Speed cars hit the assembly Line

[LargeOrangeFont]

I have a 2018 can am max, I have app 4200 miles on my car but I plan to replace my car after the release of the speed car. Not saying I’ll get one but want to check it out.
I like to do longer multi day rides, I think the truck bed & wheelbase and storage abilities will be perfect in the speed car.

LOF is comical and makes the thread and the other “ Locked “ thread interesting…. i don’t see any BS naysayers about the Lux pontoon boat thread.
Honestly I don’t see why people don’t like the Speed car or the idea,
The biggest issue to be had is COVID and Supply chain, it has a ripple in EVERYTHING in the world right now…. It is a not a RG thing.

RG doesnt have the best track record and he has a questionable past …
but
he knows how to drive and HE knows Off Road cars, he is a perfect guy to bring this to market!!
no matter what he does in his racing WORLD….

He will be measured in life with the SPEED car…. He HAS To & WILL bring this to market, only question is when….

These are some great points.

RG has had a questionable racing past, and a shitty attitude sometimes. But both RG and TR (Todd Romano) seem to be pretty good at running businesses.

 

[FROGMAN524]

Well this ended predictably and right on cue. When you got nothing call someone gay and start with the personal attacks.

Have a good morning.

Who said it was over? If you’re this arrogant in real life, you must have a mouth full of fake teeth.

Secondly, I could give a fuck about Robby or his car. I didn’t order one and if I did it would be after 2-3 years of production when they’ve ironed out all of the bugs. I refuse to be a beta tester. Same reason I didn’t get the jab. Good luck to all those with money in the game, I hope you don’t end up with lemons.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Who said it was over? If you’re this arrogant in real life, you must have a mouth full of fake teeth.

Secondly, I could give a fuck about Robby or his car. I didn’t order one and if I did it would be after 2-3 years of production when they’ve ironed out all of the bugs. I refuse to be a beta tester. Same reason I didn’t get the jab. Good luck to all those with money in the game, I hope you don’t end up with lemons.

Welcome back buttercup!

So yore saying you may be sucking RGs dick in a couple years?

 

[Bpracing1127]

These are some great points.

RG has had a questionable racing past, and a shitty attitude sometimes. But both RG and TR (Todd Romano) seem to be pretty good at running businesses.

I disagree with that statement. RG has a great racing career with wins all over the place. And who is Todd? What does he bring to the table? From what I can see he doesn’t bring a lot to the table

 

[HCP3]

Robby Gordon on Instagram: "COF out having some fun"

1,074 likes, 59 comments - robbygordon on July 14, 2022: "COF out having some fun".

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What is the ground clearance on a Speed car?

It sounds like a leaf blower.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I disagree with that statement. RG has a great racing career with wins all over the place. And who is Todd? What does he bring to the table? From what I can see he doesn’t bring a lot to the table

I meant more towards attitude and persona in racing at times. He’s definitely had a successful racing career. I think how someone races on a track or runs a race team and how they run business are 2 different things. Some people do not.

Todd runs the business, parts and dealer side of Speed. RG runs the design and engineering team.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It sounds like a leaf blower.

Those snail shaped muffler bearings will do that.

 

[brecht]

I disagree with that statement. RG has a great racing career with wins all over the place. And who is Todd? What does he bring to the table? From what I can see he doesn’t bring a lot to the table

Todd founded/owned Dragonfire Racing which was a giant in Rhino/rzr accessories

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Todd founded/owned Dragonfire Racing which was a giant in Rhino/rzr accessories

He's also the managing director of Hawk Performance

 

[Dan Lorenze]

Tesla’s are more legit than Speed cars, prove me wrong.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Tesla’s are more legit than Speed cars, prove me wrong.

Instagram

www.instagram.com

Here you go.

That was easy.

 

[Bpracing1127]

He's also the managing director of Hawk Performance

My point is a sxs aftermarket company. With 20 small product lines. Simple products. Say doing 5 million in revenue is not a full car company with 1000+ sku numbers and mfg complexity from chassis to pcba design and harness design.

I don’t see how Todd is a great fit to speed given his expertise is all I am saying.

Robby knows chassis design and engineering so that seems fit there.

 

[HCP3]

Those snail shaped muffler bearings will do that.

It is an unfortunate sound on turbo cars. Especially with an external wastegate. Sounds terrible, but the power is always worth it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My point is a sxs aftermarket company. With 20 small product lines. Simple products. Say doing 5 million in revenue is not a full car company with 1000+ sku numbers and mfg complexity from chassis to pcba design and harness design.

I don’t see how Todd is a great fit to speed given his expertise is all I am saying.

Robby knows chassis design and engineering so that seems fit there.

You are talking about 2 different things. Managing a business, sales teams, customer service teams, standing up a dealer network, is a different skill set than designing a car or components for a car.

I think he is doing just fine considering they have $500M in orders and a pretty comprehensive dealer network before producing a single production car.

Speed is using mfg partners to provide parts and subassemblies. They don’t need to know how to design a harness, they are using/have used partners for that. Todd and Robby certainly don’t need to know how to do any of that.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

This thread is fun.

 

[That Guy]

Now that “Trident” is history we can look back at the effort Wes put into that boat and realize Wes is a “stand up guy”. Cool you bring that up. Remember when he brought that boat into LA? Boat Show week,i forget what hotel,Wes parked that Trident on the patio at the hotel and put on one hell of a party at major expense no doubt. The guy tried.

It was at The Standard and it was a hell of a party!

 

[WhatExit?]

So yore saying you may be sucking RGs dick in a couple years?

 

[RiverDave]

I disagree with that statement. RG has a great racing career with wins all over the place. And who is Todd? What does he bring to the table? From what I can see he doesn’t bring a lot to the table

Your joking.. lol.

 

[Bpracing1127]

Your joking.. lol.

Not at all.

 

[RiverDave]

Not at all.

He owned dragonfire…. That wasn’t 20 product lines, they made hundreds of parts for all the different side by sides? Really nice stuff as well.

I don’t remember how much he sold it for but it was jaw dropping

 

[zhandfull]

Investors have to be getting antsy on the release. Bet everyone is feeling the pressure at Speed by now. Must be in pretty deep money wise at this point with the delays.

 

[RiverDave]

Investors have to be getting antsy on the release. Bet everyone is feeling the pressure at Speed by now. Must be in pretty deep money wise at this point with the delays.

I don’t think they have investors other than themselves? Could be wrong though?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don’t think they have investors other than themselves? Could be wrong though?

I would not be surprised if John Menard is an investor. Perhaps Hisun has a stake.

With $500m in sales and this close to the finish the line I don’t think anyone is too antsy.

 

[RiverDave]

So something to think about..

There seems to be a couple of different groups here.

The ones that say it’s never coming out it’s a Ponzi scheme.. Personally I can’t understand why anybody would think that at this point.. these guys are so deep into the production there is no way they aren’t coming out.. shit at this point they are claiming delivery dates in less than seven weeks.

To be clear I’m not saying that it might not be like Tucker or DeLorean where they get a run going and then something turns the tide and takes them out.. happens all the time. (Personally I think they are going to be wildly successful even going into a recession). I think these guys are gonna print money for the next decade or two..

Then there’s group number two which I’d call the haters.. they just hate the car and potentially the people that bought them for whatever reason..

Then there’s group number three - the people that actually laid money out.. not to say there aren’t exceptions where people put money out and sold them but they are in the minority.. sub group number two guys like me that bought and sold a few numbers Just to turn some money while we are waiting..


What I don’t get is the first two groups literally don’t spend anytime even finding out where the project is at before making pretty bold claims?

I haven’t watched one of their releases in months.. honestly I don’t think I need too. I was sold on it a long time ago because I believe it’s a superior offroad vehicle to what I had.. (and I really liked what I had) ..

My biggest regret is selling my can am right before Covid hit.. I have been running a far inferior vehicle while I’m waiting and I missed about 13k when prices shot up.


Now personally I think I have bought and sold four or five of these “numbers” now and made anywhere from 1500-3000 each.. one of them I broke even because of a miscommunication with speed.. (no big deal)

Here’s the kicker though.. the price is up to 45k now and they are still selling! I paid 32 for my slots.

I can sell my two four seater spots in minutes for 13,000+ over what I paid for them instantly making 26-28 grand pretty quick.

That isn’t even factoring a “mark up” for being really low numbers which realistically for a quick sale would be between 3-5k each as a bonus..

When it’s all over I’m basically going to make 18’ish on one car, and end up getting my second one for around 20k..

How can anyone hate on that? If the haters weee smart they shoulda laid out 1500 bucks to make 13,000.. it was one of the easiest and “guaranteed” investments I ever made.

 

[rivrrts429]

So something to think about..

There seems to be a couple of different groups here.

The ones that say it’s never coming out it’s a Ponzi scheme.. Personally I can’t understand why anybody would think that at this point.. these guys are so deep into the production there is no way they aren’t coming out.. shit at this point they are claiming delivery dates in less than seven weeks.

To be clear I’m not saying that it might not be like Tucker or DeLorean where they get a run going and then something turns the tide and takes them out.. happens all the time. (Personally I think they are going to be wildly successful even going into a recession). I think these guys are gonna print money for the next decade or two..

Then there’s group number two which I’d call the haters.. they just hate the car and potentially the people that bought them for whatever reason..

Then there’s group number three - the people that actually laid money out.. not to say there aren’t exceptions where people put money out and sold them but they are in the minority.. sub group number two guys like me that bought and sold a few numbers Just to turn some money while we are waiting..


What I don’t get is the first two groups literally don’t spend anytime even finding out where the project is at before making pretty bold claims?

I haven’t watched one of their releases in months.. honestly I don’t think I need too. I was sold on it a long time ago because I believe it’s a superior offroad vehicle to what I had.. (and I really liked what I had) ..

My biggest regret is selling my can am right before Covid hit.. I have been running a far inferior vehicle while I’m waiting and I missed about 13k when prices shot up.


Now personally I think I have bought and sold four or five of these “numbers” now and made anywhere from 1500-3000 each.. one of them I broke even because of a miscommunication with speed.. (no big deal)

Here’s the kicker though.. the price is up to 45k now and they are still selling! I paid 32 for my slots.

I can sell my two four seater spots in minutes for 13,000+ over what I paid for them instantly making 26-28 grand pretty quick.

That isn’t even factoring a “mark up” for being really low numbers which realistically for a quick sale would be between 3-5k each as a bonus..

When it’s all over I’m basically going to make 18’ish on one car, and end up getting my second one for around 20k..

How can anyone hate on that? If the haters weee smart they shoulda laid out 1500 bucks to make 13,000.. it was one of the easiest and “guaranteed” investments I ever made.

That’s a better investment than CryptoCurrency at this point.

 

[Bpracing1127]

He owned dragonfire…. That wasn’t 20 product lines, they made hundreds of parts for all the different side by sides? Really nice stuff as well.

I don’t remember how much he sold it for but it was jaw dropping

Yea we’re talking

Seats
Seat mounts
Belts
Misc billet acc
Exhaust?
Then a distributor for other goods.

Still no where near the complexity of full blown car like the speed is.

Again I don’t see what TR is bringing to the table. I don’t see how is experience is benefiting the company.

To be perfectly clear on my stance

I think the speed car will be badass. It’s Eng is way above Polaris and can am right now. I really like the entire car. My biggest beef with speed is there PR campaign and way over commitment of product. I know in other markets being 2 years late. People start getting fired for lack of performance hence where TR comes into play. I don’t think he has the know how to put a project of this scale together and keep it on track with all the different systems and Eng changes they have been making. Someone also needs to reign that in some too.

I can say this as I have worked for companies taking on this and change is the enemy of efficiency. The supply chain isn’t the problems for delays anymore it’s the changes. Now are the changes necessary? Seems a lot are nice to have vs need to have. I understand it separates them from competition. Still designing a full car from scratch is widely huge project and I question if TR is the right guy?

We know the Eng is from RG and his team. Todd may have done the website and marketing to sell the spots he has but without delivering that doesn’t really hold much water. So not doubting Todd and a marketing guy but an operations guy? Hmmmmm

Again speed car is badass and I want one.

 

[mash on it]

I'm still wondering about the first post. ( 90+ days ago )
If the cars are in production, where are they?

Dan'l

 

[riverroyal]

My point is a sxs aftermarket company. With 20 small product lines. Simple products. Say doing 5 million in revenue is not a full car company with 1000+ sku numbers and mfg complexity from chassis to pcba design and harness design.

I don’t see how Todd is a great fit to speed given his expertise is all I am saying.

Robby knows chassis design and engineering so that seems fit there.

I agree on this.
Dragon fire succes was timing as a big contributor.

 

[hallett21]

So something to think about..

There seems to be a couple of different groups here.

The ones that say it’s never coming out it’s a Ponzi scheme.. Personally I can’t understand why anybody would think that at this point.. these guys are so deep into the production there is no way they aren’t coming out.. shit at this point they are claiming delivery dates in less than seven weeks.

To be clear I’m not saying that it might not be like Tucker or DeLorean where they get a run going and then something turns the tide and takes them out.. happens all the time. (Personally I think they are going to be wildly successful even going into a recession). I think these guys are gonna print money for the next decade or two..

Then there’s group number two which I’d call the haters.. they just hate the car and potentially the people that bought them for whatever reason..

Then there’s group number three - the people that actually laid money out.. not to say there aren’t exceptions where people put money out and sold them but they are in the minority.. sub group number two guys like me that bought and sold a few numbers Just to turn some money while we are waiting..


What I don’t get is the first two groups literally don’t spend anytime even finding out where the project is at before making pretty bold claims?

I haven’t watched one of their releases in months.. honestly I don’t think I need too. I was sold on it a long time ago because I believe it’s a superior offroad vehicle to what I had.. (and I really liked what I had) ..

My biggest regret is selling my can am right before Covid hit.. I have been running a far inferior vehicle while I’m waiting and I missed about 13k when prices shot up.


Now personally I think I have bought and sold four or five of these “numbers” now and made anywhere from 1500-3000 each.. one of them I broke even because of a miscommunication with speed.. (no big deal)

Here’s the kicker though.. the price is up to 45k now and they are still selling! I paid 32 for my slots.

I can sell my two four seater spots in minutes for 13,000+ over what I paid for them instantly making 26-28 grand pretty quick.

That isn’t even factoring a “mark up” for being really low numbers which realistically for a quick sale would be between 3-5k each as a bonus..

When it’s all over I’m basically going to make 18’ish on one car, and end up getting my second one for around 20k..

How can anyone hate on that? If the haters weee smart they shoulda laid out 1500 bucks to make 13,000.. it was one of the easiest and “guaranteed” investments I ever made.

1 & 2 are miserable lol.

It’s 1,000% apparent when you can’t just be happy for people’s success.

 

[OCMerrill]

Both those guys (RG and Todd) signed a 5 year development and marketing deal with Artic Cat in 2015.

I take it the latest Artic Cat WILDCAT XX SE is Bad ass? I have no idea but class leading 130hp.

 

[WhatExit?]

So something to think about..

There seems to be a couple of different groups here.

The ones that say it’s never coming out it’s a Ponzi scheme.. Personally I can’t understand why anybody would think that at this point.. these guys are so deep into the production there is no way they aren’t coming out.. shit at this point they are claiming delivery dates in less than seven weeks.

To be clear I’m not saying that it might not be like Tucker or DeLorean where they get a run going and then something turns the tide and takes them out.. happens all the time. (Personally I think they are going to be wildly successful even going into a recession). I think these guys are gonna print money for the next decade or two..

Then there’s group number two which I’d call the haters.. they just hate the car and potentially the people that bought them for whatever reason..

Then there’s group number three - the people that actually laid money out.. not to say there aren’t exceptions where people put money out and sold them but they are in the minority.. sub group number two guys like me that bought and sold a few numbers Just to turn some money while we are waiting..


What I don’t get is the first two groups literally don’t spend anytime even finding out where the project is at before making pretty bold claims?

I haven’t watched one of their releases in months.. honestly I don’t think I need too. I was sold on it a long time ago because I believe it’s a superior offroad vehicle to what I had.. (and I really liked what I had) ..

My biggest regret is selling my can am right before Covid hit.. I have been running a far inferior vehicle while I’m waiting and I missed about 13k when prices shot up.


Now personally I think I have bought and sold four or five of these “numbers” now and made anywhere from 1500-3000 each.. one of them I broke even because of a miscommunication with speed.. (no big deal)

Here’s the kicker though.. the price is up to 45k now and they are still selling! I paid 32 for my slots.

I can sell my two four seater spots in minutes for 13,000+ over what I paid for them instantly making 26-28 grand pretty quick.

That isn’t even factoring a “mark up” for being really low numbers which realistically for a quick sale would be between 3-5k each as a bonus..

When it’s all over I’m basically going to make 18’ish on one car, and end up getting my second one for around 20k..

How can anyone hate on that? If the haters weee smart they shoulda laid out 1500 bucks to make 13,000.. it was one of the easiest and “guaranteed” investments I ever made.

You guys continue talking about it like it's out and available and it'll meet all the promises and make you big bucks. I'm still skeptical about the whole deal but I'm glad it appears that the cars may actually be owned and driven by the public this year. Disclaimer: I'll again say I hope the cars are delivered and they're all Speed and you Fan Bois think they will be.

I assumed people paid out $ because they were willing to risk their deposits in order to get a Speed Car that performs. At some point the conversation shifted to INVESTMENT and how much $$$ could be made by those that put money down. To me that's quite different than wanting "the best SxS made."

Your whole post is about how much $$$ you can make and what a great investment it was. You might want to wait to count your $$$ until it's in your hand. You and especially Speed Queen (LOF) have been quick to callout those who question this SxS but investors know there's nothing like public questions or negative opinions to hurt investments. Seems that there's another group: Protect your INVESTMENTS

In the meantime...why is making $$$ the focus when this was all supposed to be ABOUT THE SPEED CAR? So it's OK to talk about this as an investment but those of us who have talked about the risks and potential for disappointment of those investments are HATERS.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yea we’re talking

Seats
Seat mounts
Belts
Misc billet acc
Exhaust?
Then a distributor for other goods.

Still no where near the complexity of full blown car like the speed is.

Again I don’t see what TR is bringing to the table. I don’t see how is experience is benefiting the company.

To be perfectly clear on my stance

I think the speed car will be badass. It’s Eng is way above Polaris and can am right now. I really like the entire car. My biggest beef with speed is there PR campaign and way over commitment of product. I know in other markets being 2 years late. People start getting fired for lack of performance hence where TR comes into play. I don’t think he has the know how to put a project of this scale together and keep it on track with all the different systems and Eng changes they have been making. Someone also needs to reign that in some too.

I can say this as I have worked for companies taking on this and change is the enemy of efficiency. The supply chain isn’t the problems for delays anymore it’s the changes. Now are the changes necessary? Seems a lot are nice to have vs need to have. I understand it separates them from competition. Still designing a full car from scratch is widely huge project and I question if TR is the right guy?

We know the Eng is from RG and his team. Todd may have done the website and marketing to sell the spots he has but without delivering that doesn’t really hold much water. So not doubting Todd and a marketing guy but an operations guy? Hmmmmm

Again speed car is badass and I want one.

I don’t think you have complete understanding of what it takes to develop and maintain dealer relationships and vendor partnerships. TR is running the sales operations, partnerships, and the P&L, not inputting part numbers into an ERP system. Hawk has tens of thousands of part numbers alone.

He’s sold/committed 12k cars through dealers. That is 3x as much as we’re sold on the website directly.

Their only real goal is to bring the best car possible to market. I want them to keep making shit better until the last second. Every other mfg makes changes in preproduction down to the wire, they just don’t tell you about it. They are down to nitpicking the details of the wraps now.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You guys continue talking about it like it's out and available and it'll meet all the promises and make you big bucks. I'm still skeptical about the whole deal but I'm glad it appears that the cars may actually be owned and driven by the public this year. Disclaimer: I'll again say I hope the cars are delivered and they're all Speed and you Fan Bois think they will be.

I assumed people paid out $ because they were willing to risk their deposits in order to get a Speed Car that performs. At some point the conversation shifted to INVESTMENT and how much $$$ could be made by those that put money down. To me that's quite different than wanting "the best SxS made."

Your whole post is about how much $$$ you can make and what a great investment it was. You might want to wait to count your $$$ until it's in your hand. You and especially Speed Queen (LOF) have been quick to callout those who question this SxS but investors know there's nothing like public questions or negative opinions to hurt investments. Seems that there's another group: Protect your INVESTMENTS

In the meantime...why is making $$$ the focus when this was all supposed to be ABOUT THE SPEED CAR? So it's OK to talk about this as an investment but those of us who have talked about the risks and potential for disappointment of those investments are HATERS.

Lol here we go . Let the Smart Money that can’t spell UTV talk and tell you what profit, value and investment is, when you are allowed to recognize it, and what the risks are of something he knows nothing about.

The same person that has has talked about it failing for 2 years who now wants to gaslight you by telling you he hopes for your success .

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

You guys continue talking about it like it's out and available and it'll meet all the promises and make you big bucks. I'm still skeptical about the whole deal but I'm glad it appears that the cars may actually be owned and driven by the public this year. Disclaimer: I'll again say I hope the cars are delivered and they're all Speed and you Fan Bois think they will be.

I assumed people paid out $ because they were willing to risk their deposits in order to get a Speed Car that performs. At some point the conversation shifted to INVESTMENT and how much $$$ could be made by those that put money down. To me that's quite different than wanting "the best SxS made."

Your whole post is about how much $$$ you can make and what a great investment it was. You might want to wait to count your $$$ until it's in your hand. You and especially Speed Queen (LOF) have been quick to callout those who question this SxS but investors know there's nothing like public questions or negative opinions to hurt investments. Seems that there's another group: Protect your INVESTMENTS

In the meantime...why is making $$$ the focus when this was all supposed to be ABOUT THE SPEED CAR? So it's OK to talk about this as an investment but those of us who have talked about the risks and potential for disappointment of those investments are HATERS.

Excellent post, well thought out and articulated.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Lol here we go . Let the Smart Money that can’t spell UTV talk and tell you what profit, value and investment is, when you are allowed to recognize it, and what the risks are of something he knows nothing about.

The same person that has has talked about it failing for 2 years who now wants to gaslight you by telling you he hopes for your success .

Ash, his post is profound in that he highlighted the difference between wanting and purchasing an UTV, vs. making profits on orders for those same cars.

It’s what PE does. It’s doesn’t give one single fuck about the widget, it only cares about the revenue the widget created.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ash, his post is profound in that he highlighted the difference between wanting and purchasing an UTV, vs. making profits on orders for those same cars.

It’s what PE does. It’s doesn’t give one single fuck about the widget, it only cares about the revenue the widget created.

Steve, the post is gaslighting bullshit. There is nothing profound or enlightening about it. He is the one calling it a monetary investment, which it is not. It an investment in my own enjoyment, that was purchased at a price lower than the market is today. What I choose to make of that is my own decision. I could sell it and make money, I could drive it for a year, sell it, and make no money but gain experiences and fun. My investment in my delivered is car protected monetarily from most of the depreciation. That is why I entered this deal in the first place.

It has been a monetary investment for some and there have been demonstrable profits. I don’t know why people refuse to acknowledge that. If I did this same thing and sold a spot for a C8 corvette no one would say a word. It is the same thing. Revenue was created on something that is not yet available. Of course you and others will come back and say, “Well it does not exist.” To that I ask “Who cares?” It will exist, and the person that is buying the spot believes it will exist too, and at the end of the day that is all that matters - the agreement between buyer and seller.

The guy has been saying “Speed is gonna fold and you will never get your cars.” since the beginning. If he actually had a response other than a meme or “Tucker failed so this will too.” I might actually value his input or questions. He literally knows nothing about the product or business model, throws out random questions and rebukes a response with extreme prejudice unless you agree that Speed will fail and people will be screwed.

And then posts a meme when cornered with his own logic.

I’ve said this 1000 times from the beginning. There was risk in this entire thing. If you don’t like the product or don’t want to take the risk, don’t order one?

I post one update on what going on and in come the uninvolved, uninformed trolls that just want to see me, Dave and others lose.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

I’m actually sitting here eating pop corn reading all this! Wife is watching stranger things and I can’t understand why it’s not that great a show but this? This is a great show!!

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Steve, the post is gaslighting bullshit. There is nothing profound or enlightening about it. He is the one calling it a monetary investment, which it is not. It an investment in my own enjoyment, that was purchased at a price lower than the market is today. What I choose to make of that is my own decision. I could sell it and make money, I could drive it for a year, sell it, and make no money but gain experiences and fun. My investment in my delivered is car protected monetarily from most of the depreciation. That is why I entered this deal in the first place.

It has been a monetary investment for some and there have been demonstrable profits. I don’t know why people refuse to acknowledge that. If I did this same thing and sold a spot for a C8 corvette no one would say a word. It is the same thing. Revenue was created on something that is not yet available. Of course you and others will come back and say, “Well it does not exist.” To that I ask “Who cares?” It will exist, and the person that is buying the spot believes it will exist too, and at the end of the day that is all that matters - the agreement between buyer and seller.

The guy has been saying “Speed is gonna fold and you will never get your cars.” since the beginning. If he actually had a response other than a meme or “Tucker failed so this will too.” I might actually value his input or questions. He literally knows nothing about the product or business model, throws out random questions and rebukes a response with extreme prejudice unless you agree that Speed will fail and people will be screwed.

And then posts a meme when cornered with his own logic.

I’ve said this 1000 times from the beginning. There was risk in this entire thing. If you don’t like the product or don’t want to take the risk, don’t order one?

I post one update on what going on and in come the uninvolved, uninformed trolls that just want to see me, Dave and others lose.

I think the risk is minimal. But back to his post. RD posted just a while ago about how much money he’s making on this program.

Which is where I was going. Is it a UTV or a money making opportunity? I’m not in line so it doesn’t matter to me, just comments from an interested observer

 

[SkyDirtWaterguy]

The true test of the Speed car will be a year or so after the cars hit the market and the consumers begin using and abusing them. Feedback on reliability and product support will make or break the future of this car.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think the risk is minimal. But back to his post. RD posted just a while ago about how much money he’s making on this program.

Which is where I was going. Is it a UTV or a money making opportunity? I’m not in line so it doesn’t matter to me, just comments from an interested observer

It is whatever you make of it. Is a Porsche GT3 a car or a money making opportunity?

The answer is, it can be both. No one is going to make a fortune or living flipping these things, but the idea of not getting financially hurt if the car is a flop is appealing.

Again, if I sell my current RZR for market rate and sell my extra car when I get it just for current MSRP + options and taxes (no markup to current prices at all) my 2nd Speed car will be less than $5k out of pocket.

THAT makes buying a first year debut car easy to swallow for me, and I’ll never get hurt on it.

If that isn't a hedge of my “investment” I don’t know what is.

 

[Orange Juice]

I don’t get it, they look like a Polaris?

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

It is whatever you make of it. Is a Porsche GT3 a car or a money making opportunity?

The answer is, it can be both. No one is going to make a fortune or living flipping these things, but the idea of not getting financially hurt if the car is a flop is appealing.

Again, if I sell my current RZR for market rate and sell my extra car when I get it just for current MSRP + options and taxes (no markup to current prices at all) my 2nd Speed car will be less than $5k out of pocket.

THAT makes buying a first year debut car easy to swallow for me, and I’ll never get hurt on it.

If that isn't a hedge of my “investment” I don’t know what is.

No argument. My point was that as much as you dislike WE’s post, he makes a point

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The true test of the speed car will be a year or so after the cars hit the market and the consumers begin using and abusing them. Feedback on reliability and product support will make or break the future of this car.

Of course you are spot on. And that bar is pretty low in the SXS world historically.

One additional item that Speed has over everything else is safety. Nothing on the market has a race spec cage like Speed, with A pillar supports, intrusion bars front and rear, 5 point harnesses, real seats, and available window nets.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

No argument. My point was that as much as you dislike WE’s post, he makes a point

If you have no argument with me, you then must agree he has no point because if you agree with me, I just disproved his point.

I don’t dislike his posts, I just see them for what they are - gaslighting, and respond to them appropriately. If he just admitted that, it would be refreshing.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I’m actually sitting here eating pop corn reading all this! Wife is watching stranger things and I can’t understand why it’s not that great a show but this? This is a great show!!

Hope it’s Pop Secret at least.

 

[RiverDave]

Yea we’re talking

Seats
Seat mounts
Belts
Misc billet acc
Exhaust?
Then a distributor for other goods.

Still no where near the complexity of full blown car like the speed is.

Again I don’t see what TR is bringing to the table. I don’t see how is experience is benefiting the company.

To be perfectly clear on my stance

I think the speed car will be badass. It’s Eng is way above Polaris and can am right now. I really like the entire car. My biggest beef with speed is there PR campaign and way over commitment of product. I know in other markets being 2 years late. People start getting fired for lack of performance hence where TR comes into play. I don’t think he has the know how to put a project of this scale together and keep it on track with all the different systems and Eng changes they have been making. Someone also needs to reign that in some too.

I can say this as I have worked for companies taking on this and change is the enemy of efficiency. The supply chain isn’t the problems for delays anymore it’s the changes. Now are the changes necessary? Seems a lot are nice to have vs need to have. I understand it separates them from competition. Still designing a full car from scratch is widely huge project and I question if TR is the right guy?

We know the Eng is from RG and his team. Todd may have done the website and marketing to sell the spots he has but without delivering that doesn’t really hold much water. So not doubting Todd and a marketing guy but an operations guy? Hmmmmm

Again speed car is badass and I want one.

I think you are grossly underestimating what dragonfyre was.. they made a shit ton of parts a lot more than listed

 

[RiverDave]

Yea we’re talking

Seats
Seat mounts
Belts
Misc billet acc
Exhaust?
Then a distributor for other goods.

Still no where near the complexity of full blown car like the speed is.

Again I don’t see what TR is bringing to the table. I don’t see how is experience is benefiting the company.

To be perfectly clear on my stance

I think the speed car will be badass. It’s Eng is way above Polaris and can am right now. I really like the entire car. My biggest beef with speed is there PR campaign and way over commitment of product. I know in other markets being 2 years late. People start getting fired for lack of performance hence where TR comes into play. I don’t think he has the know how to put a project of this scale together and keep it on track with all the different systems and Eng changes they have been making. Someone also needs to reign that in some too.

I can say this as I have worked for companies taking on this and change is the enemy of efficiency. The supply chain isn’t the problems for delays anymore it’s the changes. Now are the changes necessary? Seems a lot are nice to have vs need to have. I understand it separates them from competition. Still designing a full car from scratch is widely huge project and I question if TR is the right guy?

We know the Eng is from RG and his team. Todd may have done the website and marketing to sell the spots he has but without delivering that doesn’t really hold much water. So not doubting Todd and a marketing guy but an operations guy? Hmmmmm

Again speed car is badass and I want one.

Seats
Seat mounts
Belts
Misc billet acc
Exhaust?
Then a distributor for other goods.

Still no where near the complexity of full blown car like the speed is.

Again I don’t see what TR is bringing to the table. I don’t see how is experience is benefiting the company.

To be perfectly clear on my stance

I think the speed car will be badass. It’s Eng is way above Polaris and can am right now. I really like the entire car. My biggest beef with speed is there PR campaign and way over commitment of product. I know in other markets being 2 years late. People start getting fired for lack of performance hence where TR comes into play. I don’t think he has the know how to put a project of this scale together and keep it on track with all the different systems and Eng changes they have been making. Someone also needs to reign that in some too.

I can say this as I have worked for companies taking on this and change is the enemy of efficiency. The supply chain isn’t the problems for delays anymore it’s the changes. Now are the changes necessary? Seems a lot are nice to have vs need to have. I understand it separates them from competition. Still designing a full car from scratch is widely huge project and I question if TR is the right guy?

We know the Eng is from RG and his team. Todd may have done the website and marketing to sell the spots he has but without delivering that doesn’t really hold much water. So not doubting Todd and a marketing guy but an operations guy? Hmmmmm

Again speed car is badass and I want one.

The one thing I will say 100%.. their PR is fucking terrible. Dare I say it’s worse than ole LOF on here.

They coulda paid me couple hundred thousand and be light years ahead without 95% less haters and still be money ahead. More importantly more orders ahead..

While that number sounds staggering.. to deal with problems of this magnitude and where they are it’s actually cheap.

 

[RiverDave]

Both those guys (RG and Todd) signed a 5 year development and marketing deal with Artic Cat in 2015.

I take it the latest Artic Cat WILDCAT XX SE is Bad ass? I have no idea but class leading 130hp.


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Only class that’s leading is special Ed

 

[RiverDave]

You guys continue talking about it like it's out and available and it'll meet all the promises and make you big bucks. I'm still skeptical about the whole deal but I'm glad it appears that the cars may actually be owned and driven by the public this year. Disclaimer: I'll again say I hope the cars are delivered and they're all Speed and you Fan Bois think they will be.

I assumed people paid out $ because they were willing to risk their deposits in order to get a Speed Car that performs. At some point the conversation shifted to INVESTMENT and how much $$$ could be made by those that put money down. To me that's quite different than wanting "the best SxS made."

Your whole post is about how much $$$ you can make and what a great investment it was. You might want to wait to count your $$$ until it's in your hand. You and especially Speed Queen (LOF) have been quick to callout those who question this SxS but investors know there's nothing like public questions or negative opinions to hurt investments. Seems that there's another group: Protect your INVESTMENTS

In the meantime...why is making $$$ the focus when this was all supposed to be ABOUT THE SPEED CAR? So it's OK to talk about this as an investment but those of us who have talked about the risks and potential for disappointment of those investments are HATERS.

Well Dan I would say this entire post is laughable because..

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At some point the conversation shifted to INVESTMENT and how much $$$ could be made by those that put money down. To me that's quite different than wanting "the best SxS made."

I am not really sure that argument has really been made before my post.. that is the first time I have truly seen it made in the threads. Not forecasting like Carl Sykes.. but actual turning money.

I did it.. and to put your little “wait to count your money” comment.. I already made quite a bit of money respectively.

That said as we near the end of the game I stand to make even more? 13k Just on a deposit. The money I outlayed in accessories remains to be determined but I built the cars as I’d use them.. I plan on keeping one 4 seater and selling the other to offset more costs.

I am quite sure the guy that buys one or the other of my cars isn’t gonna give a shit if he is paying a premium to get the latest and greatest especially if it’s built. I base that on the idea of people buying can ams with bolt ins for 60-90k. in the last week from dealers..

Carl might not be as crazy as everyone made him out to be.. that said I am not shooting for the stars when I know I can hit the moon.

The cars are coming.. if you can’t see that by now than I’m not sure what to tell ya. We aren’t years.. we are a couple months plus or minus a month out.

RD

 

[WhatExit?]

If you have no argument with me, you then must agree he has no point because if you agree with me, I just disproved his point.

I don’t dislike his posts, I just see them for what they are - gaslighting, and respond to them appropriately. If he just admitted that, it would be refreshing.

I always thought you were a fairly smart guy but very insecure as you spend hours in post-after-post, defending your purchase of a car that, to this day, does not exist as a consumable product.

You continue your personal attacks and now you say I'm gaslighting you: "Gaslighting is a form of emotional abuse that makes you question your beliefs and perception of reality." I'm emotionally abusing you?

At best you're deflecting which means: to attack or blame another person rather than accepting criticism or blame for your own actions

In every thread you deflect - you attack and blame others because your insecurity won't let you accept and actually engage with anyone else about their opinion. Your inability to have any real discussion of the issues about Speed's business, handling of the product's development, promotion or never ending promises that it's coming, indicates to me that you're either on their payroll or you're truly delusional. I'm almost surprised you didn't attack Dave for saying Speed's PR sucks. But you wouldn't dare question him as he's the only reason you're given enough time and post to blow up every Speed thread with impunity.

I give up engaging with you as you again remind me of the saying "never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”