Speed UTV take 3

[RiverDave]

Rhinos were........ lol

Rhinos sounded better than rzr’s.. they sounded like bees..

I actually like the sound of the speed when it’s in it

 

[sandshark1]

Rhinos were........ lol

Take that back!!! LOL! My rhino was loud and obnoxious with the Trinity exhaust.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Take that back!!! LOL! My rhino was loud and obnoxious with the Trinity exhaust.

i had a sparks on mine and it was deafening

 

[RiverDave]

Had a muzzy on my teryx and it sounded beastly lol

 

[sandshark1]

Had a muzzy on my teryx and it sounded beastly lol

Those sounded like a mini V8. My friend had a big bore and Muzzy on his Teryx.

 

[Fishd00d]

Those sounded like a mini V8. My friend had a big bore and Muzzy on his Teryx.

Ya a buddy had a Teryx and it actually sounded mean!

 

[RiverDave]

Those sounded like a mini V8. My friend had a big bore and Muzzy on his Teryx.

I had some head work, cams and Racetec pistons in mine after the third or fourth rebuild. Lol

 

[JL95]

Ok speed cars are indeed at the old Mercedes dealer off the 91 just saw them on a wedge trailer

 

[RiverDave]

Well boys.. this is about as real of a review as your gonna get? There’s more out there.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Well boys.. this is about as real of a review as your gonna get? There’s more out there.




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Dave, did the overheating issue with the windshield and window nets ever get figured out?

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Well boys.. this is about as real of a review as your gonna get? There’s more out there.




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So two guys chose the newer car. I’m shocked I tell you shocked!

One looks to be a stock turbo s not the newest Polaris and it was a tough decision in his words.

The other chose the newer car over what looks like a older model can cam two seater and he chose a 4 seater to replace it?



Again I’m just shocked.

 

[rivrrts429]

So two guys chose the newer car. I’m shocked I tell you shocked!

One looks to be a stock turbo s not the newest Polaris and it was a tough decision in his words.

The other chose the newer car over what looks like a older model can cam two seater and he chose a 4 seater to replace it?



Again I’m just shocked.

For whatever it’s worth I would’ve done the same and our race Turbo S is built as far as it can probably go especially in suspension.

The way those cars walked away from us through the San Felipe whoops had us blown away if you’ve seen those whoops.

We were doing 60mph while Robby was doing 75mph. We also blew out all the bushings in the radius arms in that section. Something the Speed car doesn’t have to worry about.

I’m still going to build a race ProR at this point although my race partner wants to discuss further but don’t think he’s considering the Speed car either.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

For whatever it’s worth I would’ve done the same and our race Turbo S is built as far as it can probably go especially in suspension.

The way those cars walked away from us through the San Felipe whoops had us blown away if you’ve seen those whoops.

We were doing 60mph while Robby was doing 75mph. We also blew out all the bushings in the radius arms in that section. Something the Speed car doesn’t have to worry about.

I’m still going to build a race ProR at this point although my race partner wants to discuss further but don’t think he’s considering the Speed car either.

Only thing I’m sad about is how small that poor little turbo S looks next to the speed.

 

[JayBreww]

Well boys.. this is about as real of a review as your gonna get? There’s more out there.




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Dudes got a fifth boat coming and ain’t got room?
What about when he sells his DCB and keeps his Pontoon? Is the Pontoon now the Speed of boating?

 

[evantwheeler]

I’m still going to build a race ProR at this point although my race partner wants to discuss further but don’t think he’s considering the Speed car either.

Due to.....??? unproven drivetrain on the speed, concerns about parts availability, more sponsorship money/opportunities with the Polaris model? Genuinely curious, not stirring the pot or shit talking.

 

[NIKAL]

For whatever it’s worth I would’ve done the same and our race Turbo S is built as far as it can probably go especially in suspension.

The way those cars walked away from us through the San Felipe whoops had us blown away if you’ve seen those whoops.

We were doing 60mph while Robby was doing 75mph. We also blew out all the bushings in the radius arms in that section. Something the Speed car doesn’t have to worry about.

I’m still going to build a race ProR at this point although my race partner wants to discuss further but don’t think he’s considering the Speed car either.

And your race built Turbo S is based on a 4 seat, 117 inch wheelbase chassis. The fact that the Speed UTV Bandit 95 inch WB walked away from you guys in the SF whoops is more then impressive. Especially when you know the size and rhythm of those whoops, and understand that there is no substitute for WB. No matter what you do, a short WB is at a disadvantage to a car with a longer more stable WB.

 

[RiverDave]

So two guys chose the newer car. I’m shocked I tell you shocked!

One looks to be a stock turbo s not the newest Polaris and it was a tough decision in his words.

The other chose the newer car over what looks like a older model can cam two seater and he chose a 4 seater to replace it?



Again I’m just shocked.

For whatever it’s worth I would’ve done the same and our race Turbo S is built as far as it can probably go especially in suspension.

The way those cars walked away from us through the San Felipe whoops had us blown away if you’ve seen those whoops.

We were doing 60mph while Robby was doing 75mph. We also blew out all the bushings in the radius arms in that section. Something the Speed car doesn’t have to worry about.

I’m still going to build a race ProR at this point although my race partner wants to discuss further but don’t think he’s considering the Speed car either.

lol..

 

[Fishd00d]

And your race built Turbo S is based on a 4 seat, 117 inch wheelbase chassis. The fact that the Speed UTV Bandit 95 inch WB walked away from you guys in the SF whoops is more then impressive. Especially when you know the size and rhythm of those whoops, and understand that there is no substitute for WB. No matter what you do, a short WB is at a disadvantage to a car with a longer more stable WB.

It also depends 100% on shock setup......

 

[RiverDave]

It also depends 100% on shock setup......

Please Come to havasu.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Please Come to havasu.

He’d be there in no time if he lets his wife drive!!

 

[rivrrts429]

It also depends 100% on shock setup......

Our shocks have the best hands on them. Robby finished behind us and we finished just behind Max. I’d say that’s pretty damn good suspension lol

 

[NIKAL]

It also depends 100% on shock setup......

A course shock tune & proper geometry has allot to do with it. And I’m assuming @rivrrts429 cars suspension is properly valved & tuned? But if both cars are tuned properly, a short wheelbase car should not outperform a longer wheelbase car in the rough & whoops. This just tells me the Speed suspension geometry & stock Speed shocks can outperform a race built Polaris's geometry & Fox shocks tuned car, even when the Polaris has 22 inches of wheelbase on it.

Remember we are also talking stock mass production vs custom built & tuned.

@Fishd00d would anyone ever race a UTV with the stock production springs and shock valving? Speed did!

 

[rivrrts429]

Due to.....??? unproven drivetrain on the speed, concerns about parts availability, more sponsorship money/opportunities with the Polaris model? Genuinely curious, not stirring the pot or shit talking.

Overall Yes. We’ll wait a year or two. I don’t want to be their R&D department but I also wish them the best of luck. They really do have a good thing going if Robby can put the camera down and let someone else speak for Speed. Reminds me of a Trump press conference. Love the product but hate how it’s message is delivered.

Also the ProR is the next step in our teams progression. Time to jump into the 2000cc class and see how we progress year over year.

 

[Fishd00d]

A course shock tune & proper geometry has allot to do with it. And I’m assuming @rivrrts429 cars suspension is properly valved & tuned? But if both cars are tuned properly, a short wheelbase car should not outperform a longer wheelbase car in the rough & whoops. This just tells me the Speed suspension geometry & stock Speed shocks can outperform a race built Polaris's geometry & Fox shocks tuned car, even when the Polaris has 22 inches of wheelbase on it.

Remember we are also talking stock mass production vs custom built & tuned.

@Fishd00d would anyone ever race a UTV with the stock production springs and shock valving? Speed did!

You are leaving one major thing out. Robby Fucking Gordon was driving one of the cars in play.........lol

 

[sandshark1]

So two guys chose the newer car. I’m shocked I tell you shocked!

One looks to be a stock turbo s not the newest Polaris and it was a tough decision in his words.

The other chose the newer car over what looks like a older model can cam two seater and he chose a 4 seater to replace it?



Again I’m just shocked.

That is a Yamaha YXZ he dumped for a Speed UTV.

Those are really tough decisions. LOL!

 

[sandshark1]

A course shock tune & proper geometry has allot to do with it. And I’m assuming @rivrrts429 cars suspension is properly valved & tuned? But if both cars are tuned properly, a short wheelbase car should not outperform a longer wheelbase car in the rough & whoops. This just tells me the Speed suspension geometry & stock Speed shocks can outperform a race built Polaris's geometry & Fox shocks tuned car, even when the Polaris has 22 inches of wheelbase on it.

Remember we are also talking stock mass production vs custom built & tuned.

@Fishd00d would anyone ever race a UTV with the stock production springs and shock valving? Speed did!

Seems RG nailed the valving on the shocks.

 

[evantwheeler]

Seems RG nailed the valving on the shocks.

The speed mechanic told my boss (who has a couple hundred miles on his speed car now) that the shocks are essentially the same shocks that are on RG's unicorn TT. They're bad ass, and you can see it when they hit the big stuff.

 

[Albacore]

Seems RG nailed the valving on the valving

So last weekend in Glamis, I got a ride in the number 75 car with David. I was very impressed for how the suspension handled. I’m now thinking I should be asking my shock guy for a refund on all the money I spent with him on the car I have now. Nevertheless, looking forward to a Diablo in 2024 even more so then I was last week before the ride.
David explained a bunch of the technical info with letting the engine get warm and set up the dash on the glove compartment side so I could kind of watch everything. I was pretty impressed with the feel and fitment of that car as compared to the Can-Am. It just seems more like an Off-road car/truck versus a side-by-side .

I signed up for a test ride and drive on the new Can-Am while I was out there, was impressed. But I don’t think the suspension and the way the car handled was as good as the speed did. I did not get to drive the speed car my self where I drove the Can-Am for about 25 minutes myself, putting it through all of the different power settings, shocks settings and steering settings. The Can-Am had pretty good power, and that Transmission was shifting all the time to stay in the power band at least while I had it in automatic. I hope those transmissions last the long haul. I look forward to Speed getting all the bugs worked out and reliable. Time will tell.

 

[FasterBae]

Not a fan of the number plate on the speed car, nor the skinny wheels/tire combo

 

[sandshark1]

So last weekend in Glamis, I got a ride in the number 75 car with David. I was very impressed for how the suspension handled. I’m now thinking I should be asking my shock guy for a refund on all the money I spent with him on the car I have now. Nevertheless, looking forward to a Diablo in 2024 even more so then I was last week before the ride.
David explained a bunch of the technical info with letting the engine get warm and set up the dash on the glove compartment side so I could kind of watch everything. I was pretty impressed with the feel and fitment of that car as compared to the Can-Am. It just seems more like an Off-road car/truck versus a side-by-side .

I signed up for a test ride and drive on the new Can-Am while I was out there, was impressed. But I don’t think the suspension and the way the car handled was as good as the speed did. I did not get to drive the speed car my self where I drove the Can-Am for about 25 minutes myself, putting it through all of the different power settings, shocks settings and steering settings. The Can-Am had pretty good power, and that Transmission was shifting all the time to stay in the power band at least while I had it in automatic. I hope those transmissions last the long haul. I look forward to Speed getting all the bugs worked out and reliable. Time will tell.

Not all shock tuners are a like and some do a much better job. I had two different tuners work on my 2018 X3 shocks. The first guy did a pretty good job, but the second guy (Tom Morris) set up was leaps and bounds ahead. Well set up suspension makes the ride so much better.

I imagine the Speed UTV small bump/chatter bump compliance is really good and the desert is soaks up everything. In the dunes from what I have seen the rear shocks need to be stiffer for the g-outs, but that is the case with all UTVs in the dunes.

The new Can Am with the live valve will need some love from a shock tuner to get it better. I think the Can Am DCT will prove to be reliable over time.

 

[Albacore]

Not a fan of the number plate on the speed car, nor the skinny wheels/tire combo

It’s an air intake that is used as a number plate as a secondary purpose. Anybody can take the numbers off.

 

[DLC]

Polaris & Can am started out as a Snow Mobile manufacturers in Canada long before China / Vietnam became what they are today….

 

[DLC]

Speed needs to hurry up with the Speed key for the dune guys.

The Maverick R with a tune is stupid fast. EVO is working on tunes. Not sure what fuel they are running, but it walked away from the Shock therapy stock tune R.

Evolution Powersports on Instagram: "EVP Tuned Maverick R VS stock 🚌🚌🚌 #EVP #evopower #evopowersports 🚁: @shocktherapyusa"

2,958 likes, 58 comments - evo_powersports on October 30, 2023: "EVP Tuned Maverick R VS stock 🚌🚌🚌 #EVP #evopower #evopowersports 🚁: @shocktherapyusa".

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That wasn’t a walk away …. More like a ran away!

 

[DLC]

Our shocks have the best hands on them. Robby finished behind us and we finished just behind Max. I’d say that’s pretty damn good suspension lol

who did your shock work?

 

[Hammer]

@River Dave - Can you fit in the back seat? How much room is for an adult?

 

[rivrrts429]

who did your shock work?

Over the years just about everyone but the last year its been ourselves. Pretty much know the equations with valving and spring rates with how many revisions they’ve been throughout the years.

 

[JayBreww]

@River Dave - Can you fit in the back seat? How much room is for an adult?

He’s stated multiple times as soon as he got it it was supposed to have a rear bench seat made for it. Wonder if that’s still the plan as he’s had it for over a month now.

 

[Hammer]

He’s stated multiple times as soon as he got it it was supposed to have a rear bench seat made for it. Wonder if that’s still the plan as he’s had it for over a month now.

I know Daves a busy guy. I was comparing the turbo R wheel base to the Speed. Looks like the Speed is 119" to 125". I'm wondering where they shaved the 6".

You gotta have room for your balls when you are hitting whoops at 65MPH in that thing!

 

[RiverDave]

@River Dave - Can you fit in the back seat? How much room is for an adult?

I can but I wish it was bigger lol.. but that’s kinda the case with all these things

 

[RiverDave]

He’s stated multiple times as soon as he got it it was supposed to have a rear bench seat made for it. Wonder if that’s still the plan as he’s had it for over a month now.

I was gonna send it out to have one made.. I’m not sure with the radiator where it’s at that it’s a good idea?

I did pick up two carbon seats from speed and am going to take them to superior fiberglass and discuss what’s involved with making a bench etc..

 

[evantwheeler]

@River Dave - Can you fit in the back seat? How much room is for an adult?

I'm 6'3" 190ish. I can physically "fit". Its not comfortable. The seats are tiny and my knees touched the front seat back. I'd rather sit at camp or buy my own than ride in the back of one.

 

[Hammer]

I'm 6'3" 190ish. I can physically "fit". Its not comfortable. The seats are tiny and my knees touched the front seat back. I'd rather sit at camp or buy my own than ride in the back of one.

Good to know. Thanks!

 

[Hammer]

I can but I wish it was bigger lol.. but that’s kinda the case with all these things

With everyones comments on how well the Speed car handles, I think the 119" wheel base is probable the perfect size, just had to give up rear seat spacing....

 

[RiverDave]

I'm 6'3" 190ish. I can physically "fit". Its not comfortable. The seats are tiny and my knees touched the front seat back. I'd rather sit at camp or buy my own than ride in the back of one.

I’m 6’ 210’ish.. it’s doable but wouldn’t be my preference..

That said the only SXS I’ve ever been in that I said would be doable is a ranger or a defender or one of the new expedition deals..

 

[Fabhouse]

With everyones comments on how well the Speed car handles, I think the 119" wheel base is probable the perfect size, just had to give up rear seat spacing....

120" was the standard in off road racing for many years....+/- 10" is still the range. (mostly +)
The difference now is fitting 4 seats into that space....

 

[sdpm]

Saw these yesterday afternoon at the Speed/Hastings building as I drove by. Sorry for the bad picture.

 

[DWC]

With everyone’s comments on how well the Speed car handles, I think the 119" wheel base is probable the perfect size, just had to give up rear seat spacing....

I jumped in the back of RD’s at the show last weekend. It’s somewhere between my Can Am and the older Razor’s. Felt a little small for me and that’s saying something.
Wouldn’t stop me from buying one though.

 

[NIKAL]

I’m 6’ 210’ish.. it’s doable but wouldn’t be my preference..

That said the only SXS I’ve ever been in that I said would be doable is a ranger or a defender or one of the new expedition deals..

The new Pro series have lots of rear seat room. The X3 Max always had lots of rear leg room, but I felt like you were blind as it’s hard to see out of. The Kawi KRX has lots of leg room and is actually impressive for its 125 inch WB.

The Speed has more rear leg room them say a Turbo S, but most new 4 seats that have lots of rear leg room are also extremely long for a UTV minus the current KRX. I suspect the new KRX being announced early next year will be longer to accommodate the new power plant.

 

[RVR SWPR]

LMAO, i cannot see anyone posting in this thread sitting & riding in the Back Seat of anything they own. I’m coming up on 80 years of age,cannot remember not once sitting in any back seat of vehicles i own.

 

[redone76]

LMAO, i cannot see anyone posting in this thread sitting & riding in the Back Seat of anything they own. I’m coming up on 80 years of age,cannot remember not once sitting in any back seat of vehicles i own.

I've only sat in the back seat to get laid!!!