Speed UTV take 3

[82daytona]

We all know that the New Maverick R is out for sale and we can guess they have more cars sold - out in the wild than SPEED - walk into any dealer and drive out with NEW a Mav R ….

yet … No recalls, NO stop rides, NO over heating issues, No Brake issues Or Blown trannies on Brand new transmission etc

Yes …. Im sure there are a few issues here and there on the New Mav R


but…
over heating, Braking, turbo cracking and now motor

I had an access panel fly off and supposedly my lower arms are going to break off. But “ignorance is bliss”

 

[daytona man]

shouldnt a car not have

cooling issue
turbo issues
motor issues
drive line issues

(this is just daves car)

after 500 miles?

But Dave will say he's happy with it because there is no stop ride's on it ! But he can't ride it because it don't run !

 

[NIKAL]

We all know that the New Maverick R is out for sale and we can guess they have more cars sold - out in the wild than SPEED - walk into any dealer and drive out with NEW a Mav R ….

yet … No recalls, NO stop rides, NO over heating issues, No Brake issues Or Blown trannies on Brand new transmission etc

Yes …. Im sure there are a few issues here and there on the New Mav R


but…
over heating, Braking, turbo cracking and now motor

No arguments the Rotax power plateform is the best in the industry. BRP was very smart in buying Rotax in 1970, as it was already a proven & reliable engine platform. I don’t know much of Rotax’s history, but I’d bet you they had engine issues when they first started in 1920.

Also being that Can Am is established and has cars to market allows them the time and ability to spend as long as they want to develop an item or complete vehicle before releasing it. The Can Am engineers at the Sand Show said they were developing the new DCT for atleast 7-8 years, and until only a few years ago did they assign and car production program for it to go into. They have more time developing they transmission in the Mav R then Speed has been a company.

Right now Speed does not have that opportunity or luxury to do that. But once they have a car to market that has the bugs worked out of it, I’m sure they will be developing the next great thing and who knows they could be doing something now. And we might see the next great thing in 2028?

Remember the Polaris & Can Am, even when a brand new car comes out, it shares allot with previous models or generations of like vehicles. Every supplier, tooling and facility, including labor is established. That’s a monumental advantage compared to a new company that had to knock on doors to find a supplier or buy a building or make a tool to make a part. Also good or bad, but Speed unlike the others have chosen to do allot more in-house then depend on outside suppliers to sell them off the shelve parts.

Speed teamed up with Hisun to lesson that curve, but as we know this has been a huge task for Hisun to take on too. It will be a few years before we can look back and see if Hisun was the right partner or not? And who knows maybe for some parts they are. Maybe in years to come other parts get moved from Hisun or whatever supplier is used to another manufacturer or supplier. Please note Hisun only does part of the Speed build. There are dozens & dozens of outside manufacturers involved in Speed. Both the trans & turbos are manufactured from other manufacturers.

But you have to start somewhere. I wrote up a great history & timeline of Polaris & Arctic Cat on RDC and it’s incredible the trial & challenges those two company’s went through to get to today.

So far Speeds challenges look to be more caused by suppliers not following spec vs a Speed design issue.

 

[NIKAL]

Last night at a little New Years Eve party, a good friend of mine, his nephew got his dream job working for Polaris about 3-4 years ago. (I’m not exactly sure what he does, but I know they live in Nevada and he travels allot for Polaris) But the nephew had told his Uncle that Polaris will build & crush more cars in development then Speed has even built & delivered to customers.

He saying that during development they can build close to a hundred actual cars to drive, cut up, and do different tasks with. Most are not complete cars, some never leave the R&D center. Then he said another hundred cars could go down an assembly line before the first planned production vin assigned car will ever be built & shipped. Some these cars are then used for build inspection. Making sure that final Production parts meet spec. Training factory line workers etc.. Some are then used as demo or marketing cars. Some are given to employees to drive and use. Some end up at race teams, or sent to aftermarket companies so they can build their accessories for it. And some end up being crushed as they don’t have VINs assigned and can’t be sold.

I’m guessing every manufacturer does, this and has the time to do this as they are established. He also was saying that Polaris will buy a competors vehicle and goes through them.

 

[RiverDave]

I think the part that you might be missing is that Polaris and Cam Am yes of course have issues but they produce and sell on a massive scale. So say they sell 20,000 cars worldwide a year and have 1,000 cars with major issues such as overheating with a windshield, turbo failures, axle issues, blown head gasket etc. all out of the box within a few hundred miles that’s 5% of the cars.

Now Speed with 200 cars with say 50 of them with said issues thats 25%. Much higher failure rate.

You’re not comparing apples to apples.

The interesting part is that everyone who has a speed car with these issues still hypes them up. The car can have a bad ass suspension. But if you’re blowing turbos, overheating, blowing head gaskets, motors etc within a few hundred miles in the back of your mind you have to be saying WTF. Even if you won’t publicly. I know I would. The fact that so many are not I find very interesting. I guess I would have higher expectations. Especially with all the promises of how much better they are than anything on the market. That statement it kind of a joke if you consider all factors.

The turbo was a recall.. I don’t see how that is considered a problem?

They are the new kids on the block and everyone expects some growing pains but I can say I’m still super stoked with the car.. I gotta figure out this windshield thing though because that’s not an option for me.. I think I’m gonna put a front radiator in it and call it a day.

 

[RiverDave]

Its all about protecting the resale value at this point....lol

I have been very transparent about my car.. it hasn’t had that many problems

 

[RiverDave]

We all know that the New Maverick R is out for sale and we can guess they have more cars sold - out in the wild than SPEED - walk into any dealer and drive out with NEW a Mav R ….

yet … No recalls, NO stop rides, NO over heating issues, No Brake issues Or Blown trannies on Brand new transmission etc

Yes …. Im sure there are a few issues here and there on the New Mav R


but…
over heating, Braking, turbo cracking and now motor

Uuhhhh.. you sure about that? Because the two guys I know, one had a rock break a wheel from that funky suspension deal (back wheel). Both of them the plastics are falling off and one is in the shop right now..

The beginning of those videos is one guy with a mav r it starts with the guy saying his is in the shop..

I think speed is just getting the spotlight

 

[RiverDave]

All of them have issues.. we broke a speed we broke a few Polaris’s.. shit happens. lol. As long as we are having fun we can fix the shit and do it again later.

 

[NicPaus]

Buddy just went by in the new Maverick R. Having a few issues already.

 

[rivermobster]

The two Speed car owners I work with aren't happy and one has sold his car. I’ve been around both cars and rode in the one that sold. They acted exactly how @SJP stated earlier, publicly (social media) they’d say how bad ass they were but talk to them in person one on one and they're super disappointed in the overall product based on the hype & expectations set by Speed over the years of development and production delays. Looks, fit and finish, and suspension they’re bad ass cars. To state all owners are happy is hilarious and delirious.

I can tell you my buddy waiting on his is less than pleased. He's hoping the bugs are worked out, and he's not dead when it finally shows up.

Not joking at all.

 

[DILLIGAF]

I have been very transparent about my car.. it hasn’t had that many problems

Isnt your car broke and not running? What is to be happy about. Lol.

Like I said…..

 

[EarpRider]

A good friend of mine sold his Speed deposit, as he was tired of waiting and decided to switch to a 2 seat vehicle. He picked up a new Pro R two weeks ago. Hes been very excited and happy, until this weekend. First real weekend trip and something in the clutch is clunking and knocking. He’s called Coyne to see if he can get it in and he was told he can drop it off, and they will try to get to it later in the week. Coyne said they got allot of drop offs so far this weekend

So here is a guy who had a Speed on order, got tired of the wait, bought a Pro R and his first trip the clutch has an issue and his majorly bummed out.

I guess this proves there are happy and then unhappy people with brand new Polaris’s too!

BTW big props to Coyne as my friend bought his car from a dealer in AZ and Coyne is happy to help and fix his car and not give him crap he bought it somewhere else.

Coyne is a dealer, why would they care where you bought your car?
I bought my 4 seat Can Am from them, but I've taken it to Anderson Powersports in Havasu for warranty work, they couldn't careless who I bought it from.

 

[sandshark1]

Stock turbo.. I think I blew a head gasket but not sure.. shit happens. I still love the car but I’m not basking in glory anymore.. lol. Soon though!

Well that sucks! How many miles did you get to bask in glory?

Saw several Speed UTVs running around Glamis last week. The dune conditions were horrible and put any UTV to the test.

 

[sandshark1]

While I really like the Speed car platform - I hope it is perfected and becomes a main contender to the top 2 cars Rzr and Can am…

I wanted to point out that can am has NOT had any stop rides or major issues- 1 recall, dealing w/ excessive grease in the rack & pinion in early 2017

yes they do have weak points and the aftermarket has taken care of Those issues
after googling …

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Top 2 links are for sales about door latches and rear radiuses rods and double shear items almost identical LINKS and both happen to sell items for said items for a total of 6 issues

NO STOP RIDES for Can am after 2018 and the 2017 was due to, get this…… to much Grease in the rack and pinion - see posted recall notice
NO FIRES, no wait for months to fix clutches etc

I hope SPEED can get their cars up and going and THEY Become Reliable …. as I’m due for a new Car, eventually - My 2018 can am has 6400 miles on it…. And counting! 122 miles on this past Saturday!

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Can Am rarely has recalls. I will say the first two years of the X3 the power steering was horrible. They improved it when they release the smart-lock front diffs.

I drove a Maverick R last week in Glamis. The steering is 1000x better and there is absolutely no steering feedback in wheel. With the power steering set at max it is very numb feeling. The motor has gobs of power and funky suspension flat out works. Transmission was pretty darn sweet too. It is a very planted car.

 

[rivermobster]

Isnt your car broke and not running? What is to be happy about. Lol.

Like I said…..

Dave's never ending optimism is the reason This place is still here.

You have to give him credit for that.

 

[Singleton]

I have been very transparent about my car.. it hasn’t had that many problems

Depends on what you call a problem.

Overheat issue when running manufactures windshield - I call that a problem
Turbo not built to specs - I call that a problem
Blown head gasket due to TBD - I call that a problem

IMO, the car was not ready, but the over-promising, under delivering on release dates forced cars to be released, prior to true line built units being tested. 100% of the parts being built out of spec are on Speed and maybe Hisun. But you have to ask why are these out of spec issues still occurring? Someone is trying to cut corners / costs for a reason and none of us keyboard warriors will ever know that answer.

 

[Joker]

Isnt your car broke and not running? What is to be happy about. Lol.

Like I said…..

His most reliable vehicle before this was a Ford Pinto. We all have different standards

 

[DILLIGAF]

Dave's never ending optimism is the reason This place is still here.

You have to give him credit for that.

Blind optimism can really f ya

I really hope it works out for everybody but lets drop the smoke up the ass shiznit.

 

[rivermobster]

Blind optimism can really f ya

You ain't wrong!

 

[DILLIGAF]

His most reliable vehicle before this was a Ford Pinto. We all have different standards

My buddy had a pinto growing up. It ran good and looked good…well we just didnt pay attention to the bullet holes

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Dave's never ending optimism is the reason This place is still here.

You have to give him credit for that.

Ah , optimism is a virtuous attribute to have …

 

[rivrrts429]

The turbo was a recall.. I don’t see how that is considered a problem?

They are the new kids on the block and everyone expects some growing pains but I can say I’m still super stoked with the car.. I gotta figure out this windshield thing though because that’s not an option for me.. I think I’m gonna put a front radiator in it and call it a day.

For what it’s worth I don’t think I could run a windshield and window nets on my Polaris race car without it over heating. The rear radiator doesn’t appreciate it and it’s mounted way up higher in cleaner air than the Speed car radiator.

With the windshield It’s creates a vortex similar to the aluminum can in the bed of your truck floating around in your rear view mirror driving down the freeway, minimal air flow.

The rear radiator is more racing inspired. You roll the car or nerf someone and it’s not ending your race. It also keeps the weight closer to the center of the car. The Speed car is a bit misunderstood in the fact it’s never going to be targeted at the family weekend desert car and the Wifey loves that it has a charging port for her iPhone next to the cup holder that fits her latest Stanley cup lol

The design comes more from a racing pedigree.

I don’t care for a windshield very much. Riding in a group it gets caked with dirt. You can try coating the windshield in a heavy dose of Rain-X but results are minimal to keep the dust from accumulating.

But, I get the desire to not wear helmets either and that’s where the windshield can be appealing.

 

[PlanB]

I use spray wax on the windshield on my Can Am and it does a great job at shedding dust. I keep a small duster in the glovebox to wipe it down once in a while. I would not own another SxS without one, especially in a place like Havasu where we are driving around the streets all the time. Getting blasted by wind gets old after a while.

 

[NIKAL]

Coyne is a dealer, why would they care where you bought your car?
I bought my 4 seat Can Am from them, but I've taken it to Anderson Powersports in Havasu for warranty work, they couldn't care less who I bought it from.

You are correct, but some dealers will treat customers differently when they did not purchase from them. He just said they were very accommodating.

 

[rivrrts429]

You are correct, but some dealers will treat customers differently when they did not purchase from them. He just said they were very accommodating.

RV dealerships are notorious for this. If they’re at full capacity they’re going to prioritize those that purchase within house.

I don’t blame them. That’s running an efficient business model. Reward those that rewarded you.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Blind optimism can really f ya

I really hope it works out for everybody but lets drop the smoke up the ass shiznit.

It does seem that the greatest cheerleaders are those who have build spots or actual cars for sale

 

[rivermobster]

It does seem that the greatest cheerleaders are those who have build spots or actual cars for sale

Seriously? I really hadn't noticed!

 

[NIKAL]

Serious question for those who don’t like the Speed UTV. Why do you care enough to constantly post about it? I totally get allot of people are not going to like it, or prefer another brand or other features. But why the constant negativity or posts about a car you clearly don’t like and have no intentions to ever buy?

 

[JDKRXW]

100% of the parts being built out of spec are on Speed and maybe Hisun.

Maybe they're not out of spec because the correct spec hasn't been discovered through thorough testing yet.
I'm still amazed Speed has come to market so quick with a complete machine.
RG and team definitely know chassis and suspensions and could probably pull this off pretty easily.
Clean sheet engines and transmissions? ... in 4 years, being released to retail customers? These have sunk w.a.y. bigger enterprises than Speed.

 

[NIKAL]

Maybe they're not out of spec because the correct spec hasn't been discovered through thorough testing yet.
I'm still amazed Speed has come to market so quick with a complete machine.
RG and team definitely know chassis and suspensions and could probably pull this off pretty easily.
Clean sheet engines and transmissions? ... in 4 years, being released to retail customers? These have sunk w.a.y. bigger enterprises than Speed.

Both the transmission case and the turbo waste gate hinge pin were not built to Speeds design spec. This is why Hisun, not Speed had to absorb the cost of the transmission case, tooling and replacements. They did not build the mass production casting molds to the right specs in that one area of the case.

Same deal with the turbo. The supplier Speed contracted to build the turbos, is having to cover the costs of all the new turbos, not Speed.

After the second batch of cars was delivered l, there was a small batch of fuel pressure regulators that were deemed to be possibly defective as one was found leaking, so the first 50 or so cars delivered got a replacement regulator, and again that was the fault of the supplier, as it was found to be just a bad batch of parts. I was told part of Speeds corrective action requested a better quality diaphragm was used to ensure it does not happen again.

 

[Loo Dog]

Both the transmission case and the turbo waste gate hinge pin were not built to Speeds design spec. This is why Hisun, not Speed had to absorb the cost of the transmission case, tooling and replacements. They did not build the mass production casting molds to the right specs in that one area of the case.

Same deal with the turbo. The supplier Speed contracted to build the turbos, is having to cover the costs of all the new turbos, not Speed.

After the second batch of cars was delivered l, there was a small batch of fuel pressure regulators that were deemed to be possibly defective as one was found leaking, so the first 50 or so cars delivered got a replacement regulator, and again that was the fault of the supplier, as it was found to be just a bad batch of parts. I was told part of Speeds corrective action requested a better quality diaphragm was used to ensure it does not happen again.

So this is like an RV warranty? Individual suppliers are on the hook? Speed warranties their product, so I fail to see how anyone outside SoCal or Havasu would feel good about themselves right now, unless you run a boating forum or know a fella.

 

[NIKAL]

So this is like an RV warranty? Individual suppliers are on the hook? Speed warranties their product, so I fail to see how anyone outside SoCal or Havasu would feel good about themselves right now, unless you run a boating forum or know a fella.

I’m not sure I’m following you? RV warranty? Outside Cali or Havasu?

What Speed & its suppliers are doing is the same every company that uses outside suppliers or manufacture to build a part for them. When Polaris was having primary clutch issues on the first year XP Pro? It was found that Team Industries was producing bad pressure castings for the clutch. Team had to fix the issue and supply replacement parts to fix every bad clutch they manufactured.

When the Ford Bronco was dropping valves, because the top of the stem was breaking off. The supplier Ford was using was on the hook for the failure, and cost associated with the failures. Same with the Bronco hard top issues.

The company I work for made a part for Bosch. After a few years in the field they found a part was failing due to a quality issue, which was linked back to us and another supplier. It costs us and the other supplier over a million dollars to fix and cover all costs Bosch incurred.

This has nothing to do with the end consumers warranty they get with the item. In most cases these are what create recalls and a recall has nothing to do with warranties.

 

[Loo Dog]

I get it, but it’s kind of pointless to dissect every issue and who’s to blame. At the end of the day, the consumer who bought a product with a warranty doesn’t care, because they don’t know.

 

[BHC Vic]

Serious question for those who don’t like the Speed UTV. Why do you care enough to constantly post about it? I totally get allot of people are not going to like it, or prefer another brand or other features. But why the constant negativity or posts about a car you clearly don’t like and have no intentions to ever buy?

That’s literally what this place is for. What you and others don’t understand about that is mind boggling to me. I might not ever own a cig or a DCB but I love to read threads about them and comment if I feel like it. Literally what this place is for. Something gets posted, people post both facts and opinions. Literally how this site keeps going. If no one posts the site doesn’t exist. How people don’t understand how this works is beyond me. How you and others think something should only get positive comments even when it’s shitting the bed I don’t get that. That’s fairytale land, not reality.

 

[RVR SWPR]

That’s literally what this place is for. What you and others don’t understand about that is mind boggling to me. I might not ever own a cig or a DCB but I love to read threads about them and comment if I feel like it. Literally what this place is for. Something gets posted, people post both facts and opinions. Literally how this site keeps going. If no one posts the site doesn’t exist. How people don’t understand how this works is beyond me. How you and others think something should only get positive comments even when it’s shitting the bed I don’t get that. That’s fairytale land, not reality.

How true, go down to PG and post opinion, if it goes against the 2 or 3 that run that mess in P&G buckle up.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Here is my .02

The speed car on paper is a great design. Even in the flesh the car works from a design standpoint. My issue is with the people running the company.

RG is a race car driver (and a very successful one) he is a chassis builder and just like herbst, Childress, Baldwin, and plenty more he can build a one off chassis and win races.

My issue with Robby is he needs to stick to the R and D and continue development for gen 2 and more. They need someone who understand mass manufacturing and supply chains to run the company not a race car driver. This was supposed to be Todd

TR is a small business owner who capitalized on a good pay day. He made accessories for the rhino (15 years ago) and now runs hawk performance.

My issue with Todd is he made a handful of BS parts and likely had some connections to China for mfg to put RG dreams together to make a car that can compete price wise with the market. As USA RGM built car was never going to be 40k or so.

TR was supposed to be the dealer network guy. Getting dealers to buy in and perform deliveries, service, repair, sales, ect. A year into deliveries not one dealer is setup yet. (The handful that have cars, bought into them like everyone else did, not a true dealer setup)

The issues I am seeing now is they have no workforce to tackle a big problem (turbo swaps) they have hundred of cars waiting for this to happen including several members here. Reading from all the issues they have no quality control at the assembly level. The chassis and welds look great but putting all the pieces together they loose the control there. Some things I have seen have my scratching my head. Hose clamps why they have worm style all over the car vs spring and t clamps which have better results is beyond me. Stickers peeling. Leaks left and right. Loose bolts all over the car ect. To me that shows that speed doesn’t have any oversight and control over those steps. In a nutshell Speed is run like a garage shop vs a real full blown auto mfg. They can remain small and not be a garage shop. So for me I do thousands of miles a year. I have finished every one of those miles. The speed is too unreliable at this point for me to buy in (this is largely due to the garage shop mentality) once they fix the leadership and staffing issues the results will be prove themselves.

 

[rivermobster]

That’s literally what this place is for. What you and others don’t understand about that is mind boggling to me. I might not ever own a cig or a DCB but I love to read threads about them and comment if I feel like it. Literally what this place is for. Something gets posted, people post both facts and opinions. Literally how this site keeps going. If no one posts the site doesn’t exist. How people don’t understand how this works is beyond me. How you and others think something should only get positive comments even when it’s shitting the bed I don’t get that. That’s fairytale land, not reality.

Well said.

 

[Bigbore500r]

@RiverDave - what do you think happened with the head gasket, was there any overheating episodes from the windshield deal? I saw you comment something to the effect a few pages back.

 

[Badchoices03]

I saw another Speed car at Ocotillo on New Year eve night at the Blowsand hill…it was parked and people were drooling all over it, it did look pretty bad ass…at one point it lined up to go up the hill and a bone stock looking Pro R pulled up behind it…Speed car looked horrible going up, thru the whoops was bouncing everywhere and struggling to make power…the Pro R left a few seconds behind it and easily went around about half way up the hill…lots of laughing and shit talking about the Speed after that..and most the drooling stopped..lol

 

[NIKAL]

That’s literally what this place is for. What you and others don’t understand about that is mind boggling to me. I might not ever own a cig or a DCB but I love to read threads about them and comment if I feel like it. Literally what this place is for. Something gets posted, people post both facts and opinions. Literally how this site keeps going. If no one posts the site doesn’t exist. How people don’t understand how this works is beyond me. How you and others think something should only get positive comments even when it’s shitting the bed I don’t get that. That’s fairytale land, not reality.

I totally get that and everyone’s comments are welcome. But there’s the same few dozen that post the same comment about how they don’t like the car or feel they need to point out each problem. These are the same that a year or two ago said this was a scam. No one would get a car. Maybe that group of people feel they are not being heard, and feel they have to continue posting everything negative until everyone agrees with them?

I just find it strange how many with no interest or desire to own a Speed, are so very vocal about it, over & over & over again. You don’t see this with other things.

I don’t care for the Honda Talon. There are lots of things that I don’t care for on it, and if there was a thread about it, I might share some of my thoughts if it was of value to the discussion. But I would not repete my opinions over & over for 3-4 years. I get for some the Honda Talon is the perfect machine and that’s awesome for them. I’m not going to put them down or try to bash the product they like. What does that do? It accomplishes nothing good.

I wonder how many remember the phrase; If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

 

[BHC Vic]

I totally get that and everyone’s comments are welcome. But there’s the same few dozen that post the same comment about how they don’t like the car or feel they need to point out each problem. These are the same that a year or two ago said this was a scam. No one would get a car. Maybe that group of people feel they are not being heard, and feel they have to continue posting everything negative until everyone agrees with them?

I just find it strange how many with no interest or desire to own a Speed, are so very vocal about it, over & over & over again. You don’t see this with other things.

I don’t care for the Honda Talon. There are lots of things that I don’t care for on it, and if there was a thread about it, I might share some of my thoughts if it was of value to the discussion. But I would not repete my opinions over & over for 3-4 years. I get for some the Honda Talon is the perfect machine and that’s awesome for them. I’m not going to put them down or try to bash the product they like. What does that do? It accomplishes nothing good.

I wonder how many remember the phrase; If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

I get what you’re saying there. Beating a dead horse is something a couple are really good at here. And some people love to argue just to argue. I try to take a break when I catch myself doing that because I’m guilty of it for sure especially with certain people.

 

[NIKAL]

Here is my .02

The speed car on paper is a great design. Even in the flesh the car works from a design standpoint. My issue is with the people running the company.

RG is a race car driver (and a very successful one) he is a chassis builder and just like herbst, Childress, Baldwin, and plenty more he can build a one off chassis and win races.

My issue with Robby is he needs to stick to the R and D and continue development for gen 2 and more. They need someone who understand mass manufacturing and supply chains to run the company not a race car driver. This was supposed to be Todd

TR is a small business owner who capitalized on a good pay day. He made accessories for the rhino (15 years ago) and now runs hawk performance.

My issue with Todd is he made a handful of BS parts and likely had some connections to China for mfg to put RG dreams together to make a car that can compete price wise with the market. As USA RGM built car was never going to be 40k or so.

TR was supposed to be the dealer network guy. Getting dealers to buy in and perform deliveries, service, repair, sales, ect. A year into deliveries not one dealer is setup yet. (The handful that have cars, bought into them like everyone else did, not a true dealer setup)

The issues I am seeing now is they have no workforce to tackle a big problem (turbo swaps) they have hundred of cars waiting for this to happen including several members here. Reading from all the issues they have no quality control at the assembly level. The chassis and welds look great but putting all the pieces together they loose the control there. Some things I have seen have my scratching my head. Hose clamps why they have worm style all over the car vs spring and t clamps which have better results is beyond me. Stickers peeling. Leaks left and right. Loose bolts all over the car ect. To me that shows that speed doesn’t have any oversight and control over those steps. In a nutshell Speed is run like a garage shop vs a real full blown auto mfg. They can remain small and not be a garage shop. So for me I do thousands of miles a year. I have finished every one of those miles. The speed is too unreliable at this point for me to buy in (this is largely due to the garage shop mentality) once they fix the leadership and staffing issues the results will be prove themselves.

I agree with you on allot of things you said. I honestly thought by now we would have heard about Speed hiring (poaching) some people from other Powersports manufactures to help build up & run the administration & operations side of things.

In reality, Robbys doing an amazing job with all the parts he’s running. He’s in Asia as we speak going over more things. I know Speed has a team of 25-30 employees in Asia, that are Speed employees , not Hisun or some other company. But Robby feels the end result rest on his shoulders to make everything right. That’s allot of pressure to handle. I feel eventually they will get to a point and Speed will get more people to help manage and run the day to day operations, as I know Robbys going to want to work on the next best thing, and Todd’s not going to want to live his life working 80 hours a week.

 

[pixrthis]

I totally get that and everyone’s comments are welcome. But there’s the same few dozen that post the same comment about how they don’t like the car or feel they need to point out each problem. These are the same that a year or two ago said this was a scam. No one would get a car. Maybe that group of people feel they are not being heard, and feel they have to continue posting everything negative until everyone agrees with them?

I just find it strange how many with no interest or desire to own a Speed, are so very vocal about it, over & over & over again. You don’t see this with other things.

I don’t care for the Honda Talon. There are lots of things that I don’t care for on it, and if there was a thread about it, I might share some of my thoughts if it was of value to the discussion. But I would not repete my opinions over & over for 3-4 years. I get for some the Honda Talon is the perfect machine and that’s awesome for them. I’m not going to put them down or try to bash the product they like. What does that do? It accomplishes nothing good.

I wonder how many remember the phrase; If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

Honda Talon

Does anybody on RDP have one? We picked up a 1000R for my wife and I don’t expect her to whomp it that hard. Besides seatbelts what should I plan on upgrading or adding?

www.riverdavesplace.com

Bash away

It’s not had one thing wrong with it in 3 years, it could be built to win races if that’s what someone chooses to do, and nobody ever claimed that it was better than every other SXS by pointing out the faults in the others.

I think most of the negativity that seems to bother you on was brought on by RG bashing other brands, which many people own and are proud of, to make his car look better. A better sales tactic would have been to show his cars strengths without showing other cars faults. When he bashed the cage on the new Can Am he came across as a dick. I don’t personally know him but that’s how he came across. I respect him for making a career racing and launching this endeavor, all very impressive. I still think there will be a shop or two that take Speed cars to another level, hopefully they’re able to do so without being sued.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I think another thing too that Speed does is shutting down any feedback on the cars. I could be totally wrong but with Chad you tube page. And pulling the speed out of the shootout was really weird and speed seemed to be the culprit of that.

There have been others too

 

[rivermobster]

I totally get that and everyone’s comments are welcome. But there’s the same few dozen that post the same comment about how they don’t like the car or feel they need to point out each problem. These are the same that a year or two ago said this was a scam. No one would get a car. Maybe that group of people feel they are not being heard, and feel they have to continue posting everything negative until everyone agrees with them?

I just find it strange how many with no interest or desire to own a Speed, are so very vocal about it, over & over & over again. You don’t see this with other things.

I don’t care for the Honda Talon. There are lots of things that I don’t care for on it, and if there was a thread about it, I might share some of my thoughts if it was of value to the discussion. But I would not repete my opinions over & over for 3-4 years. I get for some the Honda Talon is the perfect machine and that’s awesome for them. I’m not going to put them down or try to bash the product they like. What does that do? It accomplishes nothing good.

I wonder how many remember the phrase; If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

So are Everyone's comments welcome?

Or only nice comments welcome?

You're totally contradicting yourself!



I have no problem admitting, in the beginning, this whole thing smelled like a paramid scheme. Years and years waiting for something, that's not being delivered? Shit, who wouldn't think that!

But now there IS an actual product. I'm happy folks are being made whole.

But, is the product what it was promised to be? Sadly no. But you'd be nut to think ANY first version of ANY product, would be delivered without bugs or defects. It happens. No surprise there at all.

And just like some people are Constantly ragging on the product, some people are singing it's praises.

Two sides to Every story, right??

Peace.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

So are Everyone's comments welcome?

Or only nice comments welcome?

You're totally contradicting yourself!



I have no problem admitting, in the beginning, this whole thing smelled like a paramid scheme. Years and years waiting for something, that's not being delivered? Shit, who wouldn't think that!

But now there IS an actual product. I'm happy folks are being made whole.

But, is the product what it was promised to be? Sadly no. But you'd be nut to think ANY first version of ANY product, would be delivered without bugs or defects. It happens. No surprise there at all.

And just like some people are Constantly ragging on the product, some people are singing it's praises.

Two sides to Every story, right??

Peace.

Hater...

 

[Singleton]

I totally get that and everyone’s comments are welcome. But there’s the same few dozen that post the same comment about how they don’t like the car or feel they need to point out each problem. These are the same that a year or two ago said this was a scam. No one would get a car. Maybe that group of people feel they are not being heard, and feel they have to continue posting everything negative until everyone agrees with them?

I just find it strange how many with no interest or desire to own a Speed, are so very vocal about it, over & over & over again. You don’t see this with other things.

I don’t care for the Honda Talon. There are lots of things that I don’t care for on it, and if there was a thread about it, I might share some of my thoughts if it was of value to the discussion. But I would not repete my opinions over & over for 3-4 years. I get for some the Honda Talon is the perfect machine and that’s awesome for them. I’m not going to put them down or try to bash the product they like. What does that do? It accomplishes nothing good.

I wonder how many remember the phrase; If you have nothing nice to say, say nothing at all.

I am not sure everyone is bashing, but calling BS on statements made. That said, you have some very experienced professionals with complex manufacturing knowledge on this site that have called BS on the over-promising and under-delivering that has occurred. Then you have Speed leadership, who consistently bash all competitors and are very aggressive towards those folks (even deposit holders) who speak negatively about speed.

I work in sales. I win when I sell the value of what I sell vs doing comparisons between my product and our competitors. In fact, I only reference competitors when customers ask questions (usually when they already own the competitor solution) and I will summaries how that competitor solution works, then state how my solution works and highlight the value without bashing the competitor. The minute you start bashing your competitor, your win percentage goes down.

End of day, the online persona of Speed leadership, the multiple delivery delays and now delivered product issues, have turned a ton of potential buyers away (and has reduced potential resale value). And those that say, ‘if you are not a deposit holder or buyer, you should keep your thoughts to yourself‘ are only saying that because deep down they know what they signed up to purchase and what they are receiving don’t align.

I think the speed car frame and suspension are years ahead of everyone else and feedback has proven that. The powertrain is what is causing Speed issues, and their manufacturing partner is known for having issues with that type of manufacturing.

 

[bentprops]

After you wait 4 years. Get a car with no brakes. Bad turbo. Overheating. Then blow a motor, no 4 wheel drive? And you’re out another season? Fuck that.

If it was Polaris people would be protesting outside the dealerships to lemon law them.

Hey but the suspension geometry is good.

Its only been 3 years

 

[hallett21]

So are Everyone's comments welcome?

Or only nice comments welcome?

You're totally contradicting yourself!



I have no problem admitting, in the beginning, this whole thing smelled like a paramid scheme. Years and years waiting for something, that's not being delivered? Shit, who wouldn't think that!

But now there IS an actual product. I'm happy folks are being made whole.

But, is the product what it was promised to be? Sadly no. But you'd be nut to think ANY first version of ANY product, would be delivered without bugs or defects. It happens. No surprise there at all.

And just like some people are Constantly ragging on the product, some people are singing it's praises.

Two sides to Every story, right??

Peace.

3 sides to every story…. His, hers and
the truth lol.

I’m not an owner of any SXS but when guys like @River Dave bought early slots I have to imagine they did so knowing there would be bugs to work out. Even with the bugs they are money ahead compared to a like for like product. Granted they need to accept the down time for repairs.

Now if you spent your last nickel to buy an early Speed slot, I feel for you but you should also do your due diligence on first production vehicles. They almost always have problems lol.

It’s seems like RG has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way lol. But to be honest I’ve never worried about what a toy/truck/boat/helicopter manufacturer CEO has said. I tend to just look at a product and decide if it works for me or not.

The Barron family damn near laughed my dad out of the building when our Vector was built. So much that they wouldn’t even rig the (outboard) motor. They sent it to a shop in Fresno. 30+ years later look at the trend lol.

Connor McGregor and Floyd Maywether have made 100s of millions off of being hated

 

[BHC Vic]

3 sides to every story…. His, hers and
the truth lol.

I’m not an owner of any SXS but when guys like @River Dave bought early slots I have to imagine they did so knowing there would be bugs to work out. Even with the bugs they are money ahead compared to a like for like product. Granted they need to accept the down time for repairs.

Now if you spent your last nickel to buy an early Speed slot, I feel for you but you should also do your due diligence on first production vehicles. They almost always have problems lol.

It’s seems like RG has rubbed a lot of people the wrong way lol. But to be honest I’ve never worried about what a toy/truck/boat/helicopter manufacturer CEO has said. I tend to just look at a product and decide if it works for me or not.

The Barron family damn near laughed my dad out of the building when our Vector was built. So much that they wouldn’t even rig the (outboard) motor. They sent it to a shop in Fresno. 30+ years later look at the trend lol.

Connor McGregor and Floyd Maywether have made 100s of millions off of being hated

I get what you’re saying and 100% believe the Barrón story but I also know people who will never ever buy or own a cobra because of Hernando. And he’s just the general manager or sales guy. Robby deleted me on Instagram and fb years ago for talking shit. I really don’t care and wouldn’t hold the grudge but I know some people who he deleted who will never own one and never say a good thing about him when they were on the fence before.