When the levee breaks....Lake Oroville dam in trouble.

[ductape1000]

My daughter just texted me, she just took in 4 people and 4 dogs at her house from evacuees... she's in Chico.

If they haven't hit the stores for supplies, they might want to get to it asap.

The influx of people is going to clear the shelves for a while...

 

[RogerThat99]

As of 9pm, the water is below the edge of the emergency spillway.

02/12/2017 21:00

900.70'

3,548,654 AF

 

[Blubyu]

https://www.facebook.com/12news/posts/10155166078949015

Uhh....

 

[Mandelon]

News said maybe conference will be at 10:00 pm.

 

[460]

So they are going to drop bags filled with rocks into the hole and against the emergency spill way? What's going to happen in the near future when then have to open again? Wouldn't the bags just be pushed down with the water? Just trying to understand how that's going to help.

 

[Mandelon]

Yes, trying to fill any holes with heavy rocks to stave off further erosion...

 

[Flying_Lavey]

So they are going to drop bags filled with rocks into the hole and against the emergency spill way? What's going to happen in the near future when then have to open again? Wouldn't the bags just be pushed down with the water? Just trying to understand how that's going to help.

The emergency spillway is just a concrete ledge more or less that is set at 901' the damaged spillway is the operable one that can open and close. The rock is to go in front of the emergency spillway.

 

[RiverDave]

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You are giving advice about things being played out? You and your lame dick online persona is also played out. [emoji482][emoji482][emoji482]


I'm watching the feed. Seems they have it under control and are making head way. As always, the media is doing what they do and getting people all fired up. Yes it's bad, but if you heard the press conference then you heard them say the original hole in the spill way hasn't moved all day( hence them flowing more out).

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Pretty dire situation for a lot of people right now.. On the verge of one of the biggest disasters in CA history, some of our own members are being affected by it.. and your contribution to the thread is the crying Jordan thing and fighting with Grads.. The same guy who has been keeping the thread updated. Regardless of past antics etc..

Tyro, I talked to you about this stupid Jordan thing.. It's apparently one of those jokes I don't get..

At this point I don't care if I get it or not. Don't post that shit on here anymore. It has already caused drama multiple times, and here it is causing it again. Tell your three buddies that constantly post that shit to knock it off as well.

This isn't the time or the place.. and that thing isn't funny, it's lame as fuck.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Thoughts and Prayers to everyone affected by this so far. Keeping my fingers crossed that the spillway holds or the temp repairs slow down the water flow and erosion.

 

[460]

The emergency spillway is just a concrete ledge more or less that is set at 901' the damaged spillway is the operable one that can open and close. The rock is to go in front of the emergency spillway.

I get all that. Ive been watching and reading the past 3 hours.

With the area expecting more rain the next few weeks. I just don't see how once the bags are placed, in the event the lake over flows again and the emergency spill way is used the amount of water and force won't just sweep those bags away.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

All motels and hotels in the Grass Valley / Nevada City area are now full. The fairgrounds which is on the south end of GV off of McCourtney Rd. has room for camping, but you need a RV. More importantly, if you have family with horses or other large animals they can house them in the Ag area of the fairgrounds.

So, if you know someone in that situation pass it on. Anyone else heading east on Hwy 20 from the valley is going to be frustrated when they arrive. If they get here and find themselves in that situation I would head west down 49 to Auburn.

I can handle two RV's, but those people better tell me they found me via family on RDP if you have someone like that pm me in the next hour or so and I will go out and get them. They will never find me otherwise. I can handle a horse or two here, too.

 

[C-2]

Man, I bet they were in full-on China Syndrome mode and it will be a while before we know how close it came.

Hopefully the worse is over, and a tragedy has been avoided.

Fingers crossed.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

I get all that. Ive been watching and reading the past 3 hours.

With the area expecting more rain the next few weeks. I just don't see how once the bags are placed, in the event the lake over flows again and the emergency spill way is used the amount of water and force won't just sweep those bags away.

Tyro you make a helluva point, but I think the level of concern is so high about the right now they are not worrying about the later. They are briefing right now at the helo staging area. Worst case scenario they blow the bags up, but I think the truth is that e-spillway is so structurally unsound they don't plan to reopen it.
This is all just my opinion...

 

[460]

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Pretty dire situation for a lot of people right now.. On the verge of one of the biggest disasters in CA history, some of our own members are being affected by it.. and your contribution to the thread is the crying Jordan thing and fighting with Grads.. The same guy who has been keeping the thread updated. Regardless of past antics etc..

Tyro, I talked to you about this stupid Jordan thing.. It's apparently one of those jokes I don't get..

At this point I don't care if I get it or not. Don't post that shit on here anymore. It has already caused drama multiple times, and here it is causing it again. Tell your three buddies that constantly post that shit to knock it off as well.

This isn't the time or the place.. and that thing isn't funny, it's lame as fuck.

RD

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Is this ok?

Grads has you right where he wants you. Pitiful

 

[thetub]

News reported power on lights went out on the dam road. Must have lost power?

dumb question, but what happens if power does go out as far as the spillway?

is the spillway itself controlled by power? Im sure they have back up generators?

 

[GRADS]

All motels and hotels in the Grass Valley / Nevada City area are now full. The fairgrounds which is on the south end of GV off of McCourtney Rd. has room for camping, but you need a RV. More importantly, if you have family with horses or other large animals they can house them in the Ag area of the fairgrounds.

So, if you know someone in that situation pass it on. Anyone else heading east on Hwy 20 from the valley is going to be frustrated when they arrive. If they get here and find themselves in that situation I would head west down 49 to Auburn.

I can handle two RV's, but those people better tell me they found me via family on RDP if you have someone like that pm me in the next hour or so and I will go out and get them. They will never find me otherwise. I can handle a horse or two here, too.

:thumbsup

I've already said this once but if people make it to Roseville I've got room for you.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

The lights are back on.

I would expect backup power, but can''t confirm that.
It is possible the lights were shut down to allow overflight examinations, etc.

 

[460]

Tyro you make a helluva point, but I think the level of concern is so high about the right now they are not worrying about the later. They are briefing right now at the helo staging area. Worst case scenario they blow the bags up, but I think the truth is that e-spillway is so structurally unsound they don't plan to reopen it.
This is all just my opinion...

Just thinking outside the box. They are saying there is going to be a lot more rain. Hopefully they lower that lake extremely low to take into account the rain and snow melt. It would be a shame for this to happen again pretty soon.

 

[4Waters]

I think they might be getting the upper hand now, it is by no means under control and they have a long 48hrs to go. Since it has stopped flowing over the emergency spillway they should be able to ramp up the main spillway now, they should not shut that spillway down until the lake level is way down but they will probably do it this week to inspect the damage.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

I spent most of the day cleaning up at 2 other houses and mine getting ready for the next run...supposed to hit Wed-Thurs and go through the following week.
I am tired, tired, tired of this shit...

 

[Pelon]

Man, I bet they were in full-on China Syndrome mode and it will be a while before we know how close it came.

Hopefully the worse is over, and a tragedy has been avoided.

Fingers crossed.

I can't imagine the weight of a decision where the possible outcome is bad no mater which way you go. Now you have to start making decisions for 8 more weeks of a rainy season and a season of snow melt. This isn't over tonight.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

Just thinking outside the box. They are saying there is going to be a lot more rain. Hopefully they lower that lake extremely low to take into account the rain and snow melt. It would be a shame for this to happen again pretty soon.

This rain is coming on Wednesday/Thursday. There isn't enough time to drop it low enough.

I truly think we're gonna get wave after wave of the Oroville Dam situation for the rest of this winter.

 

[buck35]

Man, I bet they were in full-on China Syndrome mode and it will be a while before we know how close it came.

Hopefully the worse is over, and a tragedy has been avoided.

Fingers crossed.

They have seemingly lived to play another card , or hand . Depends what mother nature deals in the coming days. Lets all hope and pray they can flush enough water out beforehand to avert another crisis.

 

[460]

This rain is coming on Wednesday/Thursday. There isn't enough time to drop it low enough.

I truly think we're gonna get wave after wave of the Oroville Dam situation for the rest of this winter.

Shut the spill way down to repair or fill then open it back up and keep flowing 100k plus. If it's dropping the lake 4 inches an hour, keep dropping it. You would think they would drop it ridiculously low just to take into account the water they are going to get up there.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

This rain is coming on Wednesday/Thursday. There isn't enough time to drop it low enough.

I truly think we're gonna get wave after wave of the Oroville Dam situation for the rest of this winter.

I think you are right, and I think that there are many paths to screw this up, and only a few that lead to a good ending.

 

[SBMech]

It's not going to be way down anytime soon. From what I've read the lower dams are already taking their whole capacity at 100k outflow, and they would need to double it at least IMO to get clear in the next 2 days before the next storm.

This could get real bad soon...

The Oroville spillway is designed to flow 250k but somehow the lower dams will only take 113k of outflow before they are in trouble...CA engineering at it's finest

I pray that I am wrong, but it does not look good, even though the emergency spillway is temporarily clear.

 

[RiverDave]

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Is this ok?

Grads has you right where he wants you. Pitiful

Is it useful to the thread? Does it contribute in anyway? Does it show empathy towards the people who's homes are in jeopardy?

In those questions you will find the answer to your question of is it ok.

Stop being an asshole, and grow up. There is a reason your posts are largely being ignored in this thread but have now caught the attention of me.. and it isn't because they are funny nor does it have to do with Grads. It's a complete lack of respect and compassion to those that are in a real world situation.

You are a better man than that.

 

[JM21]

It's on the 10 news in San Diego but they have not shown the full story yet.

 

[GRADS]

Live update.

https://www.facebook.com/KCRA3/vide...live_video_explicit&notif_id=1486941585275775

 

[Wavemaker]

News reports at 10:00 pm reporting Northern California to receive snow and more rain mid-week thru the upcoming weekend. More inflow will be on its way to Oroville Dam's pool. The emergency spillway is subject to possible failure. Expecting more continued flooding down stream to the Sacramento River. Source: KTLA Los Angeles 10:00 pm News broadcast.

 

[GRADS]

They are saying they need to get the lake level down 50'+ to feel comfortable

 

[4Waters]

For everybody up there that have or are willing to take in displaced families I commend you you are all wonderful people. 😀👍

 

[Flyinbowtie]

So they are claiming the current outflow will bring the lake down 20 ft. in 36 hours. They would like to get it down 50 ft. before the next series of storms arrive.
I will say this for those of you with family and friends in the evac area, or if you own property in the area I believe the immediate threat lessens with every passing hour. Pass it on to those that need to hear it.
I think you should plan to be out of the area for a few days.
It is possible that they won't le you back in until they really get a big chunk of that lake dumped, enough to look at the system as a whole.
They have activated OES Region 5, which means a lot of cops are either already there or headed there. they will station cops at intersections where they can control ingress and egress, and those cops will be in serious mode, you will need ID and a letter from God to get into a place you don't belong. And you still may not get in.
Looters will be handled accordingly.
So, try to get some sleep, where ever you wind up. Rest is critical. Get some food in the morning, and listen. Listen to the people in charge, not the rumor mill.
there will be a lot of manure spread in the next few days, if it sounds like BS it probably is. Don't let your Blood Pressure go up for no damn reason. This isn''t going to be fun, and when i starts to rain again it will get a bit screwy. If you have a way to access it subscribe to the Butte County Sheriff's Twitter Feed, and if you live in another jurisdiction get on the feed for those agencies.
Again, listen. Think. Make good decisions.

G'night.

 

[BeerMaker]

I can't imagine the weight of a decision where the possible outcome is bad no mater which way you go. Now you have to start making decisions for 8 more weeks of a rainy season and a season of snow melt. This isn't over tonight.

Tough job. Tough decisions with do many variables. But it sounds like the inmates have it all figured out lots of experts. Glad to hear the situation is improving if even just a little.

 

[thetub]

alot of stuff going on...

[video=youtube_https;P87mjrohSpk]https://youtu.be/P87mjrohSpk[/video]

 

[Enen]

.. .dch

 

[Ouderkirk]

The president needs to do the right thing period regardless of political views

In politics, (and regardless of the people affected, this is politics), Trump should extract some level of concession from Gov. Brown.

No such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Old Texan]

First thing, prayers and hopes for a safe ending to what is a bad situation. Second be prepared for what is likely going to be a long term bad situation. I've intently followed this thread and don't know exact details of the watershed involved, but even if Oroville Dam stays intact, the amount of water is the real issue.

The cities and areas below the upper dams are the critical issue and flood waters will rise and they will get to places that have never been flooded before. Now is the time to prepare and find reliable sources of information. Network news is not a reliable source for the most part. Get familiar with the DWR and government data sources and learn how to read the charts and get the up to the minute numbers on waterways and dams that effect your location.

We went through flooding of the Brazos River in early 2016 and it was bad, yet minor in relation to what is happening in NorCal. I hope I'm wrong, but it is very possible from the weather predictions and the spring thaw, that flooding could go on for an extended period. Our event played out over 3-4 weeks and a great number of homes were unaccessible for a couple weeks. We followed the Corps water flow charts and it was the best way of knowing how much was coming and when. This is very important info if you are holding out and if things get worse, allows time to get out.

Many folks will be looking for long term lodging and jobs will be on hold. My whole point here is to be prepared and to start working on a plan. Again, I hope like hell I'm wrong, but this deal looks like there is going to be a lot of water and it will take time to flow to the sea, spreading out and rising to record levels.

And remember, the government has made lots of blunders, but events like this happen and it's near impossible to predict when they will happen. There will be plenty of time to blame later, so don't let frustration and hard times get in the way of surviving.

Prayer to all and plan for safety.

 

[cicchetti_24]

In politics, (and regardless of the people affected, this is politics), Trump should extract some level of concession from Gov. Brown.

No such thing as a free lunch.

And what other president has done that? If this turns into a disaster there is no need for political BS or grandstanding we need to learn from our mistakes and procedures and make them better. The president is not a "dictator" and he is owed nothing from any Governor. Should Obama held funds because Chris Christie bad mouthed him and his bridge scandal before hurricane Sandy? No, he did the right thing. Doing the right thing has gotten lost somewhere here over the last 16 or so years.


Yep, you're right and we pay Federal taxes so therefore it's not free. I get you people hate California, but asking for "concessions" during a state of emergency is just ridiculous. I do not subscribe to your thought process.

Not everything has to be politicized

 

[Old Texan]

In politics, (and regardless of the people affected, this is politics), Trump should extract some level of concession from Gov. Brown.

No such thing as a free lunch.

I have confidence the POTUS will put the people first.

Brown will be dealt with when the appropriate time comes. This is a major disaster that likely will only get worse. Politics can wait.:grumble:

 

[cicchetti_24]

First thing, prayers and hopes for a safe ending to what is a bad situation. Second be prepared for what is likely going to be a long term bad situation. I've intently followed this thread and don't know exact details of the watershed involved, but even if Oroville Dam stays intact, the amount of water is the real issue.

The cities and areas below the upper dams are the critical issue and flood waters will rise and they will get to places that have never been flooded before. Now is the time to prepare and find reliable sources of information. Network news is not a reliable source for the most part. Get familiar with the DWR and government data sources and learn how to read the charts and get the up to the minute numbers on waterways and dams that effect your location.

We went through flooding of the Brazos River in early 2016 and it was bad, yet minor in relation to what is happening in NorCal. I hope I'm wrong, but it is very possible from the weather predictions and the spring thaw, that flooding could go on for an extended period. Our event played out over 3-4 weeks and a great number of homes were unaccessible for a couple weeks. We followed the Corps water flow charts and it was the best way of knowing how much was coming and when. This is very important info if you are holding out and if things get worse, allows time to get out.

Many folks will be looking for long term lodging and jobs will be on hold. My whole point here is to be prepared and to start working on a plan. Again, I hope like hell I'm wrong, but this deal looks like there is going to be a lot of water and it will take time to flow to the sea, spreading out and rising to record levels.

And remember, the government has made lots of blunders, but events like this happen and it's near impossible to predict when they will happen. There will be plenty of time to blame later, so don't let frustration and hard times get in the way of surviving.

Prayer to all and plan for safety.

My thoughts exactly

Thanks OT :thumbsup

 

[Her454]

I spent most of the day cleaning up at 2 other houses and mine getting ready for the next run...supposed to hit Wed-Thurs and go through the following week.
I am tired, tired, tired of this shit...

Same here FBT. God knows we need the rain, but enough is enough. Each storm has caused me a lot of damage so far and still cleaning up from it. Having to take a different detour every day to work because the roads are failing. Trees, mud slides etc. it's crazy. Between the damn floods and the fires up here I'm getting so sick of living in this area and actually considering selling my house and moving back to the desert!

Nothing compared to this dam if it fails and the tragedy ahead for the people in its path...Still praying as the next storm is coming in.

 

[Long Way Home]

Sacramento KCRA News Live

http://www.kcra.com/nowcast


LiveCopter 3 flies over as water flows over emergency spillway
http://www.kcra.com/article/livecopter-3-flies-over-as-water-flows-over-emergency-spillway/8732063

 

[Riverbound]

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[Mr. C]

I agree with you and am sure he will also.
But you know he is dying to say " Fuck you, I win":champagne:

I have confidence the POTUS will put the people first.

Brown will be dealt with when the appropriate time comes. This is a major disaster that likely will only get worse. Politics can wait.:grumble:

 

[Flyinbowtie]

I don't know why I didn't look for this earlier, but here it is.
Should be some interesting Aero-Ops visible here today if they go through with the bag-o-rocks drop program.

http://www.parks.ca.gov/?page_id=29411

That link is a web cam at the park, located south end of the dam, from the lake side. The e-spillway on the far end of the dam.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

The channel 3 feed is showing a privately owned blackhawk helo blowing the dust out of the rock bagging site. Some serious $ being spent today.

 

[wsuwrhr]

The channel 3 feed is showing a privately owned blackhawk helo blowing the dust out of the rock bagging site. Some serious $ being spent today.

Privately owned.....

Bad. Ass.

 

[Yellowboat]

The channel 3 feed is showing a privately owned blackhawk helo blowing the dust out of the rock bagging site. Some serious $ being spent today.

that has too be 10k an hour min.

 

[Ouderkirk]

And what other president has done that? If this turns into a disaster there is no need for political BS or grandstanding we need to learn from our mistakes and procedures and make them better. The president is not a "dictator" and he is owed nothing from any Governor. Should Obama held funds because Chris Christie bad mouthed him and his bridge scandal before hurricane Sandy? No, he did the right thing. Doing the right thing has gotten lost somewhere here over the last 16 or so years.


Yep, you're right and we pay Federal taxes so therefore it's not free. I get you people hate California, but asking for "concessions" during a state of emergency is just ridiculous. I do not subscribe to your thought process.

Not everything has to be politicized

I don't hate California. I hate the political left because they politicize everything.

You have the same problems in California (with government) that I have here in New York. We both have profoundly stupid politicians who are only concerned about how they can turn a disaster to their own political benefit and the public's well being be damned. The only question is whose politicians are dumber, yours or mine? I'd bet mine and that's not exactly something I'm proud of.

The concessions that should be granted going in both directions is:

1) Brown keeps his mouth shut and stops grandstanding for his own political benefit.
2) Trump needs to keep his mouth shut and do the right thing and not grandstand for his own political benefit.

Now...if I were a betting man, I would bet that neither of these two can manage to do these simple tasks without injecting some PR bullshit for their own benefit.

There is no clearer example of political whoring (and all around general stupidity) than NY Governor Andrew Cuomo. Cuomo is far, far, FAR worse than Jerry Brown. I wish I had Jerry Brown as Governor of NY instead of Andrew Cuomo.