Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[PaPaG]

Now you want to argue about what orders, order fulfillment, sales pipelines, and commits are. Robby Gordon told me the sky will be orange at sunset guys.

If you do not like what I post, Just hit IGNORE lol lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We have lift off.....

It will end in another crash landing..

 

[That Guy]

It will end in another crash landing..

Undoubtedly.....

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If you do not like what I post, Just hit IGNORE lol lol

Its it too much fun reveling in the irony.

 

[Canuck 1]

A Canadian and a hoarder of hats walk into a Speed dealership....

The Canadian can pay cash..... but there is nothing to buy

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The Canadian can pay cash..... but there is nothing to buy

They would tell you to go down the street and buy an unusable Can Am with no gauge cluster from Canuckistan

 

[Canuck 1]

They would tell you to go down the street and buy an unusable Can Am with no gauge cluster from Canuckistan

So would that count as a sale? Half a billion + 1?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So would that count as a sale? Half a billion + 1?

Head over to the Dollar General with that Canadian +$1. They will have something in yore price range.

 

[RCDave]

Question. Do they have insurance backing a warranty or funds set aside?

 

[ZSTIV]

All of this "extensive" testing and delaying the car largely so they could get everything right and they are just now finding this issue?

Makes you wonder what other issues will surface with time and the financial impact that could have as RVR SWPR mentioned above.

One issue like this where they have to do a replacement of something on all cars already built (warranty) and that could hurt.

They stated they have not had this problem at all throughout the last two years of testing… chill lol It was in the production process where the curvature of the plastic was the same as the check ball. It was also in extreme heat situations. They said it was 116 out during the day and 105 at night. They were running the car for hours for durability testing.
Issues will surface, it’s a production SxS…
Glad they were able to find the issue and address it before cars were delivered.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

They stated they have not had this problem at all throughout the last two years of testing… chill lol It was in the production process where the curvature of the plastic was the same as the check ball. It was also in extreme heat situations. They said it was 116 out during the day and 105 at night. They were running the car for hours for durability testing.
Issues will surface, it’s a production SxS…
Glad they were able to find the issue and address it before cars were delivered.

All of this "extensive" testing and delaying the car largely so they could get everything right and they are just now finding this issue?

Makes you wonder what other issues will surface with time and the financial impact that could have as RVR SWPR mentioned above.

One issue like this where they have to do a replacement of something on all cars already built (warranty) and that could hurt.

Polaris and Can Am would have just built the car delivered it anyway and issued a stop sale. There were numerous issues and a stop sale for the Pro R... and it was over 1 year late to market.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Question. Do they have insurance backing a warranty or funds set aside

Probably not, They are just waiting for Hisun to buy them out steal the design, and buldoze the Hastings building to build rack storage.

Yes they said they do.

 

[RCDave]

Probably not, They are just waiting for Hisun to buy them out steal the design, and buldoze the Hastings building to build rack storage.

Yes they said they do.

Thanks for the answer

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m not going to get into cost & numbers,but gotta hope RG & Speed are prepared for the cost and ability to handle the NORMAL warranty exposure for 100s / 1000s of cars in the next 5 years. Seriously mean NORMAL warranty. We talking pounding the crap out of these vehicles in the desert. Cannot imagine the cost to GM, Ford, all them for the bumper to bumper warranty on cars running up & down smooth highways year after year?

These cars come with a 6 month warranty. You can purchase up to 2 years of extended warranty.

To your point, I am certain they built that cost into the cost of the cars.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Thanks for the answer

I have no idea how much or what % failure rates they are banking on. They are holding back 25% more parts than was recommended for spares and repairs.

 

[Canuck 1]

Head over to the Dollar General with that Canadian +$1. They will have something in yore price range.

Do they sell Speed cars? Or are they waiting on this mythical machine too

 

[Canuck 1]

I have no idea how much or what % failure rates they are banking on. They are holding back 25% more parts than was recommended for spares and repairs.

The only truthful statement you have ever made

 

[ZSTIV]

Do they sell Speed cars? Or are they waiting on this mythical machine too

Mythical? Lol

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The only truthful statement you have ever made

Since you follow every word, what does that say about you?

 

[RVR SWPR]

These cars come with a 6 month warranty. You can purchase up to 2 years of extended warranty.

To your point, I am certain they built that cost into the cost of the cars.

I was not indicating each car 5 year warranty. Thinking cars produced & sold year after year. RG no doubt has long term plans for himself and Speed. If ever a one man show RG & Speed defines “One Man Show”. There should be no doubt the quality and performance of the car about to be delivered,but still one hell of undertaking especially these past few years.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

These cars come with a 6 month warranty. You can purchase up to 2 years of extended warranty.

To your point, I am certain they built that cost into the cost of the cars.

Didn’t they say the transmission isn’t covered? If so that’s going to get expensive for the new owners!

 

[dirtslinger2]

Didn’t they say the transmission isn’t covered? If so that’s going to get expensive for the new owners!

No, he said the "Dogs" weren't covered, as they can be rounded off from abuse and or not shifting on the fly correctly

 

[Canuck 1]

Since you follow every word, what does that say about you?

It says that I still have not seen these cars on a showroom floor, have you? Has anyone? .

Come on great pumpkin, fill us in

 

[Lavey5150]

It says that I still have not seen these cars on a showroom floor, have you? Has anyone? .

Come on great pumpkin, fill us in

C'mon that's asking a lot don't ya think. ......

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Didn’t they say the transmission isn’t covered? If so that’s going to get expensive for the new owners!

No they never said that, but they said abuse won’t be covered, which seems standard across the board, and as noted, it is specific to dog wear in the trans. But yea if they deem you abused it after it breaks, I’m sure that isn’t cheap.

Like I said, I am wary of the trans and only plan on shifting at low throttle in and out of OD. Otherwise I’ll just stop like I do now with the RZR to get from L to H.

Thy have said if you are familiar with motorcycle shifting, you will pick it right up. I’ve driven faceplated/dog box H pattern cars but not sequential shift.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It says that I still have not seen these cars on a showroom floor, have you? Has anyone? .

Come on great pumpkin, fill us in

Seems like now you are the one with no idea. Read the thread to be filled Canuck Cupcake.

 

[outboard_256]

No they never said that, but they said abuse won’t be covered, which seems standard across the board, and as noted, it is specific to dog wear in the trans. But yea if they deem you abused it after it breaks, I’m sure that isn’t cheap.

Like I said, I am wary of the trans and only plan on shifting at low throttle in and out of OD. Otherwise I’ll just stop like I do now with the RZR to get from L to H.

Thy have said if you are familiar with motorcycle shifting, you will pick it right up. I’ve driven faceplated/dog box H pattern cars but not sequential shift.

I can see familiar with motorcycle shifting helping but you have a clutch that takes much of the abuse for beginners. With no clutch slipping the dogs are going to take those non-rpm matched shifts loads.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I can see familiar with motorcycle shifting helping but you have a clutch that takes much of the abuse for beginners. With no clutch slipping the dogs are going to take those non-rpm matched shifts loads.

Exactly. And They have said there will be a learning curve for beginners. Or just don’t shift on the fly. There are going to be some people crying about their transmissions after a season of no lift shifts I’m sure.

There is no reason to be that aggressive when you also have a CVT. The belt can slip to take some of that load as well, but that kills the belt over time.

In theory the dogs will take that shifting load, but they are a wear item in the trans.

 

[Lavey5150]

RG doesn't lift, why would his loyal follower's

 

[Taboma]

No they never said that, but they said abuse won’t be covered, which seems standard across the board, and as noted, it is specific to dog wear in the trans. But yea if they deem you abused it after it breaks, I’m sure that isn’t cheap.

Like I said, I am wary of the trans and only plan on shifting at low throttle in and out of OD. Otherwise I’ll just stop like I do now with the RZR to get from L to H.

Thy have said if you are familiar with motorcycle shifting, you will pick it right up. I’ve driven faceplated/dog box H pattern cars but not sequential shift.

Curious, reading the comment about starting off in 3rd having the potential of causing belt wear, is this wear worse or comparable to starting in high vs low in a RZR as an example ?

 

[SeanRitchie]

This might as well be a good time for me to jump in on this train wreck of a thread.

I am Sean at Weddle. I helped the Speed UTV engineers perfect some the design features of the gearbox, although the majority of it was done at Albins, we just went through the designs with a fine tooth comb to make sure there wasn't going to be any major failure points.

The deal is that any Speed UTV gearbox or diffs will be coming here to Weddle for service, so I made damn sure these weren't going to be coming here for poor quality workmanship and cheap parts failures. I fix enough of that on all the other manufactures transmissions already, I don't need any more right now, we don't have the manpower. (Actually not true, we are pretty well caught up on UTV service right now, so hit me up if you want to send your trans or diff in for prep)

I have been through a few of the pre-production transmissions and diffs, and I can confidently say these will hold up just fine under normal conditions. I made a short report of small things to fix which have already been done on the production units.

Regarding shifting on the fly, Robby detailed it pretty well in his Instagram videos over the past few days. You DO NOT need to shift these on the fly if you don't want to. You can still put them in whatever gear you need, then let the CVT/Belt do the work, that is what it is designed for. Go out to the dunes, put it in 2nd and let it rip just like a Polaris or Can-Am.

If you decide to be like Robby race car driver and start throwing the shifter around without knowing or understanding how to shift properly, I will be sending you the bill to replace the dogs, gears, shift forks, and whatever else got damaged from poor shifting. This is not a warranty component based on improper use.

I am confident that the gears and dogs are capable of handling shifting on the fly with proper technique, so are our Albins and Weddle sequential transaxles, yet there are still people out there that manage to tear them up simply because they don't have the proper technique on shifting.

I wish I had the extra money to put in a deposit early on and get one of these things in my hands. They are going to be killer.

 

[SeanRitchie]

Curious, reading the comment about starting off in 3rd having the potential of causing belt wear, is this wear worse or comparable to starting in high vs low in a RZR as an example ?

Can't really be compared to any other manufacture since they don't have any gears as high as 3rd gear will be in the Speed.

Bottom line is that it will be harder on the belt as the CVT has to work much harder to accelerate the car in a higher gear. Think of having to put a manual car in high gear and letting the clutch out to get rolling. You are typically going to smoke a clutch accelerate through that tall gear.

 

[Taboma]

Can't really be compared to any other manufacture since they don't have any gears as high as 3rd gear will be in the Speed.

Bottom line is that it will be harder on the belt as the CVT has to work much harder to accelerate the car in a higher gear. Think of having to put a manual car in high gear and letting the clutch out to get rolling. You are typically going to smoke a clutch accelerate through that tall gear.

Thanks, didn't realize 3rd in this case was so high, got it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This might as well be a good time for me to jump in on this train wreck of a thread.

I am Sean at Weddle. I helped the Speed UTV engineers perfect some the design features of the gearbox, although the majority of it was done at Albins, we just went through the designs with a fine tooth comb to make sure there wasn't going to be any major failure points.

The deal is that any Speed UTV gearbox or diffs will be coming here to Weddle for service, so I made damn sure these weren't going to be coming here for poor quality workmanship and cheap parts failures. I fix enough of that on all the other manufactures transmissions already, I don't need any more right now, we don't have the manpower. (Actually not true, we are pretty well caught up on UTV service right now, so hit me up if you want to send your trans or diff in for prep)

I have been through a few of the pre-production transmissions and diffs, and I can confidently say these will hold up just fine under normal conditions. I made a short report of small things to fix which have already been done on the production units.

Regarding shifting on the fly, Robby detailed it pretty well in his Instagram videos over the past few days. You DO NOT need to shift these on the fly if you don't want to. You can still put them in whatever gear you need, then let the CVT/Belt do the work, that is what it is designed for. Go out to the dunes, put it in 2nd and let it rip just like a Polaris or Can-Am.

If you decide to be like Robby race car driver and start throwing the shifter around without knowing or understanding how to shift properly, I will be sending you the bill to replace the dogs, gears, shift forks, and whatever else got damaged from poor shifting. This is not a warranty component based on improper use.

I am confident that the gears and dogs are capable of handling shifting on the fly with proper technique, so are our Albins and Weddle sequential transaxles, yet there are still people out there that manage to tear them up simply because they don't have the proper technique on shifting.

I wish I had the extra money to put in a deposit early on and get one of these things in my hands. They are going to be killer.

Thank you Sean for coming into this circus and dropping some real information. That is great info.

 

[Lavey5150]

Thank you Sean for coming into this circus and dropping some real information. That is great info.

As opposed to mountains of conjecture administered daily by RG's loyal ball hanging minions.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

As opposed to mountains of conjecture administered daily by RG's loyal ball hanging minions.

You better pull your pants up.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

The thing that cracks me up about this thread is I'd bet 99.99% of the guys talking shit on each other in here would be buds on the river/dunes sharing beers and hanging out.

 

[DLC]

Welcome aboard!

Thank you for your input on the Speed Circus Thread !

It’s nice to know that the transmission has been looked at by a few people that are TOP Notch in their industry.

This might as well be a good time for me to jump in on this train wreck of a thread.

I am Sean at Weddle. I helped the Speed UTV engineers perfect some the design features of the gearbox, although the majority of it was done at Albins, we just went through the designs with a fine tooth comb to make sure there wasn't going to be any major failure points.

The deal is that any Speed UTV gearbox or diffs will be coming here to Weddle for service, so I made damn sure these weren't going to be coming here for poor quality workmanship and cheap parts failures. I fix enough of that on all the other manufactures transmissions already, I don't need any more right now, we don't have the manpower. (Actually not true, we are pretty well caught up on UTV service right now, so hit me up if you want to send your trans or diff in for prep)

I have been through a few of the pre-production transmissions and diffs, and I can confidently say these will hold up just fine under normal conditions. I made a short report of small things to fix which have already been done on the production units.

Regarding shifting on the fly, Robby detailed it pretty well in his Instagram videos over the past few days. You DO NOT need to shift these on the fly if you don't want to. You can still put them in whatever gear you need, then let the CVT/Belt do the work, that is what it is designed for. Go out to the dunes, put it in 2nd and let it rip just like a Polaris or Can-Am.

If you decide to be like Robby race car driver and start throwing the shifter around without knowing or understanding how to shift properly, I will be sending you the bill to replace the dogs, gears, shift forks, and whatever else got damaged from poor shifting. This is not a warranty component based on improper use.

I am confident that the gears and dogs are capable of handling shifting on the fly with proper technique, so are our Albins and Weddle sequential transaxles, yet there are still people out there that manage to tear them up simply because they don't have the proper technique on shifting.

I wish I had the extra money to put in a deposit early on and get one of these things in my hands. They are going to be killer.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The thing that cracks me up about this thread is I'd bet 99.99% of the guys talking shit on each other in here would be buds on the river/dunes sharing beers and hanging out.

Truth.

 

[Heylam]

Now, if you could just post some facts o the house market thread, LOF could get some rest. Keyboards probably just about ready to give up the ghost anyway.

 

[RVR SWPR]

The thing that cracks me up about this thread is I'd bet 99.99% of the guys talking shit on each other in here would be buds on the river/dunes sharing beers and hanging out.

Conflict between PaPaG and LOF obvious “Generation Gap”. PaPaG speaks from real life experience, countless cycles and past & recent data etc.
LOF appears he speaks from day to day money market information and the necessity of getting it right today not down the road. Maybe his job or business depends on his immediate decisions everyday. If not for the bullshit in this thread both these guys have a lot in common,Mostly success. WTF,12 years ago pretty sure PaPaG had a nice vacation mobil home at Pirates before new Pirates was created. LoL, we drove by one day he even waved. These days PPG just finished the build on their private river front home and private dock. All indications LOF doing just fine year to year.
Settle down guys.

 

[Bpracing1127]

The thing that cracks me up about this thread is I'd bet 99.99% of the guys talking shit on each other in here would be buds on the river/dunes sharing beers and hanging out.

I will tell you LOF is a a hole in real life too lol


Naw jk. Guy is straight up a good guy and will do a lot for a lot of people without hesitation

 

[Heylam]

Nothing more then a classic pissing contest. Problem is, they’re both pissing into the wind.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nothing more then a classic pissing contest. Problem is, they’re both pissing into the wind.

It’s weird that dude after dude comes in here and is talking shit about waiting for a product they aren’t even waiting for… and when questioned act offended and say they only wish for success

 

[Heylam]

I definitely hope for success, but just find it funny how you take every post so personal and challenge everything said. I hope you don’t stroke out or have the big one before you take delivery.

 

[riverroyal]

I'm sure it's been talked about in the past 35 pages but is anyone concerned about warranty work...down time, part replacement.... there is no network - going to be a ground up movement and they are having these huge delays in production.... warranty and service are a whole different beast to manage. It's one this to wait for something when you haven't paid for it ....it's another when you pay 45K or so and you wait maybe months for a part or warranty stuff.....
Has RG spoken about this?

This is why im a possible buyer in 2 or 3 years AFTER its in someone's garage.
If i pay 15k more so be it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I definitely hope for success, but just find it funny how you take every post so personal and challenge everything said. I hope you don’t stroke out or have the big one before you take delivery.

I don’t take any of this personal. Why would I?

If the trolls want to call me names, They are already gassed. It is just a matter of time before they get mad and stomp off.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

This is why im a possible buyer in 2 or 3 years AFTER its in someone's garage.
If i pay 15k more so be it

At this point if you don’t get a car for cheap, I’d just wait too. Once they are more plentiful and they catch up they probably won’t go for much of a premium.

 

[Havasu blue label]

do you have your car on the trailer

 

[DLC]

Honestly I don’t understand the negativity on the Actual “ Speed Car”. The deposit was $1,500 on early cars that are listed as 30 or $32,000
My can am max was $31,000 in 2018

a 2022 can am max has an MSRP at $34,999 today! Plus dealer fees and BS

I believe it would already be released if it wasn’t for covid and all the delays and BS - We All had to deal with - remote learning / schooling, essential business, vac shots… the list goes on and on

I also think Covid actually made this car better Due to the delays… more time for testing, development, engineering rather than rushing to get the car to market - your getting a better car now instead of a gen 1 / gen 2 car Or a gen 3 car