Holy Grail Acquired! 2FF - 270

[RitcheyRch]

Congrats

 

[BHC Vic]

Maybe a 34? The 27 is fine behind a half ton.. towed it around today and was no worries.

It's stashed in Andy01's RV garage until I can clean mine out of these three couches and the Bowflex to make room for it.

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I told you I would take the bow flex 😊

 

[renodaytona]

Congrats on the new boat RD! Do you get a shirt for that?

 

[01erionracing]

Congrats Dave!

 

[Hammer]

I want to know why this is the Holy Grail. I know 0 about these boats. Is it the hull shape? The motors? Is it the interior? Is it that they don't make this anymore, or if they do its three times the price?

Straight bottom (1st gen) and twin scorpion 377 CI. Small blocks. Only newer 270 with this set up that I know of.

Typically the newer 270s are single engine set ups

 

[hallett21]

Straight bottom (1st gen) and twin scorpion 377 CI. Small blocks. Only newer 270 with this set up that I know of.

Typically the newer 270s are single engine set ups

This one looks like it has steps.

Congrats RD

 

[Sbarry]

Straight bottom (1st gen) and twin scorpion 377 CI. Small blocks. Only newer 270 with this set up that I know of.

Typically the newer 270s are single engine set ups

This one looks like it has steps.

Congrats RD

I'm seeing steps too... But why is it that everyone praises the straight bottom? Does the stepped model handle worse or just different?

BTW: I would love to have this exact boat... Those scorpions were way ahead of their time. Not sure why they ditched them?

Congrats Dave... If your Schiada goes up for sale, maybe give me a heads up. If I could dump the 22 for a decent price, I might really be interested. :thumbsup

 

[wsuwrhr]

The toon would have taken the whole garage, hence it sat outside... [emoji41]

Now I am sure you haven't been to the Johnson compound.

 

[wsuwrhr]

I want to know why this is the Holy Grail. I know 0 about these boats. Is it the hull shape? The motors? Is it the interior? Is it that they don't make this anymore, or if they do its three times the price?

Because it is the badest mofo on the water.

It is 2FF marketing.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Maybe a 34? The 27 is fine behind a half ton.. towed it around today and was no worries.

On flat ground, my coach tows UCH like it isn't even there.

 

[PrimeCut]

Going to run it tomorrow..

I'm down in Parker this weekend, let me know if you hit the river at all, I would love to see that thing! I'm bringing the 280 Eliminator, leaving the v-drive home this time

 

[Sbarry]

On flat ground, my coach tows UCH like it isn't even there.

on flat ground. noted.

sb

 

[hallett21]

I'm seeing steps too... But why is it that everyone praises the straight bottom? Does the stepped model handle worse or just different?

BTW: I would love to have this exact boat... Those scorpions were way ahead of their time. Not sure why they ditched them?

Congrats Dave... If your Schiada goes up for sale, maybe give me a heads up. If I could dump the 22 for a decent price, I might really be interested. :thumbsup

Straight bottom has very predictable handling characteristics. The step bottom feels looser at speed. But with the twins I'm sure you wouldn't have an issue.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm seeing steps too... But why is it that everyone praises the straight bottom? Does the stepped model handle worse or just different?

BTW: I would love to have this exact boat... Those scorpions were way ahead of their time. Not sure why they ditched them?

Because Merc overpriced them. You could just get a 496 HO instead for cheaper, so these never sold that well. And many are scared of small blocks.

 

[wsuwrhr]

on flat ground. noted.

sb

Yeap, give that half ton the 270 and the Needles grade out to CA.

 

[USMC2010]

Have fun Dave, no doubt you will get it dialed in quickly.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yeap, give that half ton the 270 and the Needles grade out to CA.

The gas pedal is there, use it. A half ton will tow this ok.

 

[RCDave]

The gas pedal is there, use it. A half ton will tow this ok.

depending on the half ton, I agree. I used to tow my 25 shockwave tremor and a 21' toyhauler with a 2007 Toyota Tundra. It pulled both with ease. That 27 hallett should be fine behind most 1/2 tons

 

[wsuwrhr]

The gas pedal is there, use it. A half ton will tow this ok.

Dooood....it only goes to the floor my orange friend.

There are redlines for a reason.

Ok. Noted.

Slooooow....

 

[Don Johnson]

Congrats Dave!

I am sure you will get her dialed in. I read the post from Steve on what he did and simply could not understand the decisions he made nor why he refused to us the trim plates to help get the boat on plane and with the chine walking, that's what they are there for. Instead dropped the drives down, made no sense...... Yea that would help get the boat on plane, deep props= no cavitation and lots of leverage but at what sacrifice? Get the X dimension, prop selection and rotation right and use the tabs for what they are intended and you should be good.

Super nice boat, see ya out there!

 

[wsuwrhr]

depending on the half ton, I agree. I used to tow my 25 shockwave tremor and a 21' toyhauler with a 2007 Toyota Tundra. It pulled both with ease. That 27 hallett should be fine behind most 1/2 tons

You guys are easily wound up. Just friendly conversation here.

The needles grade out of town is a dyno pull for sure.

What motor in that year f150, a 302?

 

[mesquito_creek]

The twin small block mercs on this will be a great set up. If my puny little 5.7L Alphas can push a 12,000 lbs cruiser at 40 mph, this scorpion 27 footer should handle like a dream and have great speed.

 

[wsuwrhr]

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If that picture doesn't make you melt, I don't know what will.

 

[beaverretriever]

Congrats Dave! Bitchen boat. I love the twin small blocks.

However you really missed the op to title the thread " HEY LOOK AT ME; LOOK WHAT I GOT!".

 

[Runs2rch]

If he spent that much time screwing with it we are gonna at least see how it runs now..

But yes part of the plan is to remove the spacers, try some props, try rotations, etc..

Try a set of Rev 4's. They work way better on a 27 than Bravo 1's. With the BS motors a pair of 23's should work perfect.

Are you putting new lowers on it also?

The sad part is it's like Uncle Joe says he rebuilds carbs and it never ever runs right again. That is 2FF :eek

 

[Ziggy]

Congrats Dave! Bitchen boat. I love the twin small blocks.

However you really missed the op to title the thread " HEY LOOK AT ME; LOOK WHAT I GOT!".

He's got some pull to get it fixed[emoji6]

 

[Runs2rch]

We pulled or 270T from LA to Mead for 30 years behind half tons. 5.3 Tahoe pulled it just fine. Baker Grade is the tow vehicle killer.

My 02 Harley F150 also pulled it awesome. As long as you 4 wheel drive for the ramp. Seems only on busy weekends when the ramp is super slick do I need it. Even trying to creep out I start the slight spin.

 

[Ziggy]

It only took you two months to find a way to acquire it....well done[emoji106]

 

[wsuwrhr]

The gas pedal is there, use it. A half ton will tow this ok.

depending on the half ton, I agree. I used to tow my 25 shockwave tremor and a 21' toyhauler with a 2007 Toyota Tundra. It pulled both with ease. That 27 hallett should be fine behind most 1/2 tons

We pulled or 270T from LA to Mead for 30 years behind half tons. 5.3 Tahoe pulled it just fine. Baker Grade is the tow vehicle killer.

My 02 Harley F150 also pulled it awesome. As long as you 4 wheel drive for the ramp. Seems only on busy weekends when the ramp is super slick do I need it. Even trying to creep out I start the slight spin.

Some peeps must have different standards on what "towing OK" means.

I guess I don't like being the slowest guy in the slow lane, no matter what I'm rollin.

I don't want the vehicle to make the decision on how slow we are going when the speed limit is 55.

 

[Runs2rch]

Some peeps must have different standards on what "towing OK" means.

I guess I don't like being the slowest guy in the slow lane, no matter what I'm rollin.

I don't want the vehicle to make the decision on how slow we are going.

If you know how to drive/tow you aren't the slowest guy at all. 55-60mph up most grades 3rd gear turning 3500-4k. The 5.4 RD has, the 5.3, hell the 6.8 V10 and 8.1 all like to turn some rpm while they are working.

What slows down a long tow is when these asshat truckers just pull out and cause you to lose momentum. Even in my Duramax once I have to slow down on Baker grade I just let it sit at 50 mph.

All depends you know.

 

[Rvrluvr]

The gas pedal is there, use it. A half ton will tow this ok.

Towed my 270 with a 1/2 ton lowered (5/7) suburban. No issues 👍

 

[Runs2rch]

Towed my 270 with a 1/2 ton lowered (5/7) suburban. No issues 

What year sub?

 

[wsuwrhr]

If you know how to drive/tow you aren't the slowest guy at all. 55-60mph up most grades 3rd gear turning 3500-4k. The 5.4 RD has, the 5.3, hell the 6.8 V10 and 8.1 all like to turn some rpm while they are working.

What slows down a long tow is when these asshat truckers just pull out and cause you to lose momentum. Even in my Duramax once I have to slow down on Baker grade I just let it sit at 50 mph.

All depends you know.

I understand how it works.

Good god, so if the car is in second gear its only gonna pull so many rpms and build so much heat before that's it for the motor, or trans. It isn't rocket science.

I want it to be a perfect tow, not just a good tow.

Most 5.0 ish engines are NOT going to pull a Cajon/Baker/Needles type grade at 3500-4k in 1:1 with a vehicle full of peeps and shit for a trip to the lake doooood. No matter how far you push the gas pedal through to firewall. Sorry.



Brian

 

[Keymyster]

Think Dave bought it just because the trailer already has three axles.

 

[RCDave]

The Tundra has 381 horsepower, 401 ft/lb of torque (with a torque peak at 3500 rpms, and a stout 6 speed tranny & rear end.

It will pull any of the mentioned grades with a 270 in tow without strain and at a reasonable rpm in 4th gear.

Even with a 7-8K towhauler in tow, 55mph was easy up Cajon, Tejon, and Needles grades.

1/2 tons have changed significantly in the last decade...lol

 

[Rvrluvr]

If you know how to drive/tow you aren't the slowest guy at all. 55-60mph up most grades 3rd gear turning 3500-4k. The 5.4 RD has, the 5.3, hell the 6.8 V10 and 8.1 all like to turn some rpm while they are working.

What slows down a long tow is when these asshat truckers just pull out and cause you to lose momentum. Even in my Duramax once I have to slow down on Baker grade I just let it sit at 50 mph.

All depends you know.

Fuck You I win. I have more lug nuts

<----- Ass hat trucker

 

[fishing fool]

Let's not make this into a "towing" thread.
You are all right the truck will tow it to and from the ramp. If you want to keep the truck towing it across the desert it will not last.

And please this is "motherfucking river dave" we are talking about. If he plans on towing it he will get a real tow rig.

https://mohave.craigslist.org/ctd/d/2008-ford-f650-xuv-conversion/6286572439.html

 

[Runs2rch]

I understand how it works.

Most 5.0 ish engines are NOT going to pull a Baker/Needles type grade at 3500-4k in 1:1 with a vehicle full of peeps and shit for a trip to the lake doooood. No matter how far you push the gas pedal through to firewall. Sorry.

Good god, so if the car is in second gear its only gonna pull so many rpms and build so much heat before that's it for the motor, or trans. It isn't rocket science.

I want it to be a perfect tow, not just a good tow.

Brian

You make me shake my head man. This isn't the age of 440's, 460's and 454's doooood.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The Tundra has 381 horsepower, 401 ft/lb of torque (with a torque peak at 3500 rpms, and a stout 6 speed tranny & rear end.

It will pull any of the mentioned grades with a 270 in tow without strain and at a reasonable rpm in 4th gear.

Even with a 7-8K towhauler in tow, 55mph was easy up Cajon, Tejon, and Needles grades.

1/2 tons have changed significantly in the last decade...lol

Yeap, I doubt the 5.4 in an f150 makes that kinna power, or has a 6 spd trans. lol.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Fuck You I win. I have more lug nuts

Yes sir.

 

[Runs2rch]

Fuck You I win. I have more lug nuts

<----- Ass hat trucker

Present company accepted??? hahaha

General statement. So many dumb drivers that don't understand trucking/towing. I make room for trucks in pretty much every situation.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Let's not make this into a "towing" thread.
You are all right the truck will tow it to and from the ramp. If you want to keep the truck towing it across the desert it will not last.

And please this is "motherfucking river dave" we are talking about. If he plans on towing it he will get a real tow rig.

xxxaaaactly.

 

[wsuwrhr]

You make me shake my head man. This isn't the age of 440's, 460's and 454's doooood.

Don't hurt yoooor neck.

 

[spectras only]

Dave, few questions. Is your F-150 an eco-boost? Does it have 3:73 gears? If yes, there will be no problem pulling no matter what grade. Second, you calling the engines black Scorpions. Aren't the real 377 scorpions blue? Pictures of yur setup would be appreciated. Before I tuned my Bravo1 26P props, boat hopped on plane quick and mid accelaration was unreal. Now that since I had my props tuned to a real 26P [ factory was somewhat between 24-25+ cup ] for more top speed, I have to lay the boat side to side getting on plane quick, especially with 4-5 people on board. I probably re-tune my props because i prefer hard accelaration to top speed. Rev limiters used to cut in above 5150 before but with max 5000 @ WOT, never does. These engines like to rev, no problem. With drives in neutral pos and tabs down the boat comes up no problem with smooth and gradual throttling though.:thumbsup My boat sits @ 8350 lbs dry on the trailer, so I'm curious what the 27T weighs on a commercial truck scale. My boat has an inner liner, no wood can be seen, it's built pretty heavy for the North West. What year Hallets stopped wood floors, not meaning the teak&holly deck floors? 27 & 30 are the best looking models hands down, especially for older guys like me.:thumbsup looking forward to your video on the strip.

 

[Runs2rch]

Yeap, I doubt the 5.4 in an f150 makes that kinna power, or has a 6 spd trans. lol.

320/390 is what the 5.4 3 valve was making in the end.

09/10. I think RD has a 10.

 

[Rvrluvr]

What year sub?

2010

 

[wsuwrhr]

320/390 is what the 5.4 3 valve was making in the end.

09/10. I think RD has a 10.

Again, 320/390 isn't going to be shit with a 4spd/OD towing a 6k boat.

Shake away brother.

 

[SOCALCRICKETT]

Getting it rolling isnt the scary part, its the stopping and having the ass end of the truck pushed around thats nerve racking

 

[wsuwrhr]

You make me shake my head man. This isn't the age of 440's, 460's and 454's doooood.

BTW, my last 440 powered A coach would be passing peeps up Cajon/Needles grade.

 

[rivermobster]

Yeah, I don't get the Scorpion thing either or why it's such a big deal. 350hp might have been a lot way back in the day, but by todays standards, it's tame.

The torque number ain't bad though, depending on where it kicks in.

*shrug*

https://brucebullockmarine.com/mercury/gas_sterndrive_350hp_scorpion_377.html


I think a couple of super chargers might be in order here. Looks like the these engines could easily handle it.

:tbi