Holy Grail Acquired! 2FF - 270

[Runs2rch]

Again, 320/390 isn't going to be shit with a 4spd/OD towing a 6k boat.

Shake away brother.

To give you an idea. We have a 2015 crew cab 4 wheel drive Silverado 5.3 rated at 355/383. Tow rating 11200 in stock configuration. I leveled the truck, added 33 E rated BFG all terrains, and 5100 Bilsteins.

Stock tow rating factors p rated tires. We picked up or 335 Hallett in Havasu and pulled it to Mead cruising 55-60 easily. The truck would easily get out more if I let it.

Trans temp never creeped over 180 and coolant hit 212 for a few min. Pulling from the lake to Storage is a huge hill. 4k it pulls the hill at dead on 50mph. Does not get over 215 in 110 ambient temp.

I am giving you actual real world numbers and experience. Not some armchair QB BS that a New car salesmen would at the dealer telling you this truck will pull the spaceshuttle up kilamanjaro.

 

[wsuwrhr]

To give you an idea. We have a 2015 crew cab 4 wheel drive Silverado 5.3 rated at 355/383. Tow rating 11200 in stock configuration. I leveled the truck, added 33 E rated BFG all terrains, and 5100 Bilsteins.

Stock tow rating factors p rated tires. We picked up or 335 Hallett in Havasu and pulled it to Mead cruising 55-60 easily. The truck would easily get out more if I let it.

Trans temp never creeped over 180 and coolant hit 212 for a few min. Pulling from the lake to Storage is a huge hill. 4k it pulls the hill at dead on 50mph. Does not get over 215 in 110 ambient temp.

I am giving you actual real world numbers and experience. Not some armchair QB BS that a New car salesmen would at the dealer telling you this truck will pull the spaceshuttle up kilamanjaro.

:tbi

 

[wsuwrhr]

So when is rd getting up in the morning? I am waiting to hear how rd the Mrs and chitlins liked the new sled.

Brian

 

[spectras only]

Again, 320/390 isn't going to be shit with a 4spd/OD towing a 6k boat.

Shake away brother.

Brian, if Dave has the 5.4 Triton [ 300HP ] it will still tow the Hallett if you say it weighs 6K. When I had my Navi with the 5.4 DOHC 32V Intech and four speed, I had no problem pulling my 8.350 lbs boat or TT up on the Coquihalla to Kelowna from Vancouver. Or, on the Hope Princecton full of turns and steep grades. Yeah the 5.4 did rev in third and sometimes second gear but never hurt either the engine or tranny.:thumbsup Of course, there's no comparison in tow capability between the ecoboost and the 5.4's . Maybe Dave should find an older Ford with V-10 if he doesn't have the found for a new diesel now.

 

[brgrcru]

so this means, no ski wake boat for the kids? I thought, you were going, to get something, more for the family watersports.

 

[Joker]

To give you an idea. We have a 2015 crew cab 4 wheel drive Silverado 5.3 rated at 355/383. Tow rating 11200 in stock configuration. I leveled the truck, added 33 E rated BFG all terrains, and 5100 Bilsteins.

Stock tow rating factors p rated tires. We picked up or 335 Hallett in Havasu and pulled it to Mead cruising 55-60 easily. The truck would easily get out more if I let it.

Trans temp never creeped over 180 and coolant hit 212 for a few min. Pulling from the lake to Storage is a huge hill. 4k it pulls the hill at dead on 50mph. Does not get over 215 in 110 ambient temp.

I am giving you actual real world numbers and experience. Not some armchair QB BS that a New car salesmen would at the dealer telling you this truck will pull the spaceshuttle up kilamanjaro.

You must have had a good 5.3. Mine was a POS and struggled towing our 22. Best day of my life was selling it after 1 year.

 

[fishing fool]

You must have had a good 5.3. Mine was a POS and struggled towing our 22. Best day of my life was selling it after 1 year.

But did you have 5100 bilstein shocks on it????

 

[Runs2rch]

You must have had a good 5.3. Mine was a POS and struggled towing our 22. Best day of my life was selling it after 1 year.

I remember your thread on that. Your truck had 3.08's though right? Same reason you can put one factory motor on the dyno and have a large gap in power. 03/04 Cobra as an example. Stock I have seen as low as 330 rwhp and as high as 390 rwhp. From a factory 390hp crank motor.

But did you have 5100 bilstein shocks on it????

Bilstein packs Unicorns in every shock :thumbsup

 

[Cole Trickle]

You must have had a good 5.3. Mine was a POS and struggled towing our 22. Best day of my life was selling it after 1 year.

I still think that truck had an issue....weird

I have owned 7 5.3 Silverados since 03 and they have all been great and towed with no problem. Our 2014 is easily the strongest of the bunch.

 

[Joker]

But did you have 5100 bilstein shocks on it????

Negative, I'm not sure that would have helped the motor. When the dealer called me and said it was a dog, I figured it was the wrong truck for me.

 

[RiverDave]

So when is rd getting up in the morning? I am waiting to hear how rd the Mrs and chitlins liked the new sled.

Brian

Busy prepping for DCB Regatta right now and finishing up some articles. Going to run it this afternoon with fishing fool and Andy01 before I put my kids in it.

 

[fishing fool]

Does someone want to call 2FF and see what he has to say about it.
If I remember correct he is a expert on tow vehicles.

 

[Runs2rch]

I still think that truck had an issue....weird

I have owned 7 5.3 Silverados since 03 and they have all been great and towed with no problem. Our 2014 is easily the strongest of the bunch.

Have not owned as many as you CT, but have worked on a ton of them. Have a few customers well over 200k. They are starting to use a little oil, but other than that business as usual.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Busy prepping for DCB Regatta right now and finishing up some articles. Going to run it this afternoon with fishing fool and Andy01 before I put my kids in it.

Bummer, figured you would be running it first thing.

Do you think it will be unsafe?

Brian

 

[Ballyhoo]

Going to run it tomorrow..

We will be out tomorrow. I will keep an eye out for you. We will be in the 24 Schiada

 

[Cole Trickle]

Have not owned as many as you CT, but have worked on a ton of them. Have a few customers well over 200k. They are starting to use a little oil, but other than that business as usual.

All of mine have been great...The 6 speed helped and the newer 2014+ 5.3 is stronger hp wise than the rest.

You have to spin the 5.3 up the hill to pull they are not diesels.

 

[Runs2rch]

All of mine have been great...The 6 speed helped and the newer 2014+ 5.3 is stronger hp wise than the rest.

You have to spin the 5.3 up the hill to pull they are not diesels.

Exactly. :thumbsup:thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[BHC Vic]

Bummer, figured you would be running it first thing.

Do you think it will be unsafe?

Brian

It has known issues and your first idea is to throw the kids in? 🤔

 

[JBS]

Let's not make this into a "towing" thread.
You are all right the truck will tow it to and from the ramp. If you want to keep the truck towing it across the desert it will not last.

And please this is "motherfucking river dave" we are talking about. If he plans on towing it he will get a real tow rig.

https://mohave.craigslist.org/ctd/d/2008-ford-f650-xuv-conversion/6286572439.html

Close but the reality is he will have Jeff Murray transport it for him

 

[Englewood]

Nice Nordic! Too Soon?

 

[mjc]

It has known issues and your first idea is to throw the kids in? 🤔

Perceived issues

 

[Ziggy]

Some peeps must have different standards on what "towing OK" means.

I guess I don't like being the slowest guy in the slow lane, no matter what I'm rollin.

I don't want the vehicle to make the decision on how slow we are going when the speed limit is 55.

What do you win for getting up the grade first? [emoji471]

 

[wsuwrhr]

What do you win for getting up the grade first? [emoji471]

No idea, no one ever handed out awards.

My pride doesn't sit well being in last place. Yours Zigster?

Brian

 

[Dkahnjob]

Congratulations Dave on the new boat. It looks like it is the same as mine. 270T Straight bottom, with twin Scorpions. This is a great combo. You will love it. Really easy on gas (10 GPH total for both engines typically).
I have 26" pitch props on mine turning out. Very easy to manuver around the docks. At full throttle I keep my tabs down a bit (about 2.5-3) so that it doesn't chine walk. Chine walking is no fun! You already know that the Scorpions are great power plants.
Have fun.
Dave K.

 

[Ziggy]

I understand how it works.

Good god, so if the car is in second gear its only gonna pull so many rpms and build so much heat before that's it for the motor, or trans. It isn't rocket science.

I want it to be a perfect tow, not just a good tow.

Most 5.0 ish engines are NOT going to pull a Cajon/Baker/Needles type grade at 3500-4k in 1:1 with a vehicle full of peeps and shit for a trip to the lake doooood. No matter how far you push the gas pedal through to firewall. Sorry.



Brian

I was gonna say kinda the same thing as R2R, you're not talking about the modern day car/truck but rather old school engineering.

You make me shake my head man. This isn't the age of 440's, 460's and 454's doooood.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I was gonna say kinda the same thing as R2R, you're not talking about the modern day car/truck but rather old school engineering.

A 2000 Sierra and 2007 Yukun are old school engineering?:headscratch:

 

[Ziggy]

You must have had a good 5.3. Mine was a POS and struggled towing our 22. Best day of my life was selling it after 1 year.

I still think that truck had an issue....weird

I have owned 7 5.3 Silverados since 03 and they have all been great and towed with no problem. Our 2014 is easily the strongest of the bunch.

I tow my Nordic to and from marina with a 5.3 Saab 9-7x SUV

 

[Ziggy]

No idea, no one ever handed out awards.

My pride doesn't sit well being in last place. Yours Zigster?

Brian

There is no last place on the highway my friend, there are thousands of others behind you.
The only one that GAF is your mind.

 

[CLdrinker]

I understand how it works.

Good god, so if the car is in second gear its only gonna pull so many rpms and build so much heat before that's it for the motor, or trans. It isn't rocket science.

I want it to be a perfect tow, not just a good tow.

Most 5.0 ish engines are NOT going to pull a Cajon/Baker/Needles type grade at 3500-4k in 1:1 with a vehicle full of peeps and shit for a trip to the lake doooood. No matter how far you push the gas pedal through to firewall. Sorry.



Brian

You have no clue wtf your talking about.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I tow my Nordic to and from marina with a 5.3 Saab 9-7x SUV

Prolly could do it with a Rhino or golf cart.

Brian

 

[wsuwrhr]

You have no clue wtf your talking about.

Right.

BTW...it's you're, youre, yooorrr, or yore.

 

[Ziggy]

A 2000 Sierra and 2007 Yukun are old school engineering?:headscratch:

10 and 17 yr old engineering....yup.[emoji4]

 

[wsuwrhr]

There is no last place on the highway my friend, there are thousands of others behind you.
The only one that GAF is your mind.

Noted.

Yes sir.

 

[wsuwrhr]

10 and 17 yr old engineering....yup.[emoji4]

FYI, rd's 5.4 f150 is either an 09-10.

You know, the truck in question here.

 

[Ziggy]

Prolly could do it with a Rhino or golf cart.

Brian

Find me a Rhino or golf cart that can pull 7k lbs plus out of the ramp and up the hill 5 miles....[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Congratulations Dave on the new boat. It looks like it is the same as mine. 270T Straight bottom, with twin Scorpions. This is a great combo. You will love it. Really easy on gas (10 GPH total for both engines typically).
I have 26" pitch props on mine turning out. Very easy to manuver around the docks. At full throttle I keep my tabs down a bit (about 2.5-3) so that it doesn't chine walk. Chine walking is no fun! You already know that the Scorpions are great power plants.
Have fun.
Dave K.

Years back I bought a 26' Sutphen with twin small blocks from a guy in Chicago and sold it to a friend in Phoenix.
It was named "Airtime" for a good reason. When it chine walked, it REALLY chine walked.

 

[Englewood]

Why did this turn into a towing thread?

I tow my 40' 5th wheel with a Tacoma and Ive never had a problem.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Find me a Rhino or golf cart that can pull 7k lbs plus out of the ramp and up the hill 5 miles....[emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23] [emoji23]

It was a kid Zigmeister.

 

[Ziggy]

FYI, rd's 5.4 f150 is either an 09-10.

You know, the truck in question here.

Did he ask everyone to judge whether his truck was capable or not? I sure didn't see it if he did.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Did he ask everyone to judge whether his truck was capable or not? I sure didn't see it if he did.

Peeps are looking out for our fearless leader, Ill find the post, since you are concerned about what everyone else is concerned about.

 

[RiverDave]

OK... Lots of answers today.

What time do you want me over??? [emoji41]

I'm thinking like 3?

I'm seeing steps too... But why is it that everyone praises the straight bottom? Does the stepped model handle worse or just different?

BTW: I would love to have this exact boat... Those scorpions were way ahead of their time. Not sure why they ditched them?

Congrats Dave... If your Schiada goes up for sale, maybe give me a heads up. If I could dump the 22 for a decent price, I might really be interested. :thumbsup

I'm keeping my Schiada.. It's going to get a minor make over here pretty quick. Leaving at the end of the month to go back to Schiada, Bear Trailers and possibly Boostpower.

Because it is the badest mofo on the water.

It is 2FF marketing.

THIS!

Straight bottom has very predictable handling characteristics. The step bottom feels looser at speed. But with the twins I'm sure you wouldn't have an issue.

Nailed it.. I don't like the Step Bottom Hallett's, but I think the stability with the Twins any problems they did have could easily be overcome.

Because Merc overpriced them. You could just get a 496 HO instead for cheaper, so these never sold that well. And many are scared of small blocks.

A lot of smaller boats ran better with the Scorpion than the big block. Would get on plane faster and have a higher top end. Big Block always has more mid range punch though. For applications like a 27-32' boat though, the Scorpions were the cats ass.

Have fun Dave, no doubt you will get it dialed in quickly.

Well I have to watch my pennies here a little bit, but I have some ideas.

Congrats Dave!

I am sure you will get her dialed in. I read the post from Steve on what he did and simply could not understand the decisions he made nor why he refused to us the trim plates to help get the boat on plane and with the chine walking, that's what they are there for. Instead dropped the drives down, made no sense...... Yea that would help get the boat on plane, deep props= no cavitation and lots of leverage but at what sacrifice? Get the X dimension, prop selection and rotation right and use the tabs for what they are intended and you should be good.

Super nice boat, see ya out there!

Pushing the props down doesn't make any sense to me either. I would've left them were they were at, or if anything gone UP. I'm going to try it like it is for the weekend.. Then put it back to the way it was originally, spinning out, without the spacers. Then after that I'll likely throw a set of Revolution's on it and see how it runs and start working backwards from there.

Congrats Dave! Bitchen boat. I love the twin small blocks.

However you really missed the op to title the thread " HEY LOOK AT ME; LOOK WHAT I GOT!".

Almost did the Hey Lam.. It's just not me.

Try a set of Rev 4's. They work way better on a 27 than Bravo 1's. With the BS motors a pair of 23's should work perfect.

Are you putting new lowers on it also?

The sad part is it's like Uncle Joe says he rebuilds carbs and it never ever runs right again. That is 2FF :eek

The lowers are fine upon inspection. Once I push them back up out of the water stream I'm not sure that the material removed would have any play on the handling characteristics of the boat.

It only took you two months to find a way to acquire it....well done[emoji106]

Preston is the MAN!

Let's not make this into a "towing" thread.
You are all right the truck will tow it to and from the ramp. If you want to keep the truck towing it across the desert it will not last.

And please this is "motherfucking river dave" we are talking about. If he plans on towing it he will get a real tow rig.

https://mohave.craigslist.org/ctd/d/2008-ford-f650-xuv-conversion/6286572439.html

Yeah... NO. I can't afford that damn thing! And I sure wouldn't want it as my daily driver!

Dave, few questions. Is your F-150 an eco-boost? Does it have 3:73 gears? If yes, there will be no problem pulling no matter what grade. Second, you calling the engines black Scorpions. Aren't the real 377 scorpions blue? Pictures of yur setup would be appreciated. Before I tuned my Bravo1 26P props, boat hopped on plane quick and mid accelaration was unreal. Now that since I had my props tuned to a real 26P [ factory was somewhat between 24-25+ cup ] for more top speed, I have to lay the boat side to side getting on plane quick, especially with 4-5 people on board. I probably re-tune my props because i prefer hard accelaration to top speed. Rev limiters used to cut in above 5150 before but with max 5000 @ WOT, never does. These engines like to rev, no problem. With drives in neutral pos and tabs down the boat comes up no problem with smooth and gradual throttling though.:thumbsup My boat sits @ 8350 lbs dry on the trailer, so I'm curious what the 27T weighs on a commercial truck scale. My boat has an inner liner, no wood can be seen, it's built pretty heavy for the North West. What year Hallets stopped wood floors, not meaning the teak&holly deck floors? 27 & 30 are the best looking models hands down, especially for older guys like me.:thumbsup looking forward to your video on the strip.

I'll be talking to you a lot about your setup Atilla. These are the blue Scorpion's (Merc Race Motors), and the guys grandfather worked at Merc Racing forever so these are a little different than the one I have in my Schiada. They have a more aggressive Cam in them and they are sporting tube headers instead of IMCO Powerflow's like most I have seen.

320/390 is what the 5.4 3 valve was making in the end.

09/10. I think RD has a 10.

2013.

Yeah, I don't get the Scorpion thing either or why it's such a big deal. 350hp might have been a lot way back in the day, but by todays standards, it's tame.

The torque number ain't bad though, depending on where it kicks in.

*shrug*

https://brucebullockmarine.com/mercury/gas_sterndrive_350hp_scorpion_377.html


I think a couple of super chargers might be in order here. Looks like the these engines could easily handle it.

:tbi

They are just a light weight motor that makes 377 HP (Not 350) and are super reliable. My Schiada holds 52 gallons of fuel.. I fill that boat up and I can run it for 3 weekends straight with all my buddies and never fill it up again. They are crazy fuel efficient and perform well.

so this means, no ski wake boat for the kids? I thought, you were going, to get something, more for the family watersports.

We did the Pontoon thing for a couple months and it's definitely good for tubing and kids activities like that. The problems I had with the Pontoon weren't anything to do with the boat. It's the taking 17 people out on the thing and then getting stuck with the boat all by myself. Thank God for Fishing Fool, or that boat would've been sold in the first two weeks. LOL The other thing is it was Wide as F on the trailer and massive. So it wouldn't fit in my garage next to the Schiada (at least not without it being tight). I really hate leaving boats outside... The 270 should fit.

Bummer, figured you would be running it first thing.

Do you think it will be unsafe?

Brian

No, I don't think it will be unsafe. I just don't think it's going to pull remotely the #'s that it should with the power it has in it with this setup.

It has known issues and your first idea is to throw the kids in? 樂

You read that wrong. I'm taking the boat out with Fishing Fool and Andy01 first.. If everything is all good in the hood then I'll come back and get all the kids.

Close but the reality is he will have Jeff Murray transport it for him

LOTO here we come!

Nice Nordic! Too Soon?

I thought about naming it the Nordlett.

Congratulations Dave on the new boat. It looks like it is the same as mine. 270T Straight bottom, with twin Scorpions. This is a great combo. You will love it. Really easy on gas (10 GPH total for both engines typically).
I have 26" pitch props on mine turning out. Very easy to manuver around the docks. At full throttle I keep my tabs down a bit (about 2.5-3) so that it doesn't chine walk. Chine walking is no fun! You already know that the Scorpions are great power plants.
Have fun.
Dave K.

This is the twin step bottom. (Better than the single step, but not as good as the straight IMO) If you can give me a call I have some questions about your setup 949-678-8369

 

[Ziggy]

Peeps are looking out for our fearless leader, Ill find the post, since you are concerned about what everyone else is concerned about.

Save yourself some time...
Sbarry started it[emoji1] [emoji1]

 

[RiverDave]

Did he ask everyone to judge whether his truck was capable or not? I sure didn't see it if he did.

Peeps are looking out for our fearless leader, Ill find the post, since you are concerned about what everyone else is concerned about.

The Truck is fine.. Everyone thinks you need a one ton to tow a single axle utility trailer nowadays.. I pulled all the slabs of granite out for the Parker house with my Navigator. You want to talk about some HEAVY SHIT.. That was heavy.

RD

 

[wsuwrhr]

You know, that won't be too fun to tow over to the next Naci Bash with that little F-150 btw.... lol!

Save yourself some time...
Sbarry started it[emoji1] [emoji1]

 

[BHC Vic]

OK... Lots of answers today.



I'm thinking like 3?



I'm keeping my Schiada.. It's going to get a minor make over here pretty quick. Leaving at the end of the month to go back to Schiada, Bear Trailers and possibly Boostpower.



THIS!



Nailed it.. I don't like the Step Bottom Hallett's, but I think the stability with the Twins any problems they did have could easily be overcome.



A lot of smaller boats ran better with the Scorpion than the big block. Would get on plane faster and have a higher top end. Big Block always has more mid range punch though. For applications like a 27-32' boat though, the Scorpions were the cats ass.



Well I have to watch my pennies here a little bit, but I have some ideas.



Pushing the props down doesn't make any sense to me either. I would've left them were they were at, or if anything gone UP. I'm going to try it like it is for the weekend.. Then put it back to the way it was originally, spinning out, without the spacers. Then after that I'll likely throw a set of Revolution's on it and see how it runs and start working backwards from there.



Almost did the Hey Lam.. It's just not me.



The lowers are fine upon inspection. Once I push them back up out of the water stream I'm not sure that the material removed would have any play on the handling characteristics of the boat.



Preston is the MAN!



Yeah... NO. I can't afford that damn thing! And I sure wouldn't want it as my daily driver!



I'll be talking to you a lot about your setup Atilla. These are the blue Scorpion's (Merc Race Motors), and the guys grandfather worked at Merc Racing forever so these are a little different than the one I have in my Schiada. They have a more aggressive Cam in them and they are sporting tube headers instead of IMCO Powerflow's like most I have seen.



2013.



They are just a light weight motor that makes 377 HP (Not 350) and are super reliable. My Schiada holds 52 gallons of fuel.. I fill that boat up and I can run it for 3 weekends straight with all my buddies and never fill it up again. They are crazy fuel efficient and perform well.




We did the Pontoon thing for a couple months and it's definitely good for tubing and kids activities like that. The problems I had with the Pontoon weren't anything to do with the boat. It's the taking 17 people out on the thing and then getting stuck with the boat all by myself. Thank God for Fishing Fool, or that boat would've been sold in the first two weeks. LOL The other thing is it was Wide as F on the trailer and massive. So it wouldn't fit in my garage next to the Schiada (at least not without it being tight). I really hate leaving boats outside... The 270 should fit.



No, I don't think it will be unsafe. I just don't think it's going to pull remotely the #'s that it should with the power it has in it with this setup.



You read that wrong. I'm taking the boat out with Fishing Fool and Andy01 first.. If everything is all good in the hood then I'll come back and get all the kids.



LOTO here we come!



I thought about naming it the Nordlett.



This is the twin step bottom. (Better than the single step, but not as good as the straight IMO) If you can give me a call I have some questions about your setup 949-678-8369

?? You're going to test it first without the kids. If it's fine you get the kids... which part did I read wrong. If I bought a boat that might not handle Well I'd test it without my kids too 😊

 

[Ziggy]

Uncle! You got me there [emoji471]
[emoji39]

 

[RiverDave]

It has known issues and your first idea is to throw the kids in? 樂

As you can see that's not what you wrote Vic.

What you wrote is "It has handling issues and your first idea is to put kids in the boat."

I was saying the opposite.. I'll go run it, and then if it's all good I'll put the kids in the boat for the weekend.

RD

 

[BHC Vic]

As you can see that's not what you wrote Vic.

What you wrote is "It has handling issues and your first idea is to put kids in the boat."

I was saying the opposite.. I'll go run it, and then if it's all good I'll put the kids in the boat for the weekend.

RD

Pretty sure we are saying the same thing. You're gonna run it without the kids first to make sure it's good. You're not putting the kids in and running it as it may not be he best idea. Anyways, have fun. 👍

 

[RiverDave]

Pretty sure we are saying the same thing. You're gonna run it without the kids first to make sure it's good. You're not putting the kids in and running it as it may not be he best idea. Anyways, have fun. [emoji106]

Yes basically. Lol

When can you come and get this BowFlex? I need it out of my garage ASAP to make room.

RD

 

[BHC Vic]

Yes basically. Lol

When can you come and get this BowFlex? I need it out of my garage ASAP to make room.

RD

I'll drive to havasu today after work if you want. Should fit in my truck right? I get to bullhead at 6 havasu around 7?