Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well if we are being honest you kind of have raised the bar here a bit..

Agreed. But if we are being honest, I didn't raise it alone.

 

[RiverDave]

Agreed. But if we are being honest, I didn't raise it alone.

No ya didn’t..

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No ya didn’t..

That is all I'm asking to be acknowledged here.

 

[RiverDave]

That is all I'm asking to be acknowledged here.

I Just gave you the trophy and acknowledgment.. step off the podium. Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I Just gave you the trophy and acknowledgment.. step off the podium. Lol

I'll say the same thing I said last time.. In 3 more pages of BS bickering and misinformation that I am not involved with, find someone else to give the trophy to The last guy took the trophy and left.

The Hat Holding thread seems to be open season for name calling a belittling in the meantime

 

[EarpRider]

A lot people with deposits down on the Speed Facebook page that are getting of waiting with no updates.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

A lot people with deposits down on the Speed Facebook page that are getting of waiting with no updates.

I agree that is needed at this point.

 

[Havasu blue label]

I just hope everyone gets the cars this season

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

No ya didn’t..

Mostly wrong there Dave.

I'll use DILLIGAF as an example but the rest of the "haters" on this and a few other threads involving LOF are the same.

DILLIGAF had almost 17,000 posts over the course of MANY years. Of those 17,000 I would wager less than 100 would be be considered negative in nature and of those 100, most would involve LOF.

DILLIGAF really always had a good natured way and generally a positive message. Good humor, pictures and took a lot of Clipper teasing well.

If you were to randomly pick amongst the others in the Speed threads you're calling "haters", I would bet they have roughly the same average positive to negative as Tom.

The thing you are not acknowledging or are just choosing to ignore is that the bulk of the negatives are directed to ONE individual.
Of that individuals 40,000 posts, I'd bet my Speed car that his percentage of negative to positive is way out of whack compared to the typical member.

The "I only respond in kind" BS from LOF doesn't fly because the negatives directed his way didn't come from nowhere, they originated because of his way.
As I said before, people can't hate information but they can hate the way it's presented.


Personally I don't care, I'm having fun and will continue to have fun.
It's shame that Tom bailed and I think you know there are others also.

 

[Havasu blue label]

And keep up the good work mr orange you make this website great

 

[Singleton]

A lot people with deposits down on the Speed Facebook page that are getting of waiting with no updates.

Does not need to be 60 minutes.
Just a 15-20 minute update on where stuff stands.
Speed did some great videos during the design and design rework based on testing stage.
But since they stated production started (I think was was April, but don’t hold me to it) the updates have not been as good IMO.

 

[Deckin Around]

No ya didn’t..

I feel your pain Dave, I’m watching the same daily battle WITH MY 7 & 9 YEAR OLD.

 

[JLG614]

I agree that is needed at this point.

Agreed. If he would do a video just explaining everything I think alot of people would finally STFU. but then again people will always find something to bitch about. Riding season is getting closer, I really am hoping to see some of these cars driving around havasu and glamis soon

 

[MK1MOD0]

Ok gents. I was checking out the pic of the front suspension pick up points in the aluminum casting. Not sure I’m a big fan. Seems there would be a huge problem if that was damaged. Since I’ve seen just about every type of front end damaged / bent over the years, this may be a good opportunity for someone to come up with a brace/ gusset to make sure the castings are not damaged In an accident.

pic courtesy whiteworks

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ok gents. I was checking out the pic of the front suspension pick up points in the aluminum casting. Not sure I’m a big fan. Seems there would be a huge problem if that was damaged. Since I’ve seen just about every type of front end damaged over the years, this may be a good opportunity for someone to come up with a brace/ gusset to make sure the castings are not damaged .

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The general consensus at this point seems to be if you break a tab off that you will have far bigger problems than just those tabs. This was a feature (or compromise) made to make the suspension arms as long as possible.

The other side of the coin is that if you break that piece, you replace half of the front bulkhead and you are back in business.... not total the car.

I am sure someone will come out with a bolt on brace that may or may not be needed. Speed also has billet bulkheads available.

This is the same front end design that RG uses on his trophy truck.

 

[DLC]

I think your going to rip that arm off way before you break the case.

Now if you run into a block wall your kinda screwed anyway

 

[MonkeyButt70]

This is the same front end design that RG uses on his trophy truck.

The major difference is that RGs is a billet chunk, the Speed is cast. This will be an interesting connection point to watch for sure.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The major difference is that RGs is a billet chunk, the Speed is cast. This will be an interesting connection point to watch for sure.

Indeed.

And who knows how much a front bulkhead half is gonna cost. I know it won’t be cheap. If you see the part in person, it is pretty substantial.

 

[Groper]

The major difference is that RGs is a billet chunk, the Speed is cast. This will be an interesting connection point to watch for sure.

Agreed Craig,

There's a HUGE difference in mass here a Trophy Truck is north of 5000lbs going over twice the speed that multiplies the stresses applied.
I too noticed @Sancho the front differential being used as an upper arm connection point and was surprised to see that, though the upper arm doesn't take the same stresses as the lower arm does.
I'd imagine during the design process this point of connection would have been discussed before moving forward.
We'll find out soon enough when everyone try's to drive these SPEEDUTV's like RG would lol.

 

[EPL]

Agreed Craig,

There's a HUGE difference in mass here a Trophy Truck is north of 5000lbs going over twice the speed that multiplies the stresses applied.
I too noticed @Sancho the front differential being used as an upper arm connection point and was surprised to see that, though the upper arm doesn't take the same stresses as the lower arm does.
I'd imagine during the design process this point of connection would have been discussed before moving forward.
We'll find out soon enough when everyone try's to drive these SPEEDUTV's like RG would lol.

Time and customer use will tell . The one in the Pre Production car that I saw a rode in was billet .

 

[Racer56]

My way of thinking.

Robby mentioned that the complete front differential bulkhead assembly is something like $3,600.00. Based on that, I would guess a case half would be around 1K or less. Since all of the front suspension bolts on the cast bulkhead assembly, a person could repair major crash damage themselves in a home garage. A conventional car like a RZR or a CanAm would take major dollars at a fabrication shop to replace a front clip.

 

[Justsomeguy]

Spotted in orange county. Carry on.

 

[attitude]

I like those colors

 

[Havasu blue label]

Nice looking car

 

[EarpRider]

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Spotted in orange county. Carry on.

Same old ones that they had in Havasu last week, old news.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My way of thinking.

Robby mentioned that the complete front differential bulkhead assembly is something like $3,600.00. Based on that, I would guess a case half would be around 1K or less. Since all of the front suspension bolts on the cast bulkhead assembly, a person could repair major crash damage themselves in a home garage. A conventional car like a RZR or a CanAm would take major dollars at a fabrication shop to replace a front clip.

This. It is a way cheaper repair than ripping the corner of the frame off your typical Can Am or RZR.

 

[Joker]

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Spotted in orange county. Carry on.

This looks like a publicity stunt

 

[baja-chris]

Yawn (to no one in particular), anyone wet their boat lately?

 

[Justsomeguy]

Yawn (to no one in particular), anyone wet their boat lately?

I hope to after tomorrow.

But they say its riding season.

 

[EPL]

This. It is a way cheaper repair than ripping the corner of the frame off your typical Can Am or RZR.

I would think if you hit /crashed hard enough to break one of the bulkheads it would probably do some damage to the frame 1

 

[EPL]

I hope to after tomorrow.

But they say its riding season.

It's riding season for me , getting ready to leave Friday for 2 weeks of fun in the desert !

 

[SKIDMARC]

I can barely make heads or tails of what you are claiming here. I don’t tell others if they don’t have a deposit don’t talk?

I’ve certainly asked people why they care so much how others spend their money.. always crickets. I’ve certainly said if they aren’t a customer, why would Speed cater to their desires?

But then when they don’t agree with you, you tell them not to talk because they don’t have a deposit

Who else are you talking to here then? Are yoreself and I the two hypocrites?

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You keep saying in posts why are so many people so concerned about the speed car when they don’t have one order. It because we are all consumers. Anyone who has a SXS could be a possible buyer. I have a X3. I could be a possible buyer. So in essence we all have a right to our opinion regardless of if we have a car on order or not. RG should be aware of that and so should you. So why keep saying you don’t understand why so many people are concerned. We are all consumers and possible buyers, that’s why.

My honest opinion. I think they will start delivering the cars. But not until mid 2023 at the earliest. And shortly after RG will announce the sale of Speed to Hisum or who ever and the Speed Cars will be at the same standard as a top of the line X3 or RZR. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nothing more special. It’s economics. These cars cost money to build. And the quality will match the competition as well as price. That’s how all auto makers function. And so will Speed at the end if the day.

Of course this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

 

[DLC]

some assembly required

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You keep saying in posts why are so many people so concerned about the speed car when they don’t have one order. It becausewe are all consumers. Anyone who has a SXS could be a possible buyer. I have a X3. I could be a possible buyer. So in essence we all have a right to our opinion regardless of if we have a car on order or not. RG should be aware of that and so should you. So why keep saying you don’t understand why so many people are concerned. We are all consumers and possible buyers, that’s why.

My honest opinion. I think they will start delivering the cars. But not until mid 2023 at the earliest. And shortly after RG will announce the sale of Speed to Hisum or who ever and the Speed Cars will be at the same standard as a top of the line X3 or RZR. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nothing more special. It’s economics. These cars cost money to build. And the quality will match the competition as well as price. That’s how all auto makers function. And so will Speed at the end if the day.

Of course this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

If 2023 deliveries happened at this point there would likely be lawsuits. They have taken payment from customers and by law have a certain amount of days to deliver the car. They are claiming deliveries will begin mid November.

The actual customers are the priority at this point. Not answering to the demands of the unwashed masses. The potential customers will see the cars when they are in actual customers hands.

Few in the USA will buy a Hisun. They will however buy a Hisun with a different branding designed and supported by Robby Gordon and team. Hisun may already own part of Speed as they are the manufacturer of the vehicle, we don’t know. I don’t see Speed gettting bought out based on what the owners have said about where they want to take the company, and where they have been shopping for dealer real estate for their brand.

That said, anything could happen.

 

[mash on it]

That said, anything could happen.

Including the Securities and Exchange Commission.
Fuck around and find out. Will that happen? Probably not.
But anything could happen.

Dan'l

 

[riverroyal]

You keep saying in posts why are so many people so concerned about the speed car when they don’t have one order. It because we are all consumers. Anyone who has a SXS could be a possible buyer. I have a X3. I could be a possible buyer. So in essence we all have a right to our opinion regardless of if we have a car on order or not. RG should be aware of that and so should you. So why keep saying you don’t understand why so many people are concerned. We are all consumers and possible buyers, that’s why.

My honest opinion. I think they will start delivering the cars. But not until mid 2023 at the earliest. And shortly after RG will announce the sale of Speed to Hisum or who ever and the Speed Cars will be at the same standard as a top of the line X3 or RZR. Nothing more. Nothing less. Nothing more special. It’s economics. These cars cost money to build. And the quality will match the competition as well as price. That’s how all auto makers function. And so will Speed at the end if the day.

Of course this is just my opinion and I could be wrong.

I've said this for a year

 

[dirtslinger2]

My way of thinking.

Robby mentioned that the complete front differential bulkhead assembly is something like $3,600.00. Based on that, I would guess a case half would be around 1K or less. Since all of the front suspension bolts on the cast bulkhead assembly, a person could repair major crash damage themselves in a home garage. A conventional car like a RZR or a CanAm would take major dollars at a fabrication shop to replace a front clip.

Sean at Weddle, said that if you were to need to replace any sections of the bulkhead/differential it's best to have someone, like them, do the work to make sure all of the tolerances are set up correctly, or you could cause a lot more damage.

 

[n2otoofast4u]

Only speaking about the arm attachment, as it looks all too familiar.

Most modern snowmobiles are very similar in bulkhead design. There are reinforcement kits for all of them, and are needed in that application in my opinion. Broken bulkheads are VERY common in the sled world!

Simple enough to fix, but it’s labor intensive!

 

[monkeyswrench]

The A-arm mounts seem to be a mild point of contention. I agree with most, if you stuff it hard enough to break them, going to need some tubing work too. The material and process in making the aluminum box makes a big difference. I don't know if it's still the case, but IRL cars had aluminum mounts bolted to aluminum gear boxes.

 

[DBMX]

The A-arm mounts seem to be a mild point of contention. I agree with most, if you stuff it hard enough to break them, going to need some tubing work too. The material and process in making the aluminum box makes a big difference. I don't know if it's still the case, but IRL cars had aluminum mounts bolted to aluminum gear boxes.

The great thing about all the arguing with LOF in this thread is we get to discuss "new" topics on page 80 that were part of arguments back on page 60 or so.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The A-arm mounts seem to be a mild point of contention. I agree with most, if you stuff it hard enough to break them, going to need some tubing work too. The material and process in making the aluminum box makes a big difference. I don't know if it's still the case, but IRL cars had aluminum mounts bolted to aluminum gear boxes.

You are pretty much spot on where they stole this idea from. They just applied it to off road cars.

The billet bulkheads have been around 2 years, the cast for a year. If they have broken one, they have not made it public.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The great thing about all the arguing with LOF in this thread is we get to discuss "new" topics on page 80 that were part of arguments back on page 60 or so.

And page 20 before that.. and were brought up a year before this thread

There are no new arguments. Just new arguers.

 

[outboard_256]

Ok here's a new argument. I don't believe Robby's explanation of how the rear mount broke at the show. What are your thoughts?

Robby's explanation

🏁 West Coast Raptors 🏁 on Instagram: "🚨What do you think?🚨"

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The jump:

#MakeGlamisSafe on Instagram: "Looks like it broke before the jump at @sandsportssupershow"

1,991 likes, 135 comments - boardmanville_glamis on September 17, 2022: "Looks like it broke before the jump at @sandsportssupershow".

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[Singleton]

We debated that already
End result - bad repair and questionable mounts and design change to resolve problem. Yet design change did not look welded correctly.

Need to see real production car to determine if problem was addressed.

Ok here's a new argument. I don't believe Robby's explanation of how the rear mount broke at the show. What are your thoughts?

Robby's explanation

🏁 West Coast Raptors 🏁 on Instagram: "🚨What do you think?🚨"

235 likes, 44 comments - westcoastraptors on September 18, 2022: "🚨What do you think?🚨".

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The jump:

#MakeGlamisSafe on Instagram: "Looks like it broke before the jump at @sandsportssupershow"

1,991 likes, 135 comments - boardmanville_glamis on September 17, 2022: "Looks like it broke before the jump at @sandsportssupershow".

www.instagram.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We debated that already
End result - bad repair and questionable mounts and design change to resolve problem. Yet design change did not look welded correctly.

Need to see real production car to determine if problem was addressed.

This. And the latest cars there had a different mount configuration than the one that broke.

 

[JDKRXW]

Is this aluminium casting part of the front diff housing?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

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Is this aluminium casting part of the front diff housing?

It is the front diff housing.

 

[retaocleg]

Miller Lite tastes great!
.............

 

[Justsomeguy]

Miller Lite tastes great!
.............

And only one more calorie than a Michelob Ultra

 

[EPL]

The billet bulkheads have been around 2 years, the cast for a year. If they have broken one, they have not made it public.

I would think there has been many issues not made to the public , all we can hope for is that they resolve them before they release them to the public !!