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EmpirE231 said:
Funny.. my first SPEED UTV sighting in glamis this last week... we were camped on PAD 5 @ the crossover.....sitting around the campfire, and we see a speed UTV pulling up, and it was towing a broke down SPEED UTV lol. We all had to laugh about it, as we were just saying how we haven't seen many out there. Has anyone jumped the swingset double in a SPEED utv yet?
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Yes they have Dave Hargrett was doing it
 
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With my group it’s all fun and jokes.. I especially love joking with William.. some people take this shit way too seriously though and seriously gotta relax..

Everybody broke a bunch of shit and made a bunch of memories. We will all get it fixed and do it again soon.

Ole Willie didn’t want no part of the speed car all weekend though.. until it broke then he was All about it. lol.

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How did that Speed car do Pushing That RzR w/ a STIFF Strap…..


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RiverDave said:
So did the rzr's.. LOL. they all break.. shit happens.

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Often the breakdowns create the best memories.

Met a guy on the snowmobile trail last year...His clutch was giving issues (bolt backed out)..I rode the 12ish miles to my truck to get tools and back... Which is one hell of an incline..keeping my summit cool was a chore on the trail (lack of powder hitting the tunnel to keep it cool). Once I got up there and we screwed with it for an hour or so...it was dark...pitch black but a clear night. Through redneck engineering we and the rest of those that stopped (around 10) all got back to eagle creek snopark parking, beer got to flowing and a lot of friends were made that night.

I'd have never met any of those guys without stopping for a broke down guy, and it was on of my best days on the trail last year.
 
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With all of the problems described here from all manufacturers, I noticed some vehicles here in the Philippines today that maybe you side by side guys would be better off in...

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SeanRitchie said:
Weird, my phone has not been ringing for any Speed transmission or diff related issues. At all. Not one.

Here's some truth on the Speed UTV trans and diff agreement between Weddle and Speed, any Speed UTV transmission and diffs that require service are to be done here at Weddle. Again, not one call.

Pro-R on the other hand, I think we fixed/prepped about 12 transmission over the past year, and about 20 front diffs. (I didn't have a labor part number set up for these until midway through the year, so hard to track the exact numbers)

Serviced or sold about 30 Can-Am X3 front diffs over the past year.

I won't get into the Arctic Cat numbers, they have done well for us. We have some great new products for those now.

Hey Fish, I need a chase radio for my Jeep before KOH. Who should I talk to over there at PCI?
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Hell Mason AWD million dollar TTs break the front diffs as well quite often lol. Seems to be the weak link in most AWD offroad vehicles so far. Yes you have fixed those Pro R parts because there is thousands of them out there and a LOT of them are racing so of course more stuff is going to break while racing too.

Send me a DM and ill get ya dialed in on the radio you need!
 
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Fishd00d said:
Hell Mason AWD million dollar TTs break the front diffs as well quite often lol. Seems to be the weak link in most AWD offroad vehicles so far. Yes you have fixed those Pro R parts because there is thousands of them out there and a LOT of them are racing so of course more stuff is going to break while racing too.

Send me a DM and ill get ya dialed in on the radio you need!
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I think he was referring to you insinuating the transmissions are problematic. Since Sean has been involved with the transmission he didn’t want it to be a potential negative review to his business.

Your original post could be interpreted a few different ways.
 
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RiverDave said:
With my group it’s all fun and jokes.. I especially love joking with William.. some people take this shit way too seriously though and seriously gotta relax..

Everybody broke a bunch of shit and made a bunch of memories. We will all get it fixed and do it again soon.

Ole Willie didn’t want no part of the speed car all weekend though.. until it broke then he was All about it. lol.

RD
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I will be known in the history books being the first Rzr being towed by a speed car......
 
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rivrrts429 said:
I think he was referring to you insinuating the transmissions are problematic. Since Sean has been involved with the transmission he didn’t want it to be a potential negative review to his business.

Your original post could be interpreted a few different ways.
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The transmission was a large issue, has it been fixed? Seems like it so far. I never said anything was wrong with Seans parts or his business so not sure what the point about that is. Fact is the Engine and originally the trans have been the biggest issues for Speed.
 
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Fishd00d said:
The transmission was a large issue, has it been fixed? Seems like it so far. I never said anything was wrong with Seans parts or his business so not sure what the point about that is. Fact is the Engine and originally the trans have been the biggest issues for Speed.
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Good/bad that RG put us in the spotlight when he said we were helping out with these. Good that a high profile personality supports us and has faith in our company. Bad that the public starts to look our direction whenever there is talk of any drivetrain issues.

Our involvement was quite minimal. Albins and Robby's design team did all of the heavy design work. I looked at the CAD files and pointed out a few things to be addressed and that was about it. We have no direct design involvement, just an exchange of ideas and things to watch out for where others have had issues.

Fish, I know your style, so I don't take any offense to it, but since our name is now attached to these I do have to address any false pretenses as they arise.

Yes, they did have the thin case issue on the first batch of transmissions, I actually have a few of these sitting here in the shop. Luckily that was caught early on and changes were made on a timeline that is unimaginable to me. It truly is wild what RG pulled off to get those changes implemented for the units that were already in progress in just a few days time.

I have not heard of any issues on the Gen 2 units other than the parking brake annoyance. As I said earlier in this thread, the parking brake design in the trans is a tough line to walk mechanically. There is no real magic design as of yet that allows for solid vehicle hold without causing excess force to release when loaded on a hill.
 
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Fishd00d said:
The transmission was a large issue, has it been fixed? Seems like it so far. I never said anything was wrong with Seans parts or his business so not sure what the point about that is. Fact is the Engine and originally the trans have been the biggest issues for Speed.
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I’m not disagreeing with you. The written word can be difficult to convey emotion. That is why your original post could be interpreted differently.

No harm no foul, all good.
 
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Any idea why the speed key hasn't been released yet? Asking for a friend.

Seems like with that key released it would blow away all his competitor's, right? That extra HP is a game changer, yes?
 
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stonehenge said:
Any idea why the speed key hasn't been released yet? Asking for a friend.

Seems like with that key released it would blow away all his competitor's, right? That extra HP is a game changer, yes?
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Totally blow away the competitors....and the motor. LOL I wouldn't release it yet if I where them given the other fixes they are going through.
 
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stonehenge said:
Any idea why the speed key hasn't been released yet? Asking for a friend.

Seems like with that key released it would blow away all his competitor's, right? That extra HP is a game changer, yes?
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Yes,
The determined that a top end lube was required to run E-85, that meant they needed to back to the EPA for recertification. RG says when the 2024 cert is approved that will include the Speed Key with the top end lube, but they have other issues that Speed is aware of, and don't know how to approach it yet.
If you are using a top end lube, how does Speed know that you are mixing it correctly? If there is an engine failure, how does Speed determine if it's a customers fault, or a Speed engine problem? Seems like the Speed Key is a cluster fuck.
 
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dirtslinger2 said:
Yes,
The determined that a top end lube was required to run E-85, that meant they needed to back to the EPA for recertification. RG says when the 2024 cert is approved that will include the Speed Key with the top end lube, but they have other issues that Speed is aware of, and don't know how to approach it yet.
If you are using a top end lube, how does Speed know that you are mixing it correctly? If there is an engine failure, how does Speed determine if it's a customers fault, or a Speed engine problem? Seems like the Speed Key is a cluster fuck.
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The older Flex fuel Chebby trucks ran fine on E85. And they were obviously CARB certified.

This story seems a bit...

Sketchy.
 
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rivermobster said:
So if all this is true, and Race E85 contains lead, and Race E85 is specified in the owners manual...

The Speed Key is Never gonna pass CARB!

www.yellowbullet.com

race e85 same as pump e85

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Theres many different "race" E85 fuels on the market. Some are unleaded, some are leaded.

VP for instance, has X85 (unleaded) and X85L (leaded) versions of their E85 "race" gas.

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X85 - Drag/Circle Track/Road+Rally/Off-Road-Rally | VP Racing Fuels

VP X85 fuel is formulated for drag racing, circle track, road racing & rally, and off-road/rally applications. Always consistent quality with 85% ethanol.
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Bigbore500r said:
Theres many different "race" E85 fuels on the market. Some are unleaded, some are leaded. Some are oxygenated to give you a slight power pump over regular fuel.

VP for instance, has X85 (unleaded) and X85L (leaded) versions of their E85 "race" gas.

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X85 - Drag/Circle Track/Road+Rally/Off-Road-Rally | VP Racing Fuels

VP X85 fuel is formulated for drag racing, circle track, road racing & rally, and off-road/rally applications. Always consistent quality with 85% ethanol.
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And how much is that per gallon??

Nevermind...

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rivrrts429 said:
The pump is very inconsistent true octane. Like blow your mind inconsistent or at least it was. So much so that my friends that ran/run it only purchase by the drum.
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Does the Speed car have a flex fuel sensor to adjust for % of ethanol in the mix? Hopefully!
 
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Bigbore500r said:
Does the Speed car have a flex fuel sensor to adjust for % of ethanol in the mix? Hopefully!
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I have no idea but I wouldn’t be mixing fuels if it’s my car. In a passenger vehicle that’s nice to have but in an off-road or race car I’d have no desire to waste E85 diluting it down.
 
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rivrrts429 said:
I have no idea but I wouldn’t be mixing fuels if it’s my car. In a passenger vehicle that’s nice to have but in an off-road or race car I’d have no desire to waste E85 diluting it down.
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It just gives you the ability to run Pump E85, and scale the tune for variations. If your running a car hard on Pump E85, your testing it first for ethanol content anyways
 
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Englewood said:
The engines cant hold the limited power they have now, 300HP will be a shit show.
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Thats not true, engine failures so far have not been HP related...
Bigbore500r said:
Marginal radiator cooling + 300hp is gonna be no bueno for sure, they gotta get that issue fixed.
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There's no issues with cooling without a windshield.
its only when a windshield is on.
 
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Bigbore500r said:
It just gives you the ability to run Pump E85, and scale the tune for variations. If your running a car hard on Pump E85, your testing it first for ethanol content anyways
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I’m sure it has the ability to account for ethanol content. I was just saying that I’m picking one fuel or the other and that’s what I’m running.
 
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