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[SOCALCRICKETT]

What if a SoCal Edison employee fails to put their grocery cart back in the corral?

Dave will throw his kids scooter in the trash

 

[4Waters]

Please explain that standard to the class.
Your quick to say it's not , but your not giving us what it should be.

Because you don't have a clue what any of the inter workings are. Your upset because the media told you to be.

Edison said because they are behind in maintenance they will need to turn the power off, since the power keeps getting turned off then it's apparent it's not up to par. Edison officials really need to pick their words better. Don't you think?

The media didn't say that, EDISON DID what aren't you understanding about that?

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

The most trusted source of news and facts....

I thought the most trusted source of news and facts was RDP?

Wikipedia wishes it was RDP.

 

[lbhsbz]

Edison said because they are behind in maintenance they will need to turn the power off, since the power keeps getting turned off then it's apparent it's not up to par. Edison officials really need to pick their words better. Don't you think?

No, they don't.

Based on a previous post of yours....if everything was "upgraded" as good as it could get, they wouldn't carry any liability in this.

Do you own a single outdated thing? Are all your cars 2024 or later model years? When was your house built? Do you update your house electrical /structure/plumbing/etc every year as the building code gets updated and changed? No....because that would cost prohibitive and nobody could afford that.

By your logic, your family has grounds to sue you and they should win for making them live in an unsafe, non-updated house

 

[oldman]

I see that this is heading into bash the utility phase of the thread.

If anyone has questions send me a PM

Your better than me. Thanks for all the solid info.

 

[oldman]

When will edison send me my check for me having to supply my own electricity?

have you read the fine print?

They do not guarantee service.

 

[bilz]

In Ca don't think you can break clean from the grid. You will always have a bill.
Clean power iniative or some bs like that.

Differed maitenance, lived through that.

If you put it all underground it will give the unhoused() more to steal.

 

[4Waters]

No, they don't.

Based on a previous post of yours....if everything was "upgraded" as good as it could get, they wouldn't carry any liability in this.

Do you own a single outdated thing? Are all your cars 2024 or later model years? When was your house built? Do you update your house electrical /structure/plumbing/etc every year as the building code gets updated and changed? No....because that would cost prohibitive and nobody could afford that.

By your logic, your family has grounds to sue you and they should win for making them live in an unsafe, non-updated house

No I did not say that. As far as my equipment I maintain it and as a result I have not been left stranded, my daily is a 2004 focus with 140k, right now it's having a small issue and I will be taking care of it in the week or so, it's a wearable item that you can't see without taking the intake off, the issue usually shows up between 80 and 100k. Maintenance, it's amazing

 

[oldman]

You purchased a maintenance plan and you make your payments, you would expect the maintenance to be done since you make your payment.

I pay my bill and I expect maintenance to be done, the problem is that "my oil wasn't getting changed even though I was told it was".

My bill covers the payment for the utilities and the maintenance of the equipment.

My bill covers the payment for the vehicle and the maintenance of the equipment.

There is no difference in expectations, none.

If maintenance wasn't an issue then the brass at Edison should have never said that it was on live TV. If DWP said Edison wasn't maintaining their equipment then I would be assuming they are speaking the truth but since it was Edison there is no reason to take it as anything other than fact.

Lets say all of the above is tru, but you choose to use your ride as a track days car and run it to the very limit and above. you exceed the limits of your vehicle and it fails,

Is that your fault or theirs?

your argument is based on a statement they did not maintain the lines, do you know how much it costs to maintain those lines? ( quick answer is you have no clue) maybe the 600 million in the past exceeded the general requirements and they were ahead, so they deferred money to a more productive cause ( I honestly have no clue).

 

[rivermobster]

You guys have it all wrong. Leave the power on. All you have to do is get rid of the 4 ists..... arsonists, environmentalists, leftists and socialists

Game over.

 

[lbhsbz]

No I did not say that. As far as my equipment I maintain it and as a result I have not been left stranded, my daily is a 2004 focus with 140k, right now it's having a small issue and I will be taking care of it in the week or so, it's a wearable item that you can't see without taking the intake off, the issue usually shows up between 80 and 100k. Maintenance, it's amazing

You said " I really hope edison can prove their equipment had no failures"... how do you know something needs attention without a failure?....however minor?



If you had an updated car you wouldn't have to repair your old car. The reason you need to address the small issue is because it's caused a failure. If the issue usually shows up before 100K miles, you should have handled it by then, instead of waiting till 140K miles. That's what we call neglect. See my point? Fixing everything before it breaks is not a sustainable business model unless you're involved in aviation.

 

[oldman]

In Ca don't think you can break clean from the grid. You will always have a bill.
Clean power iniative or some bs like that.

Differed maitenance, lived through that.

If you put it all underground it will give the unhoused() more to steal.

Yes you can, there are plenty of people living completely off grid. In pretty nice houses.

 

[Wizard29]

Edison said because they are behind in maintenance they will need to turn the power off, since the power keeps getting turned off then it's apparent it's not up to par. Edison officials really need to pick their words better. Don't you think?

The media didn't say that, EDISON DID what aren't you understanding about that?

If someone from Edison did say that, it isn't accurate. Public Safety Power Shutoffs are entirely unrelated to the maintenance status of the equipment in the affected area.

The fact that power is shut off in a given area is not an indicator that the equipment there has not been maintained.

 

[4Waters]

Lets say all of the above is tru, but you choose to use your ride as a track days car and run it to the very limit and above. you exceed the limits of your vehicle and it fails,

Is that your fault or theirs?

your argument is based on a statement they did not maintain the lines, do you know how much it costs to maintain those lines? ( quick answer is you have no clue) maybe the 600 million in the past exceeded the general requirements and they were ahead, so they deferred money to a more productive cause ( I honestly have no clue).

It's stated in my post about payment and expected maintenance

 

[4Waters]

If you had an updated car you wouldn't have to repair your old car. Same same.

Is it really, it's all about maintenance

 

[4Waters]

If someone from Edison did say that, it isn't accurate. Public Safety Power Shutoffs are entirely unrelated to the maintenance status of the equipment in the affected area.

The fact that power is shut off in a given area is not an indicator that the equipment there has not been maintained.

I would only think it was inaccurate if DWP said it, why would I think Edison is lying when they (Edison) say they are behind in maintenance

 

[oldman]

I can't afford that, plus they are in the business of providing power, not me

electricity is not a right.

 

[oldman]

I do have a nice sized solar system, Unfortunately, you can not be disconnected the grid.

yes you can, you choose not to.

 

[rivrrts429]

Maybe it’s easier if we work this argument from a different angle…

Are we saying that SCE’s infrastructure is as updated as possible?

 

[Wizard29]

I would only think it was inaccurate if DWP said it, why would I think Edison is lying when they (Edison) say they are behind in maintenance

Do you really think that Edison is going to correlate outages with "being behind on maintenance" and then put something like 600,000 customers out of power like they have over the last week? The conclusion that Edison is that far behind on maintenance and backlash from the public/state would be massive.

The PSPS events are not related to maintenance status of the equipment.

 

[4Waters]

Do you really think that Edison is going to correlate outages with "being behind on maintenance" and then put something like 600,000 customers out of power like they have over the last week? The conclusion that Edison is that far behind on maintenance and backlash from the public/state would be massive.

The PSPS events are not related to maintenance status of the equipment.

Yes

 

[Wizard29]

Yes

If Edison was that far behind on maintenance, then the state would be coming in and taking over operations.

So, no.

 

[oldman]

PSPS is based on risk, not repairs.

 

[4Waters]

If Edison was that far behind on maintenance, then the state would be coming in and taking over operations.

So, no.

 

[rrrr]

I doubt that

Doubt no more. Lemme know your thoughts when you finish reading the link. I don't post shit that's unfounded or speculative.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/california-fires-los-angeles-insurance-regulation-premiums-risk-fair-victoria-roach-gavin-newsom-1306d0a1?st=x1iED3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

 

[4Waters]

Doubt no more.

https://www.wsj.com/opinion/california-fires-los-angeles-insurance-regulation-premiums-risk-fair-victoria-roach-gavin-newsom-1306d0a1?st=x1iED3&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink

Ehh, ever hear of cooked books?

 

[lbhsbz]

And we a have a new one in Oxnard....the Auto Fire,

https://ktla.com/news/california/wildfires/crews-battle-fire-spreading-on-oxnard-golf-course/

Supposedly up to 5 acres now (I checked about 10 sources before I posted)
https://twitter.com/hashtag/AutoFire?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw

 

[evantwheeler]

I do have a nice sized solar system, Unfortunately, you can not be disconnected the grid.

You can have a disconnect at the main and not accept power from the grid. If youve got the money to pay for your own power and disconnect from the grid, youve got the money to not care about the $50 a month in fees to stay “connected” but not use any power. People are going to bitch about absolutely everything regardless of how good we have it.

 

[oldman]

You can have a disconnect at the main and not accept power from the grid. If youve got the money to pay for your own power and disconnect from the grid, youve got the money to not care about the $50 a month in fees to stay “connected” but not use any power. People are going to bitch about absolutely everything regardless of how good we have it.

You can drop the service completely and not pay the $50. and be on your own, nothing stopping it. most people will just complain though.

 

[rrrr]

Ehh, ever hear of cooked books?

Now you're being stupid. This has been reported in multiple places, it's public knowledge, and irrefutable. The Wall Street Journal isn't MSNBC.

This is a Fox News piece about Kamala Harris falsely claiming insurance policies have been cancelled after the fires.

David Sampson, president and CEO of the American Property Casualty Insurance Association (APCIA), told FOX Business, "It is false, wrong and dangerous to even insinuate that insurers are abandoning their customers, and it's especially concerning coming from a former California statewide elected official who should know the law.

Sampson noted that California law prohibits insurers from canceling an insurance policy during its term, except for very limited exceptions, such as non-payment of premiums or fraud.

He added, "So the implication that people who have insurance coverage effective on January 7th are being canceled — just to leave that impression with people and to create that fear — is irresponsible, in my view."

"In the wake of the latest fires in Southern California, some critics have blamed insurance companies for declining to cover property in the state's fire-prone areas. But Sampson says he has been warning California regulators for years about the vulnerability of the insurance market in the state.

He explained, "Over the last almost decade now, for every dollar of homeowners premium that we have collected, we have paid out $1.09 in claims — and that's not sustainable."

California fires: VP Harris called out over claim about canceled insurance

The insurance industry is pushing back against Vice President Kamala Harris suggesting carriers canceled the policies of some California wildfire victims, calling her claims "false."

www.foxbusiness.com

 

[4Waters]

Now you're being stupid. This has been reported in multiple places, it's public knowledge, and irrefutable. The Wall Street Journal isn't MSNBC.

Yeah, joe biden is mentally competent and gavin newsom never lies. They make money on some and lose on others, the risk of business, to cancel people that have been paying and never had a claim is BS, some people paid for 40 years or more, never had a claim and got canceled, yeah the ins company definitely would have lost it's ass on that claim. Once again bonuses come into play.

 

[rrrr]

Yeah, joe biden is mentally competent and gavin newsom never lies. They make money on some and lose on others, the risk of business, to cancel people that have been paying and never had a claim is BS, some people paid for 40 years or more, never had a claim and got canceled, yeah the ins company definitely would have lost it's ass on that claim. Once again bonuses come into play.

Can you read? California has prohibited insurers from pricing policies by assessed risk. Instead they are forced to use historical losses. Those losses occurred under very different circumstances and have no bearing on what insurers would have to pay today, in 2025.

It would be like State Farm being forced to charge you the same amount of money they did for your 2003 vehicle today for your 2024 vehicle.

Those past premiums paid for other people's losses, and allowed the company to stay solvent. Insurance is purchased for a time period covered by premiums. They aren't cumulative. Are you that dense?

If you're going to bitch, at least be informed what you're whining about.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

And we a have a new one in Oxnard....the Auto Fire,

https://ktla.com/news/california/wildfires/crews-battle-fire-spreading-on-oxnard-golf-course/

Supposedly up to 5 acres now (I checked about 10 sources before I posted)
https://twitter.com/hashtag/AutoFire?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Well yeah. The “news” sent their arsonists up there right after their own weather person pointed out that the highest winds were going to be in that area. Isn't it the least bit suspicious that the news hammers something and then it becomes fact?

 

[rivermobster]

My money says every one of these fires have been started by arsonists.

Fucking homeless losers that need to be rounded up and shot.

Fuck em all.

 

[rivermobster]

Oh wait, nevermind.

The real culprit has been found...

x.com

x.com

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

My money says every one of these fires have been started by arsonists.

Fucking homeless losers that need to be rounded up and shot.

Fuck em all.

Even the Eaton fire which someone is trying hard to pin on Edison based on that video of it starting under a tower. (not you 4waters)

 

[rivermobster]

Even the Eaton fire which someone is trying hard to pin on Edison based on that video of it starting under a tower. (not you 4waters)

Yep. All of em.

It's so easy to get to most towers as they have service roads leading right up to em.

Like something Jerry posted awhile back...

"Remember when we used to have high winds, and no fires?"

Living I Glendora, I certainly do. We have windstorms every dam year.

 

[4Waters]

Even the Eaton fire which someone is trying hard to pin on Edison based on that video of it starting under a tower. (not you 4waters)

I know, it's truly sucks that these power companies are the easy scapegoat, I would love for them to push back

 

[HTTP404]

So what if it was a restart from the NYE fire? Fire dept fault? Not the first time a fire restarted and caused destruction.

 

[rrrr]

I agree. Big difference between the two numbers though no matter if it's KM or MPH. The actual wind was almost double the rating regardless of whatever unit of measurement gets used to describe it.

A 90MPH wind in an area where the wind studies (containing data often provided by the state) indicate a 54MPH wind load design is required certainly qualifies as significant.

Yeah, the design parameters are what they are. I would think that's a distribution line and not a transmission line, since it seems kinda low. But unlike some other posters ( ), I don't claim to know shit about the utility side of the business. It would be interesting to know the wind speeds those hundred some thousand volt transmission lines are rated for.

 

[rivrrts429]

An Absolutely brutal nightmare…

Blake Mallen on Instagram: "Our family lost our home on Wednesday Jan 8th in the Palisades fire… We fought with everything we had — alongside incredible LAFD firefighters like @andrewmott101, Tony Verdecia, and many others who stayed with us until t

68K likes, 5,383 comments - blakemallen on January 12, 2025: "Our family lost our home on Wednesday Jan 8th in the Palisades fire… We fought with everything we had — alongside incredible LAFD firefighters like @andrewmott101, Tony Verdecia, and many others who stayed with us until the very end...

www.instagram.com

 

[Taboma]

What I find more scary than downed power lines or even arsonists, are the dumb-f*cks who live amongst us and who's ignorance result in fires on a daily basis, many are never mentioned in the media.
As an example, here's one from 2:47AM, just a couple of miles upwind of me to the east.
Because we've already experienced a wildfire loss, I'm obsessively vigilant using every source imaginable, during these dangerous conditions, like a caged cat if you hear my wife tell it.
I get up at 5AM like always, check Watch Duty to check for any local fires and sure enough, while we slept, a fire crew was working to extinguish a fire to keep us safe. Thankfully the wind wasn't howling or our day would be starting off much worse. Apparently some ass-clown that works for some nursery growing grounds never learned if you create a large mountain of mulch, the process of it's decomposition can result in sufficient heat to spontaneously combust.
I'm certainly thankful that somebody noticed it, reported it and the local FD who are located right around the corner got it promptly handled.

 

[HBCraig]

New work from fires, or pre fire work?

Both. Pole replacement is a constant business.
Anyone notice constant TV ads for Generac generators?

 

[Dog]

 

[coolchange]

In other news, we go from the dirt to the air ---- Let's all give a hearty welcome to Cal Fire's MAFF System Aerial weapon --- C-130 Number 122, based currently out of Ramona. The big Hercules carries 4,000 gallons of retardant. I read they put it to work yesterday and today on the Palisades fire.




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I was wondering when they were going to finish those and get them online. C130 is a bad ass aircraft. I’d like to see it in Action.
Got to watch some close-up DC 10 yesterday. That was cool.
Too bad 944 got decommissioned. I had some video from the fire line.
Kid sent me some video of that 747 making a pass when he was a hotshot. Pretty incredible.

 

[Taboma]

I was wondering when they were going to finish those and get them online. C130 is a bad ass aircraft. I’d like to see it in Action.
Got to watch some close-up DC 10 yesterday. That was cool.
Too bad 944 got decommissioned. I had some video from the fire line.
Kid sent me some video of that 747 making a pass when he was a hotshot. Pretty incredible.

Pretty cool, read that these new Cal Fire C-130 Hercs are equipped with the MAFFS systems. Seems these are also being deployed for use in Air Force C-130s by the forestry service.

The VLAT's, like DC-10 and the one or two (If still flying) 747's can carry almost twice as much retardant as the big Hercs, but the Hercs can really come in low and slow, so should make a great addition to their aerial arsenal.

"Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System​

The Modular Airborne Fire Fighting System, or MAFFS, Program provides emergency capability to supplement existing commercial tanker support on wildland fires. MAFFS aids the U.S. Department of Agriculture's Forest Service. When all other air tankers are activated but further assistance is needed, the Forest Service can request help from the Air Force's MAFFS units. MAFFS is a mission that highlights interagency cooperation.

MAFFS units fit inside C-130 airplanes without requiring structural modification. This allows the units to be loaded on short notice. It takes about two hours to load a MAFFS unit onto the C-130. The C-130s drop retardant from an altitude of about 150 feet through a discharge tube located in place of the left rear paratroop door of the aircraft.
A MAFFS unit can discharge its load -- 3,000 gallons weighing 28,000 pounds -- in less than five seconds. The retardant covers an area one-quarter of a mile long and 60 feet wide. After the plane discharges its load, and returns to an air tanker base, it can be refilled and airborne again in less than 20 minutes.

MAFFS units can drop either water or retardant called "slurry." Slurry is made of 80 to 85 percent water, 10 to 15 percent ammonium sulfate, a jelling agent and red coloring. The red in the retardant helps pilots see where they have dropped previous loads. Along with retarding the fire, the slurry acts as a fertilizer. Because the MAFFS discharges the agent in a mist, slurry does not cause damage to buildings.

Crews who fly MAFFS missions participate in annual re-currency training. Each wing is required to have five certified crews for each MAFFS unit.

In the 1970s, Congress established the MAFFS system after a major fire burned into Long Beach, Calif., destroyed hundreds of homes, and overwhelmed the civilian tanker fleet's ability to respond. Today, one Air Force Reserve Command and three Air National Guard locations participate in the MAFFS Program.

The 302nd Airlift Wing in Colorado Springs, Colo., is the only Reserve unit. The Guard units include the145th AW in Charlotte, N.C.; the 146th AW in Channel Islands, Calif. and the 153rd AW in Cheyenne, Wyo. The 302nd AW has two of the MAFFS units and the Guard has two units each for a total of eight systems nationwide."

 

[evantwheeler]

An Absolutely brutal nightmare…

Blake Mallen on Instagram: "Our family lost our home on Wednesday Jan 8th in the Palisades fire… We fought with everything we had — alongside incredible LAFD firefighters like @andrewmott101, Tony Verdecia, and many others who stayed with us until t

68K likes, 5,383 comments - blakemallen on January 12, 2025: "Our family lost our home on Wednesday Jan 8th in the Palisades fire… We fought with everything we had — alongside incredible LAFD firefighters like @andrewmott101, Tony Verdecia, and many others who stayed with us until the very end...

www.instagram.com

Heartbreaking.

 

[CLdrinker]

Palisades 100% not Edison

 

[Bpracing1127]

770$ from the federal government lol, what a joke

 

[4Waters]

770$ from the federal government lol, what a joke

Is that what they are giving victims of the fires?