Wind warning

[TheKoolaid]

Just learned my childhood home didn’t make it on Schueren

Sounds like at least 50 homes lost up top by Stunt/Las Flores area

Sorry to hear this, that was a nice house. The subdivision below lost 80%. The majority of the ones that survived were some of the internal homes along Monte Viento.

 

[DILLIGAF]

Not many. But his buddy knows more than anybody else.

Enjoy your Bucs game yesterday? Lol

 

[CLdrinker]

This was on TV this morning. I’m really hoping DWP is on the tower.

 

[attitude]

This was on TV this morning. I’m really hoping DWP is on the tower.

Is that the Eaton fire? I saw a video from a ring camera that shows the fire starting at the base of a transmission tower. That pic looks to be a screen shot that is zoomed in from the same video.

 

[CLdrinker]

Is that the Eaton fire? I saw a video from a ring camera that shows the fire starting at the base of a transmission tower. That pic looks to be a screen shot that is zoomed in from the same video.

Yes I believe this is Eaton.

 

[socal0487]

If you don’t think they arent spending money and man hours updating your fucking delusional
But it wouldn’t matter. You’re gonna find a reason to bitch.
As I said. I hope they turn your power off. Then they wouldnt have to worry about being the villain.

First lawsuits filed against Southern California Edison over Eaton Fire

Three lawsuits were filed Monday morning against Southern California Edison in connection with the Eaton Fire.

abc7.com

 

[Tooms22]

First lawsuits filed against Southern California Edison over Eaton Fire

Three lawsuits were filed Monday morning against Southern California Edison in connection with the Eaton Fire.

abc7.com

Yup, I got the word last week from a firm that I send some cases to that they would be taking Eaton Fire cases.

I'm guessing the video of it starting right under a power line tower was enough to start the push.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Yup, I got the word last week from a firm that I send some cases to that they would be taking Eaton Fire cases.

I'm guessing the video of it starting right under a power line tower was enough to start the push.

Just watch. Edison will turn off every ones power the next time we get the slightest breeze.

Be careful for what they wish for, it may have unintended consequences.

 

[Mr. C]

Just watch. Edison will turn off every ones power the next time we get the slightest breeze.

Be careful for what they wish for, it may have unintended consequences.

As I said earlier. I hope come Tuesday when this gets windy again. They shut it all down.
Then really let the bitching and whining begin.

As you said. Careful what you wish for.

 

[Mr. C]

First lawsuits filed against Southern California Edison over Eaton Fire

Three lawsuits were filed Monday morning against Southern California Edison in connection with the Eaton Fire.

abc7.com

You knew it was coming. Zero shock at all.

 

[Maw]

I'm old and remember Dr George on ABC7 calling these the Santana Winds (Satan's winds) 40-50 years ago, and telling the TV audience that "Santa Ana" was just a lazy corruption. Anybody else recall this?

 

[Taboma]

I'm old and remember Dr George on ABC7 calling these the Santana Winds (Satan's winds) 40-50 years ago, and telling the TV audience that "Santa Ana" was just a lazy corruption. Anybody else recall this?

I do, but that's wrong from everything I've read.
OC Historyland had a good story on it's history, if anybody's interested.
Since it burned my house down --- I call it the "Get Me the F*ck Out of Here Winds" Or Why I Love where I live, but hate the fall -- and now apparently winter as well.
Once my wife retires we need to figure out a reverse Snow Bird thing and go somewhere it's sopping ass wet.

Santa Ana Winds — OC Historyland

Origin of the name “Santa Ana Winds”

www.ochistoryland.com

 

[Dog]

 

[Orange Juice]

Some day, tree’s likes these will be treated as if they are power poles.
And will be city zoned from existence.

 

[socal0487]

You knew it was coming. Zero shock at all.

Yup. Maybe Edison can maintain there aging infrastructure instead of spending 35 million on a helicopter fleet

 

[lbhsbz]

Yup. Maybe Edison can maintain there aging infrastructure instead of spending 35 million on a helicopter fleet

35 million on a fleet of choppers is likely less costly than a fleet of workers....careful what you wish for. I think I'm paying more than enough for power as it is. If I was Edison, I'd do just like the insurance companies and tell everyone in fire areas to fuckoff.

 

[RitcheyRch]

There is a map of up to date homes surveyed. You hear about it on the tv, but seeing the map, wow

Palisades Fire – LA County Recovers

recovery.lacounty.gov

 

[Wizard29]

"Three lawsuits allege that the company failed to de-energize all of its electrical equipment on January 7"

@4Waters How do you argue this one? Now SCE is being sued for NOT de-energizing circuits. No-win scenario for the utilities.

 

[Wizard29]

If I was Edison, I'd do just like the insurance companies and tell everyone in fire areas to fuckoff.

Can't. The state mandates that electric utilities provide power at the established rates to residences within their service territory. Some housing development gets built in a fire zone? SCE or whatever utility serves that area does not have the ability to decline service to that area.

Utilities are constantly forced by the state to do things no sane company would do. And then they get sued for it.

 

[JDKRXW]

Some day, tree’s likes these will be treated as if they are power poles.
And will be city zoned from existence.
View attachment 1469191

With good reason.

 

[4Waters]

"Three lawsuits allege that the company failed to de-energize all of its electrical equipment on January 7"

@4Waters How do you argue this one? Now SCE is being sued for NOT de-energizing circuits. No-win scenario for the utilities.

Not my problem, maintain your shit, those lines didn't cause fires in the 70's 80's 90's. We've been paying our bills they should have been maintaining their equipment instead of paying big bonuses. There should be no bonuses for anyone associated with public utilities, ever.

 

[Runs2rch]

Not my problem, maintain your shit, those lines didn't cause fires in the 70's 80's 90's. We've been paying our bills they should have been maintaining their equipment instead of paying big bonuses. There should be no bonuses for anyone associated with public utilities, ever.

Same shit with healthcare.

 

[500bbc]

This was on TV this morning. I’m really hoping DWP is on the tower.

Nice spot for arson...

 

[4Waters]

Same shit with healthcare.

Agreed

 

[CLdrinker]

Nice spot for arson...

100% Trying to make it look obvious what started.
But… The most common occurrence for the utility to be responsible would be conductor slap. That happens mid span. Not at the base of a tower.
A Dead End insulator could maybe fail and drop the conductor. Well the conductor would not fall straight down lol.

Maybe a suspension insulator failed and that would drop the conductor straight down possibly allow it to slap the tower. Not likely.

 

[CLdrinker]

"Three lawsuits allege that the company failed to de-energize all of its electrical equipment on January 7"

@4Waters How do you argue this one? Now SCE is being sued for NOT de-energizing circuits. No-win scenario for the utilities.

Damned if you do, Damned if you don’t.

 

[CLdrinker]

Yup. Maybe Edison can maintain there aging infrastructure instead of spending 35 million on a helicopter fleet

Excuse me? Please explain with facts and numbers how Edison does not maintain infrastructure?

Hint I know a bit about it.

 

[rrrr]

As I said earlier. I hope come Tuesday when this gets windy again. They shut it all down.
Then really let the bitching and whining begin.

As you said. Careful what you wish for.

I read somewhere that the reclosers on their lines were disabled when the winds hit, but I suppose that an arc from just one grounding on a multiple kV transmission line could easily start a fire.

 

[HBCraig]

I can tell you, my cranes customers are absolutely slammed with work for SCE

 

[500bbc]

100% Trying to make it look obvious what started.
But… The most common occurrence for the utility to be responsible would be conductor slap. That happens mid span. Not at the base of a tower.
A Dead End insulator could maybe fail and drop the conductor. Well the conductor would not fall straight down lol.

Maybe a suspension insulator failed and that would drop the conductor straight down possibly allow it to slap the tower. Not likely.

Thanks for the information.
That's what I was thinking.

 

[lbhsbz]

Can't. The state mandates that electric utilities provide power at the established rates to residences within their service territory. Some housing development gets built in a fire zone? SCE or whatever utility serves that area does not have the ability to decline service to that area.

Utilities are constantly forced by the state to do things no sane company would do. And then they get sued for it.

Seems simple then, if it's a state mandate that goes against logic and creates danger, then when the process server shows up, spin him around and point him towards Sacramento. If that doesn't work, bring your own suit against the state for unreasonable mandates.

....and in the mean time, shut the power off to the governer's mansion.

 

[500bbc]

I read somewhere that the reclosers on their lines were disabled when the winds hit, but I suppose that an arc from just one grounding on a multiple kV transmission line could easily start a fire.

I know zero about transmission infrastructure. Again my question would be about ignition being at the base of a tower.

 

[Wizard29]

Not my problem, maintain your shit, those lines didn't cause fires in the 70's 80's 90's. We've been paying our bills they should have been maintaining their equipment instead of paying big bonuses. There should be no bonuses for anyone associated with public utilities, ever.

So you'll be mad if they turn the wires off or if they leave the wires on. Got it.

Your problem is you are assuming lack of maintenance. Are you in the industry? Do you know the required maintenance did not occur on the lines in question?

I was reading today that there was a line that went down (not the Eaton one) that was designed to withstand 90km/h, but failed as a result of 150km/h force. How does a utility "maintain" against that?

What I'm hearing is these have been the strongest winds that anybody has ever seen here...the strongest in 30 years or something like that. And you still want to blame the utilities? What's next? An 8.0 earthquake brings a transmission tower down, it starts a fire, and you blame the utility for not making the tower footings 20 feet in diameter and 100 feet deep?

 

[Wizard29]

Seems simple then, if it's a state mandate that goes against logic and creates danger, then when the process server shows up, spin him around and point him towards Sacramento. If that doesn't work, bring your own suit against the state for unreasonable mandates.

....and in the mean time, shut the power off to the governer's mansion.

...And the state (because it's run by genius politicians) will still tell you, "Tough shit. Do it anyway." Then what?

 

[LHC30]

all power lines should be underground! Problem SOLVED!


Change my mind

 

[FROGMAN524]

So why don’t they make all utility lines under the ground like all new neighborhoods in Arizona? Too much $$$?

 

[Mr. C]

all power lines should be underground! Problem SOLVED!


Change my mind

New builds. 100% agree.
Not possible for everybody and existing areas.

 

[CLdrinker]

So you'll be mad if they turn the wires off or if they leave the wires on. Got it.

Your problem is you are assuming lack of maintenance. Are you in the industry? Do you know the required maintenance did not occur on the lines in question?

I was reading today that there was a line that went down (not the Eaton one) that was designed to withstand 90km/h, but failed as a result of 150km/h force. How does a utility "maintain" against that?

What I'm hearing is these have been the strongest winds that anybody has ever seen here...the strongest in 30 years or something like that. And you still want to blame the utilities? What's next? An 8.0 earthquake brings a transmission tower down, it starts a fire, and you blame the utility for not making the tower footings 20 feet in diameter and 100 feet deep?

I have been down this road with 4waters. He makes assumptions and tries to pass them off as facts.

 

[4Waters]

100% Trying to make it look obvious what started.
But… The most common occurrence for the utility to be responsible would be conductor slap. That happens mid span. Not at the base of a tower.
A Dead End insulator could maybe fail and drop the conductor. Well the conductor would not fall straight down lol.

Maybe a suspension insulator failed and that would drop the conductor straight down possibly allow it to slap the tower. Not likely.

While I'm not up to date on the terms but know them when you say it, this is exactly what I was thinking, Edison will know very quickly if they had failure at the tower. I've said it a hundred times, I don't think it's Edisons equipment causing damn near every fire now when their equipment very very rarely caused fires 20+ year's ago. You and @oldman both state that lack of maintenance is not an issue but some dumbass at Edison said it was on live TV in 2018, so I will keep hammering the "Maintain your shit"

 

[CLdrinker]

all power lines should be underground! Problem SOLVED!


Change my mind

CPUC is yanking funding and rate increases for exactly that.
CPUC pushed us to do it. Noe they are changing course mid flight.

Another rug pull the utilities deal with that never makes the news.

 

[4Waters]

So you'll be mad if they turn the wires off or if they leave the wires on. Got it.

Your problem is you are assuming lack of maintenance. Are you in the industry? Do you know the required maintenance did not occur on the lines in question?

I was reading today that there was a line that went down (not the Eaton one) that was designed to withstand 90km/h, but failed as a result of 150km/h force. How does a utility "maintain" against that?

What I'm hearing is these have been the strongest winds that anybody has ever seen here...the strongest in 30 years or something like that. And you still want to blame the utilities? What's next? An 8.0 earthquake brings a transmission tower down, it starts a fire, and you blame the utility for not making the tower footings 20 feet in diameter and 100 feet deep?

Leave them on, simple and I'm not assuming anything, some dumbass from Edison said at a press conference in 2018 after the woosley fire that they were behind in repairs and maintenance, on live TV

 

[4Waters]

I have been down this road with 4waters. He makes assumptions and tries to pass them off as facts.

Not an assumption, it was said on live TV by Edison

 

[4Waters]

New builds. 100% agree.
Not possible for everybody and existing areas.

20 years ago they put a massive amount of Thousand Oaks that was previously above ground underground, they can do it

 

[Mr. C]

Leave them on, simple and I'm not assuming anything, some dumbass from Edison said at a press conference in 2018 after the woosley fire that they were behind in repairs and maintenance, on live TV

Got to get past 7 years ago. Lots has changed

 

[Taboma]

So why don’t they make all utility lines under the ground like all new neighborhoods in Arizona? Too much $$$?

Oh and hide those beautiful wires spanning your backyard Havasu lake views --- No please, noooooo

 

[CLdrinker]

So why don’t they make all utility lines under the ground like all new neighborhoods in Arizona? Too much $$$?

It’s super expensive. Min 1mill a mile.

That and we may not have rights. Guy on my team has been trying to get a DWP permit to pot hole next to a water mainline for 3yrs. That’s just to see if we have room.

From design to build takes forever.

 

[4Waters]

Got to get past 7 years ago. Lots has changed

Great, if it's all upgraded and up to par leave it on

 

[Looking Glass]

Not an assumption, it was said on live TV by Edison

a

BUT!!

You Ain't a Bud Light Drinker!!

 

[Mr. C]

Great, if it's all upgraded and up to par leave it on

NOPE. On the chance of a malfunction
I say. Shut all the fucking power off. And you all can deal with it.

 

[4Waters]

So why don’t they make all utility lines under the ground like all new neighborhoods in Arizona? Too much $$$?

They've been putting it underground since late 60's to mid 70's depending on local codes, here in Simi it started in 70 or 71 I think, my house is underground and was built in 72