Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[JDKRXW]

Only speaking about the arm attachment, as it looks all too familiar.

Most modern snowmobiles are very similar in bulkhead design. There are reinforcement kits for all of them, and are needed in that application in my opinion. Broken bulkheads are VERY common in the sled world!

Simple enough to fix, but it’s labor intensive!

You're right, there's a lot of work in replacing a bulkhead (half or full) in a sled but it's doable and the cost of parts isn't outrageous and none of the powertrain is involved. I haven't done it, but I'm familiar with non-AC Yamahas.
If you're adding in the diff housing and r&r'ing all the parts in it like this appears to be -- that's a different ballgame.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I would think there has been many issues not made to the public , all we can hope for is that they resolve them before they release them to the public !!

Certainly. I’m pretty sure this bulkhead is not one of them at this point. They have gone through multiple revisions.

Can Ams are not even double shear in the entire front end of the car. You have to buy a front end brace to keep the car together. Polaris are double shear with small steel tabs that bend or rip off in a wreck. The new ProR style suspensions break the lower front shock mount.

If you bend or break a suspension mount point on any of these cars you have bigger problems and aren’t getting back on 4 wheels anyway.

Being worried about the cost of replacement is moot, because 99% of the people here would go through insurance and have their Can Am or Polaris totaled for frame damage anyway.

It’s not like any RDPr is going to be out on the trail welding their Polaris or Can Am back together.

 

[Warlock1]

Can we please move on from the front diff, Lord you guys are just nit picking the hell out of this thing. Will it break? yes, with enough force anything will break. Which is why I leave shit up to the Engineers so that they can design a piece that will stand up to X number of force upon impact. Sure Speed could have stuck a block of aluminum in there and it wouldn't break if you threw it off a cliff. These pieces are designed to optimize all factors, some factors more than others. Hate him or not, RG has a lot of experience with breaking shit and making it better. He is no different than any other chassis builders when it comes to knowledge and know how. Until you know the design specs of that piece verses all of the other pieces attached to it and their failure points. Your concerns are nominal. Maybe he designed the suspension to fold first, maybe he didn't. I wasn't in the design room when he dreamed this up. I don't think there will be near as many failures as what most people believe. If there is it will be because people ran out of talent way before they have reached the limits of this machine in any situation EXCEPT an accident. I would also expect that if a failure does occur he will investigate it to find the root cause and have that corrected as well. be it a design change, process change or QA change. And no I don't have one on order because I am an unemployed, broke MF'er. LOL

 

[MK1MOD0]

Can we please move on from the front diff, Lord you guys are just nit picking the hell out of this thing. Will it break? yes, with enough force anything will break. Which is why I leave shit up to the Engineers so that they can design a piece that will stand up to X number of force upon impact. Sure Speed could have stuck a block of aluminum in there and it wouldn't break if you threw it off a cliff. These pieces are designed to optimize all factors, some factors more than others. Hate him or not, RG has a lot of experience with breaking shit and making it better. He is no different than any other chassis builders when it comes to knowledge and know how. Until you know the design specs of that piece verses all of the other pieces attached to it and their failure points. Your concerns are nominal. Maybe he designed the suspension to fold first, maybe he didn't. I wasn't in the design room when he dreamed this up. I don't think there will be near as many failures as what most people believe. If there is it will be because people ran out of talent way before they have reached the limits of this machine in any situation EXCEPT an accident. I would also expect that if a failure does occur he will investigate it to find the root cause and have that corrected as well. be it a design change, process change or QA change. And no I don't have one on order because I am an unemployed, broke MF'er. LOL

So now we’re not allowed to talk about, or debate any features on the car ? Ok.

 

[stonehenge]

If the first 2000 units to be produced are all 4 seaters, how does anyone think they are getting their low number 2 seater anytime soon?

That 2000 number came outa RWG and Todds mouth on several occasions?

Please advise, thank you.


...and LOF, todays lottery numbers also. thx

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If the first 2000 units to be produced are all 4 seaters, how does anyone think they are getting their low number 2 seater anytime soon?

That 2000 number came outa RWG and Todds mouth on several occasions?

Please advise, thank you.


...and LOF, todays lottery numbers also. thx

Well there are 2 factories coming online to build these. But they have said for about 2 years that the 4 seaters will be out first.

What is actually gonna happen, we don’t know. There is certainly some desire to get a least 500 2 seaters out there as they are needed to homologate them for competition, but something like 75% of their orders are 4 seaters.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So now we’re not allowed to talk about, or debate any features on the car ? Ok.

I think what he is saying is that the armchair chassis engineers in here are just like the armchair CFOs in here. They don’t even have enough information to formulate an opinion beyond a WAG on the car, it’s weak points Speed's financial position, their investors or business plans.

 

[retaocleg]

And only one more calorie than a Michelob Ultra

lol........i was looking for a "less filling"
that comment prolly dates me as a geezer

 

[Justsomeguy]

lol........i was looking for a "less filling"
that comment prolly dates me as a geezer

Ah yes, tastes great, less filling. The new one is one more calorie than Michelob ultra. It's a running joke with some friends now.

 

[retaocleg]

Ah yes, tastes great, less filling. The new one is one more calorie than Michelob ultra. It's a running joke with some friends now.

i actually thought i might me dating myself........only the old guys remember

 

[JDKRXW]

I think what he is saying is that the armchair chassis engineers in here are just like the armchair CFOs in here. They don’t even have enough information to formulate an opinion beyond a WAG on the car, it’s weak points Speed's financial position, their investors or business plans.

It seems to me that you're the only one saying this.
But that's just me.

 

[Nordie]

Remember that time these things were being built in Texas, and now everyone is waiting for them to ship from China?

Also fucking save it with the built on multiple continents BS, when someone touted that wasn't the case, but is now saying that's the case.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Remember that time these things were being built in Texas, and now everyone is waiting for them to ship from China?

Also fucking save it with the built on multiple continents BS, when someone touted that wasn't the case, but is now saying that's the case.

Why so bitter? Things change, it happens.

It’s a win for actual customers waiting for cars that there is enough demand to build them out of 2 factories.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It seems to me that you're the only one saying this.
But that's just me.

81 pages of people other than me making assumptions, guesses, and prognostications… some have been right, some have been wrong.

None of us know much more than what has been said publicly.

 

[Nordie]

Why so bitter? Things change, it happens.

It’s a win for actual customers waiting for cars that there is enough demand to build them out of 2 factories.

You've spent like 2 years making fun of people telling them that they will be assembled in Texas. Suddenly you're waiting for the slow boat from China.

I'm definitely not bitter, just gotta call it like I see it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You've spent like 2 years making fun of people telling them that they will be assembled in Texas. Suddenly you're waiting for the slow boat from China.

I'm definitely not bitter, just gotta call it like I see it

That is fine.. I didn't buy the car to tell them where and how to assemble it. I don't care where the parts come from or where it is assembled. I have said that for 2 years as well.

They said they would be assembled in Texas at first. They made a business decision to change where they are assembled, at least for now. They will also be assembling them in Mexico.

They were pretty vocal last year that Texas presented a logistical challenge for them being that most of their orders were in the Southwest US.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Remember that time these things were being built in Texas, and now everyone is waiting for them to ship from China?

Also fucking save it with the built on multiple continents BS, when someone touted that wasn't the case, but is now saying that's the case.

They only built the first 75-100 there, the rest are being assembled in Texas.

Not sure what you are getting at with the different continents, parts of the Speed are built in multiple continents, and it's not a new thing.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Am I the only one that finds RG's explanation for the failure odd? Maybe he's slowed down a lot the past few years. I just remember him driving a trophy truck like it didn't even have a brake pedal.
Maybe he didn't want to throw the welder that fixed it under the bus. I just can't see him landing on the brakes.

 

[buck35]

81 pages of people other than me making assumptions, guesses, and prognostications.

And u still are the all knowing man behind the curtain. Come on man!

 

[hallett21]

I just went on the speed website for the first time lol.

Could you just buy one with a CC? Looks like the deposit can be taken that way?

Good to see those who should be worried aren’t and those that shouldn’t be worried are.

 

[jesco]

Am I the only one that finds RG's explanation for the failure odd? Maybe he's slowed down a lot the past few years. I just remember him driving a trophy truck like it didn't even have a brake pedal.
Maybe he didn't want to throw the welder that fixed it under the bus. I just can't see him landing on the brakes.

Funny story... met a guy years ago who did all the plumbing on Robbies trucks... he was introduced that way to me... "This is Robbies plumber..." I said "Plumber???" he replied "All the stainless hard lines, like the brake lines...". I said back "He has brakes in his truck...?"

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Logistics will be less challenging from China? or even Mexico? It seems to me any importing of a product would be significantly more logistically challenging than moving that product from the south central US to the southwest US. Did logistics change getting vehicles from Texas to AZ/CA in the past 3 years? Something they did not foresee?

I have no idea. My guess is that since China is where many of the parts originate, it was more expedient to finish revisions on parts and start assembly there. They can replicate that assembly line anywhere else once they get it figured out. I think China assembly is a temporary stop gap personally.

They had been talking about building another factory to build these in, probably in AZ that was closer to their customer base. Then a few months later this factory in Mexico popped up. Maybe that is the solution? That seems easier and cheaper than shipping the parts from overseas, hauling parts half way across the country to be assembled in TX, only to haul the finished vehicles most of the way back across the country.

At the end of the day, I don’t think they will
be choosing an option that will cost them more per car to assemble and delivery. Right now they may not care, as they just want to begin getting them delivered, but that will change as they go forward I’m sure.

 

[Singleton]

They only built the first 75-100 there, the rest are being assembled in Texas.

Not sure what you are getting at with the different continents, parts of the Speed are built in multiple continents, and it's not a new thing.

RG did say in the post race, “we have EPA which will allow PARTs to be imported”.
I just wonder why they would do this. Huge import tariff on parts from China. Completed SXS have a much lower tariff and are in process of being excluded from tariffs when built in China.

With the already thin margins, the continual costs have to be stressing the company.

 

[monkeyswrench]

RG did say in the post race, “we have EPA which will allow PARTs to be imported”.
I just wonder why they would do this. Huge import tariff on parts from China. Completed SXS have a much lower tariff and are in process of being excluded from tariffs when built in China.

With the already thin margins, the continual costs have to be stressing the company.

How might that apply to parts shipped into Mexico, then imported into the US? Could that be advantageous?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

How might that apply to parts shipped into Mexico, then imported into the US? Could that be advantageous?

Well regardless of where it is assembled, they can’t even sell the OEM replacement parts if the stuff was not EPA approved I don’t believe.

 

[Singleton]

How might that apply to parts shipped into Mexico, then imported into the US? Could that be advantageous?

Figuring that is what everyone else does, I think this is the process Speed is headed down the road.
The tariffs are less when parts go China to Mexico then completed car goes Mexico to US.

replacement OEM parts will still have tariff, but everyone deals with that.

 

[Singleton]

Well regardless of where it is assembled, they can’t even sell the OEM replacement parts if the stuff was not EPA approved I don’t believe.

Only select parts require EPA (usually fuel, emission, engine). The diff everyone was moaning about earlier, does not need EPA certs to be imported. Just has the tariff (Which all SXS companies have).

 

[JayBreww]

What if Robby is just the man behind the name, and the cars are actually a Hisun model? And it’s really Hisun holding things up?
No different than Artic Cat using Robby as the designer and branding?

 

[Singleton]

What if Robby is just the man behind the name, and the cars are actually a Hisun model? And it’s really Hisun holding things up?
No different than Artic Cat using Robby as the designer and branding?

Hisun not holding anything Up, besides increasing production runs until all certs have been received.
EPA cert and CARB cert needed no matter who it is. Both of these certs should be done in October.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

What if Robby is just the man behind the name, and the cars are actually a Hisun model? And it’s really Hisun holding things up?
No different than Artic Cat using Robby as the designer and branding?

Speed could be getting paid to design the car and has distribution rights to it.. who knows. I don’t think this is the case but none of us know.

The cars are a Hisun model. They are made by Hisun.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hisun not holding anything Up, besides increasing production runs until all certs have been received.
EPA cert and CARB cert needed no matter who it is. Both of these certs should be done in October.

If this is true why are we arguing about when the cars will be delivered again?

If we are going with your assumption, Hisun is going to uncork production now essentially and there will be a glut of cars in 2-3 months time.

 

[Singleton]

If this is true why are we arguing about when the cars will be delivered again?

If we are going with your assumption, Hisun is going to uncork production now essentially and there will be a glut of cars in 2-3 months time.

Once certs have been approved, Hisun should be increasing production speed (units per day) and runs (number of units built before the line is reconfigured for another model). based on demand (orders being sent from Speed). As new orders slow down, production runs go down. Assuming Speed owns it and Hisun is the manufacture partner only, speed is not going to order inventory to be produced unless they have a committed order. If Hisun works like any of my manufacturing customers, speed has to pay a deposit when they submit the order to be built and pay balance due when delivered to Speed.

Based on your November delivery date, I picked October.

 

[ZSTIV]

Spoke to Carla today, she said RG will be doing a live show tonight to update everyone with where they're. fingers crossed it good news!

 

[Santee_Native]

 

[HCP3]

 

[dirtslinger2]

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LOL, thats me

 

[That Guy]

Miller Lite tastes great!
.............

Less filling....

 

[srttruck]

LOL, thats me

Ya it was. Lol

 

[Sportin' Wood]

Bought a CanAm over the summer and had the owner store it for a few weeks so I could experience the anticipation Speed owners have to get their cars. My patience wore out, and I went and picked it up today. The damn thing is a foot too long for my trailer; I need to buy helmets and headsets, but otherwise ready to hit the trails when it cools down. I'm not sure I could wait as long as some of you for a car.

 

[dirtslinger2]

Bought a CanAm over the summer and had the owner store it for a few weeks so I could experience the anticipation Speed owners have to get their cars. My patience wore out, and I went and picked it up today. The damn thing is a foot too long for my trailer; I need to buy helmets and headsets, but otherwise ready to hit the trails when it cools down. I'm not sure I could wait as long as some of you for a car.

Some of us haven't been waiting for the Speed so that we had something to offroad in., but if you sold, thinking you would have it a year ago, I'd be pissed.

 

[retaocleg]

Less filling....

you fulfilled my day!

 

[EPL]

RG is suppose to be on FB live at 7pm tonight , lets hope he can answer some of the questions every one has !!

 

[JayBreww]

Heard he’s going to announce his new Speed Product, the Speed Jet Ski.

 

[attitude]

Can RG brand Speed Boats? Lol

 

[grumpy88]

Heard he’s going to announce his new Speed Product, the Speed Jet Ski.

Maybe it will be a introductory offer on his get rich quick seminar ! Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Maybe it will be a introductory offer on his get rich quick seminar ! Lol

How to swindle people out of $10m while spending $20m to do it.

 

[grumpy88]

How to swindle people out of $10m while spending $20m to do it.

That's why it was just a joke . I completely agree . I think he is a bad business man but definitely not a swindler .

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That's why it was just a joke . I completely agree . I think he is a bad business man but definitely not a swindler .

I would not even go that far. He seems to have several reasonably successful businesses. - energy drink, SST series, RC cars, tools, etc.

Maybe you could argue he is bad at promotion, but to do what they have done in 3 years, 2 of which were in a pandemic while designing an entire vehicle and launching an entire brand that is ready to debut a final product for sale is pretty impressive.

I’m not saying they were perfect but how many automotive related startups went from paper to a sellable product that is at least competitive with the top players in the industry in 3 years?

 

[EarpRider]

I would not even go that far. He seems to have several reasonably successful businesses. - energy drink, SST series, RC cars, tools, etc.

Maybe you could argue he is bad at promotion, but to do what they have done in 3 years, 2 of which were in a pandemic while designing an entire vehicle and launching an entire brand that is ready to debut a final product for sale is pretty impressive.

I’m not saying they were perfect but how many automotive related startups went from paper to a sellable product that is at least competitive with the top players in the industry in 3 years?

Has anyone ever bought Speed Energy drink?

 

[Singleton]

I would not even go that far. He seems to have several reasonably successful businesses. - energy drink, SST series, RC cars, tools, etc.

Maybe you could argue he is bad at promotion, but to do what they have done in 3 years, 2 of which were in a pandemic while designing an entire vehicle and launching an entire brand that is ready to debut a final product for sale is pretty impressive.

I’m not saying they were perfect but how many automotive related startups went from paper to a sellable product that is at least competitive with the top players in the industry in 3 years?

I would not go that far. His social networking / marketing has sold 3+k direct deposits and a loyal following.
I think he had a vision, starting marketing / selling deposits and then realized how complex it was going to be to execute it. His biggest downfall was overpromising release dates and then missing those dates, I also dont think at the beginning he thought the demand would grow as it has.