Russia and Ukraine

[monkeyswrench]

Putin had, at the time of the "coup" told Wagner troops they could join Russian forces, or go to Belarus. Maybe he just took over?

Or...it was staged to incite anger to avenge, while removing an opponent and unifying forces..If blame is cast on others.

Or...Poland did it because Wagner had been somewhat provoking them at the border, flying short incursions over their troops.

Or...it was done by a third party to further destabilize the situation.

Or...he was headed to tell someone in Moscow something about Clinton's, Obama or Brandon.

 

[530RL]

Putin had, at the time of the "coup" told Wagner troops they could join Russian forces, or go to Belarus. Maybe he just took over?

Or...it was staged to incite anger to avenge, while removing an opponent and unifying forces..If blame is cast on others.

Or...Poland did it because Wagner had been somewhat provoking them at the border, flying short incursions over their troops.

Or...it was done by a third party to further destabilize the situation.

Or...he was headed to tell someone in Moscow something about Clinton's, Obama or Brandon.

If we’d just quit arming Ukraine while remaining in NATO and let Putin take over all of Western and Eastern Europe we wouldn’t have these problems.

 

[Sandlord]

When you turn on Putin and try to take him down…
and he ends up giving you “safe passage“ out of Russia..
and you rub his nose in it by repeatedly returning to Russia…well

or it was done by someone loyal to Zelinsky or the CIA.

 

[monkeyswrench]

If we’d just quit arming Ukraine while remaining in NATO and let Putin take over all of Western and Eastern Europe we wouldn’t have these problems.

NATO arming Ukraine is like spending your life savings on a stripper...

It may be fun for a bit, but it will never end well.

As for Russia taking Europe...isn't that the same as NATO arming non-NATO countries? In many ways, NATO is expanding, but pointing at Russia saying they are.
It's like the politicians here do, on a smaller scale. Acuse others of their own actions.

 

[Taboma]

NATO arming Ukraine is like spending your life savings on a stripper...

It may be fun for a bit, but it will never end well.

As for Russia taking Europe...isn't that the same as NATO arming non-NATO countries? In many ways, NATO is expanding, but pointing at Russia saying they are.
It's like the politicians here do, on a smaller scale. Acuse others of their own actions.

It might be the same for you -- but for myself and many other Americans, NATO might not be any shining angel, but Russia is certainly the Devil.
So no, I do not see it the same way, even remotely.
But already having had this conversation with you, you've made it clear you favor Russia.

 

[Racey]

NATO arming Ukraine is like spending your life savings on a stripper...

It may be fun for a bit, but it will never end well.

As for Russia taking Europe...isn't that the same as NATO arming non-NATO countries? In many ways, NATO is expanding, but pointing at Russia saying they are.
It's like the politicians here do, on a smaller scale. Acuse others of their own actions.

No, dont you get it, it's a one way street, the US gloabalists are allowed to expand and encroach into neutral territories, and we should be outraged to find out that is viewed as threatening to the other country. Heaven forbid....



Just look at a NATO influence map from 1980 and one today. This is Russia's fault

 

[530RL]

It might be the same for you -- but for myself and many other Americans, NATO might not be any shining angel, but Russia is certainly the Devil.
So no, I do not see it the same way, even remotely.
But already having had this conversation with you, you've made it clear you favor Russia.

If one thinks about it, once the MAGA folks let Putin have Europe and China have Taiwan and other ambitions, America will be number three economically as well as in defense capabilities.

Scary intentional strategy.

But we are old, what do we know.

 

[regor]

It might be the same for you -- but for myself and many other Americans, NATO might not be any shining angel, but Russia is certainly the Devil.
So no, I do not see it the same way, even remotely.
But already having had this conversation with you, you've made it clear you favor Russia.

Just for the record, I favor Russia also over the lying cock sucking warmongering faggots of NATO.

 

[monkeyswrench]

It might be the same for you -- but for myself and many other Americans, NATO might not be any shining angel, but Russia is certainly the Devil.
So no, I do not see it the same way, even remotely.
But already having had this conversation with you, you've made it clear you favor Russia.

Have you seen that meme, I believe @was thatguy has posted before, a picture of a guy walking alone, possibly armed, "He just wanted to be left alone."?

That's pretty much me. I can handle most anything brought to bare against me, dropped at my feet. I have three kids, one looking at global security as a career, one with health issues, and one any recruiter would drool over. Bringing this country into a war we are little prepared to fight is bringing something to my doorstep. With war on a large scale comes serious issues some don't think about. The financial impacts maybe at the top of some lists. Those don't much effect me. The ability to feed or provide medical care for my children, that may be an issue. What meds do people take to maintain their lives, or even stay alive?

Ukraine may be the current shiny thing in everyone's eyes. The military buildup in Africa should be somewhat troubling. The recent sale of fighter jets to Venezuela should be as well. This has the potential to move into more than just Ukraine. Multiple continents, many countries...

Those who start the wars, never fight them. Those who wish for war, usually don't feel they have much to lose. I hope to meet my grandkids, in a better world than it looks like we've created. I don't want my children to see the things I've seen, especially not on a larger scale.

 

[was thatguy]

It might be the same for you -- but for myself and many other Americans, NATO might not be any shining angel, but Russia is certainly the Devil.
So no, I do not see it the same way, even remotely.
But already having had this conversation with you, you've made it clear you favor Russia.

Being anti Ukraine war is not synonymous with being pro Russia.
You’re not that much older than me.
Our whole lives we’ve been told and shown that Russia is the communist devil…and to the root of it that’s not exactly wrong.
But, to me, they are not alone in the “devil” department.
We are conditioned our entire lives to believe that all we do, and all we support, and all we promote, is “good”. And there can not be any “bad” in our actions because we are crusaders for freedom.
Nothing could be further from the actual truth. We have a great Nation that I love, and more freedom (real or imagined) than any other nation. We are the ones that have a constitution for the people (at least it started out that way) and have flourished so much so fast that there is no other comparable country in history that compares.
But…we wage war like any other country. We start em, we fight em, we do all the things that every other country does, we just do it while wearing the cloak of freedom.
Our involvement is nothing short of a proxy war against Putin.
Do you think now is the right time in history to start WWIII?
Because that’s what we are doing.
As I get older I find myself less and less impressed with the warring nature of humans, especially at a cost that is unparalleled in history.
The money grabs involved in this debacle aren’t even being hidden.
At least Hillary made a half assed effort at lying about her crimes.

So while I think we are (at this moment) basically no better than any Eastern European country when it comes to waging war and lining pockets, it doesn’t mean I support Russia or their ideology
As much as the Oracle loves to tie MAGA and members here with being a Russian sympathizer, it’s simply a falsehood promoted for his own political ideology

 

[was thatguy]

Have you seen that meme, I believe @was thatguy has posted before, a picture of a guy walking alone, possibly armed, "He just wanted to be left alone."?

That's pretty much me. I can handle most anything brought to bare against me, dropped at my feet. I have three kids, one looking at global security as a career, one with health issues, and one any recruiter would drool over. Bringing this country into a war we are little prepared to fight is bringing something to my doorstep. With war on a large scale comes serious issues some don't think about. The financial impacts maybe at the top of some lists. Those don't much effect me. The ability to feed or provide medical care for my children, that may be an issue. What meds do people take to maintain their lives, or even stay alive?

Ukraine may be the current shiny thing in everyone's eyes. The military buildup in Africa should be somewhat troubling. The recent sale of fighter jets to Venezuela should be as well. This has the potential to move into more than just Ukraine. Multiple continents, many countries...

Those who start the wars, never fight them. Those who wish for war, usually don't feel they have much to lose. I hope to meet my grandkids, in a better world than it looks like we've created. I don't want my children to see the things I've seen, especially not on a larger scale.

Here ya go.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1694397432606392540

 

[Wedgy]

Being anti Ukraine war is not synonymous with being pro Russia.
You’re not that much older than me.
Our whole lives we’ve been told and shown that Russia is the communist devil…and to the root of it that’s not exactly wrong.
But, to me, they are not alone in the “devil” department.
We are conditioned our entire lives to believe that all we do, and all we support, and all we promote, is “good”. And there can not be any “bad” in our actions because we are crusaders for freedom.
Nothing could be further from the actual truth. We have a great Nation that I love, and more freedom (real or imagined) than any other nation. We are the ones that have a constitution for the people (at least it started out that way) and have flourished so much so fast that there is no other comparable country in history that compares.
But…we wage war like any other country. We start em, we fight em, we do all the things that every other country does, we just do it while wearing the cloak of freedom.
Our involvement is nothing short of a proxy war against Putin.
Do you think now is the right time in history to start WWIII?
Because that’s what we are doing.
As I get older I find myself less and less impressed with the warring nature of humans, especially at a cost that is unparalleled in history.
The money grabs involved in this debacle aren’t even being hidden.
At least Hillary made a half assed effort at lying about her crimes.

So while I think we are (at this moment) basically no better than any Eastern European country when it comes to waging war and lining pockets, it doesn’t mean I support Russia or their ideology
As much as the Oracle loves to tie MAGA and members here with being a Russian sympathizer, it’s simply a falsehood promoted for his own political ideology

Hear Hear!

Hold your own with Ben, James, Sam, Roughnecks and Leathernecks in Ye Olde Tavern, anytime. Kind Sir. Semper Fi.

 

[Taboma]

Have you seen that meme, I believe @was thatguy has posted before, a picture of a guy walking alone, possibly armed, "He just wanted to be left alone."?

That's pretty much me. I can handle most anything brought to bare against me, dropped at my feet. I have three kids, one looking at global security as a career, one with health issues, and one any recruiter would drool over. Bringing this country into a war we are little prepared to fight is bringing something to my doorstep. With war on a large scale comes serious issues some don't think about. The financial impacts maybe at the top of some lists. Those don't much effect me. The ability to feed or provide medical care for my children, that may be an issue. What meds do people take to maintain their lives, or even stay alive?

Ukraine may be the current shiny thing in everyone's eyes. The military buildup in Africa should be somewhat troubling. The recent sale of fighter jets to Venezuela should be as well. This has the potential to move into more than just Ukraine. Multiple continents, many countries...

Those who start the wars, never fight them. Those who wish for war, usually don't feel they have much to lose. I hope to meet my grandkids, in a better world than it looks like we've created. I don't want my children to see the things I've seen, especially not on a larger scale.

My allegiance and Patriotism are not conditional, nor do they change like the tides because I don't agree with the decisions of our leaders.

Your desires are noble, they're universal, and being left alone is essentially what most everybody desires.
The exception being those amongst us who are the predators with those who just want to be left alone as their prey.

I believe the Predator Nations of this world, are aware that the peoples of this country and many others are growing weaker with less "Stomach" for fighting than each successive generation.
The predators seeing this, reading words of desires such as yours and so many others, all crying out that we just want to be left alone, being broadcast worldwide thanks to the internet, are becoming increasingly emboldened.

I can favor the decisions our leaders make, or not, but I can only participate along with others in the process of selecting those leaders, voicing my displeasure or spilling blood if asked, based on their decisions, that is the reality of my position in this life.

My 75 years have awakened each day, even the most beautiful, with the knowledge that there were predators lurking, just waiting, and Russia has always been near the top of that list.

Where we seem to disagree is how we each perceive Russia, it's threat level and how to best cage the beast.
For the record, I want it incapacitated and on it's knees.

Where we do agree is, I hope all your desires become a reality shared by us all.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

My allegiance and Patriotism are not conditional, nor do they change like the tides because I don't agree with the decisions of our leaders.

Your desires are noble, they're universal, and being left alone is essentially what most everybody desires.
The exception being those amongst us who are the predators with those who just want to be left alone as their prey.

I believe the Predator Nations of this world, are aware that the peoples of this country and many others are growing weaker with less "Stomach" for fighting than each successive generation.
The predators seeing this, reading words of desires such as yours and so many others, all crying out that we just want to be left alone, being broadcast worldwide thanks to the internet, are becoming increasingly emboldened.

I can favor the decisions our leaders make, or not, but I can only participate along with others in the process of selecting those leaders, voicing my displeasure or spilling blood if asked, based on their decisions, that is the reality of my position in this life.

My 75 years have awakened each day, even the most beautiful, with the knowledge that there were predators lurking, just waiting, and Russia has always been near the top of that list.

Where we seem to disagree is how we each perceive Russia, it's threat level and how to best cage the beast.
For the record, I want it incapacitated and on it's knees.

Where we do agree is, I hope all your desires become a reality shared by us all.

Russia will have us on our knees before we put them in theirs.

We are woefully unprepared for this conflict and are losing. The next step is going to be using actual US troops, because they are running out of Ukrainians… in a fight over one of the most corrupt places in the world.

We provoked this war via 20 years of bad foreign policy.

 

[Racey]

Just for the record, I favor Russia also over the lying cock sucking warmongering faggots of NATO.


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"We gotta fight em over there, so we don't gotta fight em over here"

Uh huh.

 

[Taboma]

Russia will have us on our knees before we put them in theirs.

We are woefully unprepared for this conflict and are losing. The next step is going to be using actual US troops, because they are running out of Ukrainians… in a fight over one of the most corrupt places in the world.

We provoked this war via 20 years of bad foreign policy.

Yup, 20 years of brilliant hind sight rendered with your judgement, Russia loves and appreciates you, that you can bet on.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yup, 20 years of brilliant hind sight rendered with your judgement, Russia loves and appreciates you, that you can bet on.

"We won't move NATO 1 inch to the east"...

You know how many patriotic and intelligent Americans predicted this outcome a quarter century ago?

Simple question.. who has encroached further into who's territory - NATO or Russia?

Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Blackrock and the leadership of the 3 letter agencies, as well as the tens of billions of unaccounted for dollars at the Pentagon love you back.

 

[Taboma]

"We won't move NATO 1 inch to the east"...

You know how many patriotic and intelligent Americans predicted this outcome a quarter century ago?

Simple question.. who has encroached further into who's territory - NATO or Russia?

Raytheon, Lockheed Martin, Blackrock and the leadership of the 3 letter agencies, as well as the tens of billions of unaccounted for dollars at the Pentagon love you back.

Foreseeing and Predicting outcomes and changing them are not one and the same.

I hope NATO, not only encroached but continues to do so as world dynamics change and opportunities arise. Because otherwise the enemy will.
I only wish MORE monies had been spent, accounted for or otherwise. I'm a huge advocate of having both the strongest defense and offense that money and technology will provide.

But no, I'm sure if you just hunker down in your home with your pee-shooter, the rest of the world will abide your desires.
During my childhood it was popular to dig and build bunkers in our backyards, then we realized weapons had progressed and those feeble fortifications were useless. Now what ?

I fully realize based on your posting habits you enjoy nothing more than spending your days entertained in pointless arguing with other forum users about anything and everything.
Nothing I say or you say will change anything for either of us or this country.
Likewise neither of us will be swayed by the opinion of the other(s), so before either of us decides it's prudent to render insults, I'll beg out and allow you to argue freely with yourself or others of like mind.

I do hope that one day before you die, you enjoy the gratification of knowing you actually made at least a small sacrifice for this amazing country and the life it's allowing you to enjoy and very well could be taking for granted.

 

[Sandlord]

Ukraine was Russia.
Then Ukraine became a Russian Ally.
Then in 2014, Obama, Victoria Nuuland, and the CIA orchestrated the Maiden Coup and overthrew the Ukrainian Government.

So Ukraine has only been aligned with the west for 10 years, and only because Western countries moved to the East

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Ukraine was Russia.
Then Ukraine became a Russian Ally.
Then in 2014, Obama, Victoria Nuuland, and the CIA orchestrated the Maiden Coup and overthrew the Ukrainian Government.

So Ukraine has only been aligned with the west for 10 years, and only because Western countries moved to the East

Some people seem to get it.....@Taboma

Foreseeing and Predicting outcomes and changing them are not one and the same.

I hope NATO, not only encroached but continues to do so as world dynamics change and opportunities arise. Because otherwise the enemy will.
I only wish MORE monies had been spent, accounted for or otherwise. I'm a huge advocate of having both the strongest defense and offense that money and technology will provide.

But no, I'm sure if you just hunker down in your home with your pee-shooter, the rest of the world will abide your desires.
During my childhood it was popular to dig and build bunkers in our backyards, then we realized weapons had progressed and those feeble fortifications were useless. Now what ?

I fully realize based on your posting habits you enjoy nothing more than spending your days entertained in pointless arguing with other forum users about anything and everything.
Nothing I say or you say will change anything for either of us or this country.
Likewise neither of us will be swayed by the opinion of the other(s), so before either of us decides it's prudent to render insults, I'll beg out and allow you to argue freely with yourself or others of like mind.

I do hope that one day before you die, you enjoy the gratification of knowing you actually made at least a small sacrifice for this amazing country and the life it's allowing you to enjoy and very well could be taking for granted.

We don't have the strongest defense and offense money can buy. If this escalates Russia has more nukes than we do. And we don't have the capabilities to shoot their latest technology out of the sky.

We spent 20 years fighting wars with 3rd world countries and not equipping ourselves to handle a conflict with an equal and organized military force. Look no further than the results so far... 400K Ukrainians dead, maybe 60K Russians dead.

What exactly do you think this escalates to when the west gets pushed into a corner facing a loss? Who has beaten the Russians on their home soil in the last 120 years?

 

[monkeyswrench]

So, Russia will destroy Europe, on their way to conquer the US, if not stopped in Ukraine.
Yet we allow the Chinese money to control us...both are big red communist countries, both would like to crush us apparently.
One we fight, the other we fund?
It's inconsistencies like this that lead me to believe ideology isn't the destructive force, money is.

If one doesn't think I have the stomach for war, that's fine with me. I know my capabilities and my sins, they stare me in the mirror everyday. I have no problem with the concepts, I have a problem with the reasons. I'll follow no man blindly. I can be judged on my own mistakes, not those of others.

 

[was thatguy]

Foreseeing and Predicting outcomes and changing them are not one and the same.

I hope NATO, not only encroached but continues to do so as world dynamics change and opportunities arise. Because otherwise the enemy will.
I only wish MORE monies had been spent, accounted for or otherwise. I'm a huge advocate of having both the strongest defense and offense that money and technology will provide.

But no, I'm sure if you just hunker down in your home with your pee-shooter, the rest of the world will abide your desires.
During my childhood it was popular to dig and build bunkers in our backyards, then we realized weapons had progressed and those feeble fortifications were useless. Now what ?

I fully realize based on your posting habits you enjoy nothing more than spending your days entertained in pointless arguing with other forum users about anything and everything.
Nothing I say or you say will change anything for either of us or this country.
Likewise neither of us will be swayed by the opinion of the other(s), so before either of us decides it's prudent to render insults, I'll beg out and allow you to argue freely with yourself or others of like mind.

I do hope that one day before you die, you enjoy the gratification of knowing you actually made at least a small sacrifice for this amazing country and the life it's allowing you to enjoy and very well could be taking for granted.

So $100 billion to the global money launderer with no results is saving the world from tyranny?
Or am I just an unpatriotic whiner?
Your passive aggressive implications of others being unpatriotic because they disagree with bleeding our great Nation to death from the inside out while standing on a Ukrainian mountaintop wrapped in old glory throwing stones at Russia is EXACTLY the point I’m making.

 

[Canuck 1]

It might be the same for you -- but for myself and many other Americans, NATO might not be any shining angel, but Russia is certainly the Devil.
So no, I do not see it the same way, even remotely.
But already having had this conversation with you, you've made it clear you favor Russia.

Russia isn't the enemy, Trump and Putin seem to be portrayed as the anti-Christ to all....

So it is Trump and Putin and their supporters against the NWO and the forth reich

 

[rmarion]

Ukraine = money laundering 101..

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

thats all it is...

 

[was thatguy]

Ukraine = money laundering 101..

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

thats all it is...

Anyone who thinks this is a war of political ideology, or freedom versus communism is sadly mistaken.
This is felons of the highest order who had their bank attacked (by a guy who is sick and tired of all this happening on his back porch) using the American military and the American peoples wealth (or rather debt) to finance defending their cash register.
All the while, Western Europe sees the opportunity to attack the boogie man by jointly encroaching with the banner of NATO leading the way, and by extension all that US military might.
It’s a golden opportunity for all involved…except of course all of us, the Ukrainian people, and the Russian people.

As history goes, it’s “exhibit A” on warmongering for politics and money. Plain and simple.
If Russia had pulled half the shit we have in Ukraine, say in Cuba, we’d have gone apeshit.
To say that all resources from NATO, the US, and even globally should be used against Russia with zero regard or limits is insane.
Having a planet torched to prove you’re right is not a victory.

 

[rcmike]

My allegiance and Patriotism are not conditional, nor do they change like the tides because I don't agree with the decisions of our leaders.

Your desires are noble, they're universal, and being left alone is essentially what most everybody desires.
The exception being those amongst us who are the predators with those who just want to be left alone as their prey.

My allegiance and patriotism are not conditional. But I did swear an oath that included "foreign or domestic"

When I was floating around the Pacific and Willy started firing missiles at the aspirin plant in Somolia because he got caught fucking an intern, I got up and set Z and got ready for whatever was going to happen. But that doesn't mean that I did not see that this slimy fuck was willing to put my life on the line to keep his homicidal wife from killing the intern in DC. And I did not believe that was good for me, the Navy, or the country. I wish there were bulletin boards where I could have posted what a piece shit he was and that I thought maybe there were better options than trying to start a war to distract from shortcomings..

This current conflict is a monumental murder spree to distract from the big guy collecting his protection money from the comedian. It's all connected. If we were really concerned about protecting our interests, we would be protecting Taiwan. But Taiwan jails politicians who skim the aid money. Ukraine promotes them and then hires Blackrock to rebuild the country.

So I am not locked into supporting the current war. That is not patriotism. That is blind allegiance to a criminal enterprise. Make the case that we should be enriching Biden and Boeing and Blackrock by killing kids. Good luck making that logical argument.

 

[rmarion]

$100-$200 Billions for first year of Ukraine war.

2023:
2/20/2023 $500 Millions
2/23/2023 $10 Billions
2/24/2023 $2 Billions
3/3/2023 $400 Millions
3/20/2023 $350 Millions
4/04/2023 $2.6 Billions
4/19/2023 $325 Millions
5/08/2023 $1.2 Billions
5/18/2023 $3 Billions
5/19/2023 $375 Millions
5/19/2023 $40 billion
5/31/2023 $300 Millions
6/09/2023 $2.1 Billions
6/13/2023 $325 Millions
6/16/2023 $205 Millions
6/20/2023 $6.2 Billions
6/26/2023 $500 Millions
07/07/2023 $800 Millions
07/18/2023 $1.3 Billions
07/21/2023 $400 Millions
08/13/2023 $13 Billions
08/15/2023 $200 Millions

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[was thatguy]

My allegiance and patriotism are not conditional. But I did swear an oath that included "foreign or domestic"

When I was floating around the Pacific and Willy started firing missiles at the aspirin plant in Somolia because he got caught fucking an intern, I got up and set Z and got ready for whatever was going to happen. But that doesn't mean that I did not see that this slimy fuck was willing to put my life on the line to keep his homicidal wife from killing the intern in DC. And I did not believe that was good for me, the Navy, or the country. I wish there were bulletin boards where I could have posted what a piece shit he was and that I thought maybe there were better options than trying to start a war to distract from shortcomings..

This current conflict is a monumental murder spree to distract from the big guy collecting his protection money from the comedian. It's all connected. If we were really concerned about protecting our interests, we would be protecting Taiwan. But Taiwan jails politicians who skim the aid money. Ukraine promotes them and then hires Blackrock to rebuild the country.

So I am not locked into supporting the current war. That is not patriotism. That is blind allegiance to a criminal enterprise. Make the case that we should be enriching Biden and Boeing and Blackrock by killing kids. Good luck making that logical argument.

 

[rmarion]

 

[was thatguy]

 

[rmarion]

 

[monkeyswrench]

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That announcement was months ago...and no major news stories, and nobody else seemed to care. You'd think people would worry, after covid and all

 

[Wedgy]

Tom says, Sheeple and Snowflakes.

 

[Taboma]

That announcement was months ago...and no major news stories, and nobody else seemed to care. You'd think people would worry, after covid and all

I'm of course concerned there's biological components either naturally occurring or created that can present a horrifying danger to humankind.
It's concerning that humankind is vulnerable to being affected and contaminating others, it's even more concerning others would use them as an intentional weapon.

The threat in either case is very real, now what ? We know we can't ignore them, they're not just going away. We know others will research to discover the most devastating combinations and most effective means of dispersal to use these against others.

It's all very concerning, and you'd think by now humans would have conquered this, the greatest earthly threat to humanity, but it hasn't, not even close.

So now what ?? And if something, anything, then where ? Off planet ?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I'm of course concerned there's biological components either naturally occurring or created that can present a horrifying danger to humankind.
It's concerning that humankind is vulnerable to being affected and contaminating others, it's even more concerning others would use them as an intentional weapon.

The threat in either case is very real, now what ? We know we can't ignore them, they're not just going away. We know others will research to discover the most devastating combinations and most effective means of dispersal to use these against others.

It's all very concerning, and you'd think by now humans would have conquered this, the greatest earthly threat to humanity, but it hasn't, not even close.

So now what ?? And if something, anything, then where ? Off planet ?

Why don’t you research why these bio labs we funded are in the most corrupt country in the world in the first place?

That would be the place to start.

 

[Wedgy]

Well, whatever it is T, it's going to make The Fall of the Roman empire look like a picnic...

 

[Taboma]

Why don’t you research why these bio labs we funded are in the most corrupt country in the world in the first place?

That would be the place to start.

I didn't mention anything about THESE particular labs, in this particular country.
I see no real purpose for me personally to be searching the internet for stimulating, yet completely useless opinions and commentary similar to your own on these labs.

I quoted monkey because I've found him to be a RDP member I like exchanging dialog with. I responded to his post, that I was concerned these biological threats exist to begin with, which forces the question of what to do about it and where to do it.

I was interested in his opinions, relative to my general questions. Unfortunately for me, instead of the wise monkey, you picked up.

Isn't there some thread about performing some illegal activity you should be offering advise on ?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I didn't mention anything about THESE particular labs, in this particular country.
I see no real purpose for me personally to be searching the internet for stimulating, yet completely useless opinions and commentary similar to your own on these labs.

I quoted monkey because I've found him to be a RDP member I like exchanging dialog with. I responded to his post, that I was concerned these biological threats exist to begin with, which forces the question of what to do about it and where to do it.

I was interested in his opinions, relative to my general questions. Unfortunately for me, instead of the wise monkey, you picked up.

Isn't there some thread about performing some illegal activity you should be offering advise on ?

Yea you are in the thread that is talking about what is probably the most illegal activity

You consistently refuse to address any factual information that is not aligned with your world view. So the answer to your question will have to be we can do nothing, anywhere about these labs, because you don’t even want to know why we have them there in the first place.

If you understood why these labs are where they are in the first place, and who funded them, perhaps you’d have some thoughtful insight. Or you’d just ignore that too like everything else.

Keep your head in the sand T!

 

[thetub]

LOF its all Trumps funding that did this now tune into yore proganded news channels to get more on time information on how to addrerss these issues please...

 

[Taboma]

Yea you are in the thread that is talking about what is probably the most illegal activity

You consistently refuse to address any factual information that is not aligned with your world view. So the answer to your question will have to be we can do nothing, anywhere about these labs, because you don’t even want to know why we have them there in the first place.

If you understood why these labs are where they are in the first place, and who funded them, perhaps you’d have some thoughtful insight.

Keep your head in the sand T!

I thought I was in a thread on Russia and Ukraine, originally authored by a well respected RDP member.
Didn't realize I'd stumbled into one of your numerous commentaries advocating breaking laws that will result in others having pick up your tab.

Sorry bout that.

Meanwhile, you keep right on hurling those insightful insults while listening intently for those imaginary cheers of peer adoration, all while bathing in the gratification of your perceived brilliance.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I thought I was in a thread on Russia and Ukraine, originally authored by a well respected RDP member.
Didn't realize I'd stumbled into one of your numerous commentaries advocating breaking laws that will result in others having pick up your tab.

Sorry bout that.

Meanwhile, you keep right on hurling those insightful insults while listening intently for those imaginary cheers of peer adoration, all while bathing in the gratification of your perceived brilliance.

You are in a thread talking about Ukraine.. and illegal bio weapon labs that we sponsored.

I accept your apology. Now get off our lawn.

The people that can think outside what they’ve been told by the TV are talking.

 

[Wedgy]

Well now. That escalated quickly... Break out the Kewpie dolls and sharp needles!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Well now. That escalated quickly...

He must have ran out of BenGay.

 

[Wedgy]

Now Ward...

 

[Taboma]

You are in a thread talking about Ukraine.. and illegal bio weapon labs that we sponsored.

I accept your apology. Now get off our lawn.

The people that can think outside what they’ve been told by the TV are talking.

I realize hurling insults is the extent of your ability to converse, there's really little need for you to consistently re-confirm it.

Would those same bio weapons labs be legal in Hurricane Utah ? Asking for myself.

 

[Taboma]

He must have ran out of BenGay.

Preparation H, but the metamucil fiber is helping, but thanks for your concern.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I'm of course concerned there's biological components either naturally occurring or created that can present a horrifying danger to humankind.
It's concerning that humankind is vulnerable to being affected and contaminating others, it's even more concerning others would use them as an intentional weapon.

The threat in either case is very real, now what ? We know we can't ignore them, they're not just going away. We know others will research to discover the most devastating combinations and most effective means of dispersal to use these against others.

It's all very concerning, and you'd think by now humans would have conquered this, the greatest earthly threat to humanity, but it hasn't, not even close.

So now what ?? And if something, anything, then where ? Off planet ?

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, and others piped in My concern with the Ukraine labs was due to Russia saying they were there, and the US denying it for so long. I thought, "ok, this is another Vlad lie..." Six months later, we admit to it. When we found out US money had gone to the China lab, it was only after many had died, and the previous story was some guy ate bad bat soup. (Don't think "good" bat soup exists)

I don't think going off world would save us. It may delay the demise, but the aspect of humans that wants to control others is our weak link. Brilliant minds and ideas are over powered by greed. I don't know what it will take, but it doesn't seem to be driven by humans.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I realize hurling insults is the extent of your ability to converse, there's really little need for you to consistently re-confirm it.

Would those same bio weapons labs be legal in Hurricane Utah ? Asking for myself.

Review your post #2888.

We all learned how to hurl insults and feign old age and innocence from you, dad.

If you did some research you’d know the work they were doing wasn’t legal in the US… which is why the labs are in China and Ukraine.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sorry I didn't respond sooner, and others piped in My concern with the Ukraine labs was due to Russia saying they were there, and the US denying it for so long. I thought, "ok, this is another Vlad lie..." Six months later, we admit to it. When we found out US money had gone to the China lab, it was only after many had died, and the previous story was some guy ate bad bat soup. (Don't think "good" bat soup exists)

I don't think going off world would save us. It may delay the demise, but the aspect of humans that wants to control others is our weak link. Brilliant minds and ideas are over powered by greed. I don't know what it will take, but it doesn't seem to be driven by humans.

You know that “gain of function” research is bio weapon research. You know the NIH had responsibility for our bio weapon program and was conducting gain of function research. And you know who ran the NIH. And you know we “officially stopped” bio weapon research in the US, so instead we funneled money abroad to do so.

If there is a rumor of a bio lab in a questionable country that we may or may not have funded.. the odds are it is there and we put it there.