Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[LargeOrangeFont]

So is this a different part then the one they have testing in the Pre production cars ? You think if he had beat the Pre production cars as hard they say have it would have showed up sooner ! I heard about the week vacation but don't remember hearing anything about it would only be a week delay if they needed to make a new one !

This is the same production part they have had since it came out.

We just stated all this above. You are never going to get race conditions if you aren't in a race. Higher oil temps, and some oil residue on the fitting caused it to easily slip off. The part is fine if completely dry.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It was a week before they could address the problem in China. Then retool time and remake parts has to occur. Prolly a 4 week process

There is your 5-8 weeks. 5 if they retrofit existing, and 8 if they have to swap out parts with new ones.

 

[Bpracing1127]

There is your 5-8 weeks. 5 if they retrofit existing, and 8 if they have to swap out parts with new ones.

Plus shipping at 6 weeks

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

China is on holiday until 10/10, so that holiday week is almost over.
That said, the issue was identified last week and nothing will be done in China about the fix until 10/10.

I agree 100% with you. The way they said this car has been tested, why was this design issue not caught until the race last week! Plus, any fluid fitting should be a barb from the start for anything off-road.

That is like asking why didn't Polaris figure out RZRs catch fire until after they came out. You can't simulate racing conditions, and this situation was 2 fold.. race oil temps, and a fitting that had oil residue on it, presumably from prep.

Interestingly enough, the 4 seater prerun car they used to finish the race has the exact same part on it and it didn't fail

 

[EPL]

There is your 5-8 weeks. 5 if they retrofit existing, and 8 if they have to swap out parts with new ones.

He never made that statement !!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Plus shipping at 6 weeks

They have a thing called airplanes They aren't going to put a bunch of these air oil separators on a boat if the cars are already here or on their way here.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

He never made that statement !!

He said 5-8 weeks until people see deliveries. He said this will be fixed before people get their cars.

 

[Bpracing1127]

They have a thing called airplanes They aren't going to put a bunch of these things air oil separators on a boat if the cars are already here.

It was my understanding that these are assembled in China and zero cars are stateside (other than speed owned ones)

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It was my understanding that these are assembled in China and zero cars are stateside (other than speed owned ones)

If it is 6 weeks for delivery by boat (likely longer for vehicles), and the cars are 5-8 weeks out, there are only 3 possibilities. A. ready to go on a boat, B. already on a boat, or C. already here.

If B or C they will need to quickly ship the air separators for the cars in flight here, to be fixed stateside, or implement a fix that can be done here. If it is A, they my hold them there and fix them in China, in which case no shipping is needed.

Again this is going off of what they said last night.

 

[jesco]

This is the same production part they have had since it came out.

We just stated all this above. You are never going to get race conditions if you aren't in a race. Higher oil temps, and some oil residue on the fitting caused it to easily slip off. The part is fine if completely dry.

They found a problem which is good..... but the "race conditions" comment is bullshit. Robbie has been driving the piss out of these cars for months, WAY HARDER than Max was at NORRA. The first 16 (+/-) miles of that race are in town on paved streets doing the speed limit, the oil line popped 16 (+/-) miles into the first dirt section. Plus, Robbie raced one of these cars at last years UTV World Championship in Havasu, didn't pop there. Not sure what happened, but its good thing they caught it now and can remedy the problem. If I was taking delivery of one of the first 1000 cars Id be checking every critical line on that car to make sure nothing else got "missed".

 

[EPL]

He said 5-8 weeks until people see deliveries. He said this will be fixed before people get their cars.

But NEVER said the timeline depended on if the had to have make a new part or not ! Your like a used car salesman and make statements about things that you think may happen not what others say are going to happen !

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They found a problem which is good..... but the "race conditions" comment is bullshit. Robbie has been driving the piss out of these cars for months, WAY HARDER than Max was at NORRA. The first 16 (+/-) miles of that race are in town on paved streets doing the speed limit, the oil line popped 16 (+/-) miles into the first dirt section. Plus, Robbie raced one of these cars at last years UTV World Championship in Havasu, didn't pop there. Not sure what happened, but its good thing they caught it now and can remedy the problem. If I was taking delivery of one of the first 1000 cars Id be checking every critical line on that car to make sure nothing else got "missed".

The fitting had oil residue on it they said, that was the difference. The UTV WC car didn't have this production part on it I don't think. It had an aluminum one.

As I said, the 4 seat car they finished the race with also had the same part in it.. no failure. It is one of those racing deals.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

But NEVER said the timeline depended on if the had to have make a new part or not ! Your like a used car salesman and make statements about things that you think may happen not what others say are going to happen !

Um yea he did. He said the fix may take time if they have to make a whole new part, and there will be a fix before we get our cars, and we will get cars in 5-8 weeks.

And of course the timeline depends on if they have to make a new part or not.

I'm sorry you can't fathom that 1+1+1=3.

 

[EPL]

They found a problem which is good..... but the "race conditions" comment is bullshit. Robbie has been driving the piss out of these cars for months, WAY HARDER than Max was at NORRA. The first 16 (+/-) miles of that race are in town on paved streets doing the speed limit, the oil line popped 16 (+/-) miles into the first dirt section. Plus, Robbie raced one of these cars at last years UTV World Championship in Havasu, didn't pop there. Not sure what happened, but its good thing they caught it now and can remedy the problem. If I was taking delivery of one of the first 1000 cars Id be checking every critical line on that car to make sure nothing else got "missed".

1000% true !

Um yea he did. He said the fix may take time if they have to make a whole new part, and there will be a fix before we get our cars, and we will get cars in 5-8 weeks.

And of course the timeline depends on if they have to make a new part or not.

Watch the video again ! Well as much as I would like to stay here behind the key board and ness with your arrogant ass I can't because I'm walking out the door the go play in the desert with my "stop ride" "flame throwing " peace of shit Polaris for 2 weeks !!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

1000% true !

Watch the video again ! Well as much as I would like to stay here behind the key board and ness with your arrogant ass I can't because I'm walking out the door the go play in the desert with my "stop ride" "flame throwing " peace of shit Polaris for 2 weeks !!!

Have fun. Please do watch it again maybe it will help.

Hope you have a fire extinguisher on board

 

[jesco]

The fitting had oil residue on it they said, that was the difference. The UTV WC car didn't have this production part on it I don't think. It had an aluminum one.

As I said, the 4 seat car they finished the race with also had the same part in it.. no failure. It is one of those racing deals.

Agree to disagree... not a racing deal, poor design deal that happened to occur during a race. Regardless it will get addressed but the fact it didnt happen during all his extensive testing is weird. Was it not on those cars? Maybe he had the aluminum canister on all of those..? And Im betting they did a bush fix to the 4 seater so it would happen to that car.

 

[Ziggy]

Ok here's a new argument. I don't believe Robby's explanation of how the rear mount broke at the show. What are your thoughts?

Robby's explanation

🏁 West Coast Raptors 🏁 on Instagram: "🚨What do you think?🚨"

235 likes, 44 comments - westcoastraptors on September 18, 2022: "🚨What do you think?🚨".

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The jump:

#MakeGlamisSafe on Instagram: "Looks like it broke before the jump at @sandsportssupershow"

1,993 likes, 135 comments - boardmanville_glamis on September 17, 2022: "Looks like it broke before the jump at @sandsportssupershow".

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Landing and braking together will put 90% of stress on the entire front end vs rear swing arm pivot.
He sounded like the "Top of Mind" excuse Bidens team threw out.....but he had to say something since plenty watched it happen.
Wonder if RG is wishing he was still just a racedriver yet?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Agree to disagree... not a racing deal, poor design deal that happened to occur during a race. Regardless it will get addressed but the fact it didnt happen during all his extensive testing is weird. Was it not on those cars? Maybe he had the aluminum canister on all of those..? And Im betting they did a bush fix to the 4 seater so it would happen to that car.

Same part has been on all the testing cars for over a year they said. They have multiple cars with over 10k miles on that setup.

They said the 4 seater that used in the race was not race prepped and had like 3000+ miles on it.

I agree there should have been a barb on that fitting from the beginning.

Weird shit happens you know as well as I do. That race car was hand assembled, but some of those preproduction cars were too.

Maybe they used a different spec hose on the race car that let oil wick up between the hose and fitting over time and then it slipped off.

Once there is oil on that mating surface it continues to slip off.

 

[Bigbore500r]

Landing and braking together will put 90% of stress on the entire front end vs rear swing arm pivot.
He sounded like the "Top of Mind" excuse Bidens team threw out.....but he had to say something since plenty watched it happen.
Wonder if RG is wishing he was still just a racedriver yet?

The video shows the trailing arm let go well before landing / braking.
But whatever - shit does break.
It's only a problem when you make it a selling point that your shit won't break

 

[Ziggy]

The video shows the trailing arm let go well before landing / braking.
But whatever - shit does break.
It's only a problem when you make it a selling point that your shit won't break

Then it's an even lamer excuse by him....people believe honest answers but always have their BS radar on full examination.
I got no dog in this game so it matters not to me one way or the other.
I just truly hope the product gets released soon & performs as promised.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Two small sheet metal screws will solve that issue temporarily.

A nice new Pro R solves it permanently.

 

[EarpRider]

 

[stonehenge]

Robby said that tonight. Had he delivered car's he would be replacing 200 hundred blown up motors.

Am I the only one who thinks this is a red flag? What if he had delivered 3000 cars with this problem?

And am surprised he stated that on a public forum with how litigious this society has become.


yea, yea... yea "this" problem is fixed, allegedly, don't waste the ink in a reply, we all know its better now.


Truth be told, telling the world that the product sucks and all the motors would have blown up, could have etc., is a rare and humble moment for RWG

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s a better solution than the Pro R

 

[EarpRider]

Anybody got a link to last nights video?

Robby Gordon on Instagram: "@speedutv show 102 in the books. Thank you to all of our loyal customers 🏆"

714 likes, 46 comments - robbygordon on October 6, 2022: "@speedutv show 102 in the books. Thank you to all of our loyal customers 🏆".

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[WhatExit?]

Then it's an even lamer excuse by him....people believe honest answers but always have their BS radar on full examination.
I got no dog in this game so it matters not to me one way or the other.
I just truly hope the product gets released soon & performs as promised.

Welcome to the “Haters Club” Ziggy club members get to see LOF’s act which includes nonstop tap dancing and name calling- fun times!

 

[LuauLounge]

Same situation, I want to see success and got caught up in this. Was Robby originally planning on building 200 cars a year himself and found the demand much larger? Did he then look for capital and find he could never finance it? How did Hisun become involved? I don’t believe for a second that RG is calling the shots on this. No manufacturer is going to start production and shut it down. What do you do with hundreds of workers when the plug gets pulled? Oh, go home and we’ll call you in 6 weeks when we get this or that resolved.
Seems like there’s a lot of holes in the story. Watched his feed last night and didn’t find it fitting for a company that’s supposed to crank out millions of dollars of product a month.
Again, I want to see him succeed, but there are some questions.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Welcome to the “Haters Club” Ziggy club members get to see LOF’s act which includes nonstop tap dancing and name calling- fun times!

I learned this act from years of watching you .. now the kettle is whining about pot being black.

 

[riverroyal]

If it is 6 weeks for delivery by boat (likely longer for vehicles), and the cars are 5-8 weeks out, there are only 3 possibilities. A. ready to go on a boat, B. already on a boat, or C. already here.

If B or C they will need to quickly ship the air separators for the cars in flight here, to be fixed stateside, or implement a fix that can be done here. If it is A, they my hold them there and fix them in China, in which case no shipping is needed.

Again this is going off of what they said last night.

But how is it possible nobody knows this answer? Why is it a mystery?
Where are they, how many are there ready?
I’m sorry but this is a shit show.
You can’t disagree with me.

5 to 8 weeks for one car to one investor? 100 in week one?
How are you guys as deposit droppers ok with basically bullshit news?
I know I know it doesn’t matter to you….it should, with this type of business practices think about after it’s delivered. Warranty work all that.

Where are the cars?
Where are they assembled?
When is number 1000 delivered?
Why is this all some mystery game?

Red flags all over the place. This is not a $200 investment. At 40k is it worth it? Is it THAT much better than the rest?
Right now no way….

Also 5 to 8 week window? Huh. That’s laughable for a company worth all the money we are lead to believe. You can’t operate like that at this point.

I did wish speed luck, but noe it’s embarrassing for them.

If you don’t agree in some amount then you are embarrassing yourself.

 

[2Driver]

A nice new Pro R solves it permanently.

Plus you can go riding after Thanksgiving dinner.

This thread is 1/2 a year old someone needs to change the title.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

But how is it possible nobody knows this answer? Why is it a mystery?
Where are they, how many are there ready?
I’m sorry but this is a shit show.
You can’t disagree with me.

5 to 8 weeks for one car to one investor? 100 in week one?
How are you guys as deposit droppers ok with basically bullshit news?
I know I know it doesn’t matter to you….it should, with this type of business practices think about after it’s delivered. Warranty work all that.

Where are the cars?
Where are they assembled?
When is number 1000 delivered?
Why is this all some mystery game?

Red flags all over the place. This is not a $200 investment. At 40k is it worth it? Is it THAT much better than the rest?
Right now no way….

Also 5 to 8 week window? Huh. That’s laughable for a company worth all the money we are lead to believe. You can’t operate like that at this point.

I did wish speed luck, but know it’s embarrassing for them.

If you don’t agree in some amount then you are embarrassing yourself.

I don't disagree.. I just don't care. I haven't cared since I made the deposits. I don't care where the cars are, I don't care where they are built, I don't care who is building them. I don't care how they get to Havasu, I don't care when car 1000 is delivered. I literally don't. I didn't pay to dictate how, when or why they build the cars where they do. I care that they found a problem and are fixing it.

As far as delivery, make progress and call me when it is time to pick it up, that is really all I care about.

Warranty? After 6 months I am the warranty. I do hope there are parts when they get rolling... we will see.

 

[counterpart7]

Man, catching something major like an oil line popping off just weeks before “deliveries” doesn’t sound like they have done enough “testing” to me.

Curious to see what issues these cars have shortly after “delivery”. Maybe they will have all the bugs worked out when they are delivered next Fall

 

[702sandman]

They found a problem which is good..... but the "race conditions" comment is bullshit. Robbie has been driving the piss out of these cars for months, WAY HARDER than Max was at NORRA. The first 16 (+/-) miles of that race are in town on paved streets doing the speed limit, the oil line popped 16 (+/-) miles into the first dirt section. Plus, Robbie raced one of these cars at last years UTV World Championship in Havasu, didn't pop there. Not sure what happened, but its good thing they caught it now and can remedy the problem. If I was taking delivery of one of the first 1000 cars Id be checking every critical line on that car to make sure nothing else got "missed".

it Gets better every day with the excuses being made it’s a week away till we get to play in the dirt…make sure to check your oil fittings closely , and if my shit comes off I’m definitely not posting it here

 

[RiverDave]

But how is it possible nobody knows this answer? Why is it a mystery?
Where are they, how many are there ready?
I’m sorry but this is a shit show.
You can’t disagree with me.

5 to 8 weeks for one car to one investor? 100 in week one?
How are you guys as deposit droppers ok with basically bullshit news?
I know I know it doesn’t matter to you….it should, with this type of business practices think about after it’s delivered. Warranty work all that.

Where are the cars?
Where are they assembled?
When is number 1000 delivered?
Why is this all some mystery game?

Red flags all over the place. This is not a $200 investment. At 40k is it worth it? Is it THAT much better than the rest?
Right now no way….

Also 5 to 8 week window? Huh. That’s laughable for a company worth all the money we are lead to believe. You can’t operate like that at this point.

I did wish speed luck, but noe it’s embarrassing for them.

If you don’t agree in some amount then you are embarrassing yourself.

Lol

 

[Warlock1]

Man, catching something major like an oil line popping off just weeks before “deliveries” doesn’t sound like they have done enough “testing” to me.

Curious to see what issues these cars have shortly after “delivery”. Maybe they will have all the bugs worked out when they are delivered next Fall

How is this any different than Polaris sending out do not ride notices to hundreds of people because the clutch can explode or the car will burn down I know someone that literally brought their car home and before they got it off the trailer they were told not to drive it and oh by the way we don't know when the parts to fix it will be available, but thanks for the 45k.

In the case of Speed, I would imagine this never showed up before because each car was built using very strict QC measures. Maybe on this car a small step of cleaning and drying the nipple wasn't followed or someone had trouble getting the hose on and used wd40 to make it slip on easier. It is a whole different animal when a product goes from R&D to manufacturing. Unfortunately people that are on the line putting the nut on the shock absorber aren't always the most caring.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

it Gets better every day with the excuses being made it’s a week away till we get to play in the dirt…make sure to check your oil fittings closely , and if my shit comes off I’m definitely not posting it here

Bring yore flak jacket to protect from the clutch shrapnel .

 

[riverroyal]

I don't disagree.. I just don't care. I haven't cared since I made the deposits. I don't care where the cars are, I don't care where they are built, I don't care who is building them. I don't care how they get to Havasu, I don't care when car 1000 is delivered. I literally don't. I didn't pay to dictate how, when or why they build the cars where they do. I care that they found a problem and are fixing it.

As far as delivery, make progress and call me when it is time to pick it up, that is really all I care about.

Warranty? After 6 months I am the warranty. I do hope there are parts when they get rolling... we will see.

But do you care if you buy a ton of beer next weekend? 50/50 coming to st george.
Because I just don't care about what people think about this thread, free beer always wins.
RD would agree

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

But do you care if you buy a ton of beer next weekend? 50/50 coming to st george.
Because I just don't care about what people think about this thread, free beer always wins.
RD would agree

Damn I’m in Havasu next weekend. Let me know either way.

I never care about buying beer good buddy.

 

[riverroyal]

We are havasu in 2 weeks for the london Bridge concert deal
St george to look around. Make future plans

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We are havasu in 2 weeks for the london Bridge concert deal
St george to look around. Make future plans

If we cross like ships in the night let me know what you are thinking regarding future plans. I can tell you a few neighborhoods to check out. If not we can sync up in Havasu then.

 

[JayBreww]

How is this any different than Polaris sending out do not ride notices to hundreds of people because the clutch can explode or the car will burn down I know someone that literally brought their car home and before they got it off the trailer they were told not to drive it and oh by the way we don't know when the parts to fix it will be available, but thanks for the 45k.

In the case of Speed, I would imagine this never showed up before because each car was built using very strict QC measures. Maybe on this car a small step of cleaning and drying the nipple wasn't followed or someone had trouble getting the hose on and used wd40 to make it slip on easier. It is a whole different animal when a product goes from R&D to manufacturing. Unfortunately people that are on the line putting the nut on the shock absorber aren't always the most caring.

Because Polaris didn’t shit on other brands and making claims their product is superior would be the short answer.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Because Polaris didn’t shit on other brands and making claims their product is superior would be the short answer.

You guys are wound up tight over this

 

[Canuck 1]

Another week goes by and still no car.....

 

[riverroyal]

O

Another week goes by and still no car.....

Or call.

 

[Bpracing1127]

I’m telling you guys 12-15 weeks is my guess for the first 200. If you are car 1000 I’m thinking 25 weeks out from today or end of March (season basically over)

 

[Reddy Too]

LOF

 

[JayBreww]

You guys are wound up tight over this

I’m wound up?! Look in the mirror lately? Read your own responses?
I’m just pointing out the obvious.
I hope you get your car and it’s successful, I just call out the BS when it’s obvious…

Here’s a question, regarding warlocks question, am I wrong to say what I said?

 

[v6toy4x]

Why is it hard to believe? It was right there in the video.

What he means is, Its hard to believe cause us old timers have never seen a hose clamp connection without a barb, let alone tapered in the off direction.

I also think that if these things aren't on the boats already they ain't making 8 weeks???

On the other hand I am beyond impressed with what these guys have pulled off even if it has been 3 years. I waited a long time to get my boat, it was worth it. Probably 5 months out before my new truck gets here and its already been designed and mass produced!

Not into the whole SxS thing but this has made me go "check them out" and from what little I have seen the speed car does seem to be on a level all its own, but what do I know!

I would be willing to go for a ride when you guys finally get them

 

[v6toy4x]

The part is fine if completely dry.

NO I have built a lot of stuff in my 60 years, motorcycles, quads, go carts, cars, trucks even an RV and not once did I ever have a hose clamp fitting without a barb. Its like a crown and coke without ice!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

NO I have built a lot of stuff in my 60 years, motorcycles, quads, go carts, cars, trucks even an RV and not once did I ever have a hose clamp fitting without a barb. Its like a crown and coke without ice!

I would have put a barb on it too. It is what it is, they are fixing it.