Maverick R

[Racey]

These are good observations.

I don't know anything about SXSs, but am reasonably educated about front end geometry through racing experience. While it's obvious maximum vertical travel is a good thing, the engineers still have to solve camber, caster, and Ackerman issues when designing a successful suspension system.

And all while dealing with spatial constraints.

If you look at the new design, look at how much higher the upper control arm is mounted, it's almost in line with the upper shock mount. This means the middle section of the front chassis can be lighter for compression forces, less stress applied laterally across the upper box under the hood, and a ton of more room to get to stuff mounted inside the nose through the wheel wells.

People might be laughing now, but this might actually end up being a pretty solid design in the long run.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Weird how we can all watch the same video and come away with such different conclusions.

RD

@Bpracing1127

Speed finished 2nd.. they said the suspension was the best.

Handling - 2nd by one point with crappy brakes
Build structure - best
Interior cockpit - best
Fit and Finish - 2nd
Power and braking 3rd.

It isn't weird there are multiple conclusions. The rabid Speed haters will just make things up.

However the results are right here. They said if the car had better brakes it would have won the handling challenge.. And now Speed has better brake pads for it.

And this car tested was in the first dozen off the line for public consumption.

 

[Racey]

Talks about the reason for the link system, the DCT and system that shuts down a cylinder to keep the turbo spun up to avoid lag. Also 3 piston brakes.

So what they are doing here is letting 2 of the cylinders run with higher throttle opening and way reduced timing to heat the exhaust system and create more exhaust mass, they have to shut one of the cylinders down because if all 3 were running the idle speed would probably be 3-4k rpm in this mode.

Light the charge very late and a lot of energy is still there when the exhaust valve opens instead of going into the top of the piston to drive the motor.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Is this the speed thread part 4?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Is this the speed thread part 4?

Only if you make it that way.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

forgot court was in session.

 

[EmpirE231]

Definitely funky looking front end! I can already see the SxS crowd mounting some extra whips, LED lights or speaker pods off the tops of those spindles lol

 

[Flatsix66]

The lawyers designed the front suspension to reduce vehicle rollover...AKA Ford Explorer lawsuits.

 

[rrrr]

So what they are doing here is letting 2 of the cylinders run with higher throttle opening and way reduced timing to heat the exhaust system and create more exhaust mass, they have to shut one of the cylinders down because if all 3 were running the idle speed would probably be 3-4k rpm in this mode.

Light the charge very late and a lot of energy is still there when the exhaust valve opens instead of going into the top of the piston to drive the motor.

I hadn't watched the video before your comments. That's a really interesting idea. Now it's obvious to me why the exhaust and turbo have jacketing.

 

[77charger]

It’s all a numbers game. More travel on the spec sheet = more sales. Anyone that’s been in a real offroad car/truck should understand that more travel doesn’t mean shit. There’s trucks with 15” of travel that handle better than a lot of trucks with 20”+.

The Speed has less travel than all if it’s competition but handles the best.

But if Billy Bob and his wife are at Berts trying to buy their first sxs, seeing 26” on this or a Pro R will be a big deciding factor over the Speed with 21” or whatever it is.

It’s all about set up and a lighter car tick etc can get by with less travel too.

Agree on numbers some are sold on that vs how it really works

 

[Racey]

I hadn't watched the video before your comments. That's a really interesting idea. Now it's obvious to me why the exhaust and turbo have jacketing.

It's been done for years in racing, it's the same idea as "Launch Control" or "Anti Lag".

Launch control is used extensively in Turbocharged drag cars, Allows you to build turbo energy before launch. Listen to the exhaust "misfires" right before launch

Anti Lag on turbo charged road course cars. Keeps exhaust energy and turbo speed through braking/entry/apex so that when you come back on the throttle the turbo is still spooled.

 

[Wheeler]

It's been done for years in racing, it's the same idea as "Launch Control" or "Anti Lag".

Launch control is used extensively in Turbocharged drag cars, Allows you to build turbo energy before launch. Listen to the exhaust "misfires" right before launch

Anti Lag on turbo charged road course cars. Keeps exhaust energy and turbo speed through braking/entry/apex so that when you come back on the throttle the turbo is still spooled.

A friends son tunes that Lexuit.

 

[DLC]

can am Frt end explained

Berts Mega Mall on Instagram: "Here is a great explanation of the Maverick R’s all-new suspension system from @dustinbattleaxejones -someone with REAL seat time in this new #SXS - #maverickr #utv"

9,420 likes, 0 comments - bertsmegamall on August 21, 2023: "Here is a great explanation of the Maverick R’s all-new suspension system from @dustinbattleaxejones -someone with REAL seat time in this new #SXS - #maverickr #utv".

www.instagram.com

 

[Racey]

A friend of mines son tunes that Lexuit.

I know Shane T did a lot of work with them during the beginning. He is a very sharp guy.

I spent 2 days in a class he taught about 10 years ago just scratching the surface of the software inside those M1 boxes.

Me and DaveH use them extensively. In fact we were just down at Brummett's a couple weeks ago running a Gentry motor for a Schiada on his Dyno with one.

The boost control system is second to none in those MoTeC boxes. It is so configurable, and works so quickly and accurately it will blow your mind.

Once we were done mapping the motor we were just messing around doing boost switches on the fly, Motor running under full load and click the boost switch up and down. With the click of a switch we had 8PSI, 12PSI, 16PSI modes, so just sitting there holding the motor around 5000 under wide open throttle at 8psi, click the switch to 12 and within less than 1/2 of a second you are at 12 PSI flat line, and another click 16psi. No over shoots, no swings, just dead flat line boost wherever you want to set it, the computer is making dozens of manipulations per second to the boost control valve to hold the wastegate right where it needs to be to make your desired boost.

Also means you can reduce the boost if the oil is cold, or hot, or the engine temp, etc. All automatically seamlessly with no interaction from the driver.

Really cool stuff, and not that often you get to play around like that because almost no other dynos in the country will hold that kind of power steady for as long as you want.

 

[PlanB]

can am Frt end explained

Berts Mega Mall on Instagram: "Here is a great explanation of the Maverick R’s all-new suspension system from @dustinbattleaxejones -someone with REAL seat time in this new #SXS - #maverickr #utv"

9,420 likes, 0 comments - bertsmegamall on August 21, 2023: "Here is a great explanation of the Maverick R’s all-new suspension system from @dustinbattleaxejones -someone with REAL seat time in this new #SXS - #maverickr #utv".

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The Can-Am engineer at the reveal said the same. It's has to do with steering more than suspension.

 

[Wheeler]

I know Shane T did a lot of work with them during the beginning. He is a very sharp guy.

I spent 2 days in a class he taught about 10 years ago just scratching the surface of the software inside those M1 boxes.

Me and DaveH use them extensively. In fact we were just down at Brummett's a couple weeks ago running a Gentry motor for a Schiada on his Dyno with one.

The boost control system is second to none in those MoTeC boxes. It is so configurable, and works so quickly and accurately it will blow your mind.

Once we were done mapping the motor we were just messing around doing boost switches on the fly, Motor running under full load and click the boost switch up and down. With the click of a switch we had 8PSI, 12PSI, 16PSI modes, so just sitting there holding the motor around 5000 under wide open throttle at 8psi, click the switch to 12 and within less than 1/2 of a second you are at 12 PSI flat line, and another click 16psi. No over shoots, no swings, just dead flat line boost wherever you want to set it, the computer is making dozens of manipulations per second to the boost control valve to hold the wastegate right where it needs to be to make your desired boost.

Also means you can reduce the boost if the oil is cold, or hot, or the engine temp, etc. All automatically seamlessly with no interaction from the driver.

Really cool stuff, and not that often you get to play around like that because almost no other dynos in the country will hold that kind of power steady for as long as you want.

What gives me a thrill is the 2JZ engine. Shanes story on how he got to where he is as told by Teck is interesting.

 

[Travmon]

No. That is "Giga press" - high pressure castings.

Cars and trucks have been using hydroformed chassis and components for over 20 years.

1999 first gm truck with hydrfoformed rails.

 

[rrrr]

It's been done for years in racing, it's the same idea as "Launch Control" or "Anti Lag".

Launch control is used extensively in Turbocharged drag cars, Allows you to build turbo energy before launch. Listen to the exhaust "misfires" right before launch

Anti Lag on turbo charged road course cars. Keeps exhaust energy and turbo speed through braking/entry/apex so that when you come back on the throttle the turbo is still spooled.

I don't have any experience with high horsepower turbocharging, but the concept is clear. Pretty cool.

While I have helped build some injected sprint car engines, our IndyCar engines came in a box rebuilt from Honda before every race, we just bolted them in.



This is a dyno run of one of the engines we ran at Bonneville in 2011. It made 2,288 HP on N2O. The car had two of the biggest bottles I've ever seen mounted in the chassis.

 

[Ol Man]

The car will get a good test at King of the Hammers.

 

[Bullhead bully]

Great to see Can Am jump into a more aggressive car. . Undoubtedly between Polaris and Can Am they will continue to rule the market. As they’ve done for decades.

I have to say when I had mine, I had zero issues what a flawlessly reliable car.

 

[riverroyal]

It doesn't matter if the suspension 5% better than before. You will see speed spots for sale.
Motor and trans alone are enough

 

[Bpracing1127]

It doesn't matter if the suspension 5% better than before. You will see speed spots for sale.
Motor and trans alone are enough

Shit the tech is better from what I can see

 

[riverroyal]

I built one on can am website. Got to 55k. That with the 5000 audio.
At 55 it had a ton of stuff. Winch, cargo, chase. Mirror lights. Spare tire carrier. Door storage. Some electronic control center thing

 

[riverroyal]

There's also this when you dig into accessories

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It doesn't matter if the suspension 5% better than before. You will see speed spots for sale.
Motor and trans alone are enough

I don’t see any more for sale than yesterday…

People like what that they like. 5% better this or that is not swaying anyone. Just like you aren’t buying a Dodge if you want a Chevy.

No one is selling their Pro R to get a Can Am… they say their Pro R is great

These can Ams don't even exist yet. We can’t judge them until they get them into customer hands .

 

[Flying_Lavey]

The Can-Am engineer at the reveal said the same. It's has to do with steering more than suspension.

This......

One of the owners of LSK is a good friend of mine. He has talked about "virtual ball joint" design for years. They just released the X-travel line for the other SxS's that do just that.

Essentially the goal is to get the upper and lower ball joints aligned right through the middle of the tire. If this is able to be achieved then you eliminate a ton of stress on suspension components. Problem has always been that in order to do this you would have to run a massive wheel, have no wheel mounted brakes, reduce the height difference between pivots (as Racey mentioned why that isn't great), or some other compromise. The X-travel tech uses 2 upper ball joints to virtually move that upper pivot point without many of those sacrifices, but it adds complexity to the suspension system.

Can-Am accomplished it by taking the upper ball joint out of the wheel.

LSK has videos of them driving through clapped out whoops with only using fingers to steer and bouncing through rocks with no wheel jerking at all. And all with no added steering assist or dampers.

When those pivots align, it makes a massive difference.

 

[Albert]

 

[riverroyal]

I don’t see any more for sale than yesterday…

People like what that they like. 5% better this or that is not swaying anyone. Just like you aren’t buying a Dodge if you want a Chevy.

No one is selling their Pro R to get a Can Am… they say their Pro R is great

These can Ams don't even exist yet. We can’t judge them until they get them into customer hands .

5% suspension improvement. Thats all I said. The entire car is improved from the 2023 X3. which is way beyond 5%....fuck it doesnt matter. You wont stop.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

5% suspension improvement. Thats all I said. The entire car is improved from the 2023 X3. which is way beyond 5%....fuck it doesnt matter. You wont stop.

Why are you talking about speed spots then?

Of course this car is better than an X3. That goes without saying. But we can’t know for sure how much because they don’t exist yet.

 

[RiverDave]

can am Frt end explained

Berts Mega Mall on Instagram: "Here is a great explanation of the Maverick R’s all-new suspension system from @dustinbattleaxejones -someone with REAL seat time in this new #SXS - #maverickr #utv"

9,420 likes, 0 comments - bertsmegamall on August 21, 2023: "Here is a great explanation of the Maverick R’s all-new suspension system from @dustinbattleaxejones -someone with REAL seat time in this new #SXS - #maverickr #utv".

www.instagram.com

Can am front end explained a lot simpler

 

[rivermobster]

This......

One of the owners of LSK is a good friend of mine. He has talked about "virtual ball joint" design for years. They just released the X-travel line for the other SxS's that do just that.

Essentially the goal is to get the upper and lower ball joints aligned right through the middle of the tire. If this is able to be achieved then you eliminate a ton of stress on suspension components. Problem has always been that in order to do this you would have to run a massive wheel, have no wheel mounted brakes, reduce the height difference between pivots (as Racey mentioned why that isn't great), or some other compromise. The X-travel tech uses 2 upper ball joints to virtually move that upper pivot point without many of those sacrifices, but it adds complexity to the suspension system.

Can-Am accomplished it by taking the upper ball joint out of the wheel.

LSK has videos of them driving through clapped out whoops with only using fingers to steer and bouncing through rocks with no wheel jerking at all. And all with no added steering assist or dampers.

When those pivots align, it makes a massive difference.

Steering geometry is fun...

 

[riverroyal]

'That will never work!, so gay.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Steering geometry is fun...

It is quiet interesting.

Here is that X travel LSK kit

LSK SUSPENSION on Instagram: "X3 Xtravel Kits are off to powder! Head over to LSKSuspension.com and get yours ordered while they are in stock!! • • • #xtravel #lsksuspension #utv #sxs #canam #canamx3"

620 likes, 12 comments - lsksuspension on June 21, 2023: "X3 Xtravel Kits are off to powder! Head over to LSKSuspension.com and get yours ordered while they are in stock!! • • • #xtravel #lsksuspension #utv #sxs #canam #canamx3".

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LSK SUSPENSION on Instagram: "Only 2 Pro R @xtraveltechnology kits left of this production run!!! Get yours while you can! Next run will be approximately 2-3 months. • • • #xtravel #lsk #lsksuspension #sxs #utv #suspension"

621 likes, 14 comments - lsksuspension on May 18, 2023: "Only 2 Pro R @xtraveltechnology kits left of this production run!!! Get yours while you can! Next run will be approximately 2-3 months. • • • #xtravel #lsk #lsksuspension #sxs #utv #suspension".

www.instagram.com

 

[rivermobster]

It is quiet interesting.

Here is that X travel LSK kit

LSK SUSPENSION on Instagram: "X3 Xtravel Kits are off to powder! Head over to LSKSuspension.com and get yours ordered while they are in stock!! • • • #xtravel #lsksuspension #utv #sxs #canam #canamx3"

620 likes, 12 comments - lsksuspension on June 21, 2023: "X3 Xtravel Kits are off to powder! Head over to LSKSuspension.com and get yours ordered while they are in stock!! • • • #xtravel #lsksuspension #utv #sxs #canam #canamx3".

www.instagram.com

LSK SUSPENSION on Instagram: "Only 2 Pro R @xtraveltechnology kits left of this production run!!! Get yours while you can! Next run will be approximately 2-3 months. • • • #xtravel #lsk #lsksuspension #sxs #utv #suspension"

621 likes, 14 comments - lsksuspension on May 18, 2023: "Only 2 Pro R @xtraveltechnology kits left of this production run!!! Get yours while you can! Next run will be approximately 2-3 months. • • • #xtravel #lsk #lsksuspension #sxs #utv #suspension".

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I watched all that this morning. Pretty cool stuff.

 

[riverroyal]

watch this,,,,more relevant to UTVs

 

[PlanB]

 

[DLC]

Boom!

it’s a sleeper!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Boom!

it’s a sleeper! View attachment 1268229

Canadians use Kilometers Per Hour

I bet these are gonna rip!

 

[DLC]

Cool so it was going over a 157 KM !

that’s Sweet

 

[PlanB]

Boom!

it’s a sleeper! View attachment 1268229

Wonder where this is? Nice wet looking dirt. California or Arizona?

 

[PlanB]

This video talks about the screen in the car. Cool that you can wire accessories through it without having to use external switches.

 

[Wheeler]

Canadians use Kilometers Per Hour

I bet these are gonna rip!

We sure like our black and yellow weapons of mass destruction.

@TBI

 

[PlanB]

From Shock Therapy on FB:

Join us Thursday at 12:30PM Pacific for a Live Show all about the front end of the new @canamoffroad Maverick R!
Justin will have the white board going and he’ll be geeking out on front end design, spindle height, Ackerman, Scrub, Camber Change, Roll Center and more!

 

[attitude]

Are these going to be able to race the Pro Turbo class in short course? If they are I’m guessing they will dominate.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Are these going to be able to race the Pro Turbo class in short course? If they are I’m guessing they will dominate.

Nooooo that’s the only thing the Yams are good at

This car is longer than a Pro R with a 4” longer wheelbase. I don’t know how good it will be at short course. Those guys limit a lot of the suspension travel anyway and the other cars are a lot lighter.

 

[rivrrts429]

This video talks about the screen in the car. Cool that you can wire accessories through it without having to use external switches.

That’s an awesome feature. Way cleaner than toggles or even a switch-pros setup.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s an awesome feature. Way cleaner than toggles or even a switch-pros setup.

The more I look at this thing the more I think Polaris is gonna get their teeth kicked in..

 

[attitude]

Nooooo that’s the only thing the Yams are good at

This car is longer than a Pro R with a 4” longer wheelbase. I don’t know how good it will be at short course. Those guys limit a lot of the suspension travel anyway and the other cars are a lot lighter.

Good thing they don’t race in the same class lol.

Low, wide, and a 7 speed with 240hp seems like a winning combination. I’m sure all cars roll into tech weighing about the same anyways.

 

[McKay]

The only downside, which is huge about having your switches on a touch screen is when running hard and you want to turn something on it’s hard to hold your hand steady on a touchscreen and get the right accessory to turn on. Speaking from experience with a garmin touchscreen. I now like regular switches for lights, etc.

 

[RiverDave]

From Shock Therapy on FB:

Join us Thursday at 12:30PM Pacific for a Live Show all about the front end of the new @canamoffroad Maverick R!
Justin will have the white board going and he’ll be geeking out on front end design, spindle height, Ackerman, Scrub, Camber Change, Roll Center and more!

Imagine how many kits he’s gonna sell.. a cubic shit ton is the answer