a couple different wrenchs, an actual usable bed, with a low mounted spare. I'm sure I'm missing a few things, while not ALL of it actually game changing, it's not stuff offered by anyone else.
And while the prices now are about the same as a ProR, my original price was $32K, and $44, with all my accessories, which is quite alot.

Those are all good things Speed offers. You will see if the Speed UTV meets your expectations soon.

 

[sandshark1]

Its pretty hilarious that some people think they haven't raised the bar on anything lol
You pointed out some good items.
There is a lot more and at this point its not even worth arguing over anymore, especially when its people that had to put in another 30-50K in mods to their cars.

Speed has a lot of cool design features and some cool practical stuff. From the list on some of the Speed for sale ads those owner were not far behind sinking $15k - $20 into their Speed cars. Only difference is Speed gets all their money versus aftermarket vendors.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Those are all good things Speed offers. You will see if the Speed UTV meets your expectations soon.

Since I've never owned a SXS, it probably won't be hard to meet them, and technically mine is for the wife.

 

[Fishd00d]

Its pretty hilarious that some people think they haven't raised the bar on anything lol
You pointed out some good items.
There is a lot more and at this point its not even worth arguing over anymore, especially when its people that had to put in another 30-50K in mods to their cars.

I was asking the question seriously. I was wondering what people thought was raising the level.

I will agree the welds on the speed look the best, the geometry is good also but its nothing new there, its the same as buggies have been for years.

Its cool being able to order the car with accessories on it, I guess they changed the accessory game in that way kinda?

What else?

 

[RiverDave]

I will say, having parts that are the same on all 4 corners is huge in my mind.

Hubs
Axles
Brakes
Ect

The last thing, still widely known untested is the 3 speed tranny

New wheel design.. new bolt
Design (special kinda shoulder bolt) and about a hundred other things

 

[MonkeyButt70]

When I think of raising the bar, I would use the analogy of when Polaris went from the Ranger to RZR, that was a paradigm shift in the SXS market. Speed has introduced some innovations but nothing that turned the SXS market on its head other than market share disruption, in my feeble opinion.

 

[ZSTIV]

I was asking the question seriously. I was wondering what people thought was raising the level.

I will agree the welds on the speed look the best, the geometry is good also but its nothing new there, its the same as buggies have been for years.

Its cool being able to order the car with accessories on it, I guess they changed the accessory game in that way kinda?

What else?

I am definitely not talking about a PCI headsets and light bars.

Suspension, suspension components, seats, belts, cage, shouldered bolts, overall chassis design and geometry. The list goes on. (If you want all the details, I suggest going to watch all of the weekly videos, it will open you eyes to a lot of small details that they payed attention to during the engineering process. The speed car has stepped up the game in the UTV industry and I know that is the opinion of most that have driven it. Polaris boys on the trip down to Baja with Nick stated that the suspension and geometry of the car is second to none, thought their Polaris was good, but doesn't even come close. Not my words, but those of Polaris drivers. Still needs to prove itself in the wild.

So its been out forever like you said, buggies and all big off road toys use a trailing arm design for a reason, so I agree with you on that. Then why has Polaris or Canam done it?

Again the small details on the speed are what make it a game changer, you have to know what those are first though, so again id go watch the videos

 

[Fishd00d]

I am definitely not talking about a PCI headsets and light bars.

Suspension, suspension components, seats, belts, cage, shouldered bolts, overall chassis design and geometry. The list goes on. (If you want all the details, I suggest going to watch all of the weekly videos, it will open you eyes to a lot of small details that they payed attention to during the engineering process. The speed car has stepped up the game in the UTV industry and I know that is the opinion of most that have driven it. Polaris boys on the trip down to Baja with Nick stated that the suspension and geometry of the car is second to none, thought their Polaris was good, but doesn't even come close. Not my words, but those of Polaris drivers. Still needs to prove itself in the wild.

So its been out forever like you said, buggies and all big off road toys use a trailing arm design for a reason, so I agree with you on that. Then why has Polaris or Canam done it?

Again the small details on the speed are what make it a game changer, you have to know what those are first though, so again id go watch the videos

Copy that I guess I better go do a little more research then

 

[ZSTIV]

Copy that I guess I better go do a little more research then

lol
no for you fish, you just need to get into one and drive it

 

[Albacore]

I was asking the question seriously. I was wondering what people thought was raising the level.

I will agree the welds on the speed look the best, the geometry is good also but its nothing new there, its the same as buggies have been for years.

Its cool being able to order the car with accessories on it, I guess they changed the accessory game in that way kinda?

What else?

Some things here that one could say were new or improved. Also safety minded design such as collapsible, steering wheel shaft, B pillar bar and V bracing front rear, and spline on top of cage, five point seatbelt, harnesses and seats that are about safety and not needing to upgrade.

* Axles are double plunge, 300M stars, same used in RG’s Dakar race UTVs
* Largest in industry ring and pinion in both front and rear
* Patented locking CV mechanism built into front/rear differentials
* Front differential (transaxle) is a single, complete unit
* Cast and machined aluminum unit
* Mechanical “dogged” locker in the front allows for shifting in and out of 4×4 locked on the fly
* Easily removable and replaceable if there is significant front end damage
* Torque limiter built in to help reduce wear from large impacts between front/rear end of car
* Front and rear differentials are the same ratios (wheel turn 1:1)
* Large, 4 spider front differential
* Tongue and groove connection between main chassis and front bulkhead bolts in with 8 bolts + ties into both lower rear A-arm mount bolts
* Plates where A posts bolt into above and on the side of the bulkhead
* Transmission
* 3 speed (P-R-N-Lo-Hi-Cruise) CVT with shift on the fly (dogged)
* Infrared belt temperature sensor with handicaps built in to manage belt life – feature bypassable via a switch (think traction control)
* Albins and Weddle assistance in transmission design
* Largest input shaft in the industry
* Primary drive gear 2.5x wider than XX
* Torque limiter (essentially a clutch) built into loading gear to help save transmission by separating input shaft from ring/pinion – acts as a “sponge” to slip and absorb large impacts when pushing the machine harder

 

[Albacore]

New wheel design.. new bolt
Design (special kinda shoulder bolt) and about a hundred other things

Yes, the way the wheel or rim however, you want to call it or carried on the spindle four bolts on his system is a lot more stronger than probably even six bolts in normal design. The bead lock being on the face of the wheel is another thing along with how that contributes to the geometry design being more proper.

 

[ZSTIV]

Some things here that one could say were new or improved. Also safety minded design such as collapsible, steering wheel shaft, B pillar bar and V bracing front rear, and spline on top of cage, five point seatbelt, harnesses and seats that are about safety and not needing to upgrade.

* Axles are double plunge, 300M stars, same used in RG’s Dakar race UTVs
* Largest in industry ring and pinion in both front and rear
* Patented locking CV mechanism built into front/rear differentials
* Front differential (transaxle) is a single, complete unit
* Cast and machined aluminum unit
* Mechanical “dogged” locker in the front allows for shifting in and out of 4×4 locked on the fly
* Easily removable and replaceable if there is significant front end damage
* Torque limiter built in to help reduce wear from large impacts between front/rear end of car
* Front and rear differentials are the same ratios (wheel turn 1:1)
* Large, 4 spider front differential
* Tongue and groove connection between main chassis and front bulkhead bolts in with 8 bolts + ties into both lower rear A-arm mount bolts
* Plates where A posts bolt into above and on the side of the bulkhead
* Transmission
* 3 speed (P-R-N-Lo-Hi-Cruise) CVT with shift on the fly (dogged)
* Infrared belt temperature sensor with handicaps built in to manage belt life – feature bypassable via a switch (think traction control)
* Albins and Weddle assistance in transmission design
* Largest input shaft in the industry
* Primary drive gear 2.5x wider than XX
* Torque limiter (essentially a clutch) built into loading gear to help save transmission by separating input shaft from ring/pinion – acts as a “sponge” to slip and absorb large impacts when pushing the machine harder

These are definitely some of the "SMALL" details I was talking about.
thank you Albacore!

 

[Albacore]

When I think of raising the bar, I would use the analogy of when Polaris went from the Ranger to RZR, that was a paradigm shift in the SXS market. Speed has introduced some innovations but nothing that turned the SXS market on its head other than market share disruption, in my feeble opinion.

I get what you’re saying, but if I don’t have to go out and upgrade my shocks upgrade, my cage, upgrade my arms, upgrade this upgrade that I am saving money overtime and getting something that is what the other guys are not doing.

 

[Santee_Native]

Prewired for accessories.

 

[riverroyal]

I get what you’re saying, but if I don’t have to go out and upgrade my shocks upgrade, my cage, upgrade my arms, upgrade this upgrade that I am saving money overtime and getting something that is what the other guys are not doing.

How does anyone know what needs upgrading? Nobody thought the X3 or RZR needed anything when it was BRAND new. Compared to a Rhino is was 'state of the art turn key'
Speed owners will be changing/upgrading shit just like the others. Give it time...

 

[sandshark1]

Since I've never owned a SXS, it probably won't be hard to meet them, and technically mine is for the wife.

It might be slightly faster than the Class 11 in your avatar. Not sure it will handle the whoops as good. LOL!!!

 

[RiverDave]

How does anyone know what needs upgrading? Nobody thought the X3 or RZR needed anything when it was BRAND new. Compared to a Rhino is was 'state of the art turn key'
Speed owners will be changing/upgrading shit just like the others. Give it time...

Because it’s already pretty much the best of what’s available right now. Boxed an arms came factory. Oversized bypass shocks are stock. 300m axles are stock etc.. not sure how you’d improve on some of this stuff?

 

[sandshark1]

Prewired for accessories.

Makes it nice for those that don't want to spend the time on wiring. Wildcat XX was prewired.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

How does anyone know what needs upgrading? Nobody thought the X3 or RZR needed anything when it was BRAND new. Compared to a Rhino is was 'state of the art turn key'
Speed owners will be changing/upgrading shit just like the others. Give it time...

They’ve already proven your point! Every ad I’ve seen for the ones for sale have at least 10k in add ons. That’s to a car that hasn’t even been built yet just wait until they actually get the cars I’m guessing most will end up being at the same if the started with a can am or even more when all is said and done.

 

[RiverDave]

They’ve already proven your point! Every ad I’ve seen for the ones for sale have at least 10k in add ons. That’s to a car that hasn’t even been built yet just wait until they actually get the cars I’m guessing most will end up being at the same if the started with a can am or even more when all is said and done.

It is all add ons though. Not things necessary to make the car survive or safe.. lol

 

[Boatymcboatface]

It is all add ons though. Not things necessary to make the car survive or safe.. lol

For now

 

[Fishd00d]

Because it’s already pretty much the best of what’s available right now. Boxed an arms came factory. Oversized bypass shocks are stock. 300m axles are stock etc.. not sure how you’d improve on some of this stuff?

Its not the best if its not reliable. So far the Speed cars have been anything BUT reliable. Every single one of them has had some issues. Lets see if that changes with time.

 

[sandshark1]

It is all add ons though. Not things necessary to make the car survive or safe.. lol

and about 90% of the stuff on most SXS are add ons.

 

[Albacore]

They’ve already proven your point! Every ad I’ve seen for the ones for sale have at least 10k in add ons. That’s to a car that hasn’t even been built yet just wait until they actually get the cars I’m guessing most will end up being at the same if the started with a can am or even more when all is said and done.

Accessories such as light bars , radios ,etc vs upgrades such as complete arms, cage , wheels etc are two different things.

I added a windshield, a spare tire and a few other small things you do not have to do anything when it comes to accessories. Just to note that if you bought your accessories through Speed by a certain date, you paid nothing extra to have them installed and just like the price of the car you got them for less then what they are now. I don’t think they even charge taxes until the day you pick it up.

 

[Bpracing1127]

It is all add ons though. Not things necessary to make the car survive or safe.. lol

Pretty sure a stock car will survive 90% of people’s driving styles. They are for the most part safe as well.

There is a danger with any offroad vehicle (even trophy trucks)

 

[Albacore]

Its not the best if its not reliable. So far the Speed cars have been anything BUT reliable. Every single one of them has had some issues. Lets see if that changes with time.

Again, I get what you’re saying, but apples to apples, as much as you are involved in off-road motorsports you need to remember back when Polaris first came out and they started trying to race them. They didn’t make it to the first checkpoint. From the late 80s to probably about 2005 I never missed a single Baja 1000, 500, 250 or Mint. I saw it with my own eyes. Yes they have come along way now. Speed is brand new and if you bought in you had better had some expectations that it was going to not be trouble free. From what I have seen what problems have had since the first 10 people got their cars as if they’ve been on it and honest and open about trying to get everything fixed as quick as possible.

 

[ZSTIV]

It is all add ons though. Not things necessary to make the car survive or safe.. lol

exactly, they're talking about light bars lol We're talking about cages, A arms, shocks ect....

Its not the best if its not reliable. So far the Speed cars have been anything BUT reliable. Every single one of them has had some issues. Lets see if that changes with time.

The main components, motor and trans have been reliable so far, which was the biggest gamble on the whole car...
Reliability coming from a Polaris owner? lol

Have they had tweaks to make, yes. We will see when more hit the dirt.

 

[Fishd00d]

The main components, motor and trans have been reliable so far, which was the biggest gamble on the whole car...
Reliability coming from a Polaris owner? lol

Have they had tweaks to make, yes. We will see when more hit the dirt.

Did you miss the full recall on the trans to start with? Maybe they are good now time will tell. The motor has had issues with the oiling system a few times and they have had to redo some stuff on that system. Once again not perfect out of the gate. The Pro R has been a SUPER reliable car so far. I know multiple people with stock ones and they have had 0 issues. The only issues I know of were a few people broke balljoints when hitting a big G out (polars made bigger ones now) and there was a bad batch of a few clutches, thats it. There are no belt, cv, drivetrain, brake, other issues yet that I have seen.

 

[Albacore]

Did you miss the full recall on the trans to start with? Maybe they are good now till will tell. The motor has had issues with the oiling system a few times and they have had to redo some stuff on that system. Once again not perfect out of the gate. The Pro R has been a SUPER reliable car so far. I know multiple people with stock ones and they have had 0 issues. The only issues I know of were a few people broke balljoints when hitting a big G out (polars made bigger ones now) and there was a bad batch of a few clutches, thats it. There are no belt, cv, drivetrain, brake, other issues yet that I have seen.

Time will tell.

 

[sandshark1]

exactly, they're talking about light bars lol We're talking about cages, A arms, shocks ect....



The main components, motor and trans have been reliable so far, which was the biggest gamble on the whole car...
Reliability coming from a Polaris owner? lol

Have they had tweaks to make, yes. We will see when more hit the dirt.

Pretty sure a stock car will survive 90% of people’s driving styles. They are for the most part safe as well.

There is a danger with any offroad vehicle (even trophy trucks)

I agree.

 

[sandshark1]

Pretty sure a stock car will survive 90% of people’s driving styles. They are for the most part safe as well.

There is a danger with any offroad vehicle (even trophy trucks)

I agree

 

[Travmon]

View attachment 1261457

Dear lord. This is a challenge?? I've been over that exact same spot in our Ultra 4 and didn't give it a second thought.

The "hardcore" side by side folks sure are an interesting bunch.

Kinda reminds me of watching 3 people back a 8 second drag car into the lanes , bitches please !

 

[ZSTIV]

Did you miss the full recall on the trans to start with? Maybe they are good now time will tell. The motor has had issues with the oiling system a few times and they have had to redo some stuff on that system. Once again not perfect out of the gate. The Pro R has been a SUPER reliable car so far. I know multiple people with stock ones and they have had 0 issues. The only issues I know of were a few people broke balljoints when hitting a big G out (polars made bigger ones now) and there was a bad batch of a few clutches, thats it. There are no belt, cv, drivetrain, brake, other issues yet that I have seen.

Trans was early on, wasn't a design issue it was a manufacturing issue. Fixed in 45 days.
Oil system was not a problem in production cars, those got updated oil tanks and new baffling before it went to customers.
Again biggest issue was trans but that was again a manufacturing casting issue. Weddle help speed develop the trans, so ill take that over any other unit.
Seeee we got back to ball joints and you loose me lol

sorry but no proper off-road car has ball joints....

The PRO R is a pretty good all around car, no doubt and will exceed most expectations. But, they do not meet my standards, again my opinion.

 

[glamis0812]

I’ll take anyone on a ride in one of these ugly funco’s for this coming season but don’t blame me when you want one.

 

[MonkeyButt70]

Yes, the way the wheel or rim however, you want to call it or carried on the spindle four bolts on his system is a lot more stronger than probably even six bolts in normal design. The bead lock being on the face of the wheel is another thing along with how that contributes to the geometry design being more proper.

This was the KTM angle for dirt bikes. They came from factory with all the upgrades installed. I bought a KTM because of this, but ended up back on Hondas because the ergonomics and feel were best for my riding style. Im sure the same will happen with SXS enthusiasts, they will gravitate to their style.

 

[ZSTIV]

I’ll take anyone on a ride in one of these ugly funco’s for this coming season but don’t blame me when you want one. View attachment 1262448

That's the reason I dont want a ride lol
Its funny, my dad has a 4 seat Lothringer pre runner and I pretty much grew up with it even though I ride a WR450 now.

Problem is I cant afford that red car so I am getting a red car I can afford

 

[Travmon]

I want this one !

 

[Albacore]

This was the KTM angle for dirt bikes. They came from factory with all the upgrades installed. I bought a KTM because of this, but ended up back on Hondas because the ergonomics and feel were best for my riding style. Im sure the same will happen with SXS enthusiasts, they will gravitate to their style.

I went from 2 strokes to a 2000 Honda air cooled 400 4 stroke then ktm 525 liquid cooled 4 stroke until I had my accident at 2008 Baja 1000 I nearly lost my left foot which is when I got off bikes and got into four wheels. My only complaint with the KTM was when I pulled up to a red light if it took longer than 30 seconds, it could start to overheat they did have a small radiator fan that was an accessory and I put that on but it never worked 100%. As long as you were moving you were ok.

I’ve owned dozens of boats I’ve owned dozens of motorcycles, quads, JetSki’s, lawnmowers, Weedwhacker’s, etc. Nothing is perfect. They all have issues every now and then. Honda is my favorite but not in Sxs.

 

[arch stanton]

You guys Are a funny bunch...

A Funco sand rail isn't the best Looking car, but it out performs Everything out there.

I think it Looks bad azz. And the way that suspension looks? I can't wait to see the specs on how much travel it has.

Also looks like it could possibly have an active sway bar in the rear. Another page out of the BMW playbook.

The bar has officially been raised to the next level.

 

[arch stanton]

You only had to have an the funny looking funco if you wanted to haul 4 or 5 people on the ride of there life but they pioneered the radius look
My car was built in 2003 I think ,
I’m selfish the car is for my enjoyment, even adding my wife changes how the car handles and I have to slow down !

 

[EPL]

Again, I get what you’re saying, but apples to apples, as much as you are involved in off-road motorsports you need to remember back when Polaris first came out and they started trying to race them. They didn’t make it to the first checkpoint. From the late 80s to probably about 2005 I never missed a single Baja 1000, 500, 250 or Mint. I saw it with my own eyes. Yes they have come along way now. Speed is brand new and if you bought in you had better had some expectations that it was going to not be trouble free. From what I have seen what problems have had since the first 10 people got their cars as if they’ve been on it and honest and open about trying to get everything fixed as quick as possible.

Lets what the list of problems are when they have 100 , 200 , or maybe 1,000 cars out in the wild !.

 

[rivermobster]

You only had to have an the funny looking funco if you wanted to haul 4 or 5 people on the ride of there life but they pioneered the radius look
My car was built in 2003 I think ,
I’m selfish the car is for my enjoyment, even adding my wife changes how the car handles and I have to slow down !
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Bitchin car. Looks familiar...

Was that EPO car??

 

[arch stanton]

Bitchin car. Looks familiar...

Was that EPO car??

I never ran it in an EPO I bought it from a forum member Walt his forum name escapes me but I have had it since about 2010 he may have run it in one