Route 91 shooting in las Vegas

[buck35]

They, the government have been indoctrinating shool kids for quite some time that guns are bad, evil . How many more years untill these kids are the voting block and running the show. I think its only a waiting game for them .

 

[RiverDave]

They, the government have been indoctrinating shool kids for quite some time that guns are bad, evil . How many more years untill these kids are the voting block and running the show. I think its only a waiting game for them .

I'd agree with that whole heartedly..

RD

 

[Abc123]

They, the government have been indoctrinating shool kids for quite some time that guns are bad, evil . How many more years untill these kids are the voting block and running the show. I think its only a waiting game for them .

Just like they indoctrinated our great grandparents that public schools were a good idea and should be the primary form of education. Sure, the government is our enemy, lets let them teach our children. :rolleyes

 

[Sleek-Jet]

There were/are. Wake up and smell the bullshit.

The government has been caught several times trying to enact terrorists acts on the public. History repeats itself.

How could you suggest to not fear gun control but to only fear increased privacy violation? With all due respect, you're not making any sense. That's all part of the police state agenda.

Easy.

Gun control is loud and ugly, but a liberal majority in both houses of Congress, The oval office, and what turned out to be the Supreme Court didn't get one gun control measure on the books. Not one.

Surveillance only takes an algorithm and a server farm and the courts have already deemed it legal.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Ok, thank you for illustrating my point.... :rolleyes

Roll your eyes all you like. Nobody will be able to see with your head buried in the sand...

 

[RGH'sBaba]

A) registration is fine. I don't have a problem with that at all and it's fine to close the loop holes like the gun show issue.

No, registration is NOT FINE. Uncle sugar doesn't need to know what all guns we own any more than he needs to know how many rakes, hammers or shovels we own.
And please stop using the 'gun control'enemy's lingo. There is no "gun show loophole"
It doesn't exist.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

That's why the bastards hate the NRA. The NRA ain't giving ground.:thumbsup:thumbsup

Oh please, Tex. NRA routinely gives ground.

 

[JD D05]

Like I said, how did the majority of those wars turn out? Feel free to research. No one is stopping you.

How would Americans assemble a 50 state militia against the most militant government known to mankind? It is not going to happen. If anyone tries to, such groups will be labeled terrorist and placed into already established FEMA camps throughout the US. The US government is far more prepared for something like this than a group of 323 million Americans who already don't get along are. Let's not forget that a vast majority of our population is employed and financially dependent upon the US Government. You think they're going to fight?

You asked how they start not how they turn out.

This pissing match is pointless, I would assume at the point of civil war your options are or seem so limited it is something bigger than life or death. I agree it would be bad for everyone involved.

 

[Abc123]

Easy.

Gun control is loud and ugly, but a liberal majority in both houses of Congress, The oval office, and what turned out to be the Supreme Court didn't get one gun control measure on the books. Not one.

Surveillance only takes an algorithm and a server farm and the courts have already deemed it legal.

Bail outs were loud and ugly but they still happened. When Fed wants to do something, they will do it. Period.

They use gun control to rile us up and divide the country. They're not ready to pull the plug yet.

Remember, They have to divide, before they can disarm. Before they divide, they must distract and they already accomplished that.

New World Order here we come.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Civil war is an interesting topic on RDP as there is a high LEO and Veteran presence on this website and especially in this thread.

To you service men/woman and boys and blue, if you were ordered to start taking out civilians by the establishment who employs you and who you sworn allegiance to, what would you do?

I'd like to add a part two to your question, if I may.
I believe the vast majority of status quo upholders, err, cops, would shed their uniforms and melt away into society. These men have families to protect, and once this fuse is lit shit's gonna get ugly quick. But let's say for the sake of argument some traitors to their oath do obey their orders and 'take out civilians.'
How long will you continue to target civilians after your comrades begin getting targeted, ambushed and decimated?

 

[Abc123]

You asked how they start not how they turn out.

This pissing match is pointless, I would assume at the point of civil war your options are or seem so limited it is something bigger than life or death. I agree it would be bad for everyone involved.

Think about it...

The cities most of us live in have a Tanks and riot Task Forces. If all the residents in my town got together and said, hey lets all round up our civilian troops at such and such. They'd show up, demand us all to go home and if we didn't they'd have some loose cannon behind the wheel ready to spray bullets at us.

Contrary to what Tank thinks, those machines are made to retain order, not protect the public. If our government cared about protecting the public, kids would be issued guns and target practice would still be in school.


A civil war is a protest/riot. Here's what happens when citizens in those other countries you mentioned try to protest. And this is only Police force.

[video=youtube;TLL68yOEIv0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLL68yOEIv0[/video]


Here's what happened in Ohio to unarmed civilians in protest.

[video=youtube;ureNHsu0yxY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ureNHsu0yxY[/video]

 

[Abc123]

I'd like to add a part two to your question, if I may.
I believe the vast majority of status quo upholders, err, cops, would shed their uniforms and melt away into society. These men have families to protect, and once this fuse is lit shit's gonna get ugly quick. But let's say for the sake of argument some traitors to their oath do obey their orders and 'take out civilians.'
How long will you continue to target civilians after your comrades begin getting targeted, ambushed and decimated?

[video=youtube;7D6fR4y1NSY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D6fR4y1NSY[/video]

 

[JD D05]

I'd like to add a part two to your question, if I may.
I believe the vast majority of status quo upholders, err, cops, would shed their uniforms and melt away into society. These men have families to protect, and once this fuse is lit shit's gonna get ugly quick. But let's say for the sake of argument some traitors to their oath do obey their orders and 'take out civilians.'
How long will you continue to target civilians after your comrades begin getting targeted, ambushed and decimated?

Common sense or hope whatever it is I agree 100% with you.

 

[relaxalot]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=044_1507170800

Sad deal..

 

[Old Texan]

Oh please, Tex. NRA routinely gives ground.

What ground is that? Recent history?

So how better to lobby DC politicians?

They have a large voting block that calls for attention and that, even though we don't like it, is the way the game is being played.

 

[relaxalot]

[video=youtube;QCrNsC0mTBg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrNsC0mTBg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrNsC0mTBg[/video]

 

[beaverretriever]

Of all the videos I have seen, that gave me the worst chills for some reason. Wow, this whole thing is still just so surreal to me.

This is the first time I heard just single shots. You can hear them around the 6 to 8 min mark. He must have been picking people off one at a time at this point.

[video=youtube;QCrNsC0mTBg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrNsC0mTBg"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCrNsC0mTBg[/video]

 

[Old Texan]

I listened to a local lady tell her story of crawling and scrambling to survive......Poor thing has not had a decent nights sleep and like so many will be dealing with the screams and visions for the rest of her life.

The asshole responsible ate his gun and took the easy way out. If there is a hell, may he endure the worse it has to offer.:thumbsdown:grumble:

 

[gmnhra]

we were in the vip suite to the left of the video frame standing outside...

listen at 3:14-3:18...those were the first "single" shots...
we all figured fire crackers...

3:50 ish is where the first rapid fire sequence started...
this is when we all crammed into the suite...

the rest is a blur of dead, dying, and injured....

 

[renodaytona]

Several single shots well before the first burst. That video gives a new timeline to when the first shots actually rang out. Nobody realized they were shots.

Sick son of a bitch!

 

[500bbc]

Several single shots well before the first burst. That video gives a new timeline to when the first shots actually rang out. Nobody realized they were shots.

Sick son of a bitch!

Spotting rounds, then fire for effect...

 

[RGH'sBaba]

What ground is that? Recent history?

So how better to lobby DC politicians?

They have a large voting block that calls for attention and that, even though we don't like it, is the way the game is being played.

They're the biggest kid on the block that is "fighting" for 2A, yes, but they've laid down (or bent over) NUMEROUS times in recent history. Just off the top of my head:They didn't do shit about the Standard Capacity mag ban under klinton, nor any of the state level mag bans. In the shitty, I mean city of LA it's actually illegal to possess a mag that holds more than 10 rounds, no matter how long you've had it. Where is NRA on that?
What did they do when atf banned importation of replacement parts kits with barrels, requiring the barrel to be cut in 3 pieces? Nothing.
What did they do when atf wrongly classified 7N6 (surplus AK74 ammo) as "armor piercing" and banned it from importation? Nothing.
What did they do when the kenyan stopped the military from selling once-fired brass to the civilian market in favor of selling it for less money as shredded up scrap brass? Nothing.
Now they're gonna crack out the knee pads and assume the position (doggy style) over bump fire stocks and god knows what else in the wake of this las vegas incident.

 

[gmnhra]

Spotting rounds, then fire for effect...

the first rounds sure sounded "different" (louder....coming from a different direction...) than the sound of the rapid fire sequences
no one....put any thought into it being gunfire...
if there is anything believable being reported.....my "theory" (based on news reports etc.) was that the first shots were the ones aimed at the fuel tanks behind us that may have been fired from a weapon more suited for long range accuracy
when that "plan" failed the rapid fire sequences started...

I am starting to doubt that we will ever get a real factual accounting of what happened.

all I know is we were there and the videos understate the panic and fear that you could see in the eyes of the injured and those trying to "escape"...

 

[DaBank]

Sure sounds like the first shots where intended for a target......either human or a fixed object. It is starting to look like that there is way more to this event.

 

[DaBank]

So many cell phones videos out there that people filmed and might not have even reviewed them yet. Somebody is going to watch their video and catch something before the main shooting starts.
Plus where is the event footage of the concert?

This video above is the 1st one I seen that the music is not over powering the gun shots, seems to be either different guns being used or gun shots coming from different locations.
Plus one of the people pretty quickly saw gun shots from the window of the hotel.
I am also surprise how calm a lot of people where once they where in the parking lot and just standing there while shots where still being fired?

 

[STV_Keith]

Sure sounds like the first shots where intended for a target......either human or a fixed object. It is starting to look like that there is way more to this event.

You make it sound like that Jack Reacher movie...hide one specific killing as random in a mass event... :hmm

 

[Member: 71]

Sure sounds like the first shots where intended for a target......either human or a fixed object. It is starting to look like that there is way more to this event.

Maybe...the first shots were at the fuel tanks at the airport.

 

[relaxalot]

[video=youtube;9jZaXjQ060k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZaXjQ060k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jZaXjQ060k[/video]


We were near center and exited out gate 6... heavy fire all the way out..

 

[yz450mm]

Maybe...the first shots were at the fuel tanks at the airport.

Fuel tanks go boom, crowd exits towards Mandalay, easier targets?

 

[JD D05]

Fuel tanks go boom, crowd exits towards Mandalay, easier targets?

Diversion.

 

[02HoWaRd26]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnxhTeAQZ8#

I?m starting to agree some things are not adding up.

Holy crap lots of crazy and seemingly legit info in this if willing to listen to it all, glad you posted it and glad I took time to listen to the whole thing.

 

[MCnParker]

I am not sure if this video has been posted up in here yet, requires FB to view, just a different angle.

https://www.facebook.com/anonews.co/videos/1825362830808601/

 

[RitcheyRch]

Or fuel tanks go boom and he uses that time to make a run for the stairwell and leave the building

Fuel tanks go boom, crowd exits towards Mandalay, easier targets?

 

[JayBreww]

It?s not like they wouldn?t know who did it even if he did bail. Leave all the guns behind?

 

[Old Texan]

Sure sounds like the first shots where intended for a target......either human or a fixed object. It is starting to look like that there is way more to this event.

Interesting thought....If the investigation includes thorough ballistics tests linking bullets to weapons, who knows.

 

[Old Texan]

dead guy takes blame for it all, guns are his, looks like suicide, while actual shooter(s) escape in confusion of everything.

Which brings up the most known forensic technique: Fingerprints. Never been mentions to this point if any unknown prints have been turned up.

Only a week and half into the investigation but so many things leaving things confused by the lack of facts released and changes in others they have presented.:headscratch:

 

[RiverDave]

dead guy takes blame for it all, guns are his, looks like suicide, while actual shooter(s) escape in confusion of everything.

There is still cameras in the hotel.. There's virtually no way to enter or exit a vegas hotel without being on Camera etc.

RD

 

[t&y]

Man you guys are deep into the Millinial mindset of everything right now no matter what...

Let me throw a hypothetical out there and see if this one sticks to anyones common sense side of the thought process...:skull

Horrific crime occurrs and your family is one of the victims. There is a possibility of multiple people involved, there are multiple agency's investigating, and the news media is only offering up a fraction of the "facts" as they know them.... which is a pretty funny statement in and of itself.... so you have options.

Knowing or suspecting that there might be other people involved... Do you as a vested person in this whole thing really want the investigating agencies to release everything they know, as soon as they get it, potentially tipping off outstanding suspects who can then destroy any connecting evidence or completely flee never to be found?

This is not rocket science guys. Up until recent years keeping info back from the media who rarely gets it right to begin with was the norm.

 

[wsuwrhr]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/portrait-las-vegas-gunman-narcissist-losing-streak-120720948.html

 

[500bbc]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/portrait-las-vegas-gunman-narcissist-losing-streak-120720948.html

No spin there.:rolleyes

 

[500bbc]

[video=youtube;JQyH4o9ZyjM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQyH4o9ZyjM&feature=em-subs_digest[/video]

 

[redone76]

So any new news on this tragedy or are we still getting smoke blown up our asses?

 

[RitcheyRch]

haven't heard any updates

So any new news on this tragedy or are we still getting smoke blown up our asses?

 

[shintoooo]

So any new news on this tragedy or are we still getting smoke blown up our asses?

In this day and age, most people have already forgotten about it!!

 

[02HoWaRd26]

In this day and age, most people have already forgotten about it!!

Wife and I were discussing that just yesterday. People are more interested in the sex scandals etc. now!

And people, we wonder about timing of the political announcements these days......

 

[BHC Vic]

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Wife and I were discussing that just yesterday. People are more interested in the sex scandals etc. now!

And people, we wonder about timing of the political announcements these days......

i have guys that we’re working right there. My temp walls got trampled. I’m back and cali now and it sounds bad but I’ve pretty much moved forward. Way too much going on today. I’m not saying it’s a good thing but it’s just the way it is.

 

[sintax]

 

[coolchange]

Wife and I were discussing that just yesterday. People are more interested in the sex scandals etc. now!

And people, we wonder about timing of the political announcements these days......

No shit. Major political upheaval in Saudi that changes the whole balance over there and all we get are " he said sit on my face".

 

[rmarion]

Well, from someone who was injured (shot) at this event. I asked if he spoke with any higher ups in the field..... he decided he did not want to have a minor traffic accident, and end up DOA. He us leaving well enough alone.....

I seriously doubt that their is One Person capable of cleaning up all the dirt out there...

 

[Icky]

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