Russia and Ukraine

[530RL]

The Speaker’s inner Reagan finally pokes up his head.

House passes $60B Ukraine aid bill as GOP rebels threaten to oust Johnson

The House of Representatives passed a bill to send aid to Ukraine on Saturday even as the issue has divided the GOP.

www.foxnews.com

 

[monkeyswrench]

Inner Reagan? He was anti-communist, not pro-corruption and theft. I was young when he was around though, so maybe he was just as bought and paid for as our current band of slimy thieves, and I didn't know it. Maybe they were just less obvious in their corruption then.

If it's done on weekends, Fridays or late at night, probably shady dealings. Best time for street walkers, pimps and Crack heads...best time for politicians to do things as well.

 

[SNiC Jet]

I do not ever recall a time when Ronald Reagan turned his back on the American people.

 

[530RL]

Inner Reagan? He was anti-communist, not pro-corruption and theft. I was young when he was around though, so maybe he was just as bought and paid for as our current band of slimy thieves, and I didn't know it. Maybe they were just less obvious in their corruption then.

If it's done on weekends, Fridays or late at night, probably shady dealings. Best time for street walkers, pimps and Crack heads...best time for politicians to do things as well.

Unlike MAGA, Reagan was not pro-communist, pro-Russia and pro-appeasement. He certainly was not a fan of Chamberlain like the current crop of MAGA folks in the House. Russia doesn’t refer to MTG as Russia‘s Special Envoy to the House of Representatives for no reason.

Reagan knew that other leaders were watching. He would have clearly understood that if America fails to help Ukraine, we might as well give Xi a lift over to Taiwan and throw him a coronation party. Reagan believed in American leadership on the world stage, not American retreat as does MAGA.

And Johnson’s leadership on this issue, although slow and late, shows he is finally starting to understand the reality of what America is facing on the world stage.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Unlike MAGA, Reagan was not pro-communist, pro-Russia and pro-appeasement. He certainly was not a fan of Chamberlain like the current crop of MAGA folks in the House. Russia doesn’t refer to MTG as Russia‘s Special Envoy to the House of Representatives for no reason.

Reagan knew that other leaders were watching. He would have clearly understood that if America fails to help Ukraine, we might as well give Xi a lift over to Taiwan and throw him a coronation party. Reagan believed in American leadership on the world stage, not American retreat as does MAGA.

And Johnson’s leadership on this issue, although slow and late, shows he is finally starting to understand the reality of what America is facing on the world stage.

Reagan new other leaders were watching...I don't know if our current leadership cares. Other leaders, actually, humans in general, are watching. "Failing to help" is relative. We are currently helping to fail. I believe we are close to 300 billion dollars now, maybe more. The casualties have exceeded over 100,000...by Ukraine's estimates.

We started the war there...some people refuse to understand that. We funded the opposition and the protesters. We backed the groups spewing hate based on language or lineage. We propped up a minority group, and encouraged them to shout down and abuse the natives. Think about that. Then think about how our own government is propping up groups here, and seemingly backing their lawlessness. We are becoming the poster child for the "Too Big To Fail" campaign. The world may soon laugh at our arrogance, if we don't fix things fast.

Night before last, a unit of Ukrainian soldiers swam across the Dnepier, and surrendered. The vast majority of troops are not prepared nor properly trained. The NY Times did an article yesterday saying Russia is "bringing in contract soldiers to avoid the draft". At a glance, one would think mercenaries. Any realist would understand Putin wouldn't give a shit about drafting fodder. "Contract" soldiers are those that join voluntarily. A play on words by the Times to reach our masses with half truths.

I don't back Putin, MTG and especially not the senile old man in office. Many people have died horrible deaths alone and in the trenches, for people that care only for wealth and conquest. I can't back that at all.

 

[regor]

The Speaker’s inner Reagan finally pokes up his head.

House passes $60B Ukraine aid bill as GOP rebels threaten to oust Johnson

The House of Representatives passed a bill to send aid to Ukraine on Saturday even as the issue has divided the GOP.

www.foxnews.com

Ah yes, the Lords of Easy Money with their pom poms out!!!

i’M a cOnSeRvAtIvE………

No, yore a corrupt POS who’s destroying the middle class with yore money printing thievery.

 

[Wedgy]

Unlike MAGA, Reagan was not pro-communist, pro-Russia and pro-appeasement. He certainly was not a fan of Chamberlain like the current crop of MAGA folks in the House. Russia doesn’t refer to MTG as Russia‘s Special Envoy to the House of Representatives for no reason.

Reagan knew that other leaders were watching. He would have clearly understood that if America fails to help Ukraine, we might as well give Xi a lift over to Taiwan and throw him a coronation party. Reagan believed in American leadership on the world stage, not American retreat as does MAGA.

And Johnson’s leadership on this issue, although slow and late, shows he is finally starting to understand the reality of what America is facing on the world stage.

And not a word about American troops stranded and abandoned in Niger. Equip and Train mission gone awry, State department coverup. Fixin to go FUBAR. Benghazi 2.0. Top down, stupid people failure. Great "System..."
We trained the Coup leader, who promptly overthrew and took over the Nigerian government. The U.S. says, "Coup." Butthurt Warlord cuts off U.S. access/flights/resupply. Newsflash, that's a hostage situation.
But Russia Russia Russia. Cankles sure got her money's worth. "It's got legs, we believe it's going to run and run..."

Matt Gaetz Embarrasses Army Secretary - Exposes Biden Regime's Cover-Up in Niger! - Embassy Silent on the Hundreds of US Troops Stuck in Niger Reportedly without Medicine and Water | The Gateway Pundit | by Jim Hoft

Rep.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[bonesfab]

The Speaker’s inner Reagan finally pokes up his head.

House passes $60B Ukraine aid bill as GOP rebels threaten to oust Johnson

The House of Representatives passed a bill to send aid to Ukraine on Saturday even as the issue has divided the GOP.

www.foxnews.com

The Demoshits fucked Reagan on the border too. Things still haven't changed in 40 plus years. Reagan gave them amnesty on the promise of securing the border back then. And what have they done?? secured every other border and built walls to nowhere in the middle east and just made big signs in Mexico telling them where to pass through. The people in charge have NEVER wanted to secure the US southern border. Another reason it was GET TRUMP. He cut off their supply of illegals for labor and sex trafficking.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1782152067639034189

 

[spectras only]

Ukraine uses long-range ATACMS against Russia for the first time

The U.S. provided Ukraine with the powerful ballistic missiles this month but did not reveal it publicly for operational security reasons, a National Security Council spokesperson said.

www.nbcnews.com

The White House also concealed the decision to send the medium-range ATACMS in 2023, acknowledging it only after Ukraine used them in combat. Administration officials also cited operational security as the reason for its secrecy.

The Biden administration had resisted sending the long-range missiles over the past two years because officials worried Ukraine would use them to strike inside Crimea or Russia and prompt Russian President Vladimir Putin to escalate the conflict. White House and Pentagon officials have expressed similar concerns about other sophisticated weapons systems but have repeatedly decided to provide them to Ukraine.

Expect to see some serious countermeasure by the Russians shortly. S......t could hit the fan!

Ps;

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1783813323315634638

The United States has authorized the Armed Forces of Ukraine (AFU) to hit facilities in Crimea with long-range ATACMS missiles that were recently transferred to Kyiv, senior Pentagon officials have told The New York Times.

 

[regor]

Two can play the Marxist game....................

Russia To Seize $440 Million From JPMorgan​

JPMorgan said it faced "certain and irreparable harm"...

THU APR 25, AT 7:45 AM

 

[monkeyswrench]

Two can play the Marxist game....................

Russia To Seize $440 Million From JPMorgan​

JPMorgan said it faced "certain and irreparable harm"...

THU APR 25, AT 7:45 AM

Well, we've been told Russia is the group to steal, funny that they can do the same. I would assume the US actions will hurt Russian investors, and their's ours. Not good for any of us normal folk.

 

[regor]

Well, we've been told Russia is the group to steal, funny that they can do the same. I would assume the US actions will hurt Russian investors, and their's ours. Not good for any of us normal folk.

Not good for the dollar's prospects either.....................when other countries see how far you're willing to go to weaponize it.

 

[TonyFanelli]

Shit was all planned out! Why, if the pics in this article were published before the invasion, wouldn't Ukraine blow the shit out of this 3 mile long, one way in convoy? Would have probably stopped the shit right then IMO

Massive Convoy Of Hundreds Of Russian Military Vehicles Stretching For Miles Spotted Heading To Kyiv | Conservative News Daily™

A massive convoy of hundreds of Russian military vehicles was spotted on Sunday in satellite images that showed the vehicles moving toward the capital of Ukraine, Kyiv.“A long convoy is

www.conservativenewsdaily.net

 

[monkeyswrench]

Shit was all planned out! Why, if the pics in this article were published before the invasion, wouldn't Ukraine blow the shit out of this 3 mile long, one way in convoy? Would have probably stopped the shit right then IMO

Massive Convoy Of Hundreds Of Russian Military Vehicles Stretching For Miles Spotted Heading To Kyiv | Conservative News Daily™

A massive convoy of hundreds of Russian military vehicles was spotted on Sunday in satellite images that showed the vehicles moving toward the capital of Ukraine, Kyiv.“A long convoy is

www.conservativenewsdaily.net

They rolled towards Kyiv, and then there were "Peace Talks", with the Germans and English in Turkey. Russians were to pull back in the north, Ukraine was to pull out of the east. A brief cease fire happened in the east while Russia sent their troops to Belarus, away from Kyiv. The people in the east thought it was good...until they started firing artillery and missiles again.

The Kyiv government threw their own people into the line of fire, but saved themselves. The news of the accords was big around Europe, but not much at all here. Someone wanted a prolonged war, and got it

 

[Sandlord]

They rolled towards Kyiv, and then there were "Peace Talks", with the Germans and English in Turkey. Russians were to pull back in the north, Ukraine was to pull out of the east. A brief cease fire happened in the east while Russia sent their troops to Belarus, away from Kyiv. The people in the east thought it was good...until they started firing artillery and missiles again.

The Kyiv government threw their own people into the line of fire, but saved themselves. The news of the accords was big around Europe, but not much at all here. Someone wanted a prolonged war, and got it

Yup, there would have been a cease fire a long time ago, but someone from the UK or EU stopped it. (I forgot who?)
Vlad remembers and mentioned it to Tucker.

 

[HotRod82]

This is the only war in recent history where no-one is calling for peace talks. Think about that for a minute.

 

[monkeyswrench]

This is the only war in recent history where no-one is calling for peace talks. Think about that for a minute.

The soldiers on both sides, and the people being effected are...but no one in charge wants to listen.

 

[530RL]

This is the only war in recent history where no-one is calling for peace talks. Think about that for a minute.

Really?

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-peace-talks-without-russia-will-fail-kremlin-spokesman-says-2024-03-26/

Medvedev says ‘Ukraine is definitely Russia’, rules out peace talks

The former Russian president says parts of Ukraine should ‘return home’ as he rules out peace talks with Zelenskyy.

www.aljazeera.com

Russian minister casts prospective Ukraine peace talks as Western plot to win hesitant Global South

Russia’s Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has warned that prospective negotiations to end the fighting in Ukraine could be successful only if they take Moscow’s interests in the account.

apnews.com

https://www.reuters.com/world/china-considers-taking-part-swiss-ukraine-peace-talks-ambassador-says-2024-03-18/

 

[monkeyswrench]

It's been rumored that the "bankers" keep sending money to continue fighting...like aid packages to be pilfered to sway the opinions of the corrupt. Kyiv approaches peace talks, rumors fly...and then another "aid package" comes about. They take money, and send more to their deaths. Selling souls for profit, but running out of men to draft. The Ukrainian draft age has been opened up to being basically 16 to 60. They need more bodies to convert to cash. Nothing will change until the corrupt leaders are replaced. Who know if the replacements will be any better though.

 

[530RL]

It's been rumored that the "bankers" keep sending money to continue fighting...like aid packages to be pilfered to sway the opinions of the corrupt. Kyiv approaches peace talks, rumors fly...and then another "aid package" comes about. They take money, and send more to their deaths. Selling souls for profit, but running out of men to draft. The Ukrainian draft age has been opened up to being basically 16 to 60. They need more bodies to convert to cash. Nothing will change until the corrupt leaders are replaced. Who know if the replacements will be any better though.

Having been there twice over several decades, I believe there is actual Ukranian patriotism and they do not want to be subject to an unelected autocrat in Putin who has raped their women, killed their children and has no interest in the rights, freedoms or liberties of those who live in Ukraine. They do not want to be his subjects. They are as individuals willing to die for their freedom, regardless of where their leaders stand.

But as we see in America, some people are happy to be subjugated to an authoritarian leader leaving their rights and freedoms behind. So maybe it is a combination of your view and mine?

 

[monkeyswrench]

I've never been to Ukraine, but I think most countries are filled with people that do not want to die, and do not want to kill. I'm not "pro-Putin", but am very anti-Zelensky. In a way, possibly the same as you are not pro-Biden, but vehemently anti-Trump. You look at me as a "Putnick", and I you, as a liberal.

The lines of division are drawn globally for different matters. It's really sad, as when you really look, those lines are painted wide enough to cover all sides. Those that are dead against one religion, fail to see that their's is really most congruent with the one they hate. Much is the same for politics. Both sides will always claim the other is evil, and themselves the savior. The truth really is, the only thing that can save the people, are the people.

For what it's worth, I know of people that have fought on both sides of this current fiasco. It sounds as if all sides have been lied to at times. I think it seems a village by village basis, who would rather be Russian, and who would rather be Ukrainian. Really, not much different than here. Los Angeles and San Francisco praise Biden, but the more rural areas can't stand him.

We have no business funding a war there, when our own country is both under attack and falling apart.

 

[regor]

Having been there twice over several decades, I believe there is actual Ukranian patriotism and they do not want to be subject to an unelected autocrat in Putin who has raped their women, killed their children and has no interest in the rights, freedoms or liberties of those who live in Ukraine. They do not want to be his subjects. They are as individuals willing to die for their freedom, regardless of where their leaders stand.

But as we see in America, some people are happy to be subjugated to an authoritarian leader leaving their rights and freedoms behind. So maybe it is a combination of your view and mine?

Fucking lying faggot……..

 

[530RL]

I've never been to Ukraine, but I think most countries are filled with people that do not want to die, and do not want to kill. I'm not "pro-Putin", but am very anti-Zelensky. In a way, possibly the same as you are not pro-Biden, but vehemently anti-Trump. You look at me as a "Putnick", and I you, as a liberal.

The lines of division are drawn globally for different matters. It's really sad, as when you really look, those lines are painted wide enough to cover all sides. Those that are dead against one religion, fail to see that their's is really most congruent with the one they hate. Much is the same for politics. Both sides will always claim the other is evil, and themselves the savior. The truth really is, the only thing that can save the people, are the people.

For what it's worth, I know of people that have fought on both sides of this current fiasco. It sounds as if all sides have been lied to at times. I think it seems a village by village basis, who would rather be Russian, and who would rather be Ukrainian. Really, not much different than here. Los Angeles and San Francisco praise Biden, but the more rural areas can't stand him.

We have no business funding a war there, when our own country is both under attack and falling apart.

Those that support funding Ukraine are not funding a war for shits and giggles or for ten percent as repeatedly alleged in here, but to prevent wider regional war or even worse, war in Europe and in Asia where our American blood would be spilled as it was in the 40’s.

It would be nice to live in a world where people just want to live peacefully, but that has never existed at any time in human history.

At the same time I understand those both in 1930 as well as today that believe appeasement is the best path forward for America.

Leadership is never easy.

 

[Wedgy]

Like you would fucking know...

 

[Sandlord]

Those that support funding Ukraine are not funding a war for shits and giggles or for ten percent as repeatedly alleged in here, but to prevent wider regional war or even worse, war in Europe and in Asia where our American blood would be spilled as it was in the 40’s.

It would be nice to live in a world where people just want to live peacefully, but that has never existed at any time in human history.

At the same time I understand those both in 1930 as well as today that believe appeasement is the best path forward for America.

Leadership is never easy.

Russia couldn’t beat Afghanistan or Ukraine so far. And you think they are going to take on NATO.

 

[530RL]

Russia couldn’t beat Afghanistan or Ukraine so far. And you think they are going to take on NATO.

Neither could the US take Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.

If you think the point of invading Ukraine is to solely physically take Ukraine, you’re not thinking about the strategic use and value of warfare in modern times.

 

[Sandlord]

Neither could the US take Korea, Vietnam, Iraq or Afghanistan.

If you think the point of invading Ukraine is to solely physically take Ukraine, you’re not thinking about the strategic use and value of warfare in modern times.

Well that logic just invalidates your earlier statement.
so which is it?

 

[530RL]

Well that logic just invalidates your earlier statement.
so which is it?

It remains the same. Arming Ukraine to defend itself is in the United States national security interests.

I get others disagree. But a bi-partisan majority in both the House and Senate agrees with this statement.

 

[Wedgy]

Yes. He's full of shit. My dogs have more integrity. Even Fred. And He's dead.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Those that support funding Ukraine are not funding a war for shits and giggles or for ten percent as repeatedly alleged in here, but to prevent wider regional war or even worse, war in Europe and in Asia where our American blood would be spilled as it was in the 40’s.

It would be nice to live in a world where people just want to live peacefully, but that has never existed at any time in human history.

At the same time I understand those both in 1930 as well as today that believe appeasement is the best path forward for America.

Leadership is never easy.

The US has roughly 750 military installations spread across 80 foreign countries.
Russia, by way of comparison, has 21 spread across less than 10 countries. All but one are in countries formerly USSR.

It's really hard to find out exact totals, as the US doesn't count FOB's like those in Syria, and neither does Russia.

Just loosely based on those numbers, what country seems more invested in influencing foreign governments? Common sense would dictate that we have peddled influence by economics and force to a much broader degree.

Myself, I'd want those same soldiers here, guarding our border. The government seems happy to guard and influence others, with our money, and leave us in a state of despair. I don't think the Ukraine war is only for 10% profits. I think the reasons go much deeper, and we'll see it in time.

 

[brgrcru]

It remains the same. Arming Ukraine to defend itself is in the United States national security interests.

I get others disagree. But a bi-partisan majority in both the House and Senate agrees with this statement.

Ya because , all those traitors in the house and senate , have destroyed our country

 

[Chili Palmer]

You do know that if Trump was president when Putin made the announcement that he was going to invade Ukraine, he would have been on Air Force One straight to Moscow and ask Putin if he really thought his gameplan through. But we all know that if Trump was president Putin wouldn’t have done this.

 

[Wedgy]

Because Buck Fiden

 

[monkeyswrench]

You do know that if Trump was president when Putin made the announcement that he was going to invade Ukraine, he would have been on Air Force One straight to Moscow and ask Putin if he really thought his gameplan through. But we all know that if Trump was president Putin wouldn’t have done this.

Trump wouldn't have continued funding the nationalists trying to kill off the ethnic Russians. Obama started it, there are videos of senators visiting and telling Ukraine leadership that "after the election" they'd be able to do more. Well, Trump surprised them, and beat out Hillary. 4 years an not so much on the news. Biden gets in, and ships them a ton of weapons and "advisors", and here we are...

 

[regor]

It remains the same. Arming Ukraine to defend itself is in the United States national security interests.

I get others disagree. But a bi-partisan majority in both the House and Senate agrees with this statement.

The people don’t and those crooks work for them.

 

[530RL]

You do know that if Trump was president when Putin made the announcement that he was going to invade Ukraine, he would have been on Air Force One straight to Moscow and ask Putin if he really thought his gameplan through. But we all know that if Trump was president Putin wouldn’t have done this.

That is speculation. No one knows. But if we are going to speculate, here is another plausible scenario.

If trump was president, Ukraine may have fallen in the first week when they tried to take Kiev as he would have encouraged it.

And since we are speculating, China would then fully know that Taiwan is free for the taking and we would all be wondering when we could get semiconductor chips again.

Trump did surrender Afghanistan to the Taliban in the Doha Accords so there is a historical basis for believing Trump would have given them all up to authoritarianism.

 

[HotRod82]

That is speculation. No one knows. But if we are going to speculate, here is another plausible scenario.

If trump was president, Ukraine may have fallen in the first week when they tried to take Kiev as he would have encouraged it.

And since we are speculating, China would then fully know that Taiwan is free for the taking and we would all be wondering when we could get semiconductor chips again.

Trump did surrender Afghanistan to the Taliban in the Doha Accords so there is a historical basis for believing Trump would have given them all up to authoritarianism.

Russia never attempted to take Kiev. Russia sent a few hundred prisoners and non-soldiers toward Kiev to force the Ukrainian defense forces to fall back from the front lines and protect Kiev. Russia then occupied the only area they wanted and stopped. Think about it. Russia could steamroll Ukraine at any time, they are choosing not to. Russia wants chaos, and to bleed the West dry.....and they are succeeding. Russia is making more money now than they were pre-war. They are winning the chess game. Bleed the west dry, encourage illegal immigration into Europe, and push BRICS.

Serious question....If Russia really isn't capable of steamrolling Ukraine, then why would we be worried about "Russia rolling across Europe" like Biden and his minions claim?

 

[regor]

Trump did surrender Afghanistan to the Taliban in the Doha Accords so there is a historical basis for believing Trump would have given them all up to authoritarianism.

Trump started the process of ending yore never ending war and once you scumbags got the chance, you just started another one in Ukraine.

Lying two-faced POS.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1784739796197269970

 

[regor]

Trying to cement their theft..................

Biden Looks To Prevent Future President From Ending Ukraine War With 10-Year Agreement​

'Trump-proofing' future support...

MON APR 29, AT 7:00 AM

"We are discussing the specific foundations of our security and cooperation. We are also working on fixing specific levels of support for this year and the next 10 years."

 

[530RL]

Russia never attempted to take Kiev. Russia sent a few hundred prisoners and non-soldiers toward Kiev to force the Ukrainian defense forces to fall back from the front lines and protect Kiev. Russia then occupied the only area they wanted and stopped. Think about it. Russia could steamroll Ukraine at any time, they are choosing not to. Russia wants chaos, and to bleed the West dry.....and they are succeeding. Russia is making more money now than they were pre-war. They are winning the chess game. Bleed the west dry, encourage illegal immigration into Europe, and push BRICS.

Serious question....If Russia really isn't capable of steamrolling Ukraine, then why would we be worried about "Russia rolling across Europe" like Biden and his minions claim?

Interesting view of history with respect to the 40 mile long convoy of equipment and troops to invade Ukraine and try to sack Kiev. Why would a “few hundred” prisoners have a 40 mile long convoy heading to Kiev? That’s just a few soldiers per mile. How were all those children killed, women raped, people bound and executed? A few hundred did that?

The reason the United States and the free world is concerned about Russia and wants to contain it in Ukraine is for the exact reasons you state. The more places and countries directly involved in physical warfare the more that economy and physical productive plant gets destroyed leading to hunger, poor health outcomes, lower standards of living, and a host of other outcomes. Autocrats and invasions are bad for the economy and the people.

 

[regor]

Interesting view of history with respect to the 40 mile long convoy of equipment and troops to invade Ukraine and try to sack Kiev. Why would a “few hundred” prisoners have a 40 mile long convoy heading to Kiev? That’s just a few soldiers per mile. How were all those children killed, women raped, people bound and executed? A few hundred did that?

The reason the United States and the free world is concerned about Russia and wants to contain it in Ukraine is for the exact reasons you state. The more places and countries directly involved in physical warfare the more that economy and physical productive plant gets destroyed leading to hunger, poor health outcomes, lower standards of living, and a host of other outcomes. Autocrats and invasions are bad for the economy and the people.

Ukraine Army Chief Admits 'Tactical' Retreat Underway​

...conceding the loss of territory to the advancing Russians...

MON APR 29, AT 8:20 AM

What's next, you going to support sending our boys to get slaughtered like you scumbags did to them in Afghanistan and Iraq?

 

[HotRod82]

Interesting view of history with respect to the 40 mile long convoy of equipment and troops to invade Ukraine and try to sack Kiev. Why would a “few hundred” prisoners have a 40 mile long convoy heading to Kiev? That’s just a few soldiers per mile. How were all those children killed, women raped, people bound and executed? A few hundred did that?

The reason the United States and the free world is concerned about Russia and wants to contain it in Ukraine is for the exact reasons you state. The more places and countries directly involved in physical warfare the more that economy and physical productive plant gets destroyed leading to hunger, poor health outcomes, lower standards of living, and a host of other outcomes. Autocrats and invasions are bad for the economy and the people.

LOL. Are you absolutely sure it was the Russians raping and pillaging? Did you not see the videos of ACTUAL NAZIS involved in this mess?

So you really think Ukraine has contained Russia?
If Ukraine has contained them so easily, why are we worried about them hitting NATO? Ukraine has already defeated them!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Both sides have done some vile stuff. It's war. War is not pretty, nor civilized. It's really pretty barbaric, even if the killing is done with cutting edge technology...it's still no better than clubs. I think the difference is, some people understand that war is a pretty heinous thing. Others see it as a necessity for some reason. Some think one side is manned by Paladins, dressed in white, fighting for justice, and the others wear black robes and worship a dark lord.

When one realizes the loss of life is high on both sides, they may also realize something else. They may realize that in some ways our government, and NATO, are possibly the most disgraceful players in the game. Unlike Russia sending their allies and citizens to death, they simply pay to have Zelensky send his citizens the their's. Untrained, out gunned and ill equipped on many levels. Nothing more than pimps, whoring out a country for their own gain.

 

[530RL]

Both sides have done some vile stuff. It's war. War is not pretty, nor civilized. It's really pretty barbaric, even if the killing is done with cutting edge technology...it's still no better than clubs. I think the difference is, some people understand that war is a pretty heinous thing. Others see it as a necessity for some reason. Some think one side is manned by Paladins, dressed in white, fighting for justice, and the others wear black robes and worship a dark lord.

When one realizes the loss of life is high on both sides, they may also realize something else. They may realize that in some ways our government, and NATO, are possibly the most disgraceful players in the game. Unlike Russia sending their allies and citizens to death, they simply pay to have Zelensky send his citizens the their's. Untrained, out gunned and ill equipped on many levels. Nothing more than pimps, whoring out a country for their own gain.

War is going to happen. As you point out, if Ukrainian citizens are going to go fight for their freedom, shouldn’t we at least give them a fighting chance?

It would be nice if war would not happen, but once one accepts it will, it is a choice on what we do.

 

[regor]

War is going to happen. As you point out, if Ukrainian citizens are going to go fight for their freedom, shouldn’t we at least give them a fighting chance?

It would be nice if war would not happen, but once one accepts it will, it is a choice on what we do.

No, expanding NATO to Russia’s doorstep was the choice scumbag, but nice try as always.

 

[monkeyswrench]

War is going to happen. As you point out, if Ukrainian citizens are going to go fight for their freedom, shouldn’t we at least give them a fighting chance?

It would be nice if war would not happen, but once one accepts it will, it is a choice on what we do.

Let the Nazi's fight the Russians, just as they did on the eastern front during WWII. We didn't fight with the Russians, nor back the Nazi's. The result was close to 30 million dead...without our "help". Somewhere between 8 and 9 million of those deaths were children. That was during a full blown war. Right now Russia is still calling it a "Special Military Operation". They seem more careful on what they define as a "war", having lost close to 27 million of their own during WWII. It seems the US likes the term "war", as they can get the general public to back such. It's easier to draw the support of those who have not witnessed violence, by telling them it is for the best interests of mankind.

 

[530RL]

Let the Nazi's fight the Russians, just as they did on the eastern front during WWII. We didn't fight with the Russians, nor back the Nazi's. The result was close to 30 million dead...without our "help". Somewhere between 8 and 9 million of those deaths were children. That was during a full blown war. Right now Russia is still calling it a "Special Military Operation". They seem more careful on what they define as a "war", having lost close to 27 million of their own during WWII. It seems the US likes the term "war", as they can get the general public to back such. It's easier to draw the support of those who have not witnessed violence, by telling them it is for the best interests of mankind.

We sent a lot of military equipment up to and including attack aircraft during World War 2 to the USSR both prior to and after our entrance in 41.

But to your point, some in America were totally against that as they held the view that isolationism and appeasement were the better strategy.

 

[regor]

We sent a lot of military equipment up to and including attack aircraft during World War 2 to the USSR both prior to and after our entrance in 41.

But to your point, some in America were totally against that as they held the view that isolationism and appeasement were the better strategy.

We weren't broke then and we had a manufacturing base.....................until you corrupt globalist scumbags off-shored them.

There's PLENTY of money in Europe to solve THEIR problems, it's time they do and if you corrupt thieves could stop causing them, that would be great.