It saddens me that it's come to this.

[angiebaby]

This thread shows EXACTLY how we arrived at this point in our nation.

Lack of appreciation and understanding of the opinions of others? Correct.





I understand those who are flying their flag upside-down. I get it.

However, my flag is not upside down.

Donate your money to the campaigns of conservative judges, DAs, and sheriffs. Better yet, go campaign for them, talk to your friends about them. Join local organizations, be involved in your community, attend your city council and county commission meetings. These are the things that can make a difference.

 

[dribble]

I took this pic at the Hangtown MX yesterday during the National Anthem. It gives me hope.

The United States of America is not in any type of freefall. It never has been and it never will. Are some people upset about the Donald Trump verdict? Absolutely. If the verdict went the other way, others would be upset as well. It's not going to change our daily lives. Today you can still do almost anything you would like to do and go anywhere you want to. Monday you will "get" to go to work. You don't have to but you get to. Like lbhsbz said, "but we’re still better than everyone else, who are headed down far worse paths." This is so correct. Please don't let this consume you. In the big picture it is actually very insignificant. There is no better place in the world than the USA! Our Flag represents that and it should always be raised high and proudly.

I took this pic at the Hangtown MX yesterday during the National Anthem. I for one have hope that our young people will one day set us back on the right course. We hear about the lazy whiny ass bitch millennials, we hear about antifa and their bullshit all over the news. What we don't hear about is this. It doesn't make news, if it doesn't sell news. I agree that we are the greatest country. As that country we have survived worse than what's going on right now. We will survive this.

​

 

[angiebaby]

Likely we all understand that the US President is actually elected by votes from delegates in the Electoral College. The number of delegates from each state is determined by the population of each state. CA is the most populous state and therefore has the most electoral delegates. Is CA a winner take all sate when it comes to their delegates? I can’t recall. If it is, I can better understand the distress felt by Trump voters in CA. Does Steve Garvey stand a chance at the Seanate seat? If so, then do everything possible to support him. I’m in favor of the Electoral College. And it is how Trump defeated Hilary in 2016.

Yes. All states are winner take all except Nebraska and Maine, I believe.

 

[River Lynchmob]

It disrespect, plain and symbol..

Everyone has their opinion.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

RDP is the last social media outlet I participate in, I hope we can all continue to enjoy the fantastic opportunity we have to recreate and share our interest in performance enthusiast extra curricular activities (e.g. boats, off road, RVs) I shit canned IG Friday night. I'm not willing support them anymore. I hope I can still enjoy RDP for the foreseeable future.

Don't try and boil the ocean. Change is not something that happens quickly and is extremely difficult to manage. Small changes add up to big results. Like turning the rudder on an aircraft carrier.

Sorry, the flag thing is not actionable. It's kinda like flying the I stand with[insert here] sticker or flag, great you back the blue, what does that mean?

What are you going to do about it is a fantastic question.

I'm not seeing a lot of suggestions about what to do about it. I'm pretty sure, the 2024 election does not go the way people on RDP want. I would love to believe we still have fair elections, but that ship has sailed for me. There is no human communicated truth for me now. I assume lies and seek facts when it suits me. Its all one big lie, we all live in a version of the Matrix, unless you break free.

Start doing what is best for yourself and family. If you depend on government, you will need to follow the rules they set. They want you dumb, they want you out of shape, they want you addicted, they want you compliant.

Plan your work and work your plan. If this is what inspires your change than something good comes of a bad situation.

 

[Looking Glass]

Lack of appreciation and understanding of the opinions of others? Correct.





I understand those who are flying their flag upside-down. I get it.

However, my flag is not upside down.

Donate your money to the campaigns of conservative judges, DAs, and sheriffs. Better yet, go campaign for them, talk to your friends about them. Join local organizations, be involved in your community, attend your city council and county commission meetings. These are the things that can make a difference.

All of this would have been wonderful if had been done, back in 2020.

 

[regor]

What you fail to realize is the ignorant want to remain ignorant...that's why they're ignorant. You're efforts are futile. Calm down and go to the lake and be distressed in your bote. Your anger effects nobody but you.

Horseshit.

You’re telling me people don’t change their mind?

 

[lbhsbz]

Horseshit.

You’re telling me people don’t change their mind?

People who's minds are changed by a rabid plankton need to have their heads examined

 

[rmarion]

You want to know why the left wins? They band together no matter what..


Look at this thread we have several people that share the same values and basically have the same message and they are divided and actually fighting about how the message is delivered..

RD

RD

exactly, what's occurring in this thread..

Strong Patriots .. MUST STAND TOGETHER

 

[monkeyswrench]

RD

exactly, what's occurring in this thread..

Strong Patriots .. MUST STAND TOGETHER

9/11 made people of the same general beliefs stand together. So did Pearl Harbor. Without any conspiracy thoughts, just looking at the outcomes of those events, they did just that. They brought people together.

Black Swan events have a shock to them that can do that. A tipping point, if you will. There will be some small events, like this court case, and maybe a few more, planned or unplanned, but there will come a larger one, one that cannot be controlled by our leadership. At that point, things may change for the better.

It may not be soon. It may not be for years, but it will come.

 

[Riverbound]

Jordy send his regards.

 

[Looking Glass]

It disrespect, plain and symbol..

"OF ALL PEOPLE", speaking of "Disrespect"

 

[Albert]

 

[River Lynchmob]

D

It disrespect, plain and symbol..

Do you mean, "it's disrespectful, plain and simple?"

I think butchering the English language is disrespectful.

 

[RiverDave]

I believe most of the founding fathers ended up near broke at the end of their lives.

Most of them and their families and friends (by association) were hung for treason.. I believe all of their homes were burnt to the ground.. Most gave the fortunes to the cause, others lost it.. I don't think any of them came out of it "ok" by our definition..

Something most people don't know, other than Franklin most of them were what we'd consider "kids" by todays standards.. I can't remember the exact ages, but I believe the youngest was 17-18? Most were in their younger 20's?

RD

 

[hallett21]

Most of them and their families and friends (by association) were hung for treason.. I believe all of their homes were burnt to the ground.. Most gave the fortunes to the cause, others lost it.. I don't think any of them came out of it "ok" by our definition..

Something most people don't know, other than Franklin most of them were what we'd consider "kids" by todays standards.. I can't remember the exact ages, but I believe the youngest was 17-18? Most were in their younger 20's?

RD

I’ve started and stopped this conversation 10x.

You’re on the money. When you’re (you/anyone)) ready push back and say enough is enough. Then you push back….. HARD!!!!!

 

[TeamGreene]

Most of them and their families and friends (by association) were hung for treason.. I believe all of their homes were burnt to the ground.. Most gave the fortunes to the cause, others lost it.. I don't think any of them came out of it "ok" by our definition..

Something most people don't know, other than Franklin most of them were what we'd consider "kids" by todays standards.. I can't remember the exact ages, but I believe the youngest was 17-18? Most were in their younger 20's?

RD

The Sacrifices Made By The Declaration Signers… | Michael W. Smith

michaelwsmith.com

 

[dezertrider]

This country is in dire need to correct all of the political corruption BS. Flying the flag upside down is appropriate for the times. I am guessing most of america feels this same way and now we need extreem measures for extreem time. The left always out plays the right and its now time the right gets off there asses and come together to save this country. Flying the flag upside down may get a few to pull there heads out of the sand and do soemting .

The left are a small group but they are organized and in our faces. We need to get these fuckers out of office as they are ruining it faster then though possible

 

[angiebaby]

Regarding the founding fathers, I assume we mean the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence ( Washington, Hamilton, and Madison did not sign the document but are largely included in the group). As the resident school marm, I feel an obligation to clarify some things.

Jefferson was 33
John Adams was 40
Sam Adams was 53
Hancock was 40

Most were between 30-60 years old. Several were in their 60s; Franklin was 70.
Most died of natural causes (I am unaware of any who were hung).
Many of their homes were burned during the war.
Most (not all) lost considerable amounts of their wealth, and many died penniless. Keep in mind that it was a war, and after the Declaration was signed (over a year into the war), it would be another eleven years before there was a legitimate government. So, many people lost their fortunes in the chaotic economy, not just the signers.

Several remained in politics, becoming congressmen, presidents, judges, or local politicians.

The sacrifices they made are pretty unimaginable for most of us, I think. They knew they risked being hung for treason. They knew they were risking the security of their families. They felt the cause was worth the risk.

There is a pretty good book titled "The Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence." I can't find it right now to see who the author is; many of my books are still packed away. There is one chapter on each signer. I like when the chapters are short; it makes for an easy read 5-10 minutes at a time.

Also, if you haven't seen the miniseries "John Adams" with Paul Giamatti and you are at all interested in this subject, I HIGHLY recommend you watch it. I believe Giamatti won an Emmy for his performance, but the woman who plays Abigail... wow!

 

[sdpm]

I was happy this morning to see the Flag. Just like I am every morning.

 

[River Lynchmob]

Regarding the founding fathers, I assume we mean the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence ( Washington, Hamilton, and Madison did not sign the document but are largely included in the group). As the resident school marm, I feel an obligation to clarify some things.

Jefferson was 33
John Adams was 40
Sam Adams was 53
Hancock was 40

Most were between 30-60 years old. Several were in their 60s; Franklin was 70.
Most died of natural causes (I am unaware of any who were hung)
Most (not all) lost considerable amounts of their wealth, and many died penniless. Keep in mind that it was a war, and after the Declaration was signed (over a year into the war), it would be another eleven years before there was a legitimate government. So, many people lost their fortunes in the chaotic economy, not just the signers.

Several remained in politics, becoming congressmen, presidents, judges, or local politicians.

The sacrifices they made are pretty unimaginable for most of us, I think. They knew they risked being hung for treason. They knew they were risking the security of their families. They felt the cause was worth the risk.

There is a pretty good book titled "The Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence." I can't find it right now to see who the author is; many of my books are still packed away. There is one chapter on each signer. I like when the chapters are short; it makes for an easy read 5-10 minutes at a time.

Also, if you haven't seen the miniseries "John Adams" with Paul Giamatti and you are at all interested in this subject, I HIGHLY recommend you watch it. I believe Giamatti won an Emmy for his performance, but the woman who plays Abigail... wow!

Charles Goodrich?

 

[angiebaby]

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I was happy this morning to see the Flag. Just like I am every morning.

I am traveling to Baltimore in July for work. I am really looking forward to seeing the Star-Spangled Banner flying over Ft. McHenry.

 

[angiebaby]

Charles Goodrich?

I'm not sure. Possibly. I looked on Amazon and saw several with the same title by a couple of different authors. It might be Lossing.
None of the covers look familiar. I would guess any would be good, as long as they have sources, either footnotes or endnotes, not merely a bibliography.

 

[FreeBird236]

Regarding the founding fathers, I assume we mean the 56 signers of the Declaration of Independence ( Washington, Hamilton, and Madison did not sign the document but are largely included in the group). As the resident school marm, I feel an obligation to clarify some things.

Jefferson was 33
John Adams was 40
Sam Adams was 53
Hancock was 40

Most were between 30-60 years old. Several were in their 60s; Franklin was 70.
Most died of natural causes (I am unaware of any who were hung).
Many of their homes were burned during the war.
Most (not all) lost considerable amounts of their wealth, and many died penniless. Keep in mind that it was a war, and after the Declaration was signed (over a year into the war), it would be another eleven years before there was a legitimate government. So, many people lost their fortunes in the chaotic economy, not just the signers.

Several remained in politics, becoming congressmen, presidents, judges, or local politicians.

The sacrifices they made are pretty unimaginable for most of us, I think. They knew they risked being hung for treason. They knew they were risking the security of their families. They felt the cause was worth the risk.

There is a pretty good book titled "The Lives of the Signers of the Declaration of Independence." I can't find it right now to see who the author is; many of my books are still packed away. There is one chapter on each signer. I like when the chapters are short; it makes for an easy read 5-10 minutes at a time.

Also, if you haven't seen the miniseries "John Adams" with Paul Giamatti and you are at all interested in this subject, I HIGHLY recommend you watch it. I believe Giamatti won an Emmy for his performance, but the woman who plays Abigail... wow!

Everyone grows up knowing George Washington was the first president but that's about it. Several years ago, I watched a mini series on the presidents, may have been based on a Kilmeade or O Reilly book don't remember, but anyways I really didn't realize how important George Washington was, basically I came away with a new respect for George Washington.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Everyone grows up knowing George Washington was the first president but that's about it. Several years ago, I watched a mini series on the presidents, may have been based on a Kilmeade or O Reilly book don't remember, but anyways I really didn't realize how important George Washington was, basically I came away with a new respect for George Washington.

From what I've read, I believe he didn't want the job of "President". It does sound as though he was the original American badass though. Yes, he was the first in office, but it sounds, above all else, he was a leader. We are sorely lacking anyone with that quality in office now.

 

[RogerThat99]

This thread has been an interesting read. I fly a flag at my house nearly every day. I have never flown mine upside down, but I don't disagree with those that are flying it upside down.

What I found most interesting is the heated (angry) debate over flying the flag upside down by a group of people that are, for the most part, on the same side of the political equation. Most of us on RDP are patriotic, love our country (at least what it used to be), and fly the flag at home. Yet we can get so divided over whether the flag should be being flown upside down right now.

Juat an observation. Carry on...

 

[regor]

Megyn finally gets it..................

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1796377430719873482

Once you understand who you're fighting against, your tactics become crystal clear.

 

[was thatguy]

To be clear on my stance, I have no problem with the act of anyone flying their flag upside down…my problem is with some thinking it is accomplishing anything.
It is not. It’s really just virtue signaling.
Fly it however you want…just don’t pretend it’s a solution.
An upside down flag was originally a sign of distress. Not a protest or a statement, but a literal “I need help” message.
Well, no one is coming to help.

 

[Wedgy]

"Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose."

The Sacrifices Made By The Declaration Signers…​

By MichaelWSmith.com | News | Comments are Closed | 4 July, 2015 | 360
Happy July 4 to everyone here in America. Just a reminder of the price that was paid for our freedom.

ATTENTION. TEACHER SAYS MOST OF THIS IS BULLSHIT.
So BEWARE.

IDK. JUST REPOSTED THE TEXT. From the OG thread.

I honestly just did not know the great sacrifices that these men paid… Makes me love this country even more.
=======================================
What happened to the signers of the Declaration of Independence?
This is the Price They Paid

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the revolutionary army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the revolutionary war.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers or both, looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

To be clear on my stance, I have no problem with the act of anyone flying their flag upside down…my problem is with some thinking it is accomplishing anything.
It is not. It’s really just virtue signaling.
Fly it however you want…just don’t pretend it’s a solution.
An upside down flag was originally a sign of distress. Not a protest or a statement, but a literal “I need help” message.
Well, no one is coming to help.

I think it is a way to inform people that you may or may not know what you think about the state of our country and also "May" be a sign of solidarity.

 

[Wedgy]

About the upside down flag. I wouldn't doubt that since we are all deplorable domestic terrorists anyway already, due to political party affiliation? I'd say just flying the flag right side up will get you put on a list. Upside down You move to the top of the list. Just Sayin. Stealth.

So an old Vietnam vet, put up a 'Muslim Free Zone!' sign in the trailer park. Um,, yeah.
The ensuing parade of marked and unmarked LE vehicles doing drive by's was ah, quite massive...!

 

[Wmc]

I choose not to fly my flag upside down. I choose to fly another flag under it.

River Dave is correct. The left wins because they stick together no matter what. The right fights with each other because someone doesn't get to call the plays they wrote up, gets pissed and said fuck that guy. We are all on the same team. And to win we have to put our egos down and play as a team. The good, the bad, the ugly

It's team work that makes the dream work.

 

[OkHallett270]

I display my flag with the stars on the top left as described in the flag code. However, I have seen many flags in the yards of veterans in areas I have lived in the past few years hanging upside down. I do believe we are in a time of distress as a union. I do believe that flying it upside down sends a message to others to wake up and pay attention if they aren’t already doing so. I’m 41, I believe in my lifetime some ugly stuff is coming on our soil. I am a red blooded American patriot. I believe in what this country was founded on and what that flag stands for. I believe as the founding fathers did that the cause is worthy of laying down my life. I have never been in the military, but I would fight for this country if I had to. It’s easy for me to say as I don’t have a family to provide for and protect. But I think that makes it even more of a responsibility for someone like me because I don’t have that to hold me back. It makes me sick how this country has turned since I was a kid. When I was young I was looking forward to pursuing happiness and prosperity in this great country. As I have grown older happiness and prosperity have become ever increasingly difficult to obtain. I just keep my head down and keep on keeping on! It’s all we can do really. That and vote. The book of Ecclesiastes says that all a man can do in life is find something he enjoys doing and do it. I try to enjoy my life and not let this political crap get to me. Sometimes it’s hard to ignore it and to an extent it’s our responsibility as Americans to pay attention to the state of the union that technically should be By the People and For the People.

 

[angiebaby]

"Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose."

The Sacrifices Made By The Declaration Signers…​

By MichaelWSmith.com | News | Comments are Closed | 4 July, 2015 | 360
Happy July 4 to everyone here in America. Just a reminder of the price that was paid for our freedom. I honestly just did not know the great sacrifices that these men paid… Makes me love this country even more.
=======================================
What happened to the signers of the Declaration of Independence?
This is the Price They Paid

Have you ever wondered what happened to the 56 men who signed the Declaration of Independence?

Five signers were captured by the British as traitors, and tortured before they died. Twelve had their homes ransacked and burned. Two lost their sons in the revolutionary army, another had two sons captured. Nine of the 56 fought and died from wounds or hardships of the revolutionary war.

They signed and they pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.
What kind of men were they? Twenty-four were lawyers and jurists. Eleven were merchants, nine were farmers and large plantation owners, men of means, well educated. But they signed the Declaration of Independence knowing full well that the penalty would be death if they were captured.

Carter Braxton of Virginia, a wealthy planter and trader, saw his ships swept from the seas by the British Navy. He sold his home and properties to pay his debts, and died in rags.

Thomas McKeam was so hounded by the British that he was forced to move his family almost constantly. He served in the Congress without pay, and his family was kept in hiding. His possessions were taken from him, and poverty was his reward.
Vandals or soldiers or both, looted the properties of Ellery, Clymer, Hall, Walton, Gwinnett, Heyward, Ruttledge, and Middleton.

At the battle of Yorktown, Thomas Nelson Jr., noted that the British General Cornwallis had taken over the Nelson home for his headquarters. The owner quietly urged General George Washington to open fire. The home was destroyed, and Nelson died bankrupt.
Francis Lewis had his home and properties destroyed. The enemy jailed his wife, and she died within a few months.

John Hart was driven from his wife’s bedside as she was dying. Their 13 children fled for their lives. His fields and his gristmill were laid to waste. For more than a year he lived in forests and caves, returning home to find his wife dead and his children vanished. A few weeks later he died from exhaustion and a broken heart. Norris and Livingston suffered similar fates.
Such were the stories and sacrifices of the American Revolution. These were not wild eyed, rabble-rousing ruffians. They were soft-spoken men of means and education. They had security, but they valued liberty more. Standing tall, straight, and unwavering, they pledged: “For the support of this declaration, with firm reliance on the protection of the divine providence, we mutually pledge to each other, our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.”

I don't mean to call you and TeamGreene out, but I have to address this.

I feel the need to ask, who is this Michael J. Smith? What are his sources? What kind of research did he do before writing this? Why should we trust what this Joe Schmo is posting on the internet? Why are the comments closed? (hint: so no one can refute his page) This is no more reliable than a blog posted by Grads. May be reliable, maybe not. According to USA Today, most of what I read in Smith's article was lifted from a chain email that floated around in the 90s. I only post this because it is the second time it has been shared on this thread, and because it is one of the first hits when you do a search on the subject. It is not a reliable source, and there are many inaccuracies in the article, along with some truths. Please be careful when reading things and ask yourself these kinds of questions before you believe it as the truth. That goes for anything. Practice critical thinking with everything these days.

Several websites have the same verbatim quotes, also with no source, about the 5 captured and tortured signers. This is not true. Yes, 5 were captured. None of them were killed by the British. They were merely prisoners of war captured as soldiers and treated like any other (not well). None died in British custody. All were released. There isn't documentation that their captors even knew they had signed the document.

These men sacrificed an immense amount. I don't understand the need to embellish on their sacrifices. Do you want to know why so many were broke? They took their gold and silver coins (specie) and exchanged them for Continental dollars to show their support for the revolution. These dollars eventually became worthless and the subject of a joke when my parents were little. "I'll give you a Continental for it," meant something was worthless. The gold and silver went to support the war effort. Because they were smart, resourceful, and connected, many were able to recover and do well for themselves after the war, but the risk was still taken and the personal suffering still occurred, nevertheless.

Here are some decent sources if you don't have the time to read a book

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/declaration/bio.htm

USA Today article

https://www.dar.org/archives/signers-declaration-independence

http://www.npshistory.com/publications/nhl/theme-studies/signers-declaration.pdf. (this is an online book published by the National Park Service)

https://www.constitutionfacts.com/content/declaration/files/Declaration_AboutTheSigners.pdf



BTW, Michael W. Smith is a Christian music singer. According to his website, he tours with Amy Grant and Franklin Graham.

 

[TonyFanelli]

"Freedom's just another word, for nothing left to lose."

Easy there Janis...that was only for Bobby McGee

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Okay, I have to ask, who is this Michael J. Smith? What are his sources? Why should we trust what this Joe Schmo is posting on the internet? Why are the comments closed? (hint: so no one can refute his page) This is no more reliable than a blog posted by Grads. May be reliable, maybe not. According to USA Today, most of what I read in Smith's article was lifted from a chain email that floated around in the 90s. I only post this because it is the second time it has been shared on this thread, and because it is one of the first hits when you do a search on the subject. It is not a reliable source, and there are many inaccuracies in the article, along with some truths.

Several websites have the same verbatim quotes, also with no source about the 5 captured and tortured signers. This is not true. Yes, 5 were captured. None of them were killed by the British. They were merely prisoners of war captured as soldiers and treated like any other (not well). None died in British custody. All were released. There isn't documentation that their captors even knew they had signed the document.

These men sacrificed an immense amount. I don't understand the need to embellish on their sacrifices. Do you want to know why so many were broke? They took their gold and silver coins (specie) and exchanged them for Continental dollars to show their support for the revolution. These dollars eventually became worthless and the subject of a joke when my parents were little. "I'll give you a Continental for it," meant something was worthless. The gold and silver went to support the war effort. Because they were smart, resourceful, and connected, many were able to recover and do well for themselves after the war, but the risk was still taken and the personal suffering still occurred, nevertheless.

Here are some decent sources if you don't want to take the time to read a book

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/declaration/bio.htm

USA Today article

https://www.dar.org/archives/signers-declaration-independence

http://www.npshistory.com/publications/nhl/theme-studies/signers-declaration.pdf. (this is an online book published by the National Park Service)

https://www.constitutionfacts.com/content/declaration/files/Declaration_AboutTheSigners.pdf

My only truth is nature.

 

[hallett21]

I don't mean to call you and TeamGreene out, but I have to address this.

I feel the need to ask, who is this Michael J. Smith? What are his sources? What kind of research did he to before writing this? Why should we trust what this Joe Schmo is posting on the internet? Why are the comments closed? (hint: so no one can refute his page) This is no more reliable than a blog posted by Grads. May be reliable, maybe not. According to USA Today, most of what I read in Smith's article was lifted from a chain email that floated around in the 90s. I only post this because it is the second time it has been shared on this thread, and because it is one of the first hits when you do a search on the subject. It is not a reliable source, and there are many inaccuracies in the article, along with some truths. Please be careful when reading things and ask yourself these kinds of questions before you believe it as the truth. That goes for anything. Practice critical thinking with everything these days.

Several websites have the same verbatim quotes, also with no source, about the 5 captured and tortured signers. This is not true. Yes, 5 were captured. None of them were killed by the British. They were merely prisoners of war captured as soldiers and treated like any other (not well). None died in British custody. All were released. There isn't documentation that their captors even knew they had signed the document.

These men sacrificed an immense amount. I don't understand the need to embellish on their sacrifices. Do you want to know why so many were broke? They took their gold and silver coins (specie) and exchanged them for Continental dollars to show their support for the revolution. These dollars eventually became worthless and the subject of a joke when my parents were little. "I'll give you a Continental for it," meant something was worthless. The gold and silver went to support the war effort. Because they were smart, resourceful, and connected, many were able to recover and do well for themselves after the war, but the risk was still taken and the personal suffering still occurred, nevertheless.

Here are some decent sources if you don't have the time to read a book

https://www.nps.gov/parkhistory/online_books/declaration/bio.htm

USA Today article

https://www.dar.org/archives/signers-declaration-independence

http://www.npshistory.com/publications/nhl/theme-studies/signers-declaration.pdf. (this is an online book published by the National Park Service)

https://www.constitutionfacts.com/content/declaration/files/Declaration_AboutTheSigners.pdf



BTW, Michael W. Smith is a Christian music singer. According to his website, he tours with Amy Grant and Franklin Graham.

Damn the teacher mic dropped.

 

[Wedgy]

Well. Enough talk about the dead guys. If I fucked up, I'll fix it. Just reposting, so..

Much respect for the teachers. I am one of a family. My Cousin's don't take false info lightly either. And they aren't afraid to use the rod too. I'll put a disclaimer on the repost. My bad. Teach.

I am/was the asshole Boss my Trainee's hope they never have.

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Damn the teacher mic dropped.

She needs an outlet for all that collection of historical fact, now that she no longer influences the hearts and minds of our youth. It's good that you all let her flex now and then, it takes some pressure of me. I never let facts get in the way of a good story.

 

[TeamGreene]

Signers of the Declaration of Independence

Brief but detail-rich biographies of all the signers of the Declaration of Independence.

www.ushistory.org

Signers of the Declaration of Independence

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www.archives.gov

 

[Snorre]

I see all this left-liberal and lgbqfuck going on everywhere

 

[DLC]

Part of the problem is -

what are You are going to do as an individual ….

United we Stand !
Divided We Fall…


It Should be

What Can WE do as a GROUP !

Can we get Every RDP inmate to Fly the Flag at their home ?
and
not just on the 4th of July

What a simple idea, That shows unity & love of country.

Our country is NOT being Lead, it’s being pushed / bullied and We are Being Divided pitted one against the other
That needs to Stop !



We need a Leader to lead, more than ever !!

 

[Racey]

To be clear on my stance, I have no problem with the act of anyone flying their flag upside down…my problem is with some thinking it is accomplishing anything.
It is not. It’s really just virtue signaling.
Fly it however you want…just don’t pretend it’s a solution.
An upside down flag was originally a sign of distress. Not a protest or a statement, but a literal “I need help” message.
Well, no one is coming to help.

Did anyone here claim flying a flag was going to solve something?

Does talking to your friends or neighbors accomplish anything?

Does posting on an internet forum accomplish anything?

What exactly are we talking about here?.....

 

[Looking Glass]

I display my flag with the stars on the top left as described in the flag code. However, I have seen many flags in the yards of veterans in areas I have lived in the past few years hanging upside down. I do believe we are in a time of distress as a union. I do believe that flying it upside down sends a message to others to wake up and pay attention if they aren’t already doing so. I’m 41, I believe in my lifetime some ugly stuff is coming on our soil. I am a red blooded American patriot. I believe in what this country was founded on and what that flag stands for. I believe as the founding fathers did that the cause is worthy of laying down my life. I have never been in the military, but I would fight for this country if I had to. It’s easy for me to say as I don’t have a family to provide for and protect. But I think that makes it even more of a responsibility for someone like me because I don’t have that to hold me back. It makes me sick how this country has turned since I was a kid. When I was young I was looking forward to pursuing happiness and prosperity in this great country. As I have grown older happiness and prosperity have become ever increasingly difficult to obtain. I just keep my head down and keep on keeping on! It’s all we can do really. That and vote. The book of Ecclesiastes says that all a man can do in life is find something he enjoys doing and do it. I try to enjoy my life and not let this political crap get to me. Sometimes it’s hard to ignore it and to an extent it’s our responsibility as Americans to pay attention to the state of the union that technically should be By the People and For the People. View attachment 1383645

"IGNORE IT", Maybe that is Exactly how we have found ourselves where we are. Just like in California, when everything is great and running smoothly people are Not concerned with watching every detail. That is when and how the "Liberal Trash" begins to "PICK" away here and there, then One Day people wake up and ask "What Happened, What Is Going On'?

On the day "1" Of "Barandon's" Administration, he Shut down the "Keystone", and "Opened The Border, Both without a Vote of the People and by "Executive Orders"

Maybe it is Too Late OR "Time" to Pay Attention.

 

[angiebaby]

Well. Enough talk about the dead guys. If I fucked up, I'll fix it. Just reposting, so..

Much respect for the teachers. I am one of a family. My Cousin's don't take false info lightly either. And they aren't afraid to use the rod too. I'll put a disclaimer on the repost. My bad. Teach.

I am/was the asshole Boss my Trainee's hope they never have.

Your edit

No harm done.

I'm sorry I can't help myself. I appreciate everyone here allowing my occasional indulgence. I wouldn't say I'm an expert, but as most of you know, History is my passion, especially US History. Mr. Smith's passion is singing Christian music. I'm sure he has a great voice. However, he should stay in his lane.

 

[angiebaby]

I see all this left-liberal and lgbqfuck going on everywhere

You're going to fit in well here

 

[whiteworks]

Did anyone here claim flying a flag was going to solve something?

Does talking to your friends or neighbors accomplish anything?

Does posting on an internet forum accomplish anything?

What exactly are we talking about here?.....

Virtue signaling, we’re talking about virtue signaling

 

[OCMerrill]

Saw this on FB yesterday. Thought it was pretty awesome. I fly the flag at my house every day however I don't have it currently upside down.

 

[jonnyd]

How wonderful it is to see the interest and passion that this thread has mustered! I have stayed clear of this thread until now but I would like to make an observation. You see from my point of view I don't see a problem with how we fly our flag but rather that we all respect our flag and the Nation that it represents.

Here we are on June 4, 2024 on a boating site of all places. We should be debating upon which prop to use and why jet boats are so much fun but instead there is something much more important to all of us and that is the future of our Nation. This thread shows me that we are waking up. Suddenly our flag matters more than whether we might see some pasties on some chick at the sand bar.

I personally don't have an answer to the question about how to get involved and what is our first step to getting back to the great nation we once were, but I do have hope for our future. I read something this week that should put the fear of God into every enemy of our nation. The title of the article is "The most terrifying force of death, comes from the hands of Men who just wanted to be left alone!"

Doe's just wanting to be left alone sound like you because if I'm honest that is exactly what I have tried my best to accomplish most of my life. Being silent when I should have been loud and angry has only harmed me, but I also feel a battle cry building in my heart and I'm ready to roar!

My father brought me into this battle in 2008. He was passionate about his Family, his Nation and Christ and was not ashamed to speak with anyone about all three. He and I prayed many times for our future and I have never doubted that God would answer our prayer. It may seem dark right now, but I know the light always outshines the dark.

I've never been so proud to be an American! Our best days are ahead of us and so I choose to speak life over our Nation. The future may not be an easy one but the best things in life never are.

 

[regor]

Talk about coming together!!!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1798022319321092376

Courage is contagious.