Speed UTV take 3

[zhandfull]

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Tuff retail environment for toys it sounds like.

 

[rivermobster]

Probably today.. is what it was inferring.

RD

Really Dave?

Exactly how long DO you think it takes powder coating to be sprayed and dried?

That's after everything is welded together and checked for defects.

They DO have quality control in place, right?

C'mon man!

 

[dirtracer]

That’s Hisun not speed. A CM. Speed on the other hand is a garage shop.

Whatever - then.... its not a garage shop that Robby is using...

 

[Bpracing1127]

Whatever - then.... its not a garage shop that Robby is using...

Correct. Hisun is far from it.

 

[RiverDave]

Really Dave?

Exactly how long DO you think it takes powder coating to be sprayed and dried?

That's after everything is welded together and checked for defects.

They DO have quality control in place, right?

C'mon man!

In a production environment? It’s measured on how fast the units come off the line?

 

[sandshark1]

I do know Chase Carr (2nd place) in 2900 class is in a Pro R. Does the Mav R and Pro R only race in 2900 class?

I don’t know SNORE class rules and was wondering the same thing. Someone here will know it.

Mav R races in the turbo class or it can be raced in the unlimited class with the Pro R. That is why you see some Can Ams in the 2900 with the Pro R and some in the turbo class.

 

[rivermobster]

In a production environment? It’s measured on how fast the units come off the line?

Honestly, who really knows.

I would guess the can assemble multiple frames a day, easily?

But the powder coating, per frame, is gonna take easily a day or two to completely cure.

How many of those can they spray and bake, in one day?

When you seriously think about everything involved, maybe one business week, per car?

The question is how many cars, can they have in production, at any given time?

Basically, it's a misleading clip at best, so that's why people are laughing about it.

 

[RiverDave]

Honestly, who really knows.

I would guess the can assemble multiple frames a day, easily?

But the powder coating, per frame, is gonna take easily a day or two to completely cure.

How many of those can they spray and bake, in one day?

When you seriously think about everything involved, maybe one business week, per car?

The question is how many cars, can they have in production, at any given time?

Basically, it's a misleading clip at best, so that's why people are laughing about it.

Well I’m not a powder coat expert but I’d suspect your numbers are WAAAYYY OFF in a production environment.. spray / oven cured maybe an hour or two? (At max? I’d bet it’s even less with static paint / powder?). Meaning they charge the frame either negative or positive and the powder opposite so it sticks and goes into crevices?

I watched zeiman paint a whole trailer (not powder) in like 25 - 30 minutes once.. then it went to a curing room.. I don’t see why powder would be any different before going into an auto clave or some kinda oven for a bit?

Figure in production they probably already have shit at predetermined temps when spraying before the oven for faster cure times?

RD

 

[rivermobster]

Well I’m not a powder coat expert but I’d suspect your numbers are WAAAYYY OFF in a production environment.. spray / oven cured maybe an hour or two? (At max? I’d bet it’s even less with static paint / powder?). Meaning they charge the frame either negative or positive and the powder opposite so it sticks and goes into crevices?

I watched zeiman paint a whole trailer (not powder) in like 25 - 30 minutes once.. then it went to a curing room.. I don’t see why powder would be any different before going into an auto clave for a bit?

RD

It's silly to argue about.

Point is, it's another misleading vid to (try) and keep people on the edge of their seat.

Lemme know when he fills all his existing orders.

 

[RiverDave]

It's silly to argue about.

Point is, it's another misleading vid to (try) and keep people on the edge of their seat.

Lemme know when he fills all his existing orders.

It’s silly to argue something that you just said takes days could be done in like a hour?

I think it’s silly to post something like that.. lol. The fact they are making cars faster means they are getting ever closer to doing just that.. the fact they have made several generational improvements during the process is good for the current slot holders?

 

[Bpracing1127]

It's silly to argue about.

Point is, it's another misleading vid to (try) and keep people on the edge of their seat.

Lemme know when he fills all his existing orders.

You might be in a retirement home when that happens. It’s coming up on 2 years since cars were first delivered and they are barely at 1000 cars

 

[RiverDave]

You might be in a retirement home when that happens. It’s coming up on 2 years since cars were first delivered and they are barely at 1000 cars

And improving everyday.

I will happily buy YOUR SPOT number if it makes you happy. lol.

RD

 

[Icky]

I can tell you that inland powder coating does production powder coating and can handle a larger volume vs your typical job shop powder coater.

 

[WildHorses24]

And improving everyday.

I will happily buy YOUR SPOT number if it makes you happy. lol.

RD

I've been looking for a low # El Jefe to take over and most rez holders are screaming "Class Action!!, BURN Speed, FUCK Robby!!" and 10 min later posting a FB Market ad praising Speed and what a deal their spot would be to the next guy (at a profit)...

 

[1tonfun]

And improving everyday.

I will happily buy YOUR SPOT number if it makes you happy. lol.

RD

I'll sell you mine, I just want out at this point.

 

[RiverDave]

I'll sell you mine, I just want out at this point.

I was being sarcastic to ole bp

But post your number your options and your price? Ya never know?

 

[rivermobster]

It’s silly to argue something that you just said takes days could be done in like a hour?

I think it’s silly to post something like that.. lol. The fact they are making cars faster means they are getting ever closer to doing just that.. the fact they have made several generational improvements during the process is good for the current slot holders?

Once again, lemme know when the existing orders are filled.

 

[RiverDave]

Once again, lemme know when the existing orders are filled.

Well they are being filled daily.. saw a bunch of cars in front of the havasu shop today?

RD

 

[Badchoices03]

Well they are being filled daily.. saw a bunch of cars in front of the havasu shop today?

RD

The Anaheim location always has a ton outside....not sure if they are the same ones sitting or new ones just passing through though...

 

[RiverDave]

If we really want to light a match on this powder keg..

Me twisting my evil mustache.. in knowing that some some want out and are willing to sell at original cost is it worth dipping the toe back in and swooping on some spots to resell for more down the road on a hedge bet that they come through? Is it worth waiting and negotiating harder and letting the minions on the internet continue to try and hurt resale even though 99% of them have zero financial interests?

Hhhhmmmmm.. I did pretty well first round? lol

RD

 

[RiverDave]

The Anaheim location always has a ton outside....not sure if they are the same ones sitting or new ones just passing through though...

They had a ton.. then they were all gone.. then there was another ton then they were all gone..

I believe this the third set since their open house. Nobody talks about that though.

RD

 

[rivermobster]

If we really want to light a match on this powder keg..

Me twisting my evil mustache.. in knowing that some some want out and are willing to sell at original cost is it worth dipping the toe back in and swooping on some spots to resell for more down the road on a hedge bet that they come through? Is it worth waiting and negotiating harder and letting the minions on the internet continue to try and hurt resale even though 99% of them have zero financial interests?

Hhhhmmmmm.. I did pretty well first round? lol

RD

Call me if you're serious.

 

[brecht]

If we really want to light a match on this powder keg..

Me twisting my evil mustache.. in knowing that some some want out and are willing to sell at original cost is it worth dipping the toe back in and swooping on some spots to resell for more down the road on a hedge bet that they come through? Is it worth waiting and negotiating harder and letting the minions on the internet continue to try and hurt resale even though 99% of them have zero financial interests?

Hhhhmmmmm.. I did pretty well first round? lol

RD

My spot #2277 has been for sale at my cost. I'll even entertain offers

 

[RiverDave]

My spot #2277 has been for sale at my cost. I'll even entertain offers


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The trick to that game is to try and find spots and the initial price offerings before the prices went up.. then hedge the bet that the tides turn (which they are as more people get them to put weigh the haters). Then sell to someone that is an rg fan for a small margin over retail to get one sooner..

This number is a ways out and the price increases already happened. It would be difficult to flip because of the timelines and the price increases.

I’d have to look up mine but I think I paid 31-32 for the rg el jefe and all the accessories were 20-25% cheaper.

Most the numbers I had I was able to sell to people that wanted earlier spots for the retail price after they increased. I only ended up with one extra and was able to break even on it.

My speed was essentially free though after doing six of them.

RD

 

[brecht]

The trick to that game is to try and find spots and the initial price offerings before the prices went up.. then hedge the bet that the tides turn (which they are as more people get them to put weigh the haters). Then sell to someone that is an rg fan for a small margin over retail to get one sooner..

This number is a ways out and the price increases already happened. It would be difficult to flip because of the timelines and the price increases.

RD

If I remember right the price difference only went up on the car but not the accessories the first time (its been a while). Car was on tier 2 of pricing and I think its now like 4? The difference could easily be negotiated through the accessory ("to me") price

 

[DWC]

My spot #2277 has been for sale at my cost. I'll even entertain offers


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What’s the current ETA on your car?

 

[1tonfun]

Mine has been for sale at my cost as well, #1408

 

[brecht]

What’s the current ETA on your car?

It's anyones guess tbh. Last year if you asked me the ETA would be right now but then deliveries slowed to a crawl

The cars do seem to be getting better every batch of releases and with this number it will be built after the new clutching updates

Just letting the dice roll at this point and we'll see what happens

 

[Bpracing1127]

What’s the current ETA on your car?

Given the current rate of 1000 cars in two years. He is car 2277. Like 2.5 years so July of 2027. lol

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Who from GD.com is taking possession of the TVM Mav R that was posted on YT today?

 

[riverroyal]

Given the current rate of 1000 cars in two years. He is car 2277. Like 2.5 years so July of 2027. lol

There's your production count right there
730 days. 1000 cars.
1.4 cars per day.
They have picked up speed. Lol.

 

[Singleton]

This has become a joke.
How many folks were told they needed to pay for accessories apx 2 years ago and are still waiting for cars.

People are all up on boat manufacturers taking money and not delivered product. Same applies to this shit.

 

[rivrrts429]

This has become a joke.
How many folks were told they needed to pay for accessories apx 2 years ago and are still waiting for cars.

People are all up on boat manufacturers taking money and not delivered product. Same applies to this shit.

Well… Speed isn’t out of business… yet anyways lol

 

[Racer56]

There are quite a few speeds for sale on FB marketplace cheap with less than 500 miles on them. Why buy someone's future spot when you can have a car today for the same or less money.

 

[Tony DCB Boats]

Is the #1 driver related to @Tony DCB Boats. Looks like the same last name and from El Cajon?

Yes, its a cousin.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Honestly, who really knows.

I would guess the can assemble multiple frames a day, easily?

But the powder coating, per frame, is gonna take easily a day or two to completely cure.

How many of those can they spray and bake, in one day?

When you seriously think about everything involved, maybe one business week, per car?

The question is how many cars, can they have in production, at any given time?

Basically, it's a misleading clip at best, so that's why people are laughing about it.

Elon should buy Speed and revolutionize the production line.

 

[rivermobster]

Elon should buy Speed and revolutionize the production line.

Maybe. Maybe not?

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/06/27/jd-power-tesla-loses-its-ev-quality-edge.html

 

[Eliminator21vdrive]

Honestly, who really knows.

I would guess the can assemble multiple frames a day, easily?

But the powder coating, per frame, is gonna take easily a day or two to completely cure.

How many of those can they spray and bake, in one day?

When you seriously think about everything involved, maybe one business week, per car?

The question is how many cars, can they have in production, at any given time?

Basically, it's a misleading clip at best, so that's why people are laughing about it.

Probably one an hour at one at a time. Part temp rise time to 400 ish and 20 minutes to full cure on most products I have used.

 

[EarpRider]

Speed posted on their Facebook page yesterday, "Still time to get your Speed sweatshirts before Christmas."
Kinda like pouring salt in wound of guys who wanted their cars before Christmas.

 

[rivrrts429]

Speed posted on their Facebook page yesterday, "Still time to get your Speed sweatshirts before Christmas."
Kinda like pouring salt in wound of guys who wanted their cars before Christmas.
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People are crazy. Lots of these people you find out don’t have cars on order and are just trolls. Then get caught when the troll gets troll’d.

Just sell the car online if you’re that frustrated. Venting to the world in this manner is just weird to me. Like breaking up with your chick via text lol

 

[FROGMAN524]

Serious question, if you ordered a car at the beginning or close to it, and that was a 2022 or 23 model you ordered, but you don’t get the car until 2025, do you get a 2025 model year?

 

[Bpracing1127]

Serious question, if you ordered a car at the beginning or close to it, and that was a 2022 or 23 model you ordered, but you don’t get the car until 2025, do you get a 2025 model year?

Yes. All the cars up till now are either 2023 or 2024 model years. They didn’t start 2024 model years until like June or July of 2024.

LOF car is a 2023 and he took delivery in Feb.

Dave’s is a 2023 and he took delivery in 2023 September I believe.

 

[DLC]

All I know is in 2025, I don’t want a brand new 2023 Speed car !

LoL

I think the longer these take to get out into the wild, the better the car will be!

They are on tune 15

Revising the clutch system

Fixed the turbo issue

Quite a few fixes have been made and they keep getting better and better

But Wait….

Just think what tune 77 will be like
and IMAGINE
driving your SPEED car on a HOT summer day w/ a windshield….

 

[riverroyal]

All I know is in 2025, I don’t want a brand new 2023 Speed car !

LoL

I think the longer these take to get out into the wild, the better the car will be!

They are on tune 15

Revising the clutch system

Fixed the turbo issue

Quite a few fixes have been made and they keep getting better and better

But Wait….

Just think what tune 77 will be like
and IMAGINE
driving your SPEED car on a HOT summer day w/ a windshield….

Lol. The next tune will fix axles, cv joints. Belts, clutches, doors. Don't worry, that plug and play shit is like magic

 

[rivermobster]

All I know is in 2025, I don’t want a brand new 2023 Speed car !

LoL

I think the longer these take to get out into the wild, the better the car will be!

They are on tune 15

Revising the clutch system

Fixed the turbo issue

Quite a few fixes have been made and they keep getting better and better

But Wait….

Just think what tune 77 will be like
and IMAGINE
driving your SPEED car on a HOT summer day w/ a windshield….

Hater!!!

 

[DMF]

All I know is in 2025, I don’t want a brand new 2023 Speed car !

LoL

I think the longer these take to get out into the wild, the better the car will be!

They are on tune 15

Revising the clutch system

Fixed the turbo issue

Quite a few fixes have been made and they keep getting better and better

But Wait….

Just think what tune 77 will be like
and IMAGINE
driving your SPEED car on a HOT summer day w/ a windshield….

How much do you want to pay for my spot?

 

[rivermobster]

How much do you want to pay for my spot?

I'll start the bidding with this...

 

[DMF]

I'll start the bidding with this...

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Do we have six hunnit and fiddy going once...

 

[DWC]

Lol. The next tune will fix axles, cv joints. Belts, clutches, doors. Don't worry, that plug and play shit is like magic

They just need to invest in AI.

 

[rivermobster]

They just need to invest in AI.

Or at least consult it once in awhile??

All the cool kids are doing it!