Russia and Ukraine

[Luvnlife]

After what I have seen in this country, I think we should do the same thing. Stupid people need to quit breeding with stupid people.

I get what you are saying some people here can go but from that video those are the wrong people to target. Unless…it’s a plea that they are in such bad shape they need more help

 

[Wedgy]

Really no big shock. With our own soldiers and logistics it can be difficult to track where all the equipment actually ends up. With this stuff, it's being transferred via NATO countries, transported by Euro contractors to a country with questionable motives and poor communication.
Maybe they need Airtags on their stuff?

So much for military policies and procedures. They don't want to do it or they would. 87,000 new IRS agents say so.

So. As oppossed to the GSA.
About GSA inventory. DOL contracted entity on Navy owned facility.

DOL Subcontractors.
You'd damn well better have everything tagged and issued to you. Twice a year.
Talk, of Quarterly. Lol

Government Inspections were always pretty cool, Old guy knew the Trades were squared away on Safety. But Gramps still did it.

 

[sprintcvx]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684486139086884864

 

[Wedgy]

Screw the explanation. $50 a week, room and board, nights off.
As long as she can back a trailer...

 

[4Waters]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1684486139086884864

Fact checked

Ukraine Video Does Not Show Women Carrying Film Prop Stones Out of Church Hit by Russian Airstrike

Sam Doak, a fact checker for the Logically Facts website, found the truth behind this baseless conspiracy theory.

www.snopes.com

From the article:

In Doak's tweet thread, he mentioned that the objects being carried by the women in the longer, higher-quality video looked to be not heavy stones or concrete, but rather a "light, polystyrene-like material" that had likely been used for the church's insulation.


Isn't "light, polystyrene-like material" one of the materials that Hollywood uses as fake concrete for props?

busted I don't deny that shit is going down over there and people are dying but the evidence here shows this was staged.

 

[rmarion]

The Voice of Q

There’s going to be a lot of people on this platform take the Ukraine 🇺🇦 out of their bio when Mel Gibson drops this 4 part documentary on child sex trafficking… @Resist_5

t.me

 

[monkeyswrench]

Fact checked

Ukraine Video Does Not Show Women Carrying Film Prop Stones Out of Church Hit by Russian Airstrike

Sam Doak, a fact checker for the Logically Facts website, found the truth behind this baseless conspiracy theory.

www.snopes.com

From the article:

In Doak's tweet thread, he mentioned that the objects being carried by the women in the longer, higher-quality video looked to be not heavy stones or concrete, but rather a "light, polystyrene-like material" that had likely been used for the church's insulation.


Isn't "light, polystyrene-like material" one of the materials that Hollywood uses as fake concrete for props?

busted I don't deny that shit is going down over there and people are dying but the evidence here shows this was staged.

In historical records, there was much evidence to support the concept that polystyrene was in fact a commonly used material in the late 16th and early 17th centuries...

 

[Taboma]

In historical records, there was much evidence to support the concept that polystyrene was in fact a commonly used material in the late 16th and early 17th centuries...

Not claiming to have even the slightest bit of knowledge about that church, or what poorly shot video is really showing. However, I do know that poly-foam is commonly used in the recreation and restoration of ornate stonework when replacement for whatever reason, becomes necessary. Today It is commonly used in colonial or Spanish architecture.
One of the very old historical buildings we worked in at Balboa Park was undergoing restoration and receiving seismic upgrades. Most all the ornate features were being replicated in foam and then plastered over.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Not claiming to have even the slightest bit of knowledge about that church, or what poorly shot video is really showing. However, I do know that poly-foam is commonly used in the recreation and restoration of ornate stonework when replacement for whatever reason, becomes necessary. Today It is commonly used in colonial or Spanish architecture.
One of the very old historical buildings we worked in at Balboa Park was undergoing restoration and receiving seismic upgrades. Most all the ornate features were being replicated in foam and then plastered over.

I've seen them scan pieces, and then use a CNC to mill the foam and use some type of hard coat...cool stuff really.

Don't know about this church. Quite a few have been bombed by both, and the Orthodox ones have also been targeted in Ukraine territories.

 

[RitcheyRch]

 

[Wedgy]

Many buildings have foam for architectural features that are foam glued on under stucco instead of wire edging. Less labor, less skill. Faster.

Even have fake drywall now.

Our Plastering instructor made faux stone features and all kinds of fake stuff working at Disneyland.

 

[Taboma]

Many buildings have foam for architectural features that are foam glued on under stucco instead of wire edging. Less labor, less skill. Faster.

Even have fake drywall now.

Our Plastering instructor made faux stone features and all kinds of fake stuff working at Disneyland.

OK, we've established foam is used in construction, but why does it matter what these women were carrying ?

 

[Wedgy]

Fake News

 

[Taboma]

Fake News

Why is it fake news, versus some dumb-ass story byline writer simply writing something completely stupid ?

What they were or weren't carrying is irrelevant, the relevant fact is, the church was blown all to f*ck and the ladies are assisting in the clean up by hauling rubble. And frankly that's all that any writer would have needed to state --- They were hauling debris or rubble following the blast --- end of story.
The relevant story is the destruction of the Church at the hands of the Russians. It's completely irrelevant what they were or weren't carrying. I mean it's not as if they were painted as carrying out dead baby body parts.

My point is, I think far to much credit is attributed to the creation and delivery of "Created News Events" for the sake of psychological manipulation.
Certainly it's a very real thing, hell, most of us do it in some form as individuals striving to direct a particular reaction or intimidation. In the public sector it's referred to as "Marketing", be it ourselves, our company or a product.

All governmental agencies practice it to sway public opinion for a multitude of reasons, or during times of conflict, to intimidated opposing troops or bolster the morale of our own.

But every idiot media statement is not intentional "Fake" news, it's just plain old, every day stupid people producing stupid news stories.

 

[Racey]

Reminds me of the videos from when Assad "gassed" his own people, or the little boy in the back of the ambulance, but then we all saw the additional footage showing them staging the actors and make up etc. It was all a lie to try and drag the world into deep conflict.

Prop-a-gan-da

 

[Wedgy]

Ah, the good old days, Black and White, Color TV, Consoles. Hi Fi! Stereo!

Tube TV's, radios. Transistor radios.

Never saw the subliminal advertising.

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1686229325539053568

 

[rmarion]

let's put this into context:

THE UKRAINE COLOR REVOLUTION WAS A CLOWN OPERATION
1. Occurred just 4 months after investigators started honing in on Obama/Biden corruption
a. Corruption included Human Trafficking, Drug Running, WMD Production (Biologicals), Money Laundering
b. The FBI, DOS, DOD, DOJ, DHS, UN AMB & CIA all assisted
c. US Taxpayer support was grifted/siphoned off to grease palms.
d. NGO's (like Soros' Open Society) all took part.

Their plan is to wax 95% of World Population to usher in their New World Order. It isn't a secret. This was the reason for the domestic censorship.

but, the radical left's media and corrupt justice minions helped them get away with murder. A "conspiracy theory" they falsely claimed.

and they disappeared all who dared reveal the truth.

ask yourself WHY?
c. The

The Voice of Q

let's put this into context: THE UKRAINE COLOR REVOLUTION WAS A CLOWN OPERATION 1. Occurred just 4 months after investigators started honing in on Obama/Biden corruption a. Corruption included Human Trafficking, Drug Running, WMD Production (Biologicals), Money Laundering b. The FBI, DOS...

t.me

 

[monkeyswrench]

Been about two weeks now since the last attack on the Crimean bridge. Took out two civilians, their teenage daughter survived. Since then, Russia and the "not Ukrainians" have been doing pretty much nightly drone and cruise missile attacks on both Kiev as well as the Odessa region. (I think that is both a port city and military hub). Mixed reports on targets, one side says all civilian, the other military only. The main SBU (secret service) building in Odessa was leveled, but also seeing some apartments nearby were as well.

In response to the Russian response, Ukraine is opening up on Donetske again, increasing daily attacks on the whole area. Lots of pics of what cluster bombs do, to both property and people.

In response, to the response of the initial response, Russia seems to have increased ariel assaults via helicopters along the fronts.

This last week, one drone hit an apartment building next to FSB buildings in Moscow, another was brought down.
Two aquatic drones were used in the Black Sea (think explosive lake lice). One almost sunk a Russian ship, frigate maybe? It got drug into Port, listing heavily. The other one though, hit a Russian flagged oil tanker. It was riding low, like loaded. What is kind of weird though, it was running ballasted, it flooded engine room, damaged heavily, but no oil slick. Maybe it was just being used as bait?

In Poland, their troops as well as NATO troops are building up on the border of Belarus. In Belarus, Wagner units seem to be moving to the west.

...and Africa is a massive war zone. It looms like a few NATO backed leaders have been ousted. Probably Russian backed coups, as many have called for the French now to leave those countries and some have seen Wagner troops increase their presence.

 

[regor]

CNN Changes Tune On Ukraine's Counteroffensive: 'Extremely Unlikely' To Succeed​

"Extremely, highly unlikely"... almost like they’ve been lying the whole time.

WED AUG 9, AT 10:25 AM

 

[monkeyswrench]

CNN Changes Tune On Ukraine's Counteroffensive: 'Extremely Unlikely' To Succeed​

"Extremely, highly unlikely"... almost like they’ve been lying the whole time.

WED AUG 9, AT 10:25 AM


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It's pretty obvious I'm not pro-Ukraine. What I don't understand is if the American government is, why did they wait so long to send heavy weapons? I believe I just read the allotted Abrams tanks are just leaving port. Some of the better weaponry previously sent, is in the hands of poorly trained conscripted troops, or foreign mercenaries (if the weapons made it to the front at all) Many of the UA's best soldiers were sent to fight very I'll equipped. Now, with some of the best soldiers dead or wounded, they send weapons?

It really seems to be a grift, a hustle for billions. War profiteers, American oligarchs...billions stolen from the taxpayers. A fortune built on the bodies of the dead.

 

[regor]

It's pretty obvious I'm not pro-Ukraine. What I don't understand is if the American government is, why did they wait so long to send heavy weapons? I believe I just read the allotted Abrams tanks are just leaving port. Some of the better weaponry previously sent, is in the hands of poorly trained conscripted troops, or foreign mercenaries (if the weapons made it to the front at all) Many of the UA's best soldiers were sent to fight very I'll equipped. Now, with some of the best soldiers dead or wounded, they send weapons?

It really seems to be a grift, a hustle for billions. War profiteers, American oligarchs...billions stolen from the taxpayers. A fortune built on the bodies of the dead.

 

[bonesfab]

It really seems to be a grift, a hustle for billions. War profiteers, American oligarchs...billions stolen from the taxpayers. A fortune built on the bodies of the dead.

And this would surprise no one with half a brain so 529.25 will have something to say about it.

 

[Racey]

And this would surprise no one with half a brain so 529.25 will have something to say about it.

Something something "protecting democracy"

Yeah, protecting democracy of the government that exists solely because of a coup, quite literally the opposite of democracy.

 

[regor]

And this would surprise no one with half a brain so 529.25 will have something to say about it.

Why do you want Putin to conquer all of Europe?!!!!!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Something something "protecting democracy"

Yeah, protecting democracy of the government that exists solely because of a coup, quite literally the opposite of democracy.

This is another thing that bugs me...not 530 related...but the administration here, doing very communist things. While, at the same time, pointing and saying we cannot let communists take control.

"Bidenism" is fine, "Communism" is evil. They seem to rename it, but seems the same.

 

[Wedgy]

This is another thing that bugs me...not 530 related...but the administration here, doing very communist things. While, at the same time, pointing and saying we cannot let communists take control.

"Bidenism" is fine, "Communism" is evil. They seem to rename it, but seems the same.

Right outta 1984.
Straight up Communist Marxist playbook. Classic Doublespeak. Good is Bad, Bad is good, up is down and down is up. Targeting the schools the Kids, Society. Aborting Babies by the millions. Disarm, crush dissent, free speech, religion.

Marxism. How Lenin plundered and murdered to communist rule in Russia. Mao, China. America is the Brass Ring...

 

[530RL]

“As conservatives, we stand with Russia over our NATO Allie’s” - RDP P&G members

 

[Wedgy]

"Daaaang..." !°°! Joe Dirt

 

[Sandlord]

“As conservatives, we stand with Russia over our NATO Allie’s” - RDP P&G members

Ukraine is not a NATO Ally.

 

[monkeyswrench]

“As conservatives, we stand with Russia over our NATO Allie’s” - RDP P&G members

If you aren't following the news, let me share some with you. There have been some rather large protests against this war and it's funding in multiple NATO countries. Here's a small visual aid to help illustrate the amount of money our government has allocated for Ukraine.

A little shocking when you figure our current debt issues, as well as our troubles here at home.


As for "communist" style actions taking place at home. There have been multiple issues in the news that one could just take as a matter of opinion. Those who are pro Trump or pro Biden...in your case pro anyone but Trump...take different views. One current event that is a glaring example though, is the current Trump court case. It shouldn't matter what side you are on if you indeed believe in justice. The judge presiding over the case was an Obama appointee. That doesn't bother me. Now, the judge having previously worked with the sitting Presidence son? That seems like a major conflict of interest. In the interest of fairness, you would think she would recuse herself. It is not about fairness or justice, it is about power and control...and political enemies.

 

[Sandlord]

Why should the US pay Ukraine anything?
If they want our help or weapons, they should be paying us.

The US defense systems should be used to defend the US And deter attacks against the US.
Peace through Strength. Sound familiar?

 

[Racey]

Ukraine is not a NATO Ally.

Lets not bring facts into the conversation.

US lead coup in 2014 toppled Ukraines government and destabilized the country causing a civil war to ensue for 8 years. FACT.

50,000 Civilian Casualties from shelling and fighting in the Donbas by the Kiev Government as the region did not accept a coup as a legitimate rule. FACT.

US further and further expanding eastward towards Russia's border since the fall of the Soviet Union. FACT.

Russia has a strategic interest and long established right to their naval base in Sevastapol, Now threatened by the instability of a civil war in the area and bordering their country. FACT.

This entire conflict is the result of BAD, DUMB, or MALICIOUS actions by the US going back to Obama.

NATO's entire existence was to contain the Soviet Empire from Westward expansion, The Soviet Union has been dead for almost 40 years. FACT.

Why does NATO even exist if the sole reason for it's existence is now long burried. It's a money laundering scheme for politicians and contractors.

 

[regor]

“As conservatives, we stand with Russia over our NATO Allie’s” - RDP P&G members

"As corrupt CONservatives, we should enrich our warmongering friends and not care how many innocent lives we snuff in the process"-RINO Whore Deluxe

 

[spectras only]

MOSCOW, August 10/ Radio Sputnik. Russian troops are ready to go on the offensive in the DPR, said Jan Gagin, adviser to the acting head of the region.
"
“Our armed forces have long been ready for a full-fledged offensive, and now we are in active defense only because it is beneficial for us to be in it now. The death of personnel during defensive operations is one to five,” Gagin told RIA Novosti.
He explained that the tactics chosen by the Russian command make it possible to destroy a large number of enemy forces.
"
"We are fulfilling our task. When there is an order, we will go forward," Gagin concluded.
Earlier, Sputnik radio wrote that the United States warned Vladimir Zelensky about the potential of the Russian Armed Forces.

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

It's time to wake up to the people in control. History continues to repeat itself. This is Charles Lindbergh on WW2 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/HukVvXP3aXJo/

 

[monkeyswrench]

It's time to wake up to the people in control. History continues to repeat itself. This is Charles Lindbergh on WW2 - https://www.bitchute.com/video/HukVvXP3aXJo/

Lindbergh did make some valid points, no doubt. Unfortunately, he wasn't anti-war. He was actually very pro-Nazi in his leanings. That leaves quite the question: Where would he stand today? There is an obvious problem with Nazi ideology in Ukraine. The main targets are not the Jewish people though. In this case, they are Russian speakers, Orthodox Christians and anyone perceived as being influenced by Russia. Would Lindbergh still be pro-Nazi, should the enemies not be the same? He was also the son of a congressman, so his ties to government then may be different than current children of the swamp. He also preached about the purity of the white race, but eventually chose to be buried in a simple manner, on a pacific island.

Really quite an intriguing person.

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

Lindbergh did make some valid points, no doubt. Unfortunately, he wasn't anti-war. He was actually very pro-Nazi in his leanings. That leaves quite the question: Where would he stand today? There is an obvious problem with Nazi ideology in Ukraine. The main targets are not the Jewish people though. In this case, they are Russian speakers, Orthodox Christians and anyone perceived as being influenced by Russia. Would Lindbergh still be pro-Nazi, should the enemies not be the same? He was also the son of a congressman, so his ties to government then may be different than current children of the swamp. He also preached about the purity of the white race, but eventually chose to be buried in a simple manner, on a pacific island.

Really quite an intriguing person.

Well, in order to talk about what he would say or do today. We have to establish the correct timeline of events surrounding Ukraine/Russia. There is still so much propaganda out there it's hard to get a clear picture. I don't know much about the AZOV but one thing is for certain. They wouldn't be true "Nazis" or national socialists if there are killing people of the same race or other peaceful races for that matter. Or a different way of putting it, I believe they are fake Nazis used for propaganda purposes.

The start of the recent conflict between Ukraine and Russia began in 2014 when our government overthrew the elected president. So with that in mind I would venture to say he would be against this conflict.

You also say he wasn't anti-war and very pro-Nazi. Are you referring to the Nazi's as being pro war? Because that is a false peace of history. They never wanted war. If you haven't yet seen it, I would suggest watching Europa: The Last Battle. Weimar Republic and the following events are almost lost history to propaganda. And which group of people distributes propaganda through media? Why have there been so much forced education on the big Hoax? So many Hollywood movies depicting Nazis and Hitler as bad people?

 

[monkeyswrench]

Well, in order to talk about what he would say or do today. We have to establish the correct timeline of events surrounding Ukraine/Russia. There is still so much propaganda out there it's hard to get a clear picture. I don't know much about the AZOV but one thing is for certain. They wouldn't be true "Nazis" or national socialists if there are killing people of the same race or other peaceful races for that matter. Or a different way of putting it, I believe they are fake Nazis used for propaganda purposes.

The start of the recent conflict between Ukraine and Russia began in 2014 when our government overthrew the elected president. So with that in mind I would venture to say he would be against this conflict.

You also say he wasn't anti-war and very pro-Nazi. Are you referring to the Nazi's as being pro war? Because that is a false peace of history. They never wanted war. If you haven't yet seen it, I would suggest watching Europa: The Last Battle. Weimar Republic and the following events are almost lost history to propaganda. And which group of people distributes propaganda through media? Why have there been so much forced education on the big Hoax? So many Hollywood movies depicting Nazis and Hitler as bad people?

Well, winners write the history books, that is truth. As for Nazi's being "bad people", yes, I'm going with that one. German history books, as in written by the Germans, go into great detail about eugenics and the idea of the master race.

Those concepts can kiss my halfbreed ass.

AZOV, as a movement, has existed since the 80's. "Sect 82" was eventually grown from a small ultranationalist group, to eventually becoming tied with "Patriot of Ukraine" and the SNA. The label "AZOV", or "A3OB" (No "Z" in the Ukrainian alphabet) is really a marketing scheme more than any substance. They got funding, and possibly training, and set out to kill those that didn't support the installed regime. They did more than that, and take on those that spoke russian as their native language, or read a different Bible.
And no, I haven't been there myself. I do have friends there, and various other places in the region.

As for Europa...I'm not much a reader or watcher of those on nationalist book or movie lists, but that's just me...

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

Well, winners write the history books, that is truth. As for Nazi's being "bad people", yes, I'm going with that one. German history books, as in written by the Germans, go into great detail about eugenics and the idea of the master race.

Those concepts can kiss my halfbreed ass.

AZOV, as a movement, has existed since the 80's. "Sect 82" was eventually grown from a small ultranationalist group, to eventually becoming tied with "Patriot of Ukraine" and the SNA. The label "AZOV", or "A3OB" (No "Z" in the Ukrainian alphabet) is really a marketing scheme more than any substance. They got funding, and possibly training, and set out to kill those that didn't support the installed regime. They did more than that, and take on those that spoke russian as their native language, or read a different Bible.
And no, I haven't been there myself. I do have friends there, and various other places in the region.

As for Europa...I'm not much a reader or watcher of those on nationalist book or movie lists, but that's just me...

I wonder who funded AZOVs if they are only supporting the regime that the US government installed... Guess we found some of our tax dollars lol.

I can understand the hesitancy in learning about something that looks down on what you believe. The word "nation" is defined as - a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. Common descent would mean DNA and really when you break down the other words, they also are referring to homogenous peoples, aka DNA. Nations that are still referred to as a nation, would remain homogeneous. That's why the destruction of America and all other White nations, or any other nation for that matter, comes with "diversity." You cannot call America a nation, it does not fit the definition of the word. The prefix, nat, comes from Latin meaning, born, or birth. Natural - Nation. It's natural to be homogenous.

If you hate genocides, then you should hate the genocide happening against White people right now. There is no funded mass immigration happening in any other countries but White countries. While the media is silent on violence against White people and promote the "White people bad" narrative. FJB said the greatest threat in this country was White supremacy. And that's because they are trying to make unhinged illegals and BLM types to do things like Waukesha.

Then there's South Africa where the leader of a political party with more than a million members just called for the genocide of White people in front of a crowd of 100,000 people.

Remember that the Germans lost the war and only the winners get to decide what's in the history books. The German government (which was controlled from that point on) made it illegal to question the events surrounding the Hoax. “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I wonder who funded AZOVs if they are only supporting the regime that the US government installed... Guess we found some of our tax dollars lol.

I can understand the hesitancy in learning about something that looks down on what you believe. The word "nation" is defined as - a large body of people united by common descent, history, culture, or language, inhabiting a particular country or territory. Common descent would mean DNA and really when you break down the other words, they also are referring to homogenous peoples, aka DNA. Nations that are still referred to as a nation, would remain homogeneous. That's why the destruction of America and all other White nations, or any other nation for that matter, comes with "diversity." You cannot call America a nation, it does not fit the definition of the word. The prefix, nat, comes from Latin meaning, born, or birth. Natural - Nation. It's natural to be homogenous.

If you hate genocides, then you should hate the genocide happening against White people right now. There is no funded mass immigration happening in any other countries but White countries. While the media is silent on violence against White people and promote the "White people bad" narrative. FJB said the greatest threat in this country was White supremacy. And that's because they are trying to make unhinged illegals and BLM types to do things like Waukesha.

Then there's South Africa where the leader of a political party with more than a million members just called for the genocide of White people in front of a crowd of 100,000 people.

Remember that the Germans lost the war and only the winners get to decide what's in the history books. The German government (which was controlled from that point on) made it illegal to question the events surrounding the Hoax. “When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he might say.” ― George R.R.

I'm never against learning, nor hearing of another side. I follow multiple sides of the Ukraine conflict. Currently, the English speaking, American, representative of the Ukraine forces is a transgender, from New Jersey I believe...that deserves it's own thread, but I digress...

It seems to me I may have had a discussion like this before...possibly earlier on in this thread. Hmm, a bit of deja-vu? Oh well, as I posted previously, I don't take people's color, ethnicity or religious beliefs into account when meeting them. I've seen the worst in humanity from all shades and beliefs. I'm no fan of violence, but I am no stranger to it either. Time is not a measurable distance. What may feel as a lifetime ago, may in reality be but an arm's reach away. Such is the reality of human existence.

Speaking of the "white genocide" in South Africa, is an odd thing while also backing an argument of "Nationalism". I'm fairly positive the white population was not indigenous to the land. "Afrikanse" is a language surprisingly Dutch. I'm also fairly sure French and English were not native tongues for the central parts of Africa. If strong national cohesion involves the purification of the populace...well, it works both ways.

Knock on the Devil's door enough times, and he will answer.

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

I'm never against learning, nor hearing of another side. I follow multiple sides of the Ukraine conflict. Currently, the English speaking, American, representative of the Ukraine forces is a transgender, from New Jersey I believe...that deserves it's own thread, but I digress...

It seems to me I may have had a discussion like this before...possibly earlier on in this thread. Hmm, a bit of deja-vu? Oh well, as I posted previously, I don't take people's color, ethnicity or religious beliefs into account when meeting them. I've seen the worst in humanity from all shades and beliefs. I'm no fan of violence, but I am no stranger to it either. Time is not a measurable distance. What may feel as a lifetime ago, may in reality be but an arm's reach away. Such is the reality of human existence.

Speaking of the "white genocide" in South Africa, is an odd thing while also backing an argument of "Nationalism". I'm fairly positive the white population was not indigenous to the land. "Afrikanse" is a language surprisingly Dutch. I'm also fairly sure French and English were not native tongues for the central parts of Africa. If strong national cohesion involves the purification of the populace...well, it works both ways.

Knock on the Devil's door enough times, and he will answer.

Speaking about killing White people when they are the ones feeding the country is very odd. I guess it will be Rhodesia 2.0. Kicked out the White people, then caused a famine because they can't farm properly LOL. Oh well. If South Africa really wants that 3rd world status (which it's basically at now) then kicking out White people that have been providing most of the country's food and building the more sophisticated infrastructure would do the trick.

Why is it odd that I don't want White people genocided? That's even more odd that you would say that what I said was odd. Purification of the populace should NOT include genocide. It should be presented the way Hitler presented it. He advocated for jews to be moved to their own nation state in Madagascar peacefully with their wealth intact. Fun fact.

 

[Wedgy]

Speaking about killing White people when they are the ones feeding the country is very odd. I guess it will be Rhodesia 2.0. Kicked out the White people, then caused a famine because they can't farm properly LOL. Oh well. If South Africa really wants that 3rd world status (which it's basically at now) then kicking out White people that have been providing most of the country's food and building the more sophisticated infrastructure would do the trick.

Why is it odd that I don't want White people genocided? That's even more odd that you would say that what I said was odd. Purification of the populace should NOT include genocide. It should be presented the way Hitler presented it. He advocated for jews to be moved to their own nation state in Madagascar peacefully with their wealth intact. Fun fact.

So the gas chamber's were plan C, after plan B, and plan A weren't efficient enough?

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

So the gas chamber's were plan C, after plan B, and plan A weren't efficient enough?

There were no gas chambers.

So we know that our government lies to us about everything but people still believe the government official story of WW2? Or anything else for that matter? LOL

 

[monkeyswrench]

Speaking about killing White people when they are the ones feeding the country is very odd. I guess it will be Rhodesia 2.0. Kicked out the White people, then caused a famine because they can't farm properly LOL. Oh well. If South Africa really wants that 3rd world status (which it's basically at now) then kicking out White people that have been providing most of the country's food and building the more sophisticated infrastructure would do the trick.

Why is it odd that I don't want White people genocided? That's even more odd that you would say that what I said was odd. Purification of the populace should NOT include genocide. It should be presented the way Hitler presented it. He advocated for jews to be moved to their own nation state in Madagascar peacefully with their wealth intact. Fun fact.

I'm so glad you're both racist, and antisemitic...it means I won't have to endure reading your drivel for very long. Maybe a little later I will respond to a much more needed extent, but for now, I have family obligations to attend to.

Some of us of "un-pure" or "muddy" lineage still have the core values in which the "master race" KKKlaims to be the only keepers of. BTW, I'm of German and Mexican decent...probably some Catholicism in there, but mostly Baptist and Protestant...even the German side didn't follow Odinism...that thing the German lineage appropriated from the Norse people? Lineage lines blur without notice if the shades are only white

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

I'm so glad you're both racist, and antisemitic...it means I won't have to endure reading your drivel for very long. Maybe a little later I will respond to a much more needed extent, but for now, I have family obligations to attend to.

Some of us of "un-pure" or "muddy" lineage still have the core values in which the "master race" KKKlaims to be the only keepers of. BTW, I'm of German and Mexican decent...probably some Catholicism in there, but mostly Baptist and Protestant...even the German side didn't follow Odinism...that thing the German lineage appropriated from the Norse people? Lineage lines blur without notice if the shades are only white

Racist, yes. But not your ignorant take on racism. I do not hate people based off of their skin color, that's retarded. Behaviors, yes. I love my people most, my racism comes from a place of love and protection. Attaching hate to that is something I don't believe in and would be accusing me of something I'm not. I want other races to prosper as well, just in their own lands.

It's an uncomfortable fact that races have different DNA make up which would include different physical and mental factors. If you look at a world IQ map, there are certain peoples that are inherently more intelligent. Facts that no one wants to discuss.

I grew up with all different types of people, mostly White. But have some jewish family friends, great people. So no, I'm not anti-semitic. But I am aware of a specific group of jews that control most of the world and their agenda they have. You really should do more research into this. Europa is calling your name. What do you think would be better for the jews in control to establish a one world government? Different countries with a strong sense of self, which is what nationalism is. Or people that roam the earth and eventually everyone becomes a shade brown?

As for lineage lines blurring, that goes for any race... So not sure about your point there.

It's funny that you describe drivel as things you don't understand.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Ahhh, nothing like any group patting themselves on the back for attributes they themselves may, in reality, be lacking. My halfbreed brain struggled I guess...but my SAT scores failed to show that. I've never taken an IQ test. No reason too. As a physical specimen, even after multiple spinal injuries, and being now in my late 40's, I can still lift more weight and do more physical activity than most half my age. Lineage and race aren't so much the deciding factors, as are the soul and drive of the individual that inhabits the body.

If ethnicities were to, as you say, prosper in their own lands...where would you go? You don't seem to speak as a native American would. How much of your own "native tongue" do you know? Most of the Germanic or Icelandic languages are quite difficult to learn...but with your superior IQ, that should be of no difficulty. On the other hand, with your racially derived and self professed physical lack, you should probably pace yourself, and get started packing soon.

The ideological leaders of "nationalist" groups are feeding people a different brand of the same hatred they say they are against. They pray on the those too weak to maintain their own independence, those who feel wronged by others. In effect, they too are "victims". So, to gain strength, they amass with other "victims"...strength in numbers. It further divides the populace, making smaller groups that are much easier to control.

Bratt is no different than those spreading propaganda from ISIS, Cartels, North Korea, Russia or even the American government. The internet has given him an audience, but he has no "nation" in terms of land. In effect, a homeless nomadic tribe looking for enough members to drink his Kool-aid, and start another unwinnable war.

Let me know how it pans out for you all, I'll watch from my rocking chair on my porch, or maybe catch the highlights on the news.

 

[Wedgy]

Racist, yes. But not your ignorant take on racism. I do not hate people based off of their skin color, that's retarded. Behaviors, yes. I love my people most, my racism comes from a place of love and protection. Attaching hate to that is something I don't believe in and would be accusing me of something I'm not. I want other races to prosper as well, just in their own lands.

It's an uncomfortable fact that races have different DNA make up which would include different physical and mental factors. If you look at a world IQ map, there are certain peoples that are inherently more intelligent. Facts that no one wants to discuss.

I grew up with all different types of people, mostly White. But have some jewish family friends, great people. So no, I'm not anti-semitic. But I am aware of a specific group of jews that control most of the world and their agenda they have. You really should do more research into this. Europa is calling your name. What do you think would be better for the jews in control to establish a one world government? Different countries with a strong sense of self, which is what nationalism is. Or people that roam the earth and eventually everyone becomes a shade brown?

As for lineage lines blurring, that goes for any race... So not sure about your point there.

It's funny that you describe drivel as things you don't understand.

Daaaang. Didn't you just quote from 1945?
My understanding is that having the jews dig their own graves then bang, was waay to slow. Then the load them up in trucks and gas them with the exhaust, nope, faster, but not fast enough, Then, the gas chamber's.
Then the ovens. That ran 24-7.
Glad Pop's fought in the South Pacific.

 

[FullThrottleMerc]

Ahhh, nothing like any group patting themselves on the back for attributes they themselves may, in reality, be lacking. My halfbreed brain struggled I guess...but my SAT scores failed to show that. I've never taken an IQ test. No reason too. As a physical specimen, even after multiple spinal injuries, and being now in my late 40's, I can still lift more weight and do more physical activity than most half my age. Lineage and race aren't so much the deciding factors, as are the soul and drive of the individual that inhabits the body.

If ethnicities were to, as you say, prosper in their own lands...where would you go? You don't seem to speak as a native American would. How much of your own "native tongue" do you know? Most of the Germanic or Icelandic languages are quite difficult to learn...but with your superior IQ, that should be of no difficulty. On the other hand, with your racially derived and self professed physical lack, you should probably pace yourself, and get started packing soon.

The ideological leaders of "nationalist" groups are feeding people a different brand of the same hatred they say they are against. They pray on the those too weak to maintain their own independence, those who feel wronged by others. In effect, they too are "victims". So, to gain strength, they amass with other "victims"...strength in numbers. It further divides the populace, making smaller groups that are much easier to control.

Bratt is no different than those spreading propaganda from ISIS, Cartels, North Korea, Russia or even the American government. The internet has given him an audience, but he has no "nation" in terms of land. In effect, a homeless nomadic tribe looking for enough members to drink his Kool-aid, and start another unwinnable war.

Let me know how it pans out for you all, I'll watch from my rocking chair on my porch, or maybe catch the highlights on the news.

Did I ever mention my IQ specifically? No, there you are twisting the argument again. I am speaking generally about world IQ. You can look for yourself. Asians have the highest... but it does takes IQ to learn... it shouldn't take much IQ to learn about clear facts though.

Do you not hold language as being important? Do words and their definitions not matter to you? Need I remind you what the word nation is and what it means? There is no debate about the definition. It is what it is.

Now when you are speaking on nationality and world history. It's very complex and not so simple as you state. Have White people been tied to the American land for all of history? No, but White people conquered the land and established a nation. That's why I have explained the fact that America is no longer a nation because our nationality has been destroyed by diversity.

Again I will pose the same question: What do you think would be better for the jews in control to establish a one world government? Different, independent countries with a strong sense of self, which is what nationalism is. Or everyone merging together to create a common mixture of all different peoples?

Why did the jewish controlled allied countries want to destroy Germany for their nationalism? I can find you many quotes and scriptures of jews talking about destroying Germany and the German people (White race in general) long before Hitler even came to power. The word Holocaust was coined in the 1800s...

It can be very hard to speak about this subject if you haven't done the research. I keep having to teach you things along the way. Like what words mean... It's not about drinking kool aid, it is about learning facts and history.

A specific tribe of jews controls the world, fact. They follow a book called the Talmud, fact. You should research what is in it. Karl Marx created Marxism derived from the Talmud... If you want to understand the growth of communism and who is behind it, DO YOUR RESEARCH! Everything else I have discussed is from the research I've done.

Everyone hates communism but no one wants to learn where it came from, who created it, who are the ones spreading it, and most importantly, WHY.

 

[monkeyswrench]

You sir, have too much time to hate. Do I respect both the use and meaning of language? Yes, yes I do. Can I read and write a few? Yes, yes I can. Do I wish to learn of lies and propaganda spewed from yet another butthurt tribe? No. As I've said to "another" yard bird AB, I have no time nor tolerance for those that can't see the forest through the trees.

In your justifications, America is essentially a nation built by white man conquering the natives. So that's a justifiable cause and reason? If, if you are saying that, than it must be fine then that Germany was conquered, and their history changed to suit the victors. Different peoples, but the same general outcome. They lost, and became a bitch, just as Europeans did to the natives.

Not so great if you use the same justification, is it?

As for "twisting" your words, no, I simply extrapolated from what you had previously implied, and gathered from your rather loud and voiced opinion that you were of the "master race". I highly doubt a black man, a Hispanic or Asian would come back here on Tuesday, and throw their hat into this ring in such a manor as yourself. I may be mistaken, but I highly doubt it. Well, unless you were a paid instigator, but they don't tend to go quite as in depth.

As for learning things, I believe in learning things that may prove useful in my life, or that of my family. I've studied a broad rage of subjects. Physiology, psychology, chemistry...those things that can make me stronger on a field, or find weaknesses in opponents. I've also studied literature, art and currently been on a quest for more mechanical engineering knowledge. My hobbies don't include reading or watching interpretations of history by those blinded by hate...to me that is less factual than fairytale.

By the way, you quoted a speech by Charles Lindbergh. Shortly there after you stated there were no "death camps". In Lindbergh's own diary, he made mention of going to a camp at the close of the war. He even made the statement that no human should have been capable of such depravity.
If they did not exist, how was it he could write about it? I'm sure it was just Jewish propaganda, set forth by an ardent antisemite.

So yes, I've done my research. From talking with men that were there, to reading stories in English, German, Russian and one or two others. The differences, it seems, are that the current crop of "researchers" don't speak from experience, but from an agenda. Just like they say history was written to shield the winners, they are trying to shield the losers.