4 seat speed UTV

[Lavey5150]

Bumping this to 100 pages with memes is chicken shit.

The same could be said with this.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

And there you go. 100 pages.

The same could be said with this.

Only a 12 year old girl would want to see memes instead of baseless, and pointless arguments peppered with name calling.

 

[Lavey5150]

And there you go. 100 pages.

Only a 12 year old girl would want to see memes instead baseless arguments and name calling.

Mission Accomplished tell RG at dinner tonight to get that Party planned. People are waiting.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Mission Accomplished tell RG at dinner tonight to get that Party planned. People are waiting.

I got an advance on my royalty check already.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

I got an advance on my royalty check already.

Don't forget to mail me my cut.

 

[DLC]

I thought this was going to hit 5,000 posts by New Years !

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I thought this was going to hit 5,000 posts by New Years !

Speed letting more people down....

 

[Bigbore500r]

Have you guys seen the leaked info on the jconcept 2025 RZR Pro-4 RUV?
Thing is a monster

3.4L N/A (also GM sourced)
4 speed trans, auto and manual shift without pedal
Onboard air compressor
Utility jump seats

Quoting myself cause nobody took the bait.........
Nevermind

 

[Taboma]

Quick, someone start an argument!

Oh, Oh, I have an opinion, can I play ?

 

[attitude]

Oh, Oh, I have an opinion, can I play ?

Let’s hear it!

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Oh, Oh, I have an opinion, can I play ?

If you must...

 

[Taboma]

Let’s hear it!

Do we really want to upset LOF this early ?
Hold on while I find my bag of egg shells and think of how I can blame Robbie and Speed for depriving me of my beloved 90's Havasu, despite them not having actually delivered any cars.
I did notice a Speed truck make a left hand turn into their driveway the other day and the driver failed to use his turn signal, that's newsworthy..

 

[Singleton]

Honest Question - Those of you with deposits.
When is your jump ship point? When do you finally say you waited long enough and throw in the white towel?

My Desert Vet Racing buddy has a spot in the 600’s and last weekend said if he does not have the car by Sept 15, 2022 he will be out and purchasing something else. We have a bottle of The Boss Hog VIII: Lapulapu’s Pacific involved as well.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

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Lol still butthurt about coolant line routing changes I see .

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Lol still butthurt about coolant line routing changes I see .

Not in the least.
My coolant lines are run in the optimal location already.
The early car buyers might be a little sore though.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not in the least.
My coolant lines are run in the optimal location already.
The early car buyers might be a little sore though.

Sure.. that’s must be why you aren’t arguing Carl’s cars won’t be worth anything anymore. You sure slithered away from that argument when you got shot down

About that dog whistle...

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Sure.. that’s must be why you aren’t arguing Carl’s cars won’t be worth anything anymore. You sure slithered away from that argument when you got shot down

About that dog whistle...

I never argued his cars wouldn't be worth anything.
You can't adjust my comments to suit your responses.

And dog whistle?
You responded to me not the other way around.
Ms. Psaki.

 

[1tonfun]

So my wife me last week to let me know my speed showed up.

Honest Question - Those of you with deposits.
When is your jump ship point? When do you finally say you waited long enough and throw in the white towel?

My Desert Vet Racing buddy has a spot in the 600’s and last weekend said if he does not have the car by Sept 15, 2022 he will be out and purchasing something else. We have a bottle of The Boss Hog VIII: Lapulapu’s Pacific involved as well.

Something relevant for a change. Honest answer, haven't given it much thought. I already have toys, didn't have to sell anything to get my spot and will keep playing with what I have until the speed shows up.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

So my wife me last week to let me know my speed showed up.

Something relevant for a change. Honest answer, haven't given it much thought. I already have toys, didn't have to sell anything to get my spot and will keep playing with what I have until the speed shows up.

So an honest follow up question.

Some of the earliest build spots holders have been contacted to pay for their option selections per their agreement.

If you are to receive this email/call from Speed and they still have not given a firm date to start building cars, are you still in and sending the additional funds?

I have to think that without car production in operation, many people with a deposit down are going to rethink sending more money.

 

[Bpracing1127]

So an honest follow up question.

Some of the earliest build spots holders have been contacted to pay for their option selections per their agreement.

If you are to receive this email/call from Speed and they still have not given a firm date to start building cars, are you still in and sending the additional funds?

I have to think that without car production in operation, many people with a deposit down are going to rethink sending more money.

they all have paid for the options at this point!

 

[Todd Mohr]

So an honest follow up question.

Some of the earliest build spots holders have been contacted to pay for their option selections per their agreement.

If you are to receive this email/call from Speed and they still have not given a firm date to start building cars, are you still in and sending the additional funds?

I have to think that without car production in operation, many people with a deposit down are going to rethink sending more money.

I'm #2053 and got emailed about final configuration on Monday, I responded that I want no options and am happy with a base car. Karla responded back OK and hope to get your car to ma soon.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

they all have paid for the options at this point!

Wow.
I thought I had read somewhere in here that Speed was contacting buyers as their build spots neared.
I had no idea all cars had been billed for their options.

I wonder how Speed has handled this with the dealers.
I can't imagine they will be sending out cash early.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Maybe not all of the orders #5000 and later, but for sure the first 5000 have. The first 2500 cars I bet the options average 4-6k and the second 2500 cars averages to 5-7k.

Pretty sure dealers will install the options themselves and sell them themselves so no need to pre pay there. Only direct buys in this case

 

[1Carl]

only problem is going to be if you didn’t order any options you might be waiting months for accessories, that why I ordered what I needed including kicker stereo. Ordered accessories are installed on assembly line.

 

[1Carl]

We are getting closer to production

 

[Bpracing1127]

We are getting closer to production

Says who? Watched the whole thing, they didn’t say that?

 

[1Carl]

March assembly line starts up is what Todd said 12:15

 

[dirtslinger2]

So an honest follow up question.

Some of the earliest build spots holders have been contacted to pay for their option selections per their agreement.

If you are to receive this email/call from Speed and they still have not given a firm date to start building cars, are you still in and sending the additional funds?

I have to think that without car production in operation, many people with a deposit down are going to rethink sending more money.

I'm car #125, I have been contacted many times to complete the payment for my options. I have put it off for months. I got a phone call from Speed a week or so ago that said I needed to pay now, or they would remove my accessories if not completed by Feb. 3rd. I finally sent them over the money today. When I spoke with them on the phone, they told me, yes, they are getting very close to production. In fact tonight's show Todd mentioned March, he didn't say beginning or end of March though.

I'm not sweating the payment at this point, I think it's close, but if it's not, I'm OK with it, I have other toys to play with in the meantime.

 

[Pivot]

This entire business model is madness. Good to hear it’s getting closer than the other closer everyone said back when it was almost ready

 

[ZSTIV]

Production starts in March.
Ramp up to 2k cars a month is max capacity per Todd.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I never argued his cars wouldn't be worth anything.
You can't adjust my comments to suit your responses.

And dog whistle?
You responded to me not the other way around.
Ms. Psaki.

Your comments don’t need to be adjusted. It’s obvious you made up what you wanted to hear and got called out on your imaginative comprehension. You were going after Carl that his cars would be devalued because Speed said improvements will come on later cars and that no manufacturer ever does that. They were talking about coolant line and wiring routing, it is there in the video.

I just blew the whistle, you’ll come running as always.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This entire business model is madness. Good to hear it’s getting closer than the other closer everyone said back when it was almost ready

What is madness about it? It’s not much different than Tesla’s. They just take a smaller deposit from more people.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wow.
I thought I had read somewhere in here that Speed was contacting buyers as their build spots neared.
I had no idea all cars had been billed for their options.

I wonder how Speed has handled this with the dealers.
I can't imagine they will be sending out cash early.

I’ve only gone through all this 50 times

Dealers aren’t prepaying.

Direct customers pay for deposit and options. Options payment goes toward down payment if you are financing.

 

[Singleton]

What is madness about it? It’s not much different than Tesla’s. They just take a smaller deposit from more people.

Tesla never made you pay for accessories months before your car was ever built.
You paid 1 deposit and waited months for the car to be delivered then paid balance due.

I don’t think anyone questions deposits being taken. Most question, RG overpromising and underdelivering on when the car will be delivered. While Tesla did the same, you knew they had a manufacturing plant and could find pics of mfg line being built, etc.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Production starts in March.
Ramp up to 2k cars a month is max capacity per Todd.

This has soo much ass smoke flying he is high as a kite. However questions here, will they be making cars 24/7/365? So in other words does the mfg line work 7 days a week 24 hours a day? Or are they more of a 5 day work weeks type place?

2000 cars a month on a 5 day work week is 95 cars a day lol
2000 cars a month on a 7 day work week is 66 cars a day

That is a massive facility and supply chain/ speed would need 100’s of millions to get that going

Figure the cost of the car is 30k

 

[Pivot]

What is madness about it? It’s not much different than Tesla’s. They just take a smaller deposit from more people.

That they are asking for more money from people with deposits.
Its not tesla. Its a off highway start up that is different. Its partially crowd funded during design and infancy. That makes it a business model that is madness to ME. Not you. Not carl (robbie in disguise)

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tesla never made you pay for accessories months before your car was ever built.
You paid 1 deposit and waited months for the car to be delivered then paid balance due.

I don’t think anyone questions deposits being taken. Most question, RG overpromising and underdelivering on when the car will be delivered. While Tesla did the same, you knew they had a manufacturing plant and could find pics of mfg line being built, etc.

The only persons worried about the late cars are the people that don’t have a spot.
Yea there are a couple handfuls of people out of a few thousand that are upset and bailed. If they don’t goi live with production in March-April, more people will be upset.

They have totally over delivered on features and functionality.

Tesla also completely screwed their customers by under-delivering on range and raising the price of the final product after the deposit.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That they are asking for more money from people with deposits.
Its not tesla. Its a off highway start up that is different. Its partially crowd funded during design and infancy. That makes it a business model that is madness to ME. Not you. Not carl (robbie in disguise)

How do you think Tesla started lol? It’s not Tesla today, it’s Tesla 15 years ago.

If you are that worried about it and want one you can just put a deposit down for one at a dealer like normal.

The have over $500m in commits.. obviously the “madness” worked, when they deliver cars.

 

[Singleton]

The only persons worried about the late cars are the people that don’t have a spot.
Yea there are a couple handfuls of people out of a few thousand that are upset and bailed. If they don’t goi live with production in March-April, more people will be upset.

They have totally over delivered on features and functionality.

Tesla also completely screwed their customers by under-delivering on range and raising the price of the final product after the deposit.

No ones knows if they have over delivered on features and functionality until the cars are delivered.
Everything is talk until the first production line car is in the hands of the owner. All the current cars are assembled at Speed with production parts. Features and functionality could change when your remove that stop and a mfg has to fully assemble the car.

I am still shocked Speed did not include the fine print like Tesla to accommodate for variances in price. It was very well communicated when you paid your Tesla deposit the cost of the car could be more once manufacturing starts. The margin on the Speed cars is going down each month with the current economy and very well could be negative. You can’t run a successful long term business with that business model.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This has soo much ass smoke flying he is high as a kite. However questions here, will they be making cars 24/7/365? So in other words does the mfg line work 7 days a week 24 hours a day? Or are they more of a 5 day work weeks type place?

2000 cars a month on a 5 day work week is 95 cars a day lol
2000 cars a month on a 7 day work week is 66 cars a day

That is a massive facility and supply chain/ speed would need 100’s of millions to get that going

Figure the cost of the car is 30k

First, the consumer does not give 2 shits. All they care about is cars coming off the line.

Why would Speed need 100s of millions? They are using Hisun for all that, that is the point of using a manufacturing partner.

For the record they said early on the factory had the capability to do 80 per day. Can they actually do that with a semi custom deal like this? Who knows, certainly not at first.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No ones knows if they have over delivered on features and functionality until the cars are delivered.
Everything is talk until the first production line car is in the hands of the owner. All the current cars are assembled at Speed with production parts. Features and functionality could change when your remove that stop and a mfg has to fully assemble the car.

I am still shocked Speed did not include the fine print like Tesla to accommodate for variances in price. It was very well communicated when you paid your Tesla deposit the cost of the car could be more once manufacturing starts. The margin on the Speed cars is going down each month with the current economy and very well could be negative. You can’t run a successful long term business with that business model.

The cars at the Sand sport show have more features and functions than were promised. Sure they could mass produce and electric golf cart to all of us. That does not bode well for the business.

No not all of the cars have been produced at Speed. The cars you have seen are the only ones in existence.

They intended for the first couple thousand to be loss leaders. They have raised MSRP since.

 

[Bpracing1127]

You think Hisan floats the cash for this? Or speed? Someone has to bank roll this

 

[outboard_256]

The only persons worried about the late cars are the people that don’t have a spot.
Yea there are a couple handfuls of people out of a few thousand that are upset and bailed. If they don’t goi live with production in March-April, more people will be upset.

They have totally over delivered on features and functionality.

Tesla also completely screwed their customers by under-delivering on range and raising the price of the final product after the deposit.

All the spots you see every week being bought and sold (for the past 2 years) are not from customers that are happy with the product. People like you, RD, Carl have multiple spots now not because you guys put multiple deposits down in the beginning. But you bought the spot of people that were fed up and just wanted to get there money back before it was too late. They sold at there original discount buying price and you guys bought and trying to resale at the current price.

So I wouldn't say "The only persons worried about the late cars are the people that don’t have a spot." Unless you mean all those people that sold spots don't count since they no longer have a spot.

 

[Singleton]

Why would Speed need 100s of millions? They are using Hisun for all that, that is the point of using a manufacturing partner.

Only a few, and NO one on this site, has any idea of the mfg relationship. Who owns the responsibility of sourcing raw materials (could be mfg or Speed). Speed stated accessories are being ordered by Speed then installed by who? Lots of factors that NO one on this site knows. So yes, Speed might need $$ to fund manufacturing. The only given is the mfg is dealing with the labor.

To get to a higher production number, Speed needs to simplify what the MFG produces, then rely on dealers and Speed shops to execute the accessory installation. The theory every car is different coming of the line for direct purchases is going to slow down production. The exact opposite of what needs to occur.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

All the spots you see every week being bought and sold (for the past 2 years) are not from customers that are happy with the product. People like you, RD, Carl have multiple spots now not because you guys put multiple deposits down in the beginning. But you bought the spot of people that were fed up and just wanted to get there money back before it was too late. They sold at there original discount buying price and you guys bought and trying to resale at the current price.

So I wouldn't say "The only persons worried about the late cars are the people that don’t have a spot." Unless you mean all those people that sold spots don't count since they no longer have a spot.

There are not that many that have changed hands in the grand scheme of things. Some people didn’t want to wait, had life changing events, whatever.

The guy I got mine from wanted to put a kitchen in his house instead of buying the car. Priorities changed, and he couldn’t afford to do both.

This all went down before a worldwide pandemic remember.

Find more than a handful of people with deposits that are truly pissed off.. you wont. For the most part everyone knows what they got into, and while they want the car, they appreciate the time taken in an attempt to make the product right from the start.

 

[dirtslinger2]

All the spots you see every week being bought and sold (for the past 2 years) are not from customers that are happy with the product. People like you, RD, Carl have multiple spots now not because you guys put multiple deposits down in the beginning. But you bought the spot of people that were fed up and just wanted to get there money back before it was too late. They sold at there original discount buying price and you guys bought and trying to resale at the current price.

So I wouldn't say "The only persons worried about the late cars are the people that don’t have a spot." Unless you mean all those people that sold spots don't count since they no longer have a spot.

There's a few "assumptions" here, I bought my spot from someone, he was not fed up with the wait, he was having a child and decided he needed the money. In fact a month or so back he called me and offered to by his spot back, so I he was not fed up. I also have a couple friends who have sold their spot, not because they were fed up, but because they wanted to buy something else, non UTV related.
I'm sure there are some who are selling because they don't want to wait, but to assume that the only reason spots sell is, well, an assumption.
I am not going to be a fan boy for Speed on here, but really, you can tell from some peoples post, that they just want to dwell on the negative.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Only a few, and NO one on this site, has any idea of the mfg relationship. Who owns the responsibility of sourcing raw materials (could be mfg or Speed). Speed stated accessories are being ordered by Speed then installed by who? Lots of factors that NO one on this site knows. So yes, Speed might need $$ to fund manufacturing. The only given is the mfg is dealing with the labor.

To get to a higher production number, Speed needs to simplify what the MFG produces, then rely on dealers and Speed shops to execute the accessory installation. The theory every car is different coming of the line for direct purchases is going to slow down production. The exact opposite of what needs to occur.

Exactly. No one here, including me knows anything about their supply chain and mfg process. We don’t need to know. Every prognostication in this thread about their manufacturing and supply chain has been incorrect based on further details released.

I can tell you not every car is going to be custom. They have said many times the dealer cars in time will be a different spec with more standard graphics and the dealers will install the option parts. This knowledge comes from watching the releases, not any special access.

 

[Wizard29]

They have totally over delivered on features and functionality.

Hm. Well in that case, I'm going to build a car that sees whoops coming and uses our new anti-gravity module to levitate so it flies over them and you don't feel a thing or have to slow down. It's also going to be self-cleaning after a trip, produce 1,000HP, and comes with an Uber Eats driver so you don't have to cook dinner while at camp.

Looks like I totally over delivered on features and functionality. That was easy.

 

[Singleton]

Exactly. No one here, including me knows anything about their supply chain and mfg process. We don’t need to know. Every prognostication in this thread about their manufacturing and supply chain has been incorrect based on further details released.

I can tell you not every car is going to be custom. They have said many times the dealer cars in time will be a different spec with more standard graphics and the dealers will install the option parts. This knowledge comes from watching the releases, not any special access.

Then follow you own statement and stop acting and responding like you know the real answers!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Then follow you own statement and stop acting and responding like you know the real answers!

There have been many answers shared on the the releases that none of you seem to have watched!

I don’t have any special access to information. I just know what is out there because my money is on the line.

Don’t blame me for knowing more about what is what is going on when you’ve only seen half a dozen out of 90 updates, and I’ve seen all 90. I’ve also talked to them and asked specific questions because I am a customer.