Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[LargeOrangeFont]

I would not go that far. His social networking / marketing has sold 3+k direct deposits and a loyal following.
I think he had a vision, starting marketing / selling deposits and then realized how complex it was going to be to execute it. His biggest downfall was overpromising release dates and then missing those dates, I also dont think at the beginning he thought the demand would grow as it has.

No they were not expecting this much demand at all. That is part of the reason for the delays. As pipeline grew they put more money and time into development of the car. If they didn’t have the pipeline they developed, we would not have this car.

As for the dates, it is what it is. Tesla does it with every model, Polaris took and extra year to bring their car to market and just didn’t say anything, but left everyone hanging on rumors for 12 more months. Can Am is doing the same thing this year because their new car is not ready and will lose some market share to Polaris and Speed in the next 12 months.

There is frustration, but when you press those people, they would rather have a better car than one that was rushed. Everyone here with an actual order will say that.

Even the “upset” people here are still sticking with it it seems.

 

[MK1MOD0]

Considering what has transpired in the last two years, I think he has done a good job so far. Let’s be honest, he has gotten this far in a complete shit show of a world for manufacturing and business in general.

 

[parker ed]

Has anyone ever bought Speed Energy drink?

Had one with breakfast this morning.

 

[Havasu blue label]

Does anybody remember faded energy blue can

 

[redone76]

Has anyone ever bought Speed Energy drink?

Yes…tasted like shit

But all I can handle is a small Red Bull

 

[grumpy88]

I would not even go that far. He seems to have several reasonably successful businesses. - energy drink, SST series, RC cars, tools, etc.

Maybe you could argue he is bad at promotion, but to do what they have done in 3 years, 2 of which were in a pandemic while designing an entire vehicle and launching an entire brand that is ready to debut a final product for sale is pretty impressive.

I’m not saying they were perfect but how many automotive related startups went from paper to a sellable product that is at least competitive with the top players in the industry in 3 years?

He didn't invent the wheel in 3 years ! He took a sxs that he was 100 percent familiar with from years of racing and " developing " and has tried to take it to market . Greg Biffle modified and created the best sxs still today I would argue . He is no longer a single owner / producer so that is another demerit as well . And I can only picture the two stupid guys from step brothers in there lab when you say he developed a energy drink ! Lol . I really want him to succeed but he has driven me away at this point with his por front man leadership . His accessories for the Textron xx though seam to be top notch . Down side is that is another company I no longer feel comfortable dumping a ton of cash into anymore .

 

[Bpracing1127]

is he live? i cant find the link?

 

[HNL2LHC]

Well is he on!?!?!??! It is 7pm PT

 

[Bpracing1127]

Well is he on!?!?!??! It is 7pm PT

im on and not seeing it but not sure if its me or ....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

He didn't invent the wheel in 3 years ! He took a sxs that he was 100 percent familiar with from years of racing and " developing " and has tried to take it to market . Greg Biffle modified and created the best sxs still today I would argue . He is no longer a single owner / producer so that is another demerit as well . And I can only picture the two stupid guys from step brothers in there lab when you say he developed a energy drink ! Lol . I really want him to succeed but he has driven me away at this point with his por front man leadership . His accessories for the Textron xx though seam to be top notch . Down side is that is another company I no longer feel comfortable dumping a ton of cash into anymore .

He made a 100% new car from the ground up in 3 years. This is not based on a WildcatXX. It shares 0 parts with a WildcatXX. It might share the geometry, that would be where the similarities end between the 2.

The original concept was a stretched WildcatXX. That was scrapped when demand picked up early on.

 

[Racer56]

Instagram live

 

[LuauLounge]

 

[Bpracing1127]

he is live now

talking bout trophies

 

[zhandfull]

If 2023 deliveries happened at this point there would likely be lawsuits. They have taken payment from customers and by law have a certain amount of days to deliver the car. They are claiming deliveries will begin mid November.

The actual customers are the priority at this point. Not answering to the demands of the unwashed masses. The potential customers will see the cars when they are in actual customers hands.

Few in the USA will buy a Hisun. They will however buy a Hisun with a different branding designed and supported by Robby Gordon and team. Hisun may already own part of Speed as they are the manufacturer of the vehicle, we don’t know. I don’t see Speed gettting bought out based on what the owners have said about where they want to take the company, and where they have been shopping for dealer real estate for their brand.

That said, anything could happen.

They have taken payment as in full purchase price or just deposits?

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Tonight was the first time I viewed a live show. (102). I take offense to the comment that a CEO will lie to the public. I work for a CEO that is a fantastic leader and does not lie to our shareholders, employees, or customers. That same CEO would stop me on the spot for a presentation done by headlights. This does not look like a multi-million dollar operation. Like I said before, I am not an early adopter, and I would love to see RG succeed, but IMHO this is not a path to success. I am sure he is doing his best, but I suspect when customers start getting cars, First pass yield, warranty rates, and customer service will roll over this team like a freight train.

My half-ass race team shop 15 years ago was in a barn about like that. Great for parties, drinking beer, and trying to build a single race car, not a conference setting to address investors.

Having the best design is only a fraction of the secret sauce. I genuinely hope they pull this off and prove the haters wrong.

I turned it off when he went back to racing topics. Five to Eight weeks was the delivery date he made this evening. That satisfied my curiosity.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Tonight was the first time I viewed a live show. (102). I take offense to the comment that a CEO will lie to the public. I work for a CEO that is a fantastic leader and does not lie to our shareholders, employees, or customers. That same CEO would stop me on the spot for a presentation done by headlights. This does not look like a multi-million dollar operation. Like I said before, I am not an early adopter, and I would love to see RG succeed, but IMHO this is not a path to success. I am sure he is doing his best, but I suspect when customers start getting cars, First pass yield, warranty rates, and customer service will roll over this team like a freight train.

My half-ass race team shop 15 years ago was in a barn about like that. Great for parties, drinking beer, and trying to build a single race car, not a conference setting to address investors.

Having the best design is only a fraction of the secret sauce. I genuinely hope they pull this off and prove the haters wrong.

I turned it off when he went back to racing topics. Five to Eight weeks was the delivery date he made this evening. That satisfied my curiosity.

well said

also a CEO would not call someone out by name PERIOD!!!

do i think they need a CEO? no but Robby is not CEO material. Again where is TODD?

 

[LuauLounge]

I think that was another 5 to 8 weeks…..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They have taken payment as in full purchase price or just deposits?

They have started taking payments.

 

[Racer56]

I think that was another 5 to 8 weeks…..

That's what he said. There goes riding season again!

 

[Racer56]

Customers will START to receive their cars in 5-8 weeks. Starting to get really bummed out!

 

[buck35]

Tonight was the first time I viewed a live show. (102). I take offense to the comment that a CEO will lie to the public. I work for a CEO that is a fantastic leader and does not lie to our shareholders, employees, or customers. That same CEO would stop me on the spot for a presentation done by headlights. This does not look like a multi-million dollar operation. Like I said before, I am not an early adopter, and I would love to see RG succeed, but IMHO this is not a path to success. I am sure he is doing his best, but I suspect when customers start getting cars, First pass yield, warranty rates, and customer service will roll over this team like a freight train.

My half-ass race team shop 15 years ago was in a barn about like that. Great for parties, drinking beer, and trying to build a single race car, not a conference setting to address investors.

Having the best design is only a fraction of the secret sauce. I genuinely hope they pull this off and prove the haters wrong.

I turned it off when he went back to racing topics. Five to Eight weeks was the delivery date he made this evening. That satisfied my curiosity.

I'd guess 90% of us so called haters are just curious how this all turns out.

 

[grumpy88]

He made a 100% new car from the ground up in 3 years. This is not based on a WildcatXX. It shares 0 parts with a WildcatXX. It might share the geometry, that would be where the similarities end between the 2.

The original concept was a stretched WildcatXX. That was scrapped when demand picked up early on.

I totally get that . My friend bought a harbor freight tube bender , chromoly pipe and built a single seat 1000 out of his garage in 5 weeks . Machined his own parts where necessary as well . My friend played in the desert 12 to 15 days a year . Robby has done this his entire life . He did not invent the sxs . He knows better then most what he would change though . That's why I say he did not invent the wheel . He has had a lifetime of experience to do this .

 

[Bpracing1127]

Who on RDP has paid for there car already?

My takeaway on the live show

He said 5-8 weeks. That is damn near shipping time. He also said problem with oil system that has to be addressed so delay with retooling the part ( possible work around for the 200 in stock)

Nothing is built because of the uncertainty of the epa cert. so cars still need parts to come in ( some are already there)and assembly and ship. 12-15 weeks out.

Carb cert has zero visibility. The testing has been done that is for sure but who knows how long it will take to get the actual cert.

Damn near zero testing with 35” tires (250 miles or so)

 

[Bpracing1127]

Customers will START to receive their cars in 5-8 weeks. Started to get really bummed out!

Told ya to make other plans for the 1000 lol

 

[Singleton]

Too busy watching my daughters waterpolo scrimmage to watch.
Did he explain why it is 5-8 weeks until deliveries start?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Customers will START to receive their cars in 5-8 weeks. Started to get really bummed out!

5weeks jives what has been previously stated, but I have a feeing it might be closer to 8, we will see. It sounds like they have 200 units produced that now need a update to the drain port of the oil separator.

I know that has no pressure, but probably should have had a barb on it to be begin with.

 

[Racer56]

Too busy watching my daughters waterpolo scrimmage to watch.
Did he explain why it is 5-8 weeks until deliveries start?

Basically he needs to fix Chinese shit.

 

[Singleton]

Who on RDP has paid for there car already?

My takeaway on the live show

He said 5-8 weeks. That is damn near shipping time. He also said problem with oil system that has to be addressed so delay with retooling the part ( possible work around for the 200 in stock)

Nothing is built because of the uncertainty of the epa cert. so cars still need parts to come in ( some are already there)and assembly and ship. 12-15 weeks out.

Carb cert has zero visibility. The testing has been done that is for sure but who knows how long it will take to get the actual cert.

Damn near zero testing with 35” tires (250 miles or so)

Wonder if oil system redesign will require an additional EPA / CARB review?

 

[Bpracing1127]

Wonder if oil system redesign will require an additional EPA / CARB review?

Highly unlikely as it’s just a barn to prevent the line from coming off. If anything makes it easier to approve

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wonder if oil system redesign will require an additional EPA / CARB review?

No. It is a hose barb on a oil line fitting.

 

[Bpracing1127]

1 really really really cool thing is the EPA cert is good for E85 that os good for the speed key.


LOF what size is the gas tank on the car?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

1 really really really cool thing is the EPA cert is good for E85 that os good for the speed key.


LOF what size is the gas tank on the car?

14 gallons. Sounds like the range when driving in anger is the same as a RZR or Can Am

 

[Bpracing1127]

14 gallons.

Man on e85 and driving it. I bet it gets 50-60 miles a tank lol

100 mile range is what you needed anyways

 

[Racer56]

Well this thread is definitely going to get to a 100 pages before the first customer car is delivered, unless @RiverDave locks it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Man on e85 and driving it. I bet it gets 50-60 miles a tank lol

100 mile range is what you needed anyways

I only need half throttle to stay ahead of you anyway. I’ll be good.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Well this thread is definitely going to get to a 100 pages before the first customer car is delivered, unless @RiverDave locks it.

True story!!

 

[JayBreww]

5weeks jives what has been previously stated, but I have a feeing it might be closer to 8, we will see. It sounds like they have 200 units produced that now need a update to the drain port of the oil separator.

I know that has no pressure, but probably should have had a barb on it to be begin with.

What jived with deliveries at SSSS that is different from now?

 

[Racer56]

Man on e85 and driving it. I bet it gets 50-60 miles a tank lol

100 mile range is what you needed anyways

Perfect for the dunes.

 

[Singleton]

Basically he needs to fix Chinese shit.

That sucks. Surprised the oil issue was not caught in testing sooner. Or did the manufacture modify a design and now issues are popping up with these ‘pre-production’ cars.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Perfect for the dunes.

My thoughts too. No need for 300 hp in dirt at all

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What jived with deliveries at SSSS that is different from now?

Well they could not deliver at SSSS for multiple reasons that we covered ad nauseam.

 

[Bpracing1127]

That sucks. Surprised the oil issue was not caught in testing sooner. Or did the manufacture modify a design and now issues are popping up with these ‘pre-production’ cars.

Overlooked design flaw that didn’t cause them a problem till now.

 

[Racer56]

That sucks. Surprised the oil issue was not caught in testing sooner. Or did the manufacture modify a design and now issues are popping up with these ‘pre-production’ cars.

Racing always bring gremlins to light.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That sucks. Surprised the oil issue was not caught in testing sooner. Or did the manufacture modify a design and now issues are popping up with these ‘pre-production’ cars.

Nothing was modified. They have been using this same part in all testing. Under race conditions with race oil temps the drain back line slipped of the separator. Once slick with oil it can come right off again and again. If that happens while driving the engine will evacuate itself of oil and fail.

Obviously that would be a nightmare for them when they get into customer’s hands.

They are going to modify existing parts and/or make a new separator with a hose barb to solve the issue.

 

[JayBreww]

Well they could not deliver at SSSS for multiple reasons that we covered ad nauseam.

Then what jives this time?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Then what jives this time?

People that have paid were told mid November… that is 5 weeks away. Maybe it stretches to 8, who knows.

 

[Singleton]

Nothing was modified. They have been using this same part in all testing. Under race conditions with race oil temps the drain back line slipped of the separator. Once slick with oil it can come right off again and again. If that happens while driving the engine will evacuate itself of oil and fail.

Obviously that would be a nightmare for them when they get into customer’s hands.

They are going to modify existing parts and/or make a new separator with a hose barb to solve the issue.

With all the testing they have executed, this issue never popped up before.
It took a race to discover the issue. Something does not add up IMO.

 

[JayBreww]

People that have paid were told mid November… that is 5 weeks away. Maybe it stretches to 8, who knows.

So people paying is the only difference from the previously stated delivery date of 9/19 from Speed.
So now, potentially 12 weeks later, they are stating deliveries will happen, but still no carb or a finalized product.
Noted.

 

[Singleton]

People that have paid were told mid November… that is 5 weeks away. Maybe it stretches to 8, who knows.

Those folks that financed are not going to be happy. Outside 30 days, banks will have to re-qualify the loans and rates will be different (higher). Or folks are going to state they took delivery and be committing bank fraud (if caught).

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

With all the testing they have executed, this issue never popped up before.
It took a race to discover the issue. Something does not add up IMO.

That is why all these MFGs race. Things happen in race conditions that you are not going to simulate otherwise.

You can choose to believe them or not.

This happened after the mating surface of the barb was contaminated with oil. Without a barb no matter how much you tighten a clamp, the hose can pull off.