kobe bryant

[Tooms22]

So you didn't read about the rape?

Guilty until proven innocent right? The DA dropped the charges.

Most people don't understand false accusations until it happens to a friend or family member. Some even falsely accuse with no money to win. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. I'm just saying money doesn't make the DA drop charges, a lack of evidence/credible testimony does.

 

[Kachina26]

Guilty until proven innocent right? The DA dropped the charges.

Most people don't understand false accusations until it happens to a friend or family member. Some even falsely accuse with no money to win. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. I'm just saying money doesn't make the DA drop charges, a lack of evidence/credible testimony does.

OJ was found innocent.

 

[Tooms22]

OJ was found innocent.

Innocence decided by 12 idiots, I mean peers, not to mention investigative screw ups vs. DA dropping charges.

Yeah, that's not the same thing.

Things can be a little more nuanced than just guilty or not guilty.

 

[Kachina26]

Innocence decided by 12 idiots, I mean peers, not to mention investigative screw ups vs. DA dropping charges.

Yeah, that's not the same thing.

Things can be a little more nuanced than just guilty or not guilty.

Well I appreciate your opinion and thank you for not being as ugly as I expect others to be about my comment.

 

[steak&lobster]

OJ was found innocent.

OJ had a trial, Kobe did not.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

What you say is true. After the full investigation we’ll have the real info. My opinion, that helicopter needs to have two pilots, the workload is just too heavy for one pilot to control that very complicated aircraft, especially flying in and out of IMC.

As I said, if the pilot would have filed IFR, airport to airport, this may not have happened.

I haven’t heard, did he have a heliport at his facility in Thousand Oaks?

From what I have read he flew out of Orange County and not his house.

 

[socal0487]

What you say is true. After the full investigation we’ll have the real info. My opinion, that helicopter needs to have two pilots, the workload is just too heavy for one pilot to control that very complicated aircraft, especially flying in and out of IMC.

As I said, if the pilot would have filed IFR, airport to airport, this may not have happened.

I haven’t heard, did he have a heliport at his facility in Thousand Oaks?

no he didn’t have a heliport at the Mamba facility. He would land at Camarillo airport and then drive up

 

[JD D05]

So you didn't read about the rape?

I don't know if he did or didn't but I did know a guy that knew the girl and he told me she had a pattern of doing this.

 

[JD D05]

I was waiting for Lebron James to post something on Instagram. He just posted this. [emoji22]

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https://www.instagram.com/p/B72NUtWA0gS/?igshid=1474c56vax9be

Typical LeBron. If this was in his hands than I will end up not liking Kobe also. God he is a prick.

 

[SJP]

There are a lot of great comments and commentary in this thread and some not that great.

Horrible tragedy that obviously affects many families. I feel horbile for them. I think for Shintoo and other board members like myself that are the same age as Kobe was it was a tragic event. Kobe did not go to college and went straight into his profession and killed it. Like Shintoo said while a lot of us went to college and were still growing up Kobe was leading the way in his craft. He had his moments and transgressions but in my mind it just proved he was still human like the rest of us. I think it was even harder watching him retire while we still go to the office and grind into our 40s. It was a moment in time like I felt like I was getting old. I guess the point of the above rambling is for a gen X er he will probably be one of our better ones. For him to pass away it is just a sign that we are in fact mortal. I said it tomorrow I may go back and delete that last line.


My personal take being a young pilot VFR rated and currently training on IFR rating is WTF!!! Pilot was in DEEP....... If the NTSB confirms that indeed he is IFR rated and also a CFI he made some very bad choices (ADM). A good friend and also board member on here says when I discuss weather with him “the cloud police are not out”. Basically always at the pilot discretion. For the members on here wondering why was he allowed to take off? There is never anyone that will tell you go or no go. Pilot in command PIC always needs to make that call.

The raw reality is generations of pilots will ultimately learn from this. A full investigation will be completed and released in about a year from the NTSB with full details. Nothing will be withheld. My instructor basically laid it out simply as “in aviation we learn from the death of others.”

 

[Sleek-Jet]

no he didn’t have a heliport at the Mamba facility. He would land at Camarillo airport and then drive up

It occurs to me; if he was shuttling between airports, on this day, why not grab a King Air from the back of a hangar and get there that way?

Lots of what-ifs.

Other random thoughts ..

I can't seem to get the weather data for that day, but the helo might not have been able to file due to the possibility of ice and would also explain the pilots reluctance to do a pop-up IFR clearance into Camarillo.

 

[YumaRivernaut]

Celebrities or even regular people climb in these planes or helicopters all the time and put trust in the pilot that they will be safe. A lot of the time they have no clue who is up there flying them around.

Three words.
Stevie Ray Vaughn.

 

[wallnutz]

The raw reality is generations of pilots will ultimately learn from this. A full investigation will be completed and released in about a year from the NTSB with full details. Nothing will be withheld. My instructor basically laid it out simply as “in aviation we learn from the death of others.”

Unfortunately some pilots forget to soon.

RIP to all on board.

 

[Old Texan]

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My personal take being a young pilot VFR rated and currently training on IFR rating is WTF!!! Pilot was in DEEP....... If the NTSB confirms that indeed he is IFR rated and also a CFI he made some very bad choices (ADM). A good friend and also board member on here says when I discuss weather with him “the cloud police are not out”. Basically always at the pilot discretion. For the members on here wondering why was he allowed to take off? There is never anyone that will tell you go or no go. Pilot in command PIC always needs to make that call.

The raw reality is generations of pilots will ultimately learn from this. A full investigation will be completed and released in about a year from the NTSB with full details. Nothing will be withheld. My instructor basically laid it out simply as “in aviation we learn from the death of others.”

My earlier posts were questioning why an aircraft is allowed to take off in bad weather situations. Lots of good feedback and I've learned a bunch. It was mentioned we don't need laws to make the decision currently made by a pilot. I understand that. But what troubles me after hearing the explanations, is still how what to me is a bad, or at best a questionable decision, to put lives in danger without a real need to do so takes place. Every take off has risks. But when a known factor such as bad weather is present, putting the decision on the back of one man is not a good thing.

The pilot was qualified and a good one, but he made the decision to take off. Once he saw the weather condition, he pressed on and obviously passed the point of the flight being in a safe condition. Accidents happen, but other factors often increase the odds of them happening and that is the point I'm trying to make. Somehow safeguards need to be in place where a pilot has help in making a life threatening decision. It isn't fair to the pilot to have to make the call, he needs backup.

Outside of unforeseen mechanical malfunctions, most all events can be controlled with foresight into conditions. The weather was a known factor and should have been considered if it wasn't. That consideration needs to be more structured to keep another craft from being placed into the same situation.

The saddest part of all this, is it was preventable. Conditions were known. Not being mean or obtuse, just trying to find ways to stop such a tragedy from happening again as possible.

 

[Singleton]

RIP to those on the flight.
Thoughts with those family’s that lost loved ones.
My biggest fear is losing my wife to an accident or illness and being a single parent, so my thoughts are with those now in that situation or those that lost a parent.

I was a huge NBA fan until the 99 strike. At that point, I lost interest.
Kobe did some great things on the court and in the LA community, so I understand the sadness some feel, I just don’t get those that never met the guy that are upset and depressed.

 

[monkeyswrench]

There are a lot of great comments and commentary in this thread and some not that great.

Horrible tragedy that obviously affects many families. I feel horbile for them. I think for Shintoo and other board members like myself that are the same age as Kobe was it was a tragic event. Kobe did not go to college and went straight into his profession and killed it. Like Shintoo said while a lot of us went to college and were still growing up Kobe was leading the way in his craft. He had his moments and transgressions but in my mind it just proved he was still human like the rest of us. I think it was even harder watching him retire while we still go to the office and grind into our 40s. It was a moment in time like I felt like I was getting old. I guess the point of the above rambling is for a gen X er he will probably be one of our better ones. For him to pass away it is just a sign that we are in fact mortal. I said it tomorrow I may go back and delete that last line.


My personal take being a young pilot VFR rated and currently training on IFR rating is WTF!!! Pilot was in DEEP....... If the NTSB confirms that indeed he is IFR rated and also a CFI he made some very bad choices (ADM). A good friend and also board member on here says when I discuss weather with him “the cloud police are not out”. Basically always at the pilot discretion. For the members on here wondering why was he allowed to take off? There is never anyone that will tell you go or no go. Pilot in command PIC always needs to make that call.

The raw reality is generations of pilots will ultimately learn from this. A full investigation will be completed and released in about a year from the NTSB with full details. Nothing will be withheld. My instructor basically laid it out simply as “in aviation we learn from the death of others.”

I believe I am close to both you and Shintoo in age. Assuming that, as Kobe was a year younger than me. I guess what makes all humans different, is their life experiences up until a given time. I was out of my parents' place pretty young, and working a few different jobs to cover the house payment. Most nights in my early to mid-twenties, ended when some people were going to work, 3-4am. The next day started sometimes after showering and changing clothes. To this day, I have never watched a pro basketball game. I haven't watched an MLB game since my Pops passed in 2007...aside from work, that was one of few things we did together. Aside from pro athletes in the news, I would be hard pressed to name one. It's not that I'm anti-sport...I met my wife through sports, and she made Olympic trials times at NCAA's while going to college on a full ride. There are people here that don't know what it's like to train 6 hours a day...they are normal. There are some that do...they are pretty freakish, but I was one of them. Sometimes life changes your view, both of society and of an individual's goals.

The media has painted him as a saint. Some here agree whole heartedly. Some here do not. To me, he was a wealthy basketball player who passed in an accident. Then I found out he had kids. Honestly didn't know that. Then I found out one was with him. Suddenly the "human" side to the story arises. He was a father, had a family...and he was mortal.

As for what he may or may not have done in earlier events, not my place to judge. I leave that to something else.

Can people change, or should they?...God I hope so.

 

[shintoooo]

It's funny to read some people's comments in here about how they don't understand how some people can be so sad for someone they never met and then I read the comments in this thread below and those same people are devastated for someone they never met either.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/rip-neil-peart.211406/

 

[hallett21]

It's funny to read some people's comments in here about how they don't understand how some people can be so sad for someone they never met and then I read the comments in this thread below and those same people are devastated for someone they never met either.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/rip-neil-peart.211406/

Or any race car driver, motor sports mogul etc lol


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[Bigbore500r]

It's funny to read some people's comments in here about how they don't understand how some people can be so sad for someone they never met and then I read the comments in this thread below and those same people are devastated for someone they never met either.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/rip-neil-peart.211406/

There are 3 things certain in life -
1) Death
2) Taxes
3) Haters gonna hate

 

[shintoooo]

Or any race car driver, motor sports mogul etc lol

I felt the same way when Chris Cornell died. He was a big part of my life growing up. I didn't have to meet him to mourn his death. It was tragic.

 

[LowRiver2]

It's funny to read some people's comments in here about how they don't understand how some people can be so sad for someone they never met and then I read the comments in this thread below and those same people are devastated for someone they never met either.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/rip-neil-peart.211406/

Point taken
Everyone grieves differently and irony also arises in people that tell someone to pound sand with a differing view when they themselves have had “whatever” attitudes to people losing their lives with other professions
#Hypocrisy

Assholes are everywhere, banning someone over a differing view would be a bitch move, no matter how much an ass they have been.

 

[ChiliPepperGarage]

So you didn't read about the rape?

Just wondering what your opinion is on Justice Kavanaugh and his accuser?

 

[shintoooo]

Point taken
Everyone grieves differently and irony also arises in people that tell someone to pound sand with a differing view when they themselves have had “whatever” attitudes to people losing their lives with other professions
#Hypocrisy

Assholes are everywhere, banning someone over a differing view would be a bitch move, no matter how much an ass they have been.

I agree, that's why I didn't ban him or anyone with a different view. That's the best thing about living in this country. Freedom of speech.

If I banned based on difference of view or people being assholes, there would only be a couple people left on this site

 

[JDKRXW]

It occurs to me; if he was shuttling between airports, on this day, why not grab a King Air from the back of a hangar and get there that way?

.

This is a very good question.

 

[hallett21]

Just wondering what your opinion is on Justice Kavanaugh and his accuser?

Very good point.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It's funny to read some people's comments in here about how they don't understand how some people can be so sad for someone they never met and then I read the comments in this thread below and those same people are devastated for someone they never met either.

https://www.riverdavesplace.com/forums/threads/rip-neil-peart.211406/

I have not been “devastated” about anyone’s death I didn’t know well personally.

I watched him play basketball, live and on TV. Yes he was good, yes he did some things to help others. He earned his fame and wealth and gave some back. But the guy played a game for our entertainment.

We have unnamed warriors dying abroad fighting for our ability to simply be entertained by a guy playing basketball. Yes the crash is a tragedy but to say there needs to be city wide holidays, memorial parades, the ridiculous media coverage, and people distraught for days is really a sad reflection of what we have become as a culture. It is a huge distraction from what is really important and the worst thing is we as a culture have let it happen to ourselves.

 

[LowRiver2]

I agree, that's why I didn't ban him or anyone with a different view. That's the best thing about living in this country. Freedom of speech.

If I banned based on difference of view or people being assholes, there would only be a couple people left on this site

I figured you woundn’t
I am one of his adversary’s and while I think he’s way off base on my work, he should have a seat at the RDP bar.

He’s a porcupine to me , I know he’ll try to prick me, no problem , lol

 

[shintoooo]

I’m have not been “devastated” about anyone’s death I didn’t know well personally.

I watched him play basketball, live and on TV. Yes he was good, yes he did some things to help others. He earned his fame and wealth and gave some back. But the guy played a game for our entertainment.

Good for you. I'm sorry I grieved for someone's death. I apologize and will try to be more like you next time. lol.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Good for you. I'm sorry I grieved for someone's death. I apologize and will try to be more like you next time. lol.

Thank you. I’ll give you a pass this time.

 

[LowRiver2]

I’m have not been “devastated” about anyone’s death I didn’t know well personally.

I watched him play basketball, live and on TV. Yes he was good, yes he did some things to help others. He earned his fame and wealth and gave some back. But the guy played a game for our entertainment.

We have unnamed warriors dying abroad fighting for our ability to simply be entertained by a guy playing basketball. Yes the crash is a tragedy but to say there needs to be city wide holidays, memorial parades, the ridiculous media coverage, and people distraught for days is really a sad reflection of what we have become as a culture. It is a huge distraction from what is really important and the worst thing is we as a culture have let it happen to ourselves.

Spot Fucking On
Big City’s have become polarized into people that care about the popular and those that are still caring about day to day contacts, personal connections
People that live in violence, trauma, are those that get the difference quite clearly

Good post

 

[monkeyswrench]

I agree, that's why I didn't ban him or anyone with a different view. That's the best thing about living in this country. Freedom of speech.

If I banned based on difference of view or people being assholes, there would only be a couple people left on this site

I call BS!

There aren't even a couple of non-assholes

 

[Taboma]

I agree, that's why I didn't ban him or anyone with a different view. That's the best thing about living in this country. Freedom of speech.

If I banned based on difference of view or people being assholes, there would only be a couple people left on this site

Oh yeah, but then there's those times, feeling the power, with your finger hovering over the imaginary big red button, knowing how good it would feel, that brief glimpse of feeling Godlike, yet fighting off the urge

 

[JD D05]

Ellen just took the lead it looks like on the elitist out sad each other competition.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ellen just took the lead it looks like on the elitist out sad each other competition.

Never let a opportunity to whore yourself out and suck up a news cycle slip away!

 

[WhatExit?]

https://nypost.com/2020/01/27/inside-the-final-flight-of-the-doomed-helicopter-carrying-kobe-bryant/

 

[Kachina26]

Just wondering what your opinion is on Justice Kavanaugh and his accuser?

I wasn't really rendering an opinion, T&B said he hadn't heard/read one bad thing. So I mentioned the one bad thing that it seems he hadn't heard/read.

 

[RVR SWPR]

Kobe stepped up,handled the Rape situation the best he could.This thread has provided excellent information regarding the 45 minute flight.Thanks.

 

[rivermobster]

I agree, that's why I didn't ban him or anyone with a different view. That's the best thing about living in this country. Freedom of speech.

If I banned based on difference of view or people being assholes, there would only be a couple people left on this site

Like Mr C said, it's an emotional time. And sometimes people (like me) let their emotions get the best of them.

Everyone is different. Well all react and feel differently for different reasons.

No good reason to judge people based on that.

This is not an apology to YB by any stretch of the imagination. Just an apology to the board for my bad behavior.

Peace.

 

[Looking Glass]

I am not an NBA fan,not for any reason just am not. I used to be a Fan of the NFL not radical but die enjoy. I because from a Strong Military Family that is of NO NONSENSE and NOT POLITICALLY CORRECT I had and still have a problem with how they handled the Colin Kappernick disgrace. The "Old School" NFL players would have jerked his sorry Ass of the field and have a private discussion with him Off Camera. There is a time and place and way. To disrespect The Country and those who have fought and died OMG!! This Country has lost it's way when this is allowed to happen. SORRY!! back to the topic, it is tragic Kobe along with the others died in such a violent manner,but he did not choose this and how it is being handled by the media and others. He was a fine human that DID do wonderful things with his money and time. There are dozens that are in the same position that he was and have not and will not help one soul, association,school or charity ever. God Bless his and the others family and loved ones. The constant media focus can not help their grieving.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Like Mr C said, it's an emotional time. And sometimes people (like me) let their emotions get the best of them.

Everyone is different. Well all react and feel differently for different reasons.

No good reason to judge people based on that.

This is not an apology to YB by any stretch of the imagination. Just an apology to the board for my bad behavior.

Peace.

Your bad behavior? Sir, you needn't apologize to anyone here. Most are probably quite ok with what words are typed. If people blow a gasket over what they read...well the real world must suck.

What we really need to focus on now is this:

@JD Dearden was watching Ellen...WTF?!

 

[riverroyal]

'the doomed flight', nice title. Thats all they could come up with?

 

[JD D05]

Your bad behavior? Sir, you needn't apologize to anyone here. Most are probably quite ok with what words are typed. If people blow a gasket over what they read...well the real world must suck.

What we really need to focus on now is this:

@JD Dearden was watching Ellen...WTF?!

HA! Nah I saw the story on the news.

 

[monkeyswrench]

HA! Nah I saw the story on the news.

Don't worry, we won't tell anyone

 

[BingerFang]

Pretty funny.


NBA

- enough said


https://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshhQjP8ckR9w52jM150

 

[rvrrat350]

 

[WhatExit?]

Helicopter carrying Kobe Bryant and 8 others was 20 to 30 feet from clearing a hilltop when it crashed, investigators say

(CNN)The helicopter carrying basketball superstar Kobe Bryant and eight others crashed into a Calabasas, California, hillside with a "high energy impact," the National Transportation Safety Board said Tuesday.

As federal investigators wrapped up operations at the crash site, the NTSB's Jennifer Homendy said preliminary information suggests the plane descended rapidly and was likely in one piece before it slammed into the hill.

"The descent rate for the helicopter was over 2,000 feet a minute, so we know that this was a high energy impact crash," Homendy said. "This is a pretty steep descent at high speed. So it wouldn't be a normal landing speed."

NTSB investigators wrapped up recovery efforts at the crash site Tuesday.The crash occurred about 1,085 feet above sea level, missing the top of the hill by 20 to 30 feet, investigators said. Parts of the helicopter were found scattered around a crash site that stretched 500 to 600 feet, the NTSB said.

On Tuesday, NTSB turned over the accident site back to local authorities after recovering pieces of the wreckage, an iPad, cellphone and documents including maintenance records, the helicopter's registration and the airworthiness certificate.

The helicopter did not have a terrain awareness and warning system -- a safety feature which provides the pilot with information about the terrain, Homendy said.
The NTSB recommended that similar helicopters be equipped with the system after a fatal Texas crash in 2004 that killed 10 people. The Federal Aviation Administration failed to implement the recommendation, Homendy said.

The NTSB's Carol Hogan examines wreckage at the crash site.

In his last communication with air traffic control, the helicopter's pilot said he was climbing to avoid a cloud layer, the NTSB previously said. But when air traffic control asked him what he planned to do, there was no response.

Radar data indicated the helicopter climbed 2,300 feet and began a left descending turn, Homendy said. That last contact was around 9:45 a.m. The first 911 call about the crash came in two minutes later, Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva said.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/us/helicopter-crash-kobe-bryant-wednesday/index.html

 

[WhatExit?]

The rest of the story...
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/kobe-bryant-died-inspiration-many-not-all-we-can-t-ncna1124311

 

[TPC]

Friend is manning the Sheriffs OHV Motorcycle Detail at the site on a Dirt Bike.
Said scores of people still trying to make it to the crash site.

 

[Bigbore500r]

The rest of the story...
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/kobe-bryant-died-inspiration-many-not-all-we-can-t-ncna1124311

So if your accused of something your automatically guilty forever? Sounds fair.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So if your accused of something your automatically guilty forever? Sounds fair.

All liberals say yes