kobe bryant

[JDKRXW]

All liberals say yes

....unless it's one of them.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

....unless it's one of them.

Precisely. FWIW I thought the charges were BS then, and now.

 

[Old Texan]

The rest of the story...
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/kobe-bryant-died-inspiration-many-not-all-we-can-t-ncna1124311

These are the kind of bullshit articles that need to be ignored. Old news with some twit media clown trying to be relevant.

Nobody is perfect least of all Kobe. His good far outweighed his bad and his bad was media driven to begin with.

 

[monkeyswrench]

So if your accused of something your automatically guilty forever? Sounds fair.

...hmm, sounds like marriage, but I digress

 

[WhatExit?]

So if your accused of something your automatically guilty forever? Sounds fair.

If you commit a crime then you are guilty and that guilt doesn't somehow go away. Did he commit a crime? Well, we'll never know for sure but what we do know is the fact that he was Kobe Bryant, revered NBA player and ultra-wealthy guy enabled him to not have to go to court to face his accuser. If that was the "average Joe" the situation and outcome would surely have been very different.

Another story: https://itsgame7.com/teacher-calls-kobe-bryant-horrible-player-horrible-person/

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If you commit a crime then you are guilty and that guilt doesn't somehow go away. Did he commit a crime? Well, we'll never know for sure but what we do know is the fact that he was Kobe Bryant, revered NBA player and ultra-wealthy guy enabled him to not have to go to court to face his accuser. If that was the "average Joe" the situation and outcome would surely have been very different.

Another story: https://itsgame7.com/teacher-calls-kobe-bryant-horrible-player-horrible-person/

To be fair, it didn't go to court because she didn't want to testify, she took a settlement.

 

[WhatExit?]

To be fair, it didn't go to court because she didn't want to testify, she took a settlement.

If you want to be "fair" you could provide the facts. This excerpt is from Time magazine - link below:

In July 2003, Bryant was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old employee of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo.

He admitted that he didn’t explicitly ask for consent and initially denied even having sex with the woman.

He left a bruise on her neck and drew blood from her skin.

After Bryant’s defense team badly intimidated the victim and smeared her reputation, she refused to testify.

After the criminal case was dismissed, Bryant issued an apology that said, in part, “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

He later settled for an undisclosed sum in a civil suit.

https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant-rape-case-complicated-legacy/

 

[Mr. C]

To be fair, it didn't go to court because she didn't want to testify, she took a settlement.

I think you just made his point. He bought his way out of it.
It is what it is now and really doesn't matter anymore..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think you just made his point. He bought his way out of it.
It is what it is now and really doesn't matter anymore..

That is true. If it was that big of a deal, she could have testified.. Its not like Kobe's last name was Clinton.

 

[Bigbore500r]

If you commit a crime then you are guilty and that guilt doesn't somehow go away. Did he commit a crime? Well, we'll never know for sure but what we do know is the fact that he was Kobe Bryant, revered NBA player and ultra-wealthy guy enabled him to not have to go to court to face his accuser. If that was the "average Joe" the situation and outcome would surely have been very different.

Another story: https://itsgame7.com/teacher-calls-kobe-bryant-horrible-player-horrible-person/

What did you do before Google existed?

 

[WhatExit?]

What did you do before Google existed?

Read books. You?

 

[Old Texan]

I remember the deal with the girl well and my reaction at the time. Some women go freaking crazy over celebrities, especially sports stars. To me this girl swooned and came on strong to Kobe. She initiated a sexual encounter and got in over here head. Should Kobe have ignored her? Hell ya he should, but he is human and a young male on the road and likely a tad lonely. Opportunity presented itself and he took it. Wrong choice but not an uncommon choice. It was in the beginning 2 consenting adults who later, in the middle of whatever happened, both realized they'd made a bad decision. Nothing more.....

To me the girl realized she put herself into a situation and was just as guilty, if not more. The outcome was just a bad situation correcting itself. I honestly believe in the end justice was served. Kobe got off without legal action and the girl got off with little more than a dent in here dignity. Both had to live with their poor decisions just like normal folks do on a daily basis. Both paid a small but rightful price.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If you want to be "fair" you could provide the facts. This excerpt is from Time magazine - link below:

In July 2003, Bryant was charged with sexually assaulting a 19-year-old employee of the Lodge and Spa at Cordillera in Edwards, Colo.

He admitted that he didn’t explicitly ask for consent and initially denied even having sex with the woman.

He left a bruise on her neck and drew blood from her skin.

After Bryant’s defense team badly intimidated the victim and smeared her reputation, she refused to testify.

After the criminal case was dismissed, Bryant issued an apology that said, in part, “After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

He later settled for an undisclosed sum in a civil suit.

https://time.com/5773151/kobe-bryant-rape-case-complicated-legacy/

Life isn't fair, it is what it is.

 

[WhatExit?]

That is true. If it was that big of a deal, she could have testified.. Its not like Kobe's last name was Clinton.

Life isn't fair, it is what it is.

Easy for you to say. Do you say that when you get fucked over (not anything like forcible rape)?

 

[Old Texan]

What did you do before Google existed?

Library and the encyclopedia, magazines and TV

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Easy for you to say. You did read post #308 above, right?

Its easy to deposit the check too.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Read books. You?

I hung out in the library and listened to conversations, then fired up the ole' Dewey Decimal system and shared excerpts from books and magazines to substantiate a pessimistic opposing position on everything I overheard. It was way harder back in the day

 

[stephenkatsea]

OJ was found innocent.

Believe OJ was actually found “not guilty”. Seems that is different than “innocent”. Not Guilty is a declaration by the jury that the evidence, as provided, was not sufficient to find him Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, Not Guilty was the jury’s finding about the evidence, not about the defendant. Perhaps an inmate with expertise in law would care to comment.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

To be fair, it didn't go to court because she didn't want to testify, she took a settlement.

Reported as north of 2.5 million (tax free)

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Believe OJ was actually found “not guilty”. Seems that is different than “innocent”. Not Guilty is a declaration by the jury that the evidence, as provided, was not sufficient to find him Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, Not Guilty was the jury’s finding about the evidence, not about the defendant. Perhaps an inmate with expertise in law would care to comment.

OJ was also found guilty civilly.

 

[mbrown2]

Believe OJ was actually found “not guilty”. Seems that is different than “innocent”. Not Guilty is a declaration by the jury that the evidence, as provided, was not sufficient to find him Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, Not Guilty was the jury’s finding about the evidence, not about the defendant. Perhaps an inmate with expertise in law would care to comment.

A court or a jury never finds a defendant innocent; it is not the judge, jury's role. It is the prosecution's job to find a defendant guilty. If they are unable to convince the judge or a jury of that guilt beyond a reasonable doubt the court or jury rules not guilty.

 

[stephenkatsea]

OJ was also found guilty civilly.

Yes, OJ was found guilty in Civil Court. This verdict included substantial fines to be paid by OJ. I believe OJ has not paid even a dime towards those fines.

 

[nowski]

One thing I find sad and disturbing about this helicopter crash that took innocent lives, why was there a sense of urgency to get to their destination? What if they cancelled or better yet taken a limo and showed up late what would it have mattered. The goal for all of us when traveling (land, air or sea) should be to get to our destinations safely, it's better than the alternative...

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

One thing I find sad and disturbing about this helicopter crash that took innocent lives, why was there a sense of urgency to get to their destination? What if they cancelled or better yet taken a limo and showed up late what would it have mattered. The goal for all of us when traveling (land, air or sea) should be to get to our destinations safely, it's better than the alternative...

When you are rich what is your time worth? Arguably more than mine our yours. So these types of people buy conveyances that free up more of their time, but sometimes it goes sideways and kills them.

 

[BHC Vic]

So if your accused of something your automatically guilty forever? Sounds fair.

That is 100% how my dui worked. Haven’t had a drop in over 6 years and guess who’s still paying for it. Talked to my wife about this exact thing. I’m holding all other comments because now isn’t the time and this isn’t the thread. I’ve met Kobe though, and it was a pretty shitty experience.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That is 100% how my dui worked. Haven’t had a drop in over 6 years and guess who’s still paying for it. Talked to my wife about this exact thing. I’m holding all other comments because now isn’t the time and this isn’t the thread. I’ve met Kobe though, and it was a pretty shitty experience.

Define "Still paying for it". Were you accused of a DUI you were innocent of?

 

[Outdrive1]

If you commit a crime then you are guilty and that guilt doesn't somehow go away. Did he commit a crime? Well, we'll never know for sure but what we do know is the fact that he was Kobe Bryant, revered NBA player and ultra-wealthy guy enabled him to not have to go to court to face his accuser. If that was the "average Joe" the situation and outcome would surely have been very different.

Another story: https://itsgame7.com/teacher-calls-kobe-bryant-horrible-player-horrible-person/

So do you feel the same way about Trump or just nakers?

I said it before in this thread. He wasn’t convicted. She didn’t go to court. She could have and gone to civil court as well. At this point she could have set him up and extorted him. You don’t know. I don’t know. Only she knows at this point. So your accusations are baseless at this point and you seem jaded over something that doesn’t affect you.


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[530RL]

Believe OJ was actually found “not guilty”. Seems that is different than “innocent”. Not Guilty is a declaration by the jury that the evidence, as provided, was not sufficient to find him Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, Not Guilty was the jury’s finding about the evidence, not about the defendant. Perhaps an inmate with expertise in law would care to comment.

In America, one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

No reason to find someone innocent as that is the presumption.

And that applies to everyone whether it be OJ, Kobe, Hillary, Trump or Biden.

All presumed innocent under the Constitution until legally found otherwise.

 

[Carlson-jet]

I'm gonna need a few beers to ponder all of this information.

 

[Yellowboat]

I remember the deal with the girl well and my reaction at the time. Some women go freaking crazy over celebrities, especially sports stars. To me this girl swooned and came on strong to Kobe. She initiated a sexual encounter and got in over here head. Should Kobe have ignored her? Hell ya he should, but he is human and a young male on the road and likely a tad lonely. Opportunity presented itself and he took it. Wrong choice but not an uncommon choice. It was in the beginning 2 consenting adults who later, in the middle of whatever happened, both realized they'd made a bad decision. Nothing more.....

To me the girl realized she put herself into a situation and was just as guilty, if not more. The outcome was just a bad situation correcting itself. I honestly believe in the end justice was served. Kobe got off without legal action and the girl got off with little more than a dent in here dignity. Both had to live with their poor decisions just like normal folks do on a daily basis. Both paid a small but rightful price.

This is most lukely what went down, but he was MARRIED at the time. Which in my mind makes him a pos. Not too mention the rock he bought his wife created the saying "kobe" which later ob tiger woods said to an arresting officer after a dui.

The real question is why didnt his then wife leave him. If i was a betting man prenup.

 

[mbrown2]

One thing I find sad and disturbing about this helicopter crash that took innocent lives, why was there a sense of urgency to get to their destination? What if they cancelled or better yet taken a limo and showed up late what would it have mattered. The goal for all of us when traveling (land, air or sea) should be to get to our destinations safely, it's better than the alternative...

I honestly think they all got on the Helo thinking it was no more risk than a shuttle or limo. When you listen to the pilot and the atc personnel talking during the flight you start to realize things went different during the flight with the visibility and the pilots reaction to it ....ie: needing to go Special VFR by following the freeways but ascending and descending due to visibility. From a unknowing observer it seems at some point between Burbank and Van Nuys and turning south at Chatsworth the captain probably should have turned back. But maybe he thought everything was ok. I don't know and at this point it is all Monday morning QB.

 

[Kachina26]

Believe OJ was actually found “not guilty”. Seems that is different than “innocent”. Not Guilty is a declaration by the jury that the evidence, as provided, was not sufficient to find him Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, Not Guilty was the jury’s finding about the evidence, not about the defendant. Perhaps an inmate with expertise in law would care to comment.

Fair enough, used the wrong word. Either way, he was free to search for the real killer. LOL

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This is most lukely what went down, but he was MARRIED at the time. Which in my mind makes him a pos. Not too mention the rock he bought his wife created the saying "kobe" which later ob tiger woods said to an arresting officer after a dui.

The real question is why didnt his then wife leave him. If i was a betting man prenup.

Kobe and his wife had no prenup.

 

[Done-it-again]

One thing I find sad and disturbing about this helicopter crash that took innocent lives, why was there a sense of urgency to get to their destination? What if they cancelled or better yet taken a limo and showed up late what would it have mattered. The goal for all of us when traveling (land, air or sea) should be to get to our destinations safely, it's better than the alternative...

he took flights 2-3x a week. More prior to retiring from the NBA. Like said before time is money and with that many games played sitting in a car for hours was uncomfortable. It’s been said that Kobe and Venessa and an agreement that they never fly in the helicopter together due to risk.

 

[Yellowboat]

Kobe and his wife had no prenup.

That does not mean there was bot other deals made. Cheating is one of the few things that i will end any relationship right then and there. Even the suspension of it, means i have lost the trust of that person and i would end it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That does not mean there was bot other deals made. Cheating is one of the few things that i will end any relationship right then and there. Even the suspension of it, means i have lost the trust of that person and i would end it.

Then that would be a postnup. They had no prenup.

Most of these high profile figures have infidelity issues. How they deal with it is their business

 

[RVR SWPR]

Pilot knew the area well.He apparently not comfortable following SR118.Wanted back to 101.Hard telling fog & cloud situation 118 Rocky Peak/Simi versus 101 Conejo Grade/Camarillo.Serious elevation drop both locations. Camarillo Airport located immediately Left going North 101 @Camarillo.Seems if weather not a factor flight would have been a scenic coastal flight on a Sunday morning.

 

[LowRiver2]

Believe OJ was actually found “not guilty”. Seems that is different than “innocent”. Not Guilty is a declaration by the jury that the evidence, as provided, was not sufficient to find him Guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore, Not Guilty was the jury’s finding about the evidence, not about the defendant. Perhaps an inmate with expertise in law would care to comment.

Only on OJ:
The muder case is labeled “Cleared
Other”
It’s not the PD’s fault of a jury verdict.
It will never be a cold case
The investigation has the named suspect and MO

Only talking about OJ
Detective (Yes I am) LR

 

[Yellowboat]

Then that would be a postnup. They had no prenup.

Most of these high profile figures have infidelity issues. How they deal with it is their business

It is thier business, i still think he is a pos for doing it

 

[was thatguy]

Guilty until proven innocent right? The DA dropped the charges.

Most people don't understand false accusations until it happens to a friend or family member. Some even falsely accuse with no money to win. I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. I'm just saying money doesn't make the DA drop charges, a lack of evidence/credible testimony does.

Huh??
He admitted it publicly, but said it was consensual, made public apologies ad nauseam with his wife by his side.
The $2.5 million he cashed the 19 year old out with was a drop in the bucket compared to the price he paid at home.
That’s the only good thing I can say about that...he didn’t deny it and ponied up and saved his marriage.
The reason I feel so much worse for the other passengers, especially the kids, is simple...
They trusted him and died.

 

[shintoooo]

They trusted him and died.

So now it's Kobe's fault that they died? This thread doesn't disappoint.

 

[Ziggy]

What did you do before Google existed?

He used Hotbot
.
No, it's not misspelled.

 

[Singleton]

So now it's Kobe's fault that they died? This thread doesn't disappoint.

That logic is way off.
IMO, pilot error. If Kobe knew how bad it was, they would of landed @ VN and taken a car service to the event.

 

[RCDave]

So now it's Kobe's fault that they died? This thread doesn't disappoint.

Its called life...., which is inherently risky....

 

[steak&lobster]

So do you feel the same way about Trump or just nakers?

I said it before in this thread. He wasn’t convicted. She didn’t go to court. She could have and gone to civil court as well. At this point she could have set him up and extorted him. You don’t know. I don’t know. Only she knows at this point. So your accusations are baseless at this point and you seem jaded over something that doesn’t affect you.


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I love the term "jaded"

 

[steak&lobster]

So now it's Kobe's fault that they died? This thread doesn't disappoint.

These guys know it all . . . LoL

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

It is thier business, i still think he is a pos for doing it

Says the guy posting nudes of hookers off tinder and asking if he should date her.. FFS

 

[JD D05]

I love the term "jaded"

Isn't that the stripper that you fell in love with?

 

[Yellowboat]

Says the guy posting nudes of hookers off tinder and asking if he should date her.. FFS

I am not married. I also had no intention of dating her, as if you read thr thread i was pretty sure she ws in it for the money, not a shock she was a gold digger. It was also okcupid, which is nothing like tinder.

 

[JUSTWANNARACE]

There isnt a person on this website that knew the man well enough personally to pass judgment on what happened in his personal life!! All anyone knows is what the media released and all around hearsay.. so to judge without knowing is asinine and just makes the people doing the judging look dumb.. JMO

I actually know a few rape victims and there is no way in hell they would have let the man walk for a check of any amount. That bullshit was about $ and was from the beginning!! Again this is JMO