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Obviously. That was while all the crap was going on. We were listening to the police scanners and relaying onto here what the reports were.
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MCM group owns the hotel.... I imagine the lawsuits are going to be bonkers and they have a ton of political power $$$ in the city hence trying to keep the info sealed.
Everything that comes out is just another piece of evidence for the lawyers.
Everything that comes out is just another piece of evidence for the lawyers.
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I don't see how MCM has any liability in this situation? Sure there will be lawsuits and lawyer fees are expensive but I don't think they would lose any judgement.
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There is going to be a video where a housekeeper or bellhop saw something and didn't report it
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By god why has the government not realeased every detail to the public? This is INSANE!
Maybe the government should stop lying and trying to cover things up from it's citizens. That would be a neat idea.
When you cut out all the bullshit in that article, and read between the lines a little.. Well it's all summed up in one lawyers comment seen below.
the government's interest in non-disclosure significantly outweighs any interest the public has
How Anyone can make that comment publicly shows how brazen our government has become. What ever happened to the whole "For the people, by the people" part? Now it's our interests significantly outweigh the peoples interests..
At what point did we as a society deem that acceptable? I got an idea.. Why don't they just release all the information and not redact shit?
What in a body cam footage (if everything is on the up and up) would need to be redacted?
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LAS VEGAS – The Latest on the release by Las Vegas police of witness statements and officer reports in the investigation of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history (all times local):
7:20 p.m.
A person staying in a room two floors below and six rooms away from the gunman on the Mandalay Bay's 30th floor during the Las Vegas mass shooting tried to call 911 and the hotel's front desk to report that the shooter sounded like he was on that floor or above it.
The person, whose name and gender were redacted in records released Wednesday by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, was unable to get through to 911 or the Mandalay Bay and instead called the nearby Luxor hotel to report the shooting.
The call was transferred to Mandalay Bay security and the person reported the shooter appeared to be on the 30th floor.
The person waited by the hotel room peephole and saw about four police officers pass by 20 minutes later. The person stayed put for 40 to 50 more minutes before police called to say they had found the shooter on the 32nd floor.
"I tried to tell somebody as fast as possible that he was in our area but I couldn't get through," the person said.
The person later reported hearing a single pop, which he believed was the gunman killing himself.
___
5:30 p.m.
A man who says he met Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock less than a month before the Oct. 1 attack told authorities that Paddock had ranted against the government and warned that law enforcement and the military would start confiscating guns.
In a jailhouse interview with police and the FBI, the man said Paddock called Federal Emergency Management Agency "camps" set up after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 "a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin' down doors and ... confiscating guns."
The man, whose name was redacted in reports released Wednesday, quoted Paddock saying somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves.
The man said he met with Paddock outside a Las Vegas sporting goods store after posting an online ad to sell schematics to convert semi-automatic guns to fire automatically.
Police and the FBI refused to answer questions from The Associated Press about the account.
Authorities have not provided a motive in what was the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Clark County Commission Chairman Steve Sisolak told AP that police and the FBI told him no motive has been identified.
Sisolak said he hadn't heard of the man's account and he could not say whether it was credible.
____
5:10 p.m.
A Mandalay Bay housekeeper who cleaned the Las Vegas gunman's hotel room four days before the Oct. 1 shooting told police that he made her uncomfortable.
The housekeeper's statement to police was released Wednesday by police after a court battle by The Associated Press and other media organizations to obtain public records about the Oct. 1 shooting.
The woman told police that Stephen Paddock answered the door then returned to his computer and ordered room service. She emptied the refrigerator and changed the bed sheets at his request.
She said he sat at a table eating soup but kept staring at her, at one point asking "Are you okay?" She responded that she was but needed to get items from her cart.
The woman said Paddock kept staring at her while he ate and it was "embarrassing."
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4:55 p.m.
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos told police he was afraid he was going to be killed when he was shot by gunman Stephen Paddock while investigating a stairwell door that was being kept shut by a metal bracket.
Records released by Las Vegas police Wednesday show Campos was interviewed Oct. 4 on the 32nd floor of the casino-resort. That's the same floor from which the gunman carried out the attack.
Campos says he initially received a call from dispatch around 10 p.m. and was told to check "doors" as the property has a system that signals when a door has been opened for long periods.
He says he reached the 32nd floor through an elevator after noticing the stairwell door that leads to the hallway was locked or secured. He says he then walked down the hall and discovered a metal bracket keeping the door shut. He contacted security and maintenance.
Campos says he then heard what sounded like a "very loud drill," was shot in the left calf while walking away, heard what he described as automatic fire and contacted security dispatch.
___
3:35 p.m.
A Las Vegas Strip casino host who told police that he met Stephen Paddock several times when he gambled over the years says he had a bit of a temper.
The man told police and the FBI on Oct. 7 that he would provide Paddock with hotel rooms and show tickets. He says he chatted with him from time to time while Paddock gambled.
The host's name was redacted from police reports made public Wednesday.
He described the man who authorities say killed 58 people and injured hundreds as an "odd guy" who liked to talk about gambling and traveling, and who once called screaming to complain that it took 20 minutes for his luggage to be brought to his room.
The host says Paddock once was given a penthouse presidential suite on the 51st floor of the Rio hotel, and that he later requested the room again several times.
____
1:45 p.m.
A Las Vegas woman who witnessed the chaos of the mass shooting in Las Vegas says she knew the sounds of gunfire were not firecrackers when she saw a man nearby drop to the ground, his "eyes wide open lifeless."
As she crouched down, a massive spraying of bullets rained down and the unidentified woman thought the gunfire was coming from helicopters above.
Her account was among those provided by Las Vegas police in a DVD with witness statements and officer reports about last year's mass shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds on the Las Vegas Strip.
It was made public after a court battle by The Associated Press and other media organizations to obtain public records about the Oct. 1 shooting
The woman says she climbed a fence and sprinted toward a stage where she saw people taking cover. She had to jump over the dead body of a security guard on her way before crawling under a stage only a few feet high.
From there, she texted her sister-in-law who was watching her kids: "OMG, there's tons of gunshots and people dead everywhere."
___
1:20 p.m.
Witness accounts of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history include those of a Las Vegas woman wounded in the shoulder made it to a hospital and an Arizona man upset that the lights came on at an outdoor concert when gunfire started and people began falling.
The unidentified Glendale, Arizona man says people at the Oct. 1 concert on the Las Vegas Strip were "lit up like a fishbowl."
Witness' names were blacked out from more than 1,200 pages of reports made public Wednesday by Las Vegas police.
The wounded woman told police she heard what people told her were fireworks while country music singer Jason Aldean was on stage.
Several seconds later, she fell to the ground and couldn't feel her arm.
Her friends got her to a street where a limousine driver took them to a hospital where she remembered people in hallways on stretchers and hospital staff unable to take names of patients because there were so many of them.
____
12:05 p.m.
Police in Las Vegas have released a DVD that the department says contains witness statements and officer reports about last year's mass shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds on the Las Vegas Strip.
The information made public Wednesday follows a court battle by The Associated Press and other media organizations to obtain public records about the Oct. 1 massacre that was the deadliest event of its kind in modern U.S. history.
Police two weeks ago released video from two officers' body-worn cameras showing police blasting through the door of the 32nd-floor hotel suite where authorities say the gunman opened fire from windows and killed himself before officers arrived.
The police department opposed releasing the information, calling the public records request costly and time-consuming.
____
7:55 a.m.
Police in Las Vegas plan to make public witness statements and officer reports about last year's mass shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds in what was the deadliest event of its kind in modern U.S. history.
The scheduled release of documents on Wednesday comes more than seven months after the Oct. 1 Las Vegas Strip shooting.
It follows a court order in a public records lawsuit by The Associated Press and other media organizations.
Las Vegas police two weeks ago released video from two officers' body-worn cameras showing police blasting through the door of the 32nd-floor hotel suite where authorities say the gunman opened fire from windows and killed himself before officers arrived.
The police department opposed releasing the information, calling the public records request costly and time-consuming.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/latest-police-release-some-vegas-strip-shooting-records.html
7:20 p.m.
A person staying in a room two floors below and six rooms away from the gunman on the Mandalay Bay's 30th floor during the Las Vegas mass shooting tried to call 911 and the hotel's front desk to report that the shooter sounded like he was on that floor or above it.
The person, whose name and gender were redacted in records released Wednesday by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police, was unable to get through to 911 or the Mandalay Bay and instead called the nearby Luxor hotel to report the shooting.
The call was transferred to Mandalay Bay security and the person reported the shooter appeared to be on the 30th floor.
The person waited by the hotel room peephole and saw about four police officers pass by 20 minutes later. The person stayed put for 40 to 50 more minutes before police called to say they had found the shooter on the 32nd floor.
"I tried to tell somebody as fast as possible that he was in our area but I couldn't get through," the person said.
The person later reported hearing a single pop, which he believed was the gunman killing himself.
___
5:30 p.m.
A man who says he met Las Vegas mass shooter Stephen Paddock less than a month before the Oct. 1 attack told authorities that Paddock had ranted against the government and warned that law enforcement and the military would start confiscating guns.
In a jailhouse interview with police and the FBI, the man said Paddock called Federal Emergency Management Agency "camps" set up after Hurricane Katrina in 2005 "a dry run for law enforcement and military to start kickin' down doors and ... confiscating guns."
The man, whose name was redacted in reports released Wednesday, quoted Paddock saying somebody has to wake up the American public and get them to arm themselves.
The man said he met with Paddock outside a Las Vegas sporting goods store after posting an online ad to sell schematics to convert semi-automatic guns to fire automatically.
Police and the FBI refused to answer questions from The Associated Press about the account.
Authorities have not provided a motive in what was the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.
Clark County Commission Chairman Steve Sisolak told AP that police and the FBI told him no motive has been identified.
Sisolak said he hadn't heard of the man's account and he could not say whether it was credible.
____
5:10 p.m.
A Mandalay Bay housekeeper who cleaned the Las Vegas gunman's hotel room four days before the Oct. 1 shooting told police that he made her uncomfortable.
The housekeeper's statement to police was released Wednesday by police after a court battle by The Associated Press and other media organizations to obtain public records about the Oct. 1 shooting.
The woman told police that Stephen Paddock answered the door then returned to his computer and ordered room service. She emptied the refrigerator and changed the bed sheets at his request.
She said he sat at a table eating soup but kept staring at her, at one point asking "Are you okay?" She responded that she was but needed to get items from her cart.
The woman said Paddock kept staring at her while he ate and it was "embarrassing."
__
4:55 p.m.
Mandalay Bay security guard Jesus Campos told police he was afraid he was going to be killed when he was shot by gunman Stephen Paddock while investigating a stairwell door that was being kept shut by a metal bracket.
Records released by Las Vegas police Wednesday show Campos was interviewed Oct. 4 on the 32nd floor of the casino-resort. That's the same floor from which the gunman carried out the attack.
Campos says he initially received a call from dispatch around 10 p.m. and was told to check "doors" as the property has a system that signals when a door has been opened for long periods.
He says he reached the 32nd floor through an elevator after noticing the stairwell door that leads to the hallway was locked or secured. He says he then walked down the hall and discovered a metal bracket keeping the door shut. He contacted security and maintenance.
Campos says he then heard what sounded like a "very loud drill," was shot in the left calf while walking away, heard what he described as automatic fire and contacted security dispatch.
___
3:35 p.m.
A Las Vegas Strip casino host who told police that he met Stephen Paddock several times when he gambled over the years says he had a bit of a temper.
The man told police and the FBI on Oct. 7 that he would provide Paddock with hotel rooms and show tickets. He says he chatted with him from time to time while Paddock gambled.
The host's name was redacted from police reports made public Wednesday.
He described the man who authorities say killed 58 people and injured hundreds as an "odd guy" who liked to talk about gambling and traveling, and who once called screaming to complain that it took 20 minutes for his luggage to be brought to his room.
The host says Paddock once was given a penthouse presidential suite on the 51st floor of the Rio hotel, and that he later requested the room again several times.
____
1:45 p.m.
A Las Vegas woman who witnessed the chaos of the mass shooting in Las Vegas says she knew the sounds of gunfire were not firecrackers when she saw a man nearby drop to the ground, his "eyes wide open lifeless."
As she crouched down, a massive spraying of bullets rained down and the unidentified woman thought the gunfire was coming from helicopters above.
Her account was among those provided by Las Vegas police in a DVD with witness statements and officer reports about last year's mass shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds on the Las Vegas Strip.
It was made public after a court battle by The Associated Press and other media organizations to obtain public records about the Oct. 1 shooting
The woman says she climbed a fence and sprinted toward a stage where she saw people taking cover. She had to jump over the dead body of a security guard on her way before crawling under a stage only a few feet high.
From there, she texted her sister-in-law who was watching her kids: "OMG, there's tons of gunshots and people dead everywhere."
___
1:20 p.m.
Witness accounts of the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history include those of a Las Vegas woman wounded in the shoulder made it to a hospital and an Arizona man upset that the lights came on at an outdoor concert when gunfire started and people began falling.
The unidentified Glendale, Arizona man says people at the Oct. 1 concert on the Las Vegas Strip were "lit up like a fishbowl."
Witness' names were blacked out from more than 1,200 pages of reports made public Wednesday by Las Vegas police.
The wounded woman told police she heard what people told her were fireworks while country music singer Jason Aldean was on stage.
Several seconds later, she fell to the ground and couldn't feel her arm.
Her friends got her to a street where a limousine driver took them to a hospital where she remembered people in hallways on stretchers and hospital staff unable to take names of patients because there were so many of them.
____
12:05 p.m.
Police in Las Vegas have released a DVD that the department says contains witness statements and officer reports about last year's mass shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds on the Las Vegas Strip.
The information made public Wednesday follows a court battle by The Associated Press and other media organizations to obtain public records about the Oct. 1 massacre that was the deadliest event of its kind in modern U.S. history.
Police two weeks ago released video from two officers' body-worn cameras showing police blasting through the door of the 32nd-floor hotel suite where authorities say the gunman opened fire from windows and killed himself before officers arrived.
The police department opposed releasing the information, calling the public records request costly and time-consuming.
____
7:55 a.m.
Police in Las Vegas plan to make public witness statements and officer reports about last year's mass shooting that killed 58 people and injured hundreds in what was the deadliest event of its kind in modern U.S. history.
The scheduled release of documents on Wednesday comes more than seven months after the Oct. 1 Las Vegas Strip shooting.
It follows a court order in a public records lawsuit by The Associated Press and other media organizations.
Las Vegas police two weeks ago released video from two officers' body-worn cameras showing police blasting through the door of the 32nd-floor hotel suite where authorities say the gunman opened fire from windows and killed himself before officers arrived.
The police department opposed releasing the information, calling the public records request costly and time-consuming.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/05/16/latest-police-release-some-vegas-strip-shooting-records.html
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The host said Paddock was an odd guy who either came to one of the Caesars properties alone or with his girlfriend, Marilou Danley. Danley was in the Philippines at the time of the shooting, and police said they don't think she was involved. Paddock, who killed himself, acted alone, police have said.
The host said there was one incident years ago in which Paddock yelled at him over late luggage, something the host thought peculiar. When asked to specify why he thought Paddock was odd, the host said: "He was just weird."
A host at another casino said Paddock was "kind of an introvert."
That host said Paddock was a high-end gambler who kept to himself and never requested any prostitutes or drugs. He was only seen with his girlfriend, though he didn't show her much affection, the host said.
Paddock was easy to deal with and he always paid his debt promptly, the host said. That stayed consistent through the years, he said.
Each of the hosts said Paddock never shared much about his life and kept the talk mostly to gambling.
Paddock twice won contests with big payouts. One was for a car worth about $90,000, and Paddock took the cash equivalent instead. Another was for a $150,000 cash prize.
The documents also include many witness statements from people attending the concert, headlined by country star Jason Aldean.
One man described taking cover to the right of the stage once he and others heard gunshots. The witness, whose name was redacted, said he ran during breaks in the gunfire.
"Then on the third round of shots is when I got, I got hit running, right in the back," he told an investigator.
The man and his friends ran again until he couldn't go on. Someone carried him to an ambulance, he said.
He wasn't the only one in that spot who needed to get to a hospital.
A law enforcement officer came along and "threw me and several other people" into the bed of a pickup and sped them to a hospital.
Las Vegas gunman was tidy, but made housekeeper uneasy, say papers that paint picture of the massacre
Witness statements give a picture of what happened the night of the shooting.
Aldean was several songs into his set when a short burst of gunfire was confused for firecrackers. But during a second round of bullets, people fell with wounds and shouts of "Get down! Get down!" and that gave concertgoers the clues that sent them sprawling or running.
Many said they stayed in place until the gunfire briefly stopped and then they ran for cover. People were pressed against railings, got stuck on fences, crawled underneath the stage. Many saw others get shot -- in the leg or in the back -- as bullets whizzed by and cracked off the ground.
One woman said she pleaded with her friend to get up, but that woman wasn't moving and her lips had turned blue. A man tried CPR as bullets came down but the victim remained unresponsive. Another man eventually put a red bandana over the victim's face.
It is unclear from the witness statement whether the woman died.
This is the second in a series of investigation materials made public after media organizations, including CNN, went to court petitioning for their release.
Earlier this month, Las Vegas police released nearly three hours of body camera footage, providing details on the officers' actions after the shooting.
The footage captured the moments before and after they entered the gunman's room.
CNN's Dave Alsup, Kyung Lah, Janet DiGiacomo, Jack Hannah and Matt Lait contributed to this report.
Click here to see LEO breach the hotel room door on their body cameras:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/las-vegas-shooting-documents/index.html
The host said there was one incident years ago in which Paddock yelled at him over late luggage, something the host thought peculiar. When asked to specify why he thought Paddock was odd, the host said: "He was just weird."
A host at another casino said Paddock was "kind of an introvert."
That host said Paddock was a high-end gambler who kept to himself and never requested any prostitutes or drugs. He was only seen with his girlfriend, though he didn't show her much affection, the host said.
Paddock was easy to deal with and he always paid his debt promptly, the host said. That stayed consistent through the years, he said.
Each of the hosts said Paddock never shared much about his life and kept the talk mostly to gambling.
Paddock twice won contests with big payouts. One was for a car worth about $90,000, and Paddock took the cash equivalent instead. Another was for a $150,000 cash prize.
The documents also include many witness statements from people attending the concert, headlined by country star Jason Aldean.
One man described taking cover to the right of the stage once he and others heard gunshots. The witness, whose name was redacted, said he ran during breaks in the gunfire.
"Then on the third round of shots is when I got, I got hit running, right in the back," he told an investigator.
The man and his friends ran again until he couldn't go on. Someone carried him to an ambulance, he said.
He wasn't the only one in that spot who needed to get to a hospital.
A law enforcement officer came along and "threw me and several other people" into the bed of a pickup and sped them to a hospital.
Las Vegas gunman was tidy, but made housekeeper uneasy, say papers that paint picture of the massacre
Witness statements give a picture of what happened the night of the shooting.
Aldean was several songs into his set when a short burst of gunfire was confused for firecrackers. But during a second round of bullets, people fell with wounds and shouts of "Get down! Get down!" and that gave concertgoers the clues that sent them sprawling or running.
Many said they stayed in place until the gunfire briefly stopped and then they ran for cover. People were pressed against railings, got stuck on fences, crawled underneath the stage. Many saw others get shot -- in the leg or in the back -- as bullets whizzed by and cracked off the ground.
One woman said she pleaded with her friend to get up, but that woman wasn't moving and her lips had turned blue. A man tried CPR as bullets came down but the victim remained unresponsive. Another man eventually put a red bandana over the victim's face.
It is unclear from the witness statement whether the woman died.
This is the second in a series of investigation materials made public after media organizations, including CNN, went to court petitioning for their release.
Earlier this month, Las Vegas police released nearly three hours of body camera footage, providing details on the officers' actions after the shooting.
The footage captured the moments before and after they entered the gunman's room.
CNN's Dave Alsup, Kyung Lah, Janet DiGiacomo, Jack Hannah and Matt Lait contributed to this report.
Click here to see LEO breach the hotel room door on their body cameras:
https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/16/us/las-vegas-shooting-documents/index.html
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Some more information and video released
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/0...urdered-dozens-body-camera-footage-shows.html
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/07/0...urdered-dozens-body-camera-footage-shows.html
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What ever happened to Doug Haig, the guy who sold him the ammo.
I worked with him on a project out at Edwards for a while. He was a creepy fuck.
Talked about his weapons business a few times.
I wasn't very surprised when I found out he was involved in some way.
I worked with him on a project out at Edwards for a while. He was a creepy fuck.
Talked about his weapons business a few times.
I wasn't very surprised when I found out he was involved in some way.
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Welllll here goes....
I don't need any info on this event. A crazy guy that was wound around the axle did some stupid stuff. I already know all I need to know.
The gov is right to limit info about it - they don't want copy cats and they don't want to inspire others.
The hotel is doing everything it can to limit its liability (i.e. pay outs) so its going to keep a lid on info also. Its their hotel - they aren't obligated to share video from inside the property with the public.
Nobody will come back from the dead or being injured by having more info on the time line or what the police did second by second during the event - the cops should look at it to improve response and training but I don't need any of that info.
Carry on...
I don't need any info on this event. A crazy guy that was wound around the axle did some stupid stuff. I already know all I need to know.
The gov is right to limit info about it - they don't want copy cats and they don't want to inspire others.
The hotel is doing everything it can to limit its liability (i.e. pay outs) so its going to keep a lid on info also. Its their hotel - they aren't obligated to share video from inside the property with the public.
Nobody will come back from the dead or being injured by having more info on the time line or what the police did second by second during the event - the cops should look at it to improve response and training but I don't need any of that info.
Carry on...
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They look like they are taking a proactive approach to the problem..
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Yup.
In case the shooter blew a hole in the floor and tried to escape from the floor below, those guys were ready [emoji106]
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What a coincidence that Broward County Deputies were in Vegas at the time of this shooting...
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So first they told us there was no hallway footage, only elevator lobby footage. Now we see crystal clear hallway footage does in fact exist. I will not be surprised when at some point in the future we find out the hallway footage shows his accomplice (s) escaping after they shot him to death. This will explain 2 big mysteries...why did he stop firing after only 9 minutes? He could have killed another 1000 people had he kept firing until they breached the door. Second, Why did one shooter need 21 weapons and more ammo than he could have unloaded in any reasonable amount of time? I am convinced at this point there either was or was supposed to be more shooters in that room.
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Why would they keep quiet about a 2nd shooter or accomplice? Seems to me that they would want to put that out in case he was a layoff person or was going to another room to create more mayhem.
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2 great questions and no answers. Still.
And another: Why would he kill himself when he would've been killed for sure - in a hail of gunfire - whenever the LEOs did eventually breach the hotel room door?
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Unless it was a suicide by cop, he would have offed himself. He could have thought that he heard the cops or predestined to only rock and roll for 10 minutes. He went out his way and that means no satisfaction for society.
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LV PD Is lucky the shooter didn't have video camera feed of 31st floor hallway. Seeing That "Pathetic Performance" would've inspired any shooter to stay in the fight indefinitly, and "throw down to the last round every bit of lead.
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I don't see any positive or reason this clip was released. The old cop didn't do anything but approach and it's damned hard to figure what else he could have done. It seems they are kinda pointing him out as being a coward. I disagree as it was a horrible situation few if any have ever been in so it's hard to say how anyone would react.
Without intel attacking the room where the shooter was in may or may not have accomplished anything positive. Hindsight and speculation is doing no good. Run the investigation and release pertinent info, not this type of stuff which had no real relevance to the whole deal. LE was there is all we see and those guys were not able to anything more than what they did in that short span of time without knowing what was happening inside that room outside of the obvious gunfire.....Why give that old guy any more grief that he lives with and why make him look bad for just being human? Too many opinions formed from TV drama experts.
Doubtful the whole of this incident will ever be figured out.
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Should the old guy have stormed the door shooting blindly into a room no one knew who was actually in?
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This cop, the cop at the school both just people. There's a reason why they call heroes heroes not everybody has the ability to be one. For the hundreds of first responders who went running into the world trade center there were hundreds more who said f that. We expect our officers to rise above but at the end of the day they have families and kids that they want to see again too.
Weird seeing armed Mandalay bay security up there working with the cops. There were 4 people in that group anyone of them could have taken the lead and said let's go. They were all scared and looked it.
Weird seeing armed Mandalay bay security up there working with the cops. There were 4 people in that group anyone of them could have taken the lead and said let's go. They were all scared and looked it.
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Being scare is one thing. They should be scared. It's what you do even though your scared, that's what's important.
And the Mandalay guards, hell they are probably just above minimum wage.
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No. But I do expect an officer to at least move up to same floor as gunfire to assess situation.
Coming out of elevator the officer was visibly shaken, unable to make a design or assess situation and clearly not up to task leading any personnel. He should tryout for community resource officer team.
What really sucks about the situation, After the lone security guard that was shot confirmed room 32-135. The security managers tried quickly to move ahead to next floor and each time the metro officer held them back frozen for 3 mins in Hallway & 40 mins in stairwell.
Las Vegas Metro and many of officers involved look pretty bad taking almost 1-1/2 hours to breech after confirming the shooter in 32-135. Hotel security did a much better job than metro police.
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I understand what you're saying and spectra posted, not every cop is up to the task. The guys that handle the tactical events should have been there quicker and someone in command of the scene should have gotten another officer to this guy's position asap.....Looking at the guy's photo does not inspire any sense of faith in him to be a sheepdog.
There are plenty if not the majority of LE willing to do what it takes, unfortunately the human side of things is there are plenty that are not cut out for action. Some may be great at an accident scene, but gunfire has a way of effecting many people to not react as a person willing to run into live fire.
Sadly he couldn't function enough to tell someone to get help to him and the security guys behind don't look to be any better. Too bad one of those guys didn't step up[ and tell grandpa metro to get the fuck out of the way.....
Does the department require an (normal officer) to make his own decision in a situation like this or wait for a supervisor to make a decision or sway team to make a tactical decision? Seems to me that basic training vs a elite team training in this situation could cause more casualties?
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Well said my man. I agree Watching the video, Look's like security managers were moving ahead very quickly, rushing to get down hall and upstairs. and each time, hear the police telling security to slow down or stop and wait. There's a concerned look on security guys face, but that's expected and when someone who out ranks you like police is cowering tells you hold up, kinda uninspiring and hard to tell em to fuck off. IMO. I'd bet majority of Security Managers at large casino's are ex military or ex cops with some combat experience and have dealt with violent situations. It is Las Vegas.
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For those that don't understand all of this it's basic.
the city of Las Vegas was very smart and not releasing much information on video that they obtained in their investigation remember they got most of these videos by means of a court order .
They protect themselves from liability by having other individuals sue them take him to court and the judge ordered them to give it up there for the liability is gone they acted and provided the information as a result of a court order.
In the end this can save taxpayers a lot of money from frivolous lawsuits and privacy lawsuit. when the court orders it it's a done deal and chords cannot be sued.
the city of Las Vegas was very smart and not releasing much information on video that they obtained in their investigation remember they got most of these videos by means of a court order .
They protect themselves from liability by having other individuals sue them take him to court and the judge ordered them to give it up there for the liability is gone they acted and provided the information as a result of a court order.
In the end this can save taxpayers a lot of money from frivolous lawsuits and privacy lawsuit. when the court orders it it's a done deal and chords cannot be sued.
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From the police side what I could see was part of the problem which is almost always the issue and well known in Las Vegas is overburdened frequencies they could barely get a word out to coordinate with each other . I'm sure after this and expansion of their digital frequencies will occur at almost always does after a situation like this remembering that something like this is never occurred in the history of our country.
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Some of you know our daughter was at the shooting and we still deal with the aftermath.
I watched and listened to the video. Heart breakening
How many times did he reload? And nobody did anything
Today being July 4th someone sends a barrage of fireworks and our daughter comes in the house crying
I can't imagine what she goes through now
Being a father and if i were in that hallway I would have said fuck protocol and legal bullshit and ended it
I watched and listened to the video. Heart breakening
How many times did he reload? And nobody did anything
Today being July 4th someone sends a barrage of fireworks and our daughter comes in the house crying
I can't imagine what she goes through now
Being a father and if i were in that hallway I would have said fuck protocol and legal bullshit and ended it
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I would expect LEO’s to run toward gunfire and not away from potential lawsuits.
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Uh why would he have had cameras set up in the hallway if he was only intending to fire upon the HUGE crown that he had plenty more ammo to continue and then commit suicide before any stand off whatsoever..... also why was the portion of the room he was in barricaded from the other side of the other portion??
Maybe i should put my tinfoil hat on but i honestly still feeling that the first round was into Padock’s head not the last round. It also explains a lot of the redaction and hush hush!! But then again i do believe our government was tied into the 9/11 attack as well JFK was part of a greater scheme
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So paddock was a patsy???
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I believe I read somewhere that the majority of Active Shooter Incidents end with shooter committing suicide before contact with LEO. You'd have to be a Fruit Loop to know what Paddock was thinking. So drop all the Conspiracy Theory babble. We know what happened, but I doubt we'll ever know why.
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My girlfriend has the same issue with fireworks now. Even when she knows what they are, they still make her tense.
We've been shooting once or twice since, but I feel like we need to go more to get her used to the sounds again.
As was said by sirbob earlier, none of the information is going to bring anyone back or take away anyone's pain.
I dont follow it, my girlfriend just started following it again and I feel like shes going backwards. I told the same thing that I said back in October, stop watching that shit, they're never going to tell you the truth, and it wont bring you closure.
I have friends that re live this every day and have friends that put it in the back of there mind.
We've been shooting once or twice since, but I feel like we need to go more to get her used to the sounds again.
As was said by sirbob earlier, none of the information is going to bring anyone back or take away anyone's pain.
I dont follow it, my girlfriend just started following it again and I feel like shes going backwards. I told the same thing that I said back in October, stop watching that shit, they're never going to tell you the truth, and it wont bring you closure.
I have friends that re live this every day and have friends that put it in the back of there mind.
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I would argue we know the results, but don’t really know what happened or why.
Just by going from the almighty MSM reports of these incidents , I don’t know that the majority of shooters commit suicide. Perhaps they do. This one was certainly unique in its level of planning and execution. I don’t blame anyone for their reaction at this point.. Nothing like this had happened in the history of the modern world until that point.
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Statistically speaking, around 43 - 45% of Active Shooters kill themselves upon seeing or encounter Law Enforcement. Roughly another 43-45% are killed by Law Enforcement. Roughly 1% flee. And the rest generally give up or are taken alive.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...as-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/791511002/
MGM Resorts International, owner of the Las Vegas hotel from which Stephen Paddock fatally shot 58 people and wounded hundreds more at an outdoor concert, has filed suit against hundreds of the victims claiming the entertainment giant has "no liability of any kind."
MGM Resorts International, owner of the Las Vegas hotel from which Stephen Paddock fatally shot 58 people and wounded hundreds more at an outdoor concert, has filed suit against hundreds of the victims claiming the entertainment giant has "no liability of any kind."
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They're not wrong
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Chess game.....
They aren't liable but hundreds want them to be and you get the wrong judge or court and it could cost a fortune.
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I fixed your post.
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Tragic story all around, and we have members and their families that were there.
Hotel is certainly caught in the middle and cant control crazy individuals from doing crazy shit anymore than the government can.
Hotel is certainly caught in the middle and cant control crazy individuals from doing crazy shit anymore than the government can.
For me it was a huge learning experience. I feel very bad for anyone involved. I had a crew putting up some temp walls at the Tropicana. They got trampled. I had no procedures in place for an emergency. Horrible situation
