Holy Grail Acquired! 2FF - 270

[wsuwrhr]

Lol....can someone give the cliff notes on this badazz 27'? I see its got twin scorpions, B1's and some sort of 4 blade props....Whats the deal with it handling like chit, and only running in the 60's did 2ff make some crazy "I'll make it faster" mods that actually slowed it down er what?

I belief there wasabunchamoresticktogiveher.

 

[Hullbilly]

I belief there wasabunchamoresticktogiveher.

Gawd I hope thats true, otherwise there is sometingwong! My 29 with warmed up sbc's wouldnt even break a sweat in the 60's

eagerly awating a RD status update

 

[Joker]

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[LargeOrangeFont]

Lol....can someone give the cliff notes on this badazz 27'? I see its got twin scorpions, B1's and some sort of 4 blade props....Whats the deal with it handling like chit, and only running in the 60's did 2ff make some crazy "I'll make it faster" mods that actually slowed it down er what?

All that mucking around.. he could have just put the speedo out of Sue's Cheetah in it and the boat would have been fine.

 

[milkmoney]

Where's that picture of you next to the bus when I need it?[emoji16]

Surprised u don't have it saved. [emoji202]

 

[RiverDave]

RD did pull a a little wsuwrhr on this one.

I'm buried with work right now, and have like 4 articles I have to prep for the beginning of next week.. Plus I'm leaving for the DCB regatta in like an hour so I'm charging cameras and clearing memory sticks etc.. I'll put up a quick forward / back video in a few that just is a quick spin in the boat.

Lol....can someone give the cliff notes on this badazz 27'? I see its got twin scorpions, B1's and some sort of 4 blade props....Whats the deal with it handling like chit, and only running in the 60's did 2ff make some crazy "I'll make it faster" mods that actually slowed it down er what?

The boat rips on plane with the drive spacers in it.. As it should with them being as deep as they are. It honestly doesn't really have any bad handling characteristics the way it's setup right now. With this much drive in the water though I'd have to imagine it just gave up 6-8 mph.. They are freakin deep, and I mean DEEP. LOL

I'm going to run it the way it is for a week or two, and get the boat cleaned up and looking legit.. We'll start experimenting with setup's after that.

RD

 

[wsuwrhr]

The boat rips on plane with the drive spacers in it.. As it should with them being as deep as they are. It honestly doesn't really have any bad handling characteristics the way it's setup right now. With this much drive in the water though I'd have to imagine it just gave up 6-8 mph.. They are freakin deep, and I mean DEEP. LOL

RD

Balls deep. Noted.

 

[boatnam2]

Surprised andy let you drive it.

 

[RiverDave]

Where can you read up on it?

Basically he put 1.5 inch spacers in the drives, reversed the rotation of the props, and then cut the front of the cav plates off.

He said the boat didn't run right before.. I'm gonna run it this way until I get sometime and then I'll start playing around with it. I'll have pics and video later tonight when I get home.

 

[Hullbilly]

Basically he put 1.5 inch spacers in the drives, reversed the rotation of the props, and then cut the front of the cav plates off.

He said the boat didn't run right before.. I'm gonna run it this way until I get sometime and then I'll start playing around with it. I'll have pics and video later tonight when I get home.

When I was setting up my boat, after seeking advice. I settled on turning in for speed, according to what I had explained to me was turning out on a straight deep v, pulled the transom down for better stability, turning in lifted the transom for a dryer faster ride, but could feel a bit loose at WOT. It was all french to me, so I just went ahead and did my own testing

Lol I tried spinning both directions, spinning in was faster overall...so I stuck with it

Do you know what his reasoning was with chopping off the front of the cav plates??

 

[RiverDave]

When I was setting up my boat, after seeking advice. I settled on turning in for speed, according to what I had explained to me was turning out on a straight deep v, pulled the transom down for better stability, turning in lifted the transom for a dryer faster ride, but could feel a bit loose at WOT.

Lol I tried spinning both directions, spinning in was faster overall...so I stuck with it

Do you know what his reasoning was with chopping off the front of the cav plates??

When he pushed the drives down with the spacers it put the front of the cav plates down into the water line. As the water came off the back of the boat and hit them it would make the boat extremely twitchy. So he cut the fronts off and then flared out towards the back.

 

[buck35]

HEY LAM....I GOT THIS CHIME WALKN FUKN BOAT.... BADDES BISH THERE EVER WAS..... EVER.... .... 2 SCORPEONS IN THE BAK!!!!

And it looks to be an open bow...
seriously though, he stated he ditched the toon because hauling the neighborhood and then storing / cleaning up after a large crew sucks by yourself. I'm a closed bow type guy for this very reason.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And it looks to be an open bow...
seriously though, he stated he ditched the toon because hauling the neighborhood and then storing / cleaning up after a large crew sucks by yourself. I'm a closed bow type guy for this very reason.

I could have told him all of that and I dont own a toon. A toon is not for people that keep boats pristine. They will go insane. When he started talking about cleaning the toons I knew it would be over soon.

 

[RiverDave]

For those looking for the pics / video. I started a thread in the Builds / Restoration section of the website. It has video of the first test drive, and more detailed pics of the boat.


http://www.riverdavesplace.com/foru...1-Holy-Grail-Hallett-270-Starting-the-Project

 

[RiverDave]

Ok, so Steve has been taking a little flak in this thread throughout the 37 pages of it.

Yes he wildly changed the setup from what it was stock. I don't know how the boat ran stock, I was never in it? I can tell you that I don't think he woulda messed with it if it was perfect? He said it had some porpoise issues, and would get a little wonky in cross chop etc. I'm inclined to believe there was something going on there because I found a couple of hundred pounds of lead shot in the bow of it, that Steve wasn't even aware was there.. The previous owner was trying to fix some kinda demon with that.

Anyhow The boat is very docile to drive in it's current state. I could leave it as it is and be perfectly happy with it. The only reason that I'll tinker with the setup at this point is because I'm in a good position to have access to resources that most don't have. I have direct access to Thane & John over at Nordic whom have tooled and setup countless Vee Bottoms not only for Hallett but for a variety of mfg's. I can call Alexi and he's out here he's got decades of knowledge, and Bob Teague.. Forget about it, that guy has forgotten more about twin engine Vee Bottom setups then I'll ever know.

I'm extremely happy with the boat. I'm extremely happy with the deal that Preston put together, and dealing with Steve on the business end of things is typical Steve. He has stayed true to his work 100% on all angles, and beyond. Not really fair to beat him up in the thread, if nobody in the thread had ever been in the boat before.

I'm very happy with the boats current performance so the first things I'm going to address are the Gel / Stereo department and run it as it is for a minute. After the boats cleaned up and looks "new" and ready to be more of a "feature" boat then I'll talk to the guys (listed above) and see what their individual thoughts are, and do a bunch of featured articles on what it is to get the maximum performance out of a boat like this, and what steps they are taking. To be clear I could leave the thing alone and be happy with it for my needs.. but wouldn't it be cool to track GPH / MPG and watch efficiency and speeds go up? I think there's another 8 - 10 mph in the boat.. and there probably is, but if it comes at the expense of getting on plane or handling I probably won't take it. Either way it will be great content for the site and a learning experience for all which is good enough reason to at least experiment.

The boat hops on plane, and turns well, accellerates hard, and basically acts like an over sized 240, albeit it's a little trim sensitive. I don't know what it handled like before, but I can tell you it handles great the way Steve sold it to me.

[video=youtube_https;PsYyz9EIvHQ]https://youtu.be/PsYyz9EIvHQ[/video]


RD

 

[Flyinbowtie]

Very happy for you and your family Dave, the boat is really nice now but I look forward to learning as you take it to the next level.

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Dave : How about calling Jerry or Jim Frisbee and getting the real story on this boat ? There's got to be some inside info that may help immensely. I can't imagine this boat left Hallett with ALL these demons .

 

[skav]

Here?s the important question. Will you be running that mofo at monster storm?

 

[fishing fool]

Here?s the important question. Will you be running that mofo at monster storm?

He started the thread and said he was in the Schiada

 

[NicPaus]

I can PM your number to the previous owner before Steve if you have any questions.

 

[kevnmcd]

Dave - I will be watching this thread closely especially when it comes to the performance evaluation and possible mods. I would assume that your mods would benefit mine and have the same results. Congrats on the purchase. I'm not sure if we will ever sell ours as we love it. Hope to see you on the water sometime and check it out in person.

 

[RiverDave]

Dave : How about calling Jerry or Jim Frisbee and getting the real story on this boat ? There's got to be some inside info that may help immensely. I can't imagine this boat left Hallett with ALL these demons .

I called Jim and asked him what the deal is on this thing. He basically said "There was no problems with it when it left Hallett, and the previous owner put 500 trouble free hours on the boat." There's something to be said for that.

Here?s the important question. Will you be running that mofo at monster storm?

I'm not sure if I'll run this or the Schiada.. Really depends on how many people I have with me, and if my kids are in the boat. I'd rather run my 21 RC if it's just me and Stacy.

I can PM your number to the previous owner before Steve if you have any questions.

I talked to him when I bought the boat as well. He basically said the boat ran great, and didn't know why someone would change it.


With regard to both him and Jim Frisbee.. Like I said I never drove it before Steve messed with it, so I can't attest to what it did or didn't do. I'd like to put it back the way it was just to see for myself, but that's a bit of work to do that "just to see." Steve told me it cavitated coming on plane, and basically was an ill handling boat at anything over 50 mph. Whether it was or wasn't, I don't know.. I could put it back to stock and see, but damn that's a lot of work if only to find out it's better the way it is..

Time will tell, and will I can talk to the powers that be about "general setup" I'll see how close this one is to what they would suggest. I'd have to imagine a trip to So Cal will be in my future for a day or two of test and tune with a lot of documentation to follow it up and see what kind of results we can get out of it.

Dave - I will be watching this thread closely especially when it comes to the performance evaluation and possible mods. I would assume that your mods would benefit mine and have the same results. Congrats on the purchase. I'm not sure if we will ever sell ours as we love it. Hope to see you on the water sometime and check it out in person.

I'm not sure the setup's would be the same between the two boats for a whole variety of reasons. Big Blocks the spacing is going to be further out on the Vee, straight bottom vs this stepped deal (wish I had the straight), yours is a considerably bigger boat than a 270.

Are you having some kind of issue you are looking to fix? Or some area that you are looking to improve?

By the way you should probably follow the thread on the restore section as that's where all the mods are going to be taking place. Boat is already down at AJ's getting somethings fixed (drain plugs leak), and heading to Saleen on tuesday to get the gel cleaned up.

 

[kevnmcd]

I'm not sure the setup's would be the same between the two boats for a whole variety of reasons. Big Blocks the spacing is going to be further out on the Vee, straight bottom vs this stepped deal (wish I had the straight), yours is a considerably bigger boat than a 270.

Are you having some kind of issue you are looking to fix? Or some area that you are looking to improve?

By the way you should probably follow the thread on the restore section as that's where all the mods are going to be taking place. Boat is already down at AJ's getting somethings fixed (drain plugs leak), and heading to Saleen on tuesday to get the gel cleaned up.

You make good points on the differences between the 270 and 300, however I would think there is something to be learned from what you are going to do to it and I am curious about the results as they may help out on mine. I don't have any problems with mine. It comes on plane just fine and is a solid ride up to 75 MPH where I max out. It would just be nice to be able to get a few more MPH out of it if possible.

I will have to check out the drain plugs on mine as I seem to get a gallon or two out of each side on mine after a day on the water. Haven't been able to find out where it is coming from yet but will have to look at that next time I put it in. Saleen did some work on mine before and did a great job.

 

[spectras only]

Dave, what is the gear ratio of the drives? My boat like yours is pretty heavy [ ca 6000lbs dry ] so the small blocks need to be able to spin the props fast to get out of the hole quick. Before I messed with my props by tuning them to a true 26P [ it is a B1 26P with cup ] the boat got on plane without issues. My props were just shy of 25P measuring with pitch gage before. Merc Bravo props are a hit and miss IMO. You could borrow props to try. Try a 27P Mirage 3 blade, or the next size down from what you have now.I'd remove the spacers for sure. Any handling issues [ I can't beileve Steve had those at only 50 mph ] I encountered with my boat only started at about 68 mph and above but proper drive trim setting and trim tab imput can fix that. You have steps I don't but that shouldn't affect handling in the straight line.

look it this video how clean the boat runs without chine walking with tabs at 'O' position.

[video=youtube;02aXpKTEtlg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02aXpKTEtlg[/video]


This is my buddy's 34 Hallett. You definitely need a PSD to pull one.

[video=youtube;l4StrjWtyFk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4StrjWtyFk[/video]

 

[RiverDave]

Dave, what is the gear ratio of the drives? My boat like yours is pretty heavy [ ca 6000lbs dry ] so the small blocks need to be able to spin the props fast to get out of the hole quick. Before I messed with my props by tuning them to a true 26P [ it is a B1 26P with cup ] the boat got on plane without issues. My props were just shy of 25P measuring with pitch gage before. Merc Bravo props are a hit and miss IMO. You could borrow props to try. Try a 27P Mirage 3 blade, or the next size down from what you have now.I'd remove the spacers for sure. Any handling issues [ I can't beileve Steve had those at only 50 mph ] I encountered with my boat only started at about 68 mph and above but proper drive trim setting and trim tab imput can fix that. You have steps I don't but that shouldn't affect handling in the straight line.

look it this video how clean the boat runs without chine walking with tabs at 'O' position.

[video=youtube;02aXpKTEtlg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02aXpKTEtlg[/video]


This is my buddy's 34 Hallett. You definitely need a PSD to pull one.

[video=youtube;l4StrjWtyFk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4StrjWtyFk[/video]

Your buddies Hallett (if it was the one at Eliminator) was dangerously close to being my Hallett back in the day.. LOL If that's the one Eliminator sold anyways.

I'm looking into the whole setup deal right now.. Like I said before I want to get the boat cleaned up before I go doing anything drastic to that.

RD

 

[spectras only]

Your buddies Hallett (if it was the one at Eliminator) was dangerously close to being my Hallett back in the day.. LOL If that's the one Eliminator sold anyways.

I'm looking into the whole setup deal right now.. Like I said before I want to get the boat cleaned up before I go doing anything drastic to that.

RD

Yes it is the one from Eliminator. Yes, I'd just use your boat as is, tinker with it in the winter.:thumbsup

 

[HB2LHC]

Congrats Dave & Stacy !!!!!!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Somebody else besides Steve must have also felt the boat did something wonky because a couple hundred pounds of lead shot don't end up in the bow by accident.
Did you find out who did that and why?

 

[RiverDave]

Somebody else besides Steve must have also felt the boat did something wonky because a couple hundred pounds of lead shot don't end up in the bow by accident.
Did you find out who did that and why?

I'm sure it was the original owners of the boat. The lead is up in the front storage compartment, and it's still in there. I haven't removed it yet to see how the boat runs without it. I will remove it when we start messing with the setup. Most the times people do that it's to help eliminate porpoising, or the boat is tail heavy and "flighty" in rough water. It's more common then you would think.

RD

 

[28Eliminator]

I'm sure it was the original owners of the boat. The lead is up in the front storage compartment, and it's still in there. I haven't removed it yet to see how the boat runs without it. I will remove it when we start messing with the setup. Most the times people do that it's to help eliminate porpoising, or the boat is tail heavy and "flighty" in rough water. It's more common then you would think.

RD

That seems really odd.. I?m definitely no expert on set ups, but couldn?t that easily be overcome with using the tabs and trim??

 

[Hullbilly]

That seems really odd.. I?m definitely no expert on set ups, but couldn?t that easily be overcome with using the tabs and trim??

My 29 with twins and had a porpising issue too....I would just drag tabs to keep the bow down.

 

[Hullbilly]

Dave, what is the gear ratio of the drives? My boat like yours is pretty heavy [ ca 6000lbs dry ] so the small blocks need to be able to spin the props fast to get out of the hole quick. Before I messed with my props by tuning them to a true 26P [ it is a B1 26P with cup ] the boat got on plane without issues. My props were just shy of 25P measuring with pitch gage before. Merc Bravo props are a hit and miss IMO. You could borrow props to try. Try a 27P Mirage 3 blade, or the next size down from what you have now.I'd remove the spacers for sure. Any handling issues [ I can't beileve Steve had those at only 50 mph ] I encountered with my boat only started at about 68 mph and above but proper drive trim setting and trim tab imput can fix that. You have steps I don't but that shouldn't affect handling in the straight line.

look it this video how clean the boat runs without chine walking with tabs at 'O' position.

[video=youtube;02aXpKTEtlg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02aXpKTEtlg[/video]


This is my buddy's 34 Hallett. You definitely need a PSD to pull one.

[video=youtube;l4StrjWtyFk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l4StrjWtyFk[/video]

I ran the mirage plus's on my boat. Great props, had them labbed by bblades. A little slow coming out of the hole, but once up on plane they were fantastic, and ran faster then the rev 4's I had prior which was pretty shocking.

 

[Hullbilly]

I called Jim and asked him what the deal is on this thing. He basically said "There was no problems with it when it left Hallett, and the previous owner put 500 trouble free hours on the boat." There's something to be said for that.



I'm not sure if I'll run this or the Schiada.. Really depends on how many people I have with me, and if my kids are in the boat. I'd rather run my 21 RC if it's just me and Stacy.



I talked to him when I bought the boat as well. He basically said the boat ran great, and didn't know why someone would change it.


With regard to both him and Jim Frisbee.. Like I said I never drove it before Steve messed with it, so I can't attest to what it did or didn't do. I'd like to put it back the way it was just to see for myself, but that's a bit of work to do that "just to see." Steve told me it cavitated coming on plane, and basically was an ill handling boat at anything over 50 mph. Whether it was or wasn't, I don't know.. I could put it back to stock and see, but damn that's a lot of work if only to find out it's better the way it is..

Time will tell, and will I can talk to the powers that be about "general setup" I'll see how close this one is to what they would suggest. I'd have to imagine a trip to So Cal will be in my future for a day or two of test and tune with a lot of documentation to follow it up and see what kind of results we can get out of it.



I'm not sure the setup's would be the same between the two boats for a whole variety of reasons. Big Blocks the spacing is going to be further out on the Vee, straight bottom vs this stepped deal (wish I had the straight), yours is a considerably bigger boat than a 270.

Are you having some kind of issue you are looking to fix? Or some area that you are looking to improve?

By the way you should probably follow the thread on the restore section as that's where all the mods are going to be taking place. Boat is already down at AJ's getting somethings fixed (drain plugs leak), and heading to Saleen on tuesday to get the gel cleaned up.

Wouldn't a set of blowers fix all your problems?

 

[ElAzul]

Wouldn't a set of blowers fix all your problems?

Yes and make em PSI's while your at it you already went big and raised the bar.

 

[Joker]

Can we rename this thread " The Moneypit"

 

[RiverDave]

Can we rename this thread " The Moneypit"

It won't be that much money to make this thing crazy bad ass.

 

[JD D05]

Congrats on the new boat Dave.

 

[Hullbilly]

Can we rename this thread " The Moneypit"

Lol...RD's going to love BBOOAATT.

Twins are awesome, but it brought all new meaning to break out another thousand!

 

[Joker]

It won't be that much money to make this thing crazy bad ass.

You'd be better off with the toon. That was the perfect boat for you

 

[spectras only]

Most the times people do that it's to help eliminate porpoising, or the boat is tail heavy and "flighty" in rough water. It's more common then you would think.

Yep, that's what Dave says. Ass heavy boats like to fly when encountering swells at speed.



happens to my boat running in the ocean.

 

[RiverDave]

You'd be better off with the toon. That was the perfect boat for you

If that were true I would still have it. Lol

You are missing the updates happening already in the restorations section.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I called Jim and asked him what the deal is on this thing. He basically said "There was no problems with it when it left Hallett, and the previous owner put 500 trouble free hours on the boat." There's something to be said for that.


I talked to him when I bought the boat as well. He basically said the boat ran great, and didn't know why someone would change it.
.

I'm familiar with adding or moving weight around to settle boats.
My question arises from these two comments.
Hundreds of pounds of lead don't typically end up in boats that leave the factory with no issues and are run by the original owner for 500 plus hours with no issues.
That's why I asked if you knew who put it in there.