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We sent a lot of military equipment up to and including attack aircraft during World War 2 to the USSR both prior to and after our entrance in 41.

But to your point, some in America were totally against that as they held the view that isolationism and appeasement were the better strategy.
Once again...using economic means, but not "in it" even then. Probably one of the many reasons Russia had more fatalities.

Russia has never been a friend to the west. When the revolution hit Russia, surprise, who backed the anti-communist "White Movement"? Those that are now NATO. Those countries had troops in Russia, "guarding munitions" so the Germans wouldn't get them...The Russians knew then it was a power play. When the communists won...suddenly the Euro forces left, not worried about the weapons anymore.

I don't know why there is such hate for the country, spanning centuries. I don't know why people are so anti-communist there, but seem all for it here...not you specifically, but typical dem voters. Change the name, and they don't recognize it I guess.
 

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Isnt it always great whenever any of us share an opinion that defers from the Oracle's he twists to "if you are for this, then you are for that". For an example, I'm really not sure who has said they are for allowing Russia to take Ukraine. Most all of us are for not being involved in or sending money to one of the most corrupt countries in the world, but that doesn't mean we are ok with Russia taking over Ukraine. Just love the Pretzel logic he uses all the time.
 

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Isnt it always great whenever any of us share an opinion that defers from the Oracle's he twists to "if you are for this, then you are for that". For an example, I'm really not sure who has said they are for allowing Russia to take Ukraine. Most all of us are for not being involved in or sending money to one of the most corrupt countries in the world, but that doesn't mean we are ok with Russia taking over Ukraine. Just love the Pretzel logic he uses all the time.
You mean like if one is not voting for Trump, they must be for Biden?
 

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You mean like if one is not voting for Trump, they must be for Biden?
When its a 2 person race, an anti-vote is a pro-vote for the competitor. You may not have voted for Biden, but your anti-vote and aligning beliefs sure do make you pro-Biden.
 

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When its a 2 person race, an anti-vote is a pro-vote for the competitor. You may not have voted for Biden, but your anti-vote and aligning beliefs sure do make you pro-Biden.
LOL

I get that you don't see the irony in your post.....
 

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We should pull out of there before Russia uses all our high tech shit for scrap metal. Military vehicles seem to perform better without all the emissions systems. ;)
 

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Funny, hasn't been in the news. Russia rolled heavy in the north eastern region of Ukraine. Supposedly the biggest offensive since spring of '22. Rumors are they are pushing the line back. As of last night, in some places 1-5 kilometers near Kharkiv.

Either it's for control of land, or in response to several drone attacks on Russian soil...probably both. Heat was turned up there, but all we hear is "Biden", "Hamas" and "Israel".
 

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Funny, hasn't been in the news. Russia rolled heavy in the north eastern region of Ukraine. Supposedly the biggest offensive since spring of '22. Rumors are they are pushing the line back. As of last night, in some places 1-5 kilometers near Kharkiv.

Either it's for control of land, or in response to several drone attacks on Russian soil...probably both. Heat was turned up there, but all we hear is "Biden", "Hamas" and "Israel".
Notice that there is no mention of illegal immigration anymore?
 

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While he packs his beak. Gee, sure hope that Fkr doesn't get shot down and perish in a firery plane crash, brought down by a Russian Mig. What a drag. For him.
 

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There hasn't been much fighting around Donetske...place has been rebuilding. On the anniversary of the Maidon, Ukraine decided to light up that city. A couple rockets were shot down, but a couple more made it into the city center. One took out an apartment building under construction, but another took out a cafe. A few fatalities, but not bad considering. The rockets were of American or British supply.

It made some news that Ukraine launched their biggest drone strike of the war. Rumored on both sides, "hundreds" of small drones. That's what caused the refinery fires in the Belgorod area. Russia responded a day or two later with missile strikes, mostly in the western areas of Ukraine, where supplies come in from Polland.

In the past couple weeks, 3 American ex-soldiers have been killed in fighting in the north eastern areas. At least 2 of which were still wearing their Marine patches. A lot of the soldiers fighting for Ukraine's "Foreign Legion" post things on social media. Good and bad in a way. Good, because most have been departed from direct employment by the armed forces for some time. Bad, because the other side scours these things looking for who they are and where they are. A whole lot of Colombians, probably more of them than any other group.

The news is still focused on Israel, but things aren't slowing at all it seems in Ukraine.
 

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Anyone else seen the video of KJP explaining to the press that 79 years ago, the US and Ukraine fought against Russia and Germany together...the only clip I found was on a not so friendly site.
 

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Must be another Economics Major. Whoever has the Crow contract for the White House mess hall is making bank.
 

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This entire hot mess is the nightmare reality plot of 1984 IRL. Moody Blues, "The Nightmare come true..."
The enemy, the need for constant war, Doublespeak. Erasing history, pitting each other against one another. All of it.
Godspeed
 

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I’ve been expecting this- the Russians have apparently learned how to electronically block the Himars rockets and the GPS guided artillery rounds. Should they figure out how to electronically defeat the Javelin, Ukraine is in big trouble. IMO anything electronic can be jammed or interfered with.

US-supplied Himars ‘completely ineffective’ as Russia jams skies with new tech
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/us-supplied-himars-completely-ineffective-190152865.html
 

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I’ve been expecting this- the Russians have apparently learned how to electronically block the Himars rockets and the GPS guided artillery rounds. Should they figure out how to electronically defeat the Javelin, Ukraine is in big trouble. IMO anything electronic can be jammed or interfered with.

US-supplied Himars ‘completely ineffective’ as Russia jams skies with new tech
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/us-supplied-himars-completely-ineffective-190152865.html
I don't know what has changed, and why this is news now. Russia had been saying this for a bit now. I think they may not be as accurate with a large radius...maybe more directed? Been a lot of unmanned attacks with seadoos from hell on Crimea lately, so maybe their magic isn't as good on remote controlled stuff like that.
 

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I don't know what has changed, and why this is news now. Russia had been saying this for a bit now. I think they may not be as accurate with a large radius...maybe more directed? Been a lot of unmanned attacks with seadoos from hell on Crimea lately, so maybe their magic isn't as good on remote controlled stuff like that.
I honestly don't understand why the drones and remotes are not being easily defeated. I have an electrical engineer in the family that worked on building radar detectors as well as military hardware. He is fully confident he could easily jam or confuse anything transmitted through the air. He is highly suspicious the russians and the west do not want this to end anytime soon.
 

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I honestly don't understand why the drones and remotes are not being easily defeated. I have an electrical engineer in the family that worked on building radar detectors as well as military hardware. He is fully confident he could easily jam or confuse anything transmitted through the air. He is highly suspicious the russians and the west do not want this to end anytime soon.
I think both sides have squad type, small hand held versions. Both sides are using the same stuff we have access to, so I'm thinking that if they have the ability to setup a "dead-zone", it would shut their stuff down as well. The small ray gun things I've seen are targeted, and force them down. Another, newer thing I saw recently was a 12g shell. The load had 6 weights, like a pie cut, attached to carbon fiber leads...Spider Man meets Walking Dead. It either snares the drone, or cuts the blades. Cheap and effective.
 

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"It's hard to say - do they want a global conflict?" Putin questioned, warning that Ukraine hitting Russian territory with externally supplied long-range weapons would make the West directly involved in the conflict.

He also appeared to reference a new agreement between Kiev and Paris which will see French military trainers be deployed to Ukrainian soil. Putin remarked that this puts the situation a big step closer to major direct confrontation between Russia and France - and ultimately the NATO alliance. That's when he warned the following...

They... "should be aware of what they are playing with" as they had small land areas and dense populations.
"This is a factor that they should keep in mind before talking about striking deep into Russian territory. This is a serious thing, and we are of course watching it very closely," Putin said.


Week after week, officials in the West find new ways to escalate (also in light of Russian forces making rapid gains in Kharkiv), and given that Zelensky has said it's 'impossible' to sit down at the negotiating table with Moscow so long as Putin is in power, there appears to be no off-ramp whatsoever.

These corrupt motherfuckers in the West are going to escalate WWIII because Donnie’s about to take his rightful seat again and they need to cancel the election.
 

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"It's hard to say - do they want a global conflict?" Putin questioned, warning that Ukraine hitting Russian territory with externally supplied long-range weapons would make the West directly involved in the conflict.

He also appeared to reference a new agreement between Kiev and Paris which will see French military trainers be deployed to Ukrainian soil. Putin remarked that this puts the situation a big step closer to major direct confrontation between Russia and France - and ultimately the NATO alliance. That's when he warned the following...

They... "should be aware of what they are playing with" as they had small land areas and dense populations.
"This is a factor that they should keep in mind before talking about striking deep into Russian territory. This is a serious thing, and we are of course watching it very closely," Putin said.


Week after week, officials in the West find new ways to escalate (also in light of Russian forces making rapid gains in Kharkiv), and given that Zelensky has said it's 'impossible' to sit down at the negotiating table with Moscow so long as Putin is in power, there appears to be no off-ramp whatsoever.

These corrupt motherfuckers in the West are going to escalate WWIII because Donnie’s about to take his rightful seat again and they need to cancel the election.
It appears to be a game of chicken. A madman at the helm of one ship, and a decrepit old fool at the hel of the other. In the meantime, the war pigs are cheering from the sidelines.

While all eyes are on Gaza, the embers are starting to burn brighter in less talked about countries. Cell phone video was taken in Chad, of a military convoy. This convoy was followed and cheered on by the villagers. The main thing of interest, a stocky, older, white man riding in the truck alongside the military leader. Looked a lot like Progozin. Russian peacekeepers are pulling out of Azerbaijan this week. The Georgian's are protesting their government's new west aligned leadership. Thailand has decided they want to join the BRICS block. It was a really busy past few days.
 

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It appears to be a game of chicken. A madman at the helm of one ship, and a decrepit old fool at the hel of the other. In the meantime, the war pigs are cheering from the sidelines.

While all eyes are on Gaza, the embers are starting to burn brighter in less talked about countries. Cell phone video was taken in Chad, of a military convoy. This convoy was followed and cheered on by the villagers. The main thing of interest, a stocky, older, white man riding in the truck alongside the military leader. Looked a lot like Progozin. Russian peacekeepers are pulling out of Azerbaijan this week. The Georgian's are protesting their government's new west aligned leadership. Thailand has decided they want to join the BRICS block. It was a really busy past few days.

The world has finally had enough of our bullshit two-face ways. Hopefully we can get it permanently turned around. I’m encouraged by the level of knowledge and engagement by the everyday common man, I just fear we’re too late.

I love my country, just not my government.

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It appears to be a game of chicken. A madman at the helm of one ship, and a decrepit old fool at the hel of the other. In the meantime, the war pigs are cheering from the sidelines.

While all eyes are on Gaza, the embers are starting to burn brighter in less talked about countries. Cell phone video was taken in Chad, of a military convoy. This convoy was followed and cheered on by the villagers. The main thing of interest, a stocky, older, white man riding in the truck alongside the military leader. Looked a lot like Progozin. Russian peacekeepers are pulling out of Azerbaijan this week. The Georgian's are protesting their government's new west aligned leadership. Thailand has decided they want to join the BRICS block. It was a really busy past few days.
BRICS member countries understand that promoting trade, commerce and cooperation in a joint fashion results in better outcomes and collective security.

American leadership, both the Democrats and MAGA are against international cooperation and trade focusing on isolationism, protectionism and international retreat. And some in American leadership support withdrawal from even American security agreements such as NATO.

If you were Thailand or any growing economy for that manner, what option has America given you relative to BRICS. It was American leadership that killed the TPP, the direct alternative to BRICS. It is leading American candidates that deride international security agreements. Our leadership leaves these countries little choice.

With respect to Ukraine, what exactly is your proposed solution? Would you support giving whatever part of Ukraine to Russia that Russia would like? And after that, if you were China what reason would you have to believe that the US wouldn’t just stand back if you took Taiwan after they abandoned Ukraine?

You’re a thoughtful person, I’m trying to understand your foreign policy plan?
 

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BRICS member countries understand that promoting trade, commerce and cooperation in a joint fashion results in better outcomes and collective security.

American leadership, both the Democrats and MAGA are against international cooperation and trade focusing on isolationism, protectionism and international retreat. And some in American leadership support withdrawal from even American security agreements such as NATO.

If you were Thailand or any growing economy for that manner, what option has America given you relative to BRICS. It was American leadership that killed the TPP, the direct alternative to BRICS. It is leading American candidates that deride international security agreements. Our leadership leaves these countries little choice.

With respect to Ukraine, what exactly is your proposed solution? Would you support giving whatever part of Ukraine to Russia that Russia would like? And after that, if you were China what reason would you have to believe that the US wouldn’t just stand back if you took Taiwan after they abandoned Ukraine?

You’re a thoughtful person, I’m trying to understand your foreign policy plan?
Well what would you suggest ? Another sustained conflict like Viet Nam where we pulled out and the communists ended up with the whole country anyway ? Another Afghanistan where we pulled out and gave the whole country to the Taliban ? Maybe we should negotiate here and keep half the country and end the conflict or would you suggest keeping on losing the whole fucking works AGAIN . We're getting our ass kicked with our high tech garbage. Our allies, but our allies. What the fuck have they ever done for us ?
 

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BRICS member countries understand that promoting trade, commerce and cooperation in a joint fashion results in better outcomes and collective security.

American leadership, both the Democrats and MAGA are against international cooperation and trade focusing on isolationism, protectionism and international retreat. And some in American leadership support withdrawal from even American security agreements such as NATO.

If you were Thailand or any growing economy for that manner, what option has America given you relative to BRICS. It was American leadership that killed the TPP, the direct alternative to BRICS. It is leading American candidates that deride international security agreements. Our leadership leaves these countries little choice.

With respect to Ukraine, what exactly is your proposed solution? Would you support giving whatever part of Ukraine to Russia that Russia would like? And after that, if you were China what reason would you have to believe that the US wouldn’t just stand back if you took Taiwan after they abandoned Ukraine?

You’re a thoughtful person, I’m trying to understand your foreign policy plan?
The BRICS global growth is very worrisome, as now other countries are using currency other than the dollar. That, to me, weakens it more. I know somehow you will tie this all back to Trump, but it would be foolish to think this wasn't started many years ago. The problemI see is that people only think of the 5 countries in the BRICS name, not the others in agreement. When the oil producing countries went along as well, that seems to be bad for us.

As for Ukraine, I think my foreign policy would have been to stay out of their politics, and not try to install a government more suited to our liking. That time has past though, and now whoever takes the reigns takes this mess as well. I think, if I were in the current administration, I would have hoped England and Germany would have pressed for the ratification of the Istanbul Agreements, where both Russian and Ukrainian leaders agreed on a halt to hostilities, and a new boundary line. That, sadly, was dismissed by groups not officially fighting.

I don't know what I'd do at this point. Money is being shoveled out faster than it can be printed. The bodies are filling up plots of land adjacent to national cemeteries. Yet, the powers that be push for attacks further into Russia.

I don't know what Russia's charter says, what powers and what could change. Russia has not declared "war". It does sound as it's getting closer though, after France's most recent agreement to send troops. (Trainers, though closer to the front lines. Logic being troops could be trained and put to work more efficiently.)
 

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Gabriel Attal should read the history on emperor Napoleon's failure to conquer Russia. Obviously he missed history class about Napoleonic wars. Another young politician, as bad as our prime minister in Canadastan.:p
 

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Gabriel Attal should read the history on emperor Napoleon's failure to conquer Russia. Obviously he missed history class about Napoleonic wars. Another young politician, as bad as our prime minister in Canadastan.:p
All the leaders pushing for war aren't really history buffs it seems. They spout off things that were probably answers on the multiple choice quizzes. The wrong answers, with the right names.
 

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The previous agreement about American arms in Ukraine was the limitations of use. They were to be only used on Ukrainian soil. That was the main reason English missiles, and Australian drones had been used to strike Russian targets within their own borders. Tuesday, the DOD presser stated stated that there "was no change they were aware of". Yesterday, the Pentagon spokeswoman announced that has changed, and American long range missiles can be used directly against Russian targets.

There was also another attack on the Crimean port. More advanced than others, at least better planned. 2-3 of their aquatic drones were sent out, and quickly targeted. The port has a floating boom, a gate so to speak. When the first were targeted, the boom was opened to let vessels engage. At this point, several more were sent. Of those, it looks as if 2 or 3 hit targets within the port.

In other news, it looks as if a joint operation with English and American assets took place in Yemen. Looks as if the target was a television broadcast building. To be fair, the equipment at a facility like probably had other abilities than broadcasting Sesame Street. The problem is the optics of a non-military target with a body count.

All this happened, and no one in the states heard about it. Other things on the news. Bread and circus...
 

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