Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[merc_400r]

first thing I noticed in the pic was the gap between the two tubes. are these chassis MIG welded rathe than TIG welded? not that it matters, a gap is still a gap. lol

Nothing a bolt won't fill

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

first thing I noticed in the pic was the gap between the two tubes. are these chassis MIG welded rathe than TIG welded? not that it matters, a gap is still a gap. lol

Robot MIG.

 

[Riverryder]

Robot MIG.

What’s he deal with the hisun vehicle?
Or they copying it then gonna make your cars?
Robby wasn’t in any of this pictures

 

[dirtslinger2]

What’s he deal with the hisun vehicle?
Or they copying it then gonna make your cars?
Robby wasn’t in any of this pictures

The car was always being assembled by Hisun, so nothing has changed here, except the "possible" location of the assembly factory.

Looking at these pictures, this appears to be one of the first pre-production cars, and was sent over to the Mx Factory. Why? I couldn't say, but I'd guess, as a show piece of what they are doing.
Couple things that stand out as it being a Speed car, vs. a copied Speed by Hisun.
It's got orange suspension, king springs, RG wheels, Speed tires, and in one of the pics you can make out part of the S, on the speed logo on the shocks.

So, I'm guessing they thru on the H on the front and restiched some seats for the big event in Mx, but I'm just taking a wild guess.

 

[Riverryder]

@dirtslinger2 i I see that but it this was a event to promote the factory. The car should have both brands and he should be there in the pictures no?
Hisun has always made knocks of other company’s correct?
Seems shady. Better fo us that missed out if they copy it haha. Will be cheaper and same thing as this go around they are gonna make the original car and before they were copying another brand?

Anyone looking for videos and the pictures they are on Instagram
@mrikelme

 

[dirtslinger2]

@dirtslinger2 i I see that but it this was a event to promote the factory. The car should have both brands and he should be there in the pictures no?
Hisun has always made knocks of other company’s correct?
Seems shady. Better fo us that missed out if they copy it haha. Will be cheaper and same thing as this go around they are gonna make the original car and before they were copying another brand?

This was posted by the governor or mayor of the state in Mx. It wasn't an event to promote the Speed car, it was an event to celebrate the new Hisun factory. So I don't think the car needed to be branded as a Speed. In the full instagram posts and story, they appear to promote a different model more than the "Speed" car.

I have no idea what Hisun has made, I had never even heard of them before this Speed car.

Honestly, we are all just speculating, Me, you, and LOF.

 

[CLdrinker]

Lol bait and switch you guys are all getting Hisun’s

Wouldn’t that be some shit.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The car was always being assembled by Hisun, so nothing has changed here, except the "possible" location of the assembly factory.

Looking at these pictures, this appears to be one of the first pre-production cars, and was sent over to the Mx Factory. Why? I couldn't say, but I'd guess, as a show piece of what they are doing.
Couple things that stand out as it being a Speed car, vs. a copied Speed by Hisun.
It's got orange suspension, king springs, RG wheels, Speed tires, and in one of the pics you can make out part of the S, on the speed logo on the shocks.

So, I'm guessing they thru on the H on the front and restiched some seats for the big event in Mx, but I'm just taking a wild guess.

My guess is that Speed has rights to the car in America.. Hisun everywhere else. That is what Hisun does a lot of anyway.

Hisun was always the manufacturer of this thing, which is why I always scoffed at “Speed running out of money” or “Being bought out”.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Lol bait and switch you guys are all getting Hisun’s

Wouldn’t that be some shit.

News flash.. we already were getting Hisuns

I don’t care if there is an S or an H on the front.

Honestly I’ll probably buy the H emblems just to tell people they got passed by a 300 HP Hisun.

 

[Singleton]

Lol bait and switch you guys are all getting Hisun’s

Wouldn’t that be some shit.

Hisun has always been the manufacture. It was supposed to be at a plant in McKinney TX.
Now it looks like a plant in Mexico will be producing both the Hisun vehicle and maybe the RG Speed vehicle. Or folks will be waking up to an announcement soon that RG sold out to Hisun and you will be getting a Spoed designed and developed Hisun car built in Mexico. Should be interesting to see RG’s response and reasoning on why rebranded cars were used in Mexico (saw a pic of multiple rebranded speed cars online this morning all in the same pic at that plant). RG signed the agreement with a Chinese company and his IP just left the building (Wonder how much he got paid).

the real question, will you see a Hisun SXS or a Speed SXS delivery first .

 

[HCP3]

Has any one mentioned the Speed Truck coming after the Raptor "tinker toy"? Probably needs its own thread(s).

 

[WhatExit?]

Hisun has always been the manufacture. It was supposed to be at a plant in McKinney TX.
Now it looks like a plant in Mexico will be producing both the Hisun vehicle and maybe the RG Speed vehicle. Or folks will be waking up to an announcement soon that RG sold out to Hisun and you will be getting a Spoed designed and developed Hisun car built in Mexico. Should be interesting to see RG’s response and reasoning on why rebranded cars were used in Mexico (saw a pic of multiple rebranded speed cars online this morning all in the same pic at that plant). RG signed the agreement with a Chinese company and his IP just left the building (Wonder how much he got paid).

the real question, will you see a Hisun SXS or a Speed SXS delivery first .

Based on Hisun's website, it'll be Hisuns coming off the line first

"Hisun will formally begin operations in May, with production of 5,000 units by 2022, and is expected to generate 1,500 jobs."

Hisun Motors to invest US$152 million in Coahuila - MEXICONOW

The automotive company Hisun Motors announced its arrival in the southeast region of Coahuila, where it will invest US$152 million

mexico-now.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hisun has always been the manufacture. It was supposed to be at a plant in McKinney TX.
Now it looks like a plant in Mexico will be producing both the Hisun vehicle and maybe the RG Speed vehicle. Or folks will be waking up to an announcement soon that RG sold out to Hisun and you will be getting a Spoed designed and developed Hisun car built in Mexico. Should be interesting to see RG’s response and reasoning on why rebranded cars were used in Mexico (saw a pic of multiple rebranded speed cars online this morning all in the same pic at that plant). RG signed the agreement with a Chinese company and his IP just left the building (Wonder how much he got paid).

the real question, will you see a Hisun SXS or a Speed SXS delivery first .

I see we are jumping to conclusions this morning!

As long as I we get the car with an S or an H on it I don’t think anyone cares as long as the original deal is honored.

Personally I dont think anything related to Speed has changed. If Hisun screwed over Speed.. well they have all the patents in the US for the car, not Hisun. A Hisun top line UTV still probably won’t sell well in the US, but RGs branding on it will.

As I said, I think Speed has rights to sell the car in the US, and it is a Hisun branded car elsewhere. This would have some similarities to what they did with Textron.

 

[WhatExit?]

News flash.. we already were getting Hisuns

I don’t care if there is an S or an H on the front.

Honestly I’ll probably buy the H emblems just to tell people they got passed by a 300 HP Hisun.

You better hope your employer sold his IP (design and any patents) to Hisun because they've already got all of it anyway. Like every foreign plant in China, the company's IP is stolen by the employees who walk out the door and start their own company that will (1) capture the Chinese market which is what the foreign company hoped to do, and (2) sell knock-offs for less

The end of the Speed car story may not be bad engines or welds - it'll likely be Hisun's or another company's version selling for a lot less

Meme for today...

 

[OldSchoolBoats]

Facebook groups are having a ball with this latest twist. September will be here before we know it. If Speed car's aren't rolling off the line by then, things will get interesting.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You better hope your employer sold his IP (design and any patents) to Hisun because they've already got all of it anyway. Like every foreign plant in China, the company's IP is stolen by the employees who walk out the door and start their own company that will (1) capture the Chinese market which is what the foreign company hoped to do, and (2) sell knock-offs for less

The end of the Speed car story may not be bad engines or welds - it'll likely be Hisun's or another company's version selling for a lot less

Why would they knock off their own car?

You still think this whole thing was RG building cars in in garage? it was backed by Hisun from the start as everyone said said in the very beginning in 2019.

 

[PaPaG]

Not trying to stir the pot I have a serious question, is this car going to have a twin car made by the same company so folks in the US are going to be buying a speed car and outside the US it will be another branded vehicle?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not trying to stir the pot I have a serious question, is this car going to have a twin car made by the same company so folks in the US are going to be buying a speed car and outside the US it will be another branded vehicle?

Yes. This is what Hisun does all over the world currently with other models. As you likely know, it is fairly commonplace in the automotive industry.

I own a Mazda rebadged as a Toyota only in North America. It is still a Mazda everywhere else.

 

[c_land]

Not trying to stir the pot I have a serious question, is this car going to have a twin car made by the same company so folks in the US are going to be buying a speed car and outside the US it will be another branded

If that’s the case, It doesn’t sound like anyone knew about that until last night.

 

[WhatExit?]

Why would they knock off their own car?

You still think this whole thing was RG building cars in in garage? it was backed by Hisun from the start as everyone said said in the very beginning in 2019.

Clearly you don't understand how China "does business"which is OK because most Americans have no idea what China is doing to companies and countries around the world. Having the Chinese mfr Hisun make their cars may seem like a good idea but the end result is RG is simply selling out to Hisun (Chinese).

Not trying to stir the pot I have a serious question, is this car going to have a twin car made by the same company so folks in the US are going to be buying a speed car and outside the US it will be another branded vehicle?

Easy to see some possible paths forward including: Speed sells the cars in the USA and Hisun sells them everywhere else as Hisun SxS's. And after a while none of that matters because Hisun will "reinvent" their cars using what they've learned and Polaris and CanAm will do what they always do.

It looks like Hisun/Speed cars will come to market but Speed could end up as a middleman between Hisun and dealers in the US

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

If that’s the case, It doesn’t sound like anyone knew about that until last night.

Agreed, but it makes me feel even better about these coming to market. These investments were made to build these cars for a world market, not 16k cars in the US.

 

[riverroyal]

This was posted by the governor or mayor of the state in Mx. It wasn't an event to promote the Speed car, it was an event to celebrate the new Hisun factory. So I don't think the car needed to be branded as a Speed. In the full instagram posts and story, they appear to promote a different model more than the "Speed" car.

I have no idea what Hisun has made, I had never even heard of them before this Speed car.

Honestly, we are all just speculating, Me, you, and LOF.

New hisun factory in mex. A speed car in disguise. Guess where your speed cars are being built?

 

[c_land]

Agreed, but it makes me feel even better about these coming to market. These investments were made to build these cars for a world market, not 16k cars in the US.

Textron and artic cat did the same thing with the XX Wildcat. I don’t think anyone cared then either.

I think there was even a third rebranded rig that bass pro sold

 

[Uncle Dave]

Seems like a really nice car.

Not sure what the surprise about hisun is - I've only loosely followed this and that was obvious from the start.

Some likely thought they were getting a product from the garage and workshops of Robby Gordon, vs from a Chinese manufacturing company building in mexico.

Feels like Hisun licensed a Robby Gordon design and will make 2 products from it - their versions with the b grade parts, and an A version branded a "Robby Gordon Car" with the good stuff. Maybe there is some availability clause protecting Robbys version from cheaper incursion for a while.

I see nothing wrong with this and its actually smart on Robbys part in many ways, and likely offers a higher level of parts availability to owners of the car, but I can also see how guys might of though this would be something else.

A little like buying a Japanese dirt bike (very good) or spending more to get a KTM (great!) with all the high zoot parts, but from the same manufacturer.

Guys that want to be "one and done" spend the money up front.
Good enough guys buy the Hisun car and build from there.

There is no doubt their competition will spin this overpaying for a chinese car built in mexico.

China is capable of world class manufacturing - anyone from an apple product can attest to.

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

Fuck China!!!! They are gonna bring this country to its knees. I wouldn’t give them the satisfaction of doing business with them for anything! Every dollar we spend there is another nail in the USA coffin.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Textron and artic cat did the same thing with the XX Wildcat. I don’t think anyone cared then either.

I think there was even a third rebranded rig that bass pro sold

Exactly.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

New hisun factory in mex. A speed car in disguise. Guess where your speed cars are being built?

Right next door to where they build the Can Ams .

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Seems like a really nice car.

Not sure what the surprise about hisun is - I've only loosely followed this and that was obvious from the start.

Some likely thought they were getting a product from the garage and workshops of Robby Gordon, vs from a Chinese manufacturing company building in mexico.

Feels like Hisun licensed a Robby Gordon design and will make 2 products from it - their versions with the b grade parts, and an A version branded a "Robby Gordon Car" with the good stuff. Maybe there is some availability clause protecting Robbys version from cheaper incursion for a while.

I see nothing wrong with this and its actually smart on Robbys part in many ways, and likely offers a higher level of parts availability to owners of the car, but I can also see how guys might of though th this would be something else.

A little like buying a Japanese dirt bike (very good) or spending more to get a KTM (great!) with all the high zoot parts, but from the same manufacturer.

Guys that want to be "one and done" spend the money up front.
Good enough guys buy the Hisun car and build from there.

There is no doubt their competition will spin this overpaying for a chinese car built in mexico.

China is capable of world class manufacturing - anyone from an apple product can attest to.

Spot on UG. Hisun has been backing this project since the beginning, and it was the worst kept secret about this car back in 2019.

Can Am certainly has nothing to say.. their cars are built in Mexico as well.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Fuck China!!!! They are gonna bring this country to its knees. I wouldn’t give them the satisfaction of doing business with them for anything!

Just wondering if you posted that from a device made in China?

 

[attitude]

China builds lots of reputable cars, not sure why everyone is worried…

 

[EPL]

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China builds lots of reputable cars, not sure why everyone is worried…

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I have seen and had Chinese made quads etc. Not very good quality and almost impossible to get parts for when they fall apart !

 

[baja-chris]

Jeep pulls out of China over government meddling in its business | Autoblog - Autoblog

Stellantis shuttered its only Jeep factory in China because politicians meddled in its business in the world’s biggest car market, CEO Carlos Tavares said.

www.autoblog.com

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

Just wondering if you posted that from a device made in China?

滚开你的中国造车！

 

[RVR SWPR]

Bottom Line,Speed Car when finally delivered best perform. This Hisun situation going to be interesting.I don’t care if we talking Skate Boards or expensive off road vehicles. This whole deal going to come down to how INDIVIDUALS define custom built and who really building.
For example,i really believe and trust Ford Raptor built and conceived by Ford period. I have not heard of any Ford Raptor knock off running around China or wherever with a different name on the front. Right now,RG has explaining to do. I have been defending a champion not some crowd of Chinese who have caused pure havoc in the United States these past few years.

 

[Singleton]

Spot on UG. Hisun has been backing this project since the beginning, and it was the worst kept secret about this car back in 2019.

Can Am certainly has nothing to say.. their cars are built in Mexico as well.

Nothing wrong with Mexico built cars.
If someone purchased a Speed car, thinking it will be a US manufactured car (RG early on stated that), they will have issues.

I would be pissed if I ordered an S and got an H. 100% Hisun will cut corners to meet margin - that is the biggest risk factor IMO.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Nothing wrong with Mexico built cars.
If someone purchased a Speed car, thinking it will be a US manufactured car (RG early on stated that), they will have issues.

I would be pissed if I ordered an S and got an H. 100% Hisun will cut corners to meet margin - that is the biggest risk factor IMO.

Let the cars be delivered. They won’t have any “issues” from where they are assembled. No one signed up for a car dictating how or where it would be built.

How do you know the H on the front means corners will be cut? You think they use the “better” assembly line to build the speed cars? Different castings? Different alloys? Different engines?

They aren’t building them any better because there is a S on the front. Maybe to a different spec, yes - Base, LE, RG.

 

[WhatExit?]

Let the cars be delivered. They won’t have any “issues” from where they are assembled. No one signed up for a car dictating how or where it would be built.

How do you know the H on the front means corners will be cut? You think they use the “better” assembly line to build the speed cars? Different castings? Different alloys? Different engines?

They aren’t building them any better because there is a S on the front. Maybe to a different spec, yes - Base, LE, RG.

Are you being paid in RMB or USD?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Are you being paid in RMB or USD?

Just in your tears from all the crying you do.

 

[Riverryder]

Is the husin gonna be cheaper? Are they taking deposits? If anyone knows where people can buy one? Is there a LWF(large white font) to lead the way?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Is the husin gonna be cheaper? Are they taking deposits? If anyone knows where people can buy one? Is there a LWF(large white font) to lead the way?

Go to Mexico and give Roberto Gordoń your deposit for one.

It might be interesting if they did a even cheaper model with an analog dash instead of the screen for a couple grand less.

 

[white tortilla]

My speed order #518 sounded good until u realized the first 10000 units were for Hisun orders. Guess I’m #10518

 

[RiverDave]

Hisun was always going to be the manufacturer l. Whether they are the financial backer or not I don’t know..

My biggest concern is the possibility that Robbie went to them to produce the car.. got it 100% ready for them right down to how to make it…

And they said “thanks for the car, now kindly fuck off.”

The Chinese do not give one shit about patent law.. when you sub assemblies to China for aerospace etc you never use one supplier for all of it for that reason.

I am really hoping this isn’t the case.. gotta be honest though I would have thought to have seen a release from speed this morning saying it’s no big deal.

The lack of release makes me think he’s sitting in some room right now trying to figure out what happened, and hopefully trying to save his deal. If they did steal his car (quite possible) he and us are royally fucked..

RD <——- not feeling so confident right now

 

[RVR SWPR]

Is the husin gonna be cheaper? Are they taking deposits? If anyone knows where people can buy one? Is there a LWF(large white font) to lead the way?

Actually parts of the above a damn good question and concern. Not going to put up names but excellent individuals and shops out there that could thrive on this deal.
Most of you guys think nothing of ripping out factory sound system in 200k pontoon and spending 15-20k on custom system.

 

[joecfd1]

And they said “thanks for the car, now kindly fuck off.”

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Hisun was always going to be the manufacturer l. Whether they are the financial backer or not I don’t know..

My biggest concern is the possibility that Robbie went to them to produce the car.. got it 100% ready for them right down to how to make it…

And they said “thanks for the car, now kindly fuck off.”

The Chinese do not give one shit about patent law.. when you sun assemblies to China for aerospace etc you never use one supplier for all of it for that reason.

I am really hoping this isn’t the case.. gotta be honest though I would have thought to have seen a release from speed this morning saying it’s no big deal.

The lack of release makes me think he’s sitting in some room right now trying to figure out what happened, and hopefully trying to save his deal. If they did steal his car (quite possible) he and us are royally fucked..

RD <——- not feeling so confident right now

How many Speed dealers are signed up outside the US?

Exactly none.

What is Hisun’s bread and butter business?

Making private label stuff.

What good does it do cutting Speed out now?

Just look at the response here.. an identical car with a H on the front freaks everyone out. A $45k Hisun is not going to sell here. They would have to sell it at the price we got in for to get them to move.

Aside from “Because China”, I can’t think of a single reason why they would do that right now, aside from some internal business dispute.

And for the record we have gone from “Speed needs less updates to control the narrative” to “Speed need more updates to inform their customers and haters” in like 72 hours .

If the Speed website starts having 520, 521, or 525 errors twice an hour, and there are videos of Mexicans enjoying their Hisuns, then I would start to get worried.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

 

[dirtslinger2]

Has there every been anything put out that Hisun was going to sell this car branded as a Hisun? Hisun hasn't even put out a post, advertisement, communication or anything regarding "their new model"
Nor has Speed ever said they would sell the car as Speed in the USA, and Hisun globally.

Hell, the post everyones all fired up about doesn't say at all that the new factory
in Mx was built to build the Speed car, thats just speculation. If you actually look at the exact instagram post and story, they show a different model of Hisun rolling off of the factor floor, not a Speed car.

This is all people speculating and guessing, and by the way people post their "assumptions" it's very clear who the haters are and aren't.

 

[RVR SWPR]

How many Speed dealers are signed up outside the US?

Exactly none.

What is Hisun’s bread and butter business?

Making private label stuff.

What good does it do cutting Speed out now?

Just look at the response here.. an identical car with a H on the front freaks everyone out. A $45k Hisun is not going to sell here. They would have to sell it at the price we got in for to get them to move.

Aside from “Because China”, I can’t think of a single reason why they would do that right now, aside from some internal business dispute.

And for the record we have gone from “Speed needs less updates to control the narrative” to “Speed need more updates to inform their customers and haters” in like 72 hours .

If the Speed website starts having 520, 521, or 525 errors twice an hour, and there are videos of Mexicans enjoying their Hisuns, then I would start to get worried.

You will never need worry about anything. Get elected to the best paying elected position and you will do fine. Especially in Washington DC.
FWIW,this H or S situation is serious,needs addressed now. RG reads these forums especially this one.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Has there every been anything put out that Hisun was going to sell this car branded as a Hisun? Hisun hasn't even put out a post, advertisement, communication or anything regarding "their new model"
Nor has Speed ever said they would sell the car as Speed in the USA, and Hisun globally.

Hell, the post everyones all fired up about doesn't say at all that the new factory
in Mx was built to build the Speed car, thats just speculation. If you actually look at the exact instagram post and story, they show a different model of Hisun rolling off of the factor floor, not a Speed car.

This is all people speculating and guessing, and by the way people post their "assumptions" it's very clear who the haters are and aren't.

Honestly I feel even better about the car now with then possibility of it selling globally. How could you not? More parts, more support, more complete supply chain.

Everyone was whailing that it was not even going to exist and how will they get parts here earlier this week, now they are complaining it could be made in multiple factories on multiple continents and they were not made aware.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Honestly I feel even better about the car now with then possibility of it selling globally. How could you not? More parts, more support, more complete supply chain.

Everyone was whailing that it was not even going to exist and how will they get parts here earlier this week, now they are complaining it could be made in multiple factories on multiple continents and they were not made aware.