Route 91 shooting in las Vegas

[RiverDave]

Every move he's made from the minute he arrived at the hotel is on camera except for in his room. The videos have been reviewed by dozens, if not hundreds of investigators.
They're working on the story they want to tell us, we'll never know the truth except through "conspiracy theories".

Thats my thoughts on it..

 

[JRider]

So he tried to buy tracer rounds and they were sold out, I think that would have saved a lot of lives. Nobody knew where the gun fire was coming from.

 

[RiverDave]

So he tried to buy tracer rounds and they were sold out, I think that would have saved a lot of lives. Nobody knew where the gun fire was coming from.

Could be argued either way I suppose.

 

[Runs2rch]

Could be argued either way I suppose.

Exactly.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So he tried to buy tracer rounds and they were sold out, I think that would have saved a lot of lives. Nobody knew where the gun fire was coming from.

He bought them from the guy at his house. I doubt he ever intended on using them for this. He'd have been found in half the time.

 

[Meaney77]

The 60 Minutes interview if you missed it. Still scratching my head how this guy was able to get all of this stuff into his room without anyone noticing. In the interview the cops mentioned that he had a bunch of cordless screwdrivers and was able to secure doors shut. How was he able to to all of this without anyone noticing any of it :headscratch:

http://nyp.st/2gldjKr

 

[500bbc]

Could be argued either way I suppose.

The target area was spotlighted, he didn't need tracers.

 

[RiverDave]

The target area was spotlighted, he didn't need tracers.

Lights came on after the shooting started.

 

[500bbc]

Lights came on after the shooting started.

Yup, illuminating the entire area.
He might have just been spraying downrange until then.

 

[Old Texan]

The 60 Minutes interview if you missed it. Still scratching my head how this guy was able to get all of this stuff into his room without anyone noticing. In the interview the cops mentioned that he had a bunch of cordless screwdrivers and was able to secure doors shut. How was he able to to all of this without anyone noticing any of it :headscratch:

http://nyp.st/2gldjKr

If he broke things down and had them in large duffels and/or large suitcases, it would have been easy enough. Hotel luggage carts are easy to come by and if he tipped a bellman easy to take up to his room Also roller bags are common. A guy in a room for 3 days should have no issue moving the items he needed moved. In that time he could have brought things up a bag at a time with out causing suspicion. Common sight seeing people and luggage.

These facts will be in the investigator's notes I'd think. The luggage had to still be in the room. It's just a matter if and when the facts are given to the public.

 

[underpressure]

Yea, so drilling holes in walls, screwing / drilling a metal plate to block off stairwell access, running video cords and a camera out to a service cart...and no one saw any of that on video in one of the most "observed" places in the US?

 

[500bbc]

Yea, so drilling holes in walls, screwing / drilling a metal plate to block off stairwell access, running video cords and a camera out to a service cart...and no one saw any of that on video in one of the most "observed" places in the US?

Mmm Hmm

Something stinks here.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

The 60 Minutes interview if you missed it. Still scratching my head how this guy was able to get all of this stuff into his room without anyone noticing. In the interview the cops mentioned that he had a bunch of cordless screwdrivers and was able to secure doors shut. How was he able to to all of this without anyone noticing any of it :headscratch:

http://nyp.st/2gldjKr

I don't know why people are still mistified. Unless they are analyzing a particular piece of video with software, who is going to put together that a guy went up to his room with bags 10 times and never came down with any? There are shift changes, various entrances, etc. It is not like he did it all in 30 minutes in an empty hotel. This is a bustling casino with a constant flow of people in and out. It is not like he was brandishing anything out of the ordinary.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yea, so drilling holes in walls, screwing / drilling a metal plate to block off stairwell access, running video cords and a camera out to a service cart...and no one saw any of that on video in one of the most "observed" places in the US?

He probably did all of that "outside of the room" stuff right before he started the shooting. Would be very easy to do in just a couple minutes. Again, unless there is a complaint in a specific area do you think there is a person watching ever camera all the time? That would be impossible. Everything is recorded and probably only sets off alerts for certain circumstances. A guy standing at a doorway for 2 mins probably is not one of those.

Generally speaking the hotel portion has much lees attention paid to is as the casino portion of the resort.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Yup, illuminating the entire area.
He might have just been spraying downrange until then.

You could clearly see the mass of people watching the show before the shooting started. Then the crowd dispersed, and lights came on.

A coworker was watching the whole thing from his 30th floor room, before the shooting started.

 

[JDKRXW]

He probably did all of that "outside of the room" stuff right before he started the shooting. Would be very easy to do in just a couple minutes. .

Agreed.
IMO everything he did, before he started shooting, from the minute he checked into the hotel would be very easy to do without raising any suspicion. Who pays any attention to someone with a roller duffel and a roller golf club bag going through the casino to the elevators? Do this twice or 3 times and he could easily have all his stuff in the room.

To me, the security guard is going to fill in a huge part of the story.

 

[TPC]

4049 rooms.
It's a monolith, not a motel six or the Loraine.
Easy to blend in and be stealthy especially when no one is expecting it.

 

[pkrrvr619]

Well this is interesting. Apparently the security guard was shot BEFORE the shooting occurred and went down the elevators?


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wow!! They have had to know that little nugget for days.

 

[500bbc]

Wow!! They have had to know that little nugget for days.

So the whole back story on how he helped SWAT open and clear rooms as they moved down the hall to the dirt bags room until they forced him to seek medical assistance was concocted out of thin air as well?:rolleyes

 

[RiverDave]

We are being lied too...

Here's a couple of fun things to ponder for one second.

Paddock was a professional gambler and netted 5 Million dollars in 2015 most of which was from gambling. His brother is quoted as saying "He new the odds down to a tenth"

So did he Play Black Jack? Did he play Poker? You can win money playing those games..

NO HE PLAYED VIDEO POKER AND SLOT MACHINES..

What are we fucking idiots? Really? That's the shit you play to get free drinks. Nobody can play video Poker consistently and win money. Same for slots. There is no "odds" other than they take money and occasionally give a little back to some lucky schlep.



Here's a second one for you. WHERE'S THE VIDEO? I don't think there's any one of us that haven't been in a big Vegas Casino. On the gaming floor they actually have facial recognition software that recognizes cheats / ballers / regulars etc. Every hallway where the rooms are is also under surveillance. If you so much as far the wrong direction they make the decision to have security come or not.

There's no video of this guy entering / leaving casino property at all for four days. They are saying now that there "might be" a second person that entered the room?? Really "MIGHT BE?"


Steve Wynn (Wynn Casino) said Paddock stayed at his place off and on over the last 5+ years. They already went through all the footage and have said he has never had any alcohol while he stayed there.

So this guy can come out and say shit like that for a fact for five fucking years.. But somehow over at the Mandelay they can't review the tapes in the hallway over a four day span to see if someone helped him, or entered and exited the room?

Gimme a break..


Now (with all the footage in hand) they can't even tell us when the security guard was shot?



WTF is going on here?

RD

 

[Captain Dan]

Well this is interesting. Apparently the security guard was shot BEFORE the shooting occurred and went down the elevators?


http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

If it was before the shooting, then then what was the reason for the security guard to be at his door?

 

[pkrrvr619]

If it was before the shooting, then then what was the reason for the security guard to be at his door?

Good question, it says he was reporting to an alert about an open door. But you do raise a good point, this doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Here's another interesting bit from the article as well "Lombardo also revised the date on which police believe Paddock checked in to the Mandalay Bay hotel. While initially they said he had checked in on Sept. 28, three days before the shooting, they now believe he checked in on Sept. 25."

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We are being lied too...

Here's a couple of fun things to ponder for one second.

Paddock was a professional gambler and netted 5 Million dollars in 2015 most of which was from gambling. His brother is quoted as saying "He new the odds down to a tenth"

So did he Play Black Jack? Did he play Poker? You can win money playing those games..

NO HE PLAYED VIDEO POKER AND SLOT MACHINES..

What are we fucking idiots? Really? That's the shit you play to get free drinks. Nobody can play video Poker consistently and win money. Same for slots. There is no "odds" other than they take money and occasionally give a little back to some lucky schlep.



Here's a second one for you. WHERE'S THE VIDEO? I don't think there's any one of us that haven't been in a big Vegas Casino. On the gaming floor they actually have facial recognition software that recognizes cheats / ballers / regulars etc. Every hallway where the rooms are is also under surveillance. If you so much as far the wrong direction they make the decision to have security come or not.

There's no video of this guy entering / leaving casino property at all for four days. They are saying now that there "might be" a second person that entered the room?? Really "MIGHT BE?"


Steve Wynn (Wynn Casino) said Paddock stayed at his place off and on over the last 5+ years. They already went through all the footage and have said he has never had any alcohol while he stayed there.

So this guy can come out and say shit like that for a fact for five fucking years.. But somehow over at the Mandelay they can't review the tapes in the hallway over a four day span to see if someone helped him, or entered and exited the room?

Gimme a break..


Now (with all the footage in hand) they can't even tell us when the security guard was shot?



WTF is going on here?

RD

Actually if played correctly on the right machines, video poker can be within 1% odds of the house. And a good player can play in excess of 1000 hands an hour.

All the Mandalay footage is part of an active investigation. They aren't just going to release what they find.

 

[l84theriv]

If it was before the shooting, then then what was the reason for the security guard to be at his door?

Also now they are saying he checked in on the 25th not the 28th. How do you get that wrong? LMAO. Non of this is adding up. I use to chuckle at the conspiracy theories but Im starting to wonder.

 

[rivrrts429]

Paddock is now being described as a conspiracist. Supposedly he believed that the U.S. government was in on the 9/11 tragedy.

This thing is starting to stink real fucking bad...

 

[Flying_Lavey]

We are being lied too...

Here's a couple of fun things to ponder for one second.

Paddock was a professional gambler and netted 5 Million dollars in 2015 most of which was from gambling. His brother is quoted as saying "He new the odds down to a tenth"

So did he Play Black Jack? Did he play Poker? You can win money playing those games..

NO HE PLAYED VIDEO POKER AND SLOT MACHINES..

What are we fucking idiots? Really? That's the shit you play to get free drinks. Nobody can play video Poker consistently and win money. Same for slots. There is no "odds" other than they take money and occasionally give a little back to some lucky schlep.



Here's a second one for you. WHERE'S THE VIDEO? I don't think there's any one of us that haven't been in a big Vegas Casino. On the gaming floor they actually have facial recognition software that recognizes cheats / ballers / regulars etc. Every hallway where the rooms are is also under surveillance. If you so much as far the wrong direction they make the decision to have security come or not.

There's no video of this guy entering / leaving casino property at all for four days. They are saying now that there "might be" a second person that entered the room?? Really "MIGHT BE?"


Steve Wynn (Wynn Casino) said Paddock stayed at his place off and on over the last 5+ years. They already went through all the footage and have said he has never had any alcohol while he stayed there.

So this guy can come out and say shit like that for a fact for five fucking years.. But somehow over at the Mandelay they can't review the tapes in the hallway over a four day span to see if someone helped him, or entered and exited the room?

Gimme a break..


Now (with all the footage in hand) they can't even tell us when the security guard was shot?



WTF is going on here?

RD

I agree with you Dave. There is A LOT mote they aren't saying.

So, now with the security guard shot BEFORE the shooting, why did Paddock unload over 200 rounds into the hallway? How was that shooting not heard nor reported to the hotel security and/or police? There is some VERY fishy stuff going on here....

 

[500bbc]

So he was the only person on that entire floor?

 

[JD D05]

So he was the only person on that entire floor?

Ya this is what gets me.

 

[Abc123]

Yea, so drilling holes in walls, screwing / drilling a metal plate to block off stairwell access, running video cords and a camera out to a service cart...and no one saw any of that on video in one of the most "observed" places in the US?

Mmm Hmm

Something stinks here.

Yep. Smells like CIA.

So he was the only person on that entire floor?

He's a baller. Remember? He booked the entire floor. :rolleyes

 

[RGH'sBaba]

This shit is rapidly starting to look like an inside job; a false flag. I'm not inclined to believe a single word uttered by any government stooge. If they're smart the crooked powers that be will come with some pretty convincing video in the very near future.

 

[buck35]

I'm starting to think ordering a tin foil hat aint such a bad idea.

I'm just glad I live a little left of nowhere, and hate crowds to boot.

 

[RiverDave]

Actually if played correctly on the right machines, video poker can be within 1% odds of the house. And a good player can play in excess of 1000 hands an hour.

All the Mandalay footage is part of an active investigation. They aren't just going to release what they find.

I just find that hard to believe.. I don't know anybody that can consistently net within one percent (which I am assuming is in the negative to begin with). Let alone a guy that can consistently win 5 million?

I agree with you Dave. There is A LOT mote they aren't saying.

So, now with the security guard shot BEFORE the shooting, why did Paddock unload over 200 rounds into the hallway? How was that shooting not heard nor reported to the hotel security and/or police? There is some VERY fishy stuff going on here....

200 rounds is what they said. Think about that for a second. This guys quickest rifle change or reload was 18 seconds and near as I can tell he was running 60 round mags.. 200 rounds is impressive to say the least. Did better on that door then he did on his primary target..

And again shit doesn't add up.

 

[regor]

Can I get "Save the Bullshit" for $1000 Alex!!!!

"He was made out to be the hero, but was found to have extreme amounts of gunpowder residue on his hands."

"Who was CIA operative Jesus Campos!!!"

"EXCUSE ME?!!!!!"

"Sorry Alex, who was Jesus Campos" arty:

 

[PrimeCut]

Looking forward to Friday, we are having a Celebration of Life party for Brennan, more steps toward healing
https://www.facebook.com/reviewjournal/videos/10155528861795552/

 

[ParkerRat]

Here's an interesting theory, explains the casings on top of his blood. I have thought the official story has stunk from the beginning
http://gotnews.com/report-atf-now-believes-hotel-security-guard-helped-paddock-plan-las-vegas-massacre-staged-cover/

 

[DirtyWhiteDog]

So this is 3rd or 4th had "knowledge "
Just what I've heard. The door alarm was on the floor below, some nanny watching kids in another suite ( if you leave the front door open to long, sounds alarm down at desk) shooter had already sealed stairway door and was in the process of drilling camera and gun slot into stairway, this is what S guard heard went to check. Stairway blocked so went around other way. Shooter see's him on camera, unloads 200 rounds through the door. S guard hit in leg. Shooting starts shortly after.
Again not my story but it fits, heard this at 6am today.

 

[Meaney77]

Ya this is what gets me.

So he was the only person on that entire floor?

Wondered the same thing...The front desk or security never received any calls from room neighbors informing of any funky activity or the fact the someone next to them is unloading a shit load of bullets out of the window? Doesnt make sense to me. Maybe he also rented the surrounding rooms?

 

[ParkerRat]

So this is 3rd or 4th had "knowledge "
Just what I've heard. The door alarm was on the floor below, some nanny watching kids in another suite ( if you leave the front door open to long, sounds alarm down at desk) shooter had already sealed stairway door and was in the process of drilling camera and gun slot into stairway, this is what S guard heard went to check. Stairway blocked so went around other way. Shooter see's him on camera, unloads 200 rounds through the door. S guard hit in leg. Shooting starts shortly after.
Again not my story but it fits, heard this at 6am today.

shooting into the crowd starts 6 minutes after security guard shot. How does the security guard not call for help or no one in the hotel hears 200 shots and calls police in those 6 minutes? were talking a huge vegas hotel. you cant tell me he unloaded 200 rounds in a hotel and no one heard it? really. hard to swallow that. also, it took swat 72 minutes to break into the room from the time he started shooting into the crowd. none of this is making sense

 

[Meaney77]

This shit is rapidly starting to look like an inside job; a false flag. I'm not inclined to believe a single word uttered by any government stooge. If they're smart the crooked powers that be will come with some pretty convincing video in the very near future.

Agree shit doesn't add up here but I am struggling with what the "win" is here if its an inside job of some sort.

I would venture to say that the hotel will take a huge financial loss after all of this and probably hard to regain what they once had- especially with so many options in Vegas. I would venture to say Mandalay is probably done after this, people aren't going to want to stay there. So they aren't winning

Political agenda of some sort for gun control?? Possibly

Terrorist attack/ ISIS weapons deal gone bad?? Possibly

I guess I just dont understand who wins in the shitty situation. There is so much info that should be easily accessible at the hotel that hasn't been released yet which doesn't add up.

 

[ParkerRat]

next question, why 200 rounds thru the door? we are talking 2 100 round drum mags. that security guard would have been swiss cheese and there wouldn't have been jack left of the door let alone the next few rooms down range. and nobody called the front desk to ask who was shooting off fireworks in their room?

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I just find that hard to believe.. I don't know anybody that can consistently net within one percent (which I am assuming is in the negative to begin with). Let alone a guy that can consistently win 5 million?




200 rounds is what they said. Think about that for a second. This guys quickest rifle change or reload was 18 seconds and near as I can tell he was running 60 round mags.. 200 rounds is impressive to say the least. Did better on that door then he did on his primary target..

And again shit doesn't add up.

He self declared 5M in earnings one year. Who knows what the losses were.

There are strategies to playing video poker. Again, you have to play a very disciplined game, and it is pretty much bianary. You just have to know the odds on everything.

 

[ParkerRat]

Agree shit doesn't add up here but I am struggling with what the "win" is here if its an inside job of some sort.

I would venture to say that the hotel will take a huge financial loss after all of this and probably hard to regain what they once had- especially with so many options in Vegas. I would venture to say Mandalay is probably done after this, people aren't going to want to stay there. So they aren't winning

Political agenda of some sort for gun control?? Possibly

Terrorist attack/ ISIS weapons deal gone bad?? Possibly

I guess I just dont understand who wins in the shitty situation. There is so much info that should be easily accessible at the hotel that hasn't been released yet which doesn't add up.

First win in a slippery slope of gun control. The gun control commies haven't had a single win in years (other than commifornia I mean) and they need a win to build on. If they can get a win on Bump Stocks and Tracer Rounds they can parley that into Universal Background checks and then more from there. They can also block the popular legislation on National Reciprocity and Silencers. I think they are looking for momentum and from what I have seen from the cowards in congress they may get it, That would be the reason for a CIA or FBI op like this. Just my opinion of course.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Agree shit doesn't add up here but I am struggling with what the "win" is here if its an inside job of some sort.

I would venture to say that the hotel will take a huge financial loss after all of this and probably hard to regain what they once had- especially with so many options in Vegas. I would venture to say Mandalay is probably done after this, people aren't going to want to stay there. So they aren't winning

Political agenda of some sort for gun control?? Possibly

Terrorist attack/ ISIS weapons deal gone bad?? Possibly

I guess I just dont understand who wins in the shitty situation. There is so much info that should be easily accessible at the hotel that hasn't been released yet which doesn't add up.

I don't know why everyone expects to have all the information on this. It is an open investigation, they are only going to let us know what they want us to know.

This is too pointless to be a false flag attack. no motive, no note, no agenda.

Mandalay Bay will be fine, at most they will rebrand the place. That music venue is probably done though.

 

[4Waters]

One of the performers already stated that his Nanny and 6mo son were in the room next to his the day after the shooting, so now they are saying that no one else was on that floor but him, I call foul this smells as bad as limberger cheese on a hot manifold.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

One of the performers already stated that his Nanny and 6mo son were in the room next to his the day after the shooting, so now they are saying that no one else was on that floor but him, I call foul this smells as bad as limberger cheese on a hot manifold.

Yea they interviewed a guy in an adjacent room on TV I thought.

News story on a guy a few doors down:

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.c...unman-describes-chaotic-terrifying-scene/amp/

 

[TPC]

NFW was he playing the action he claimed nor taking in the rake he claimed.
Nowhere near it.


Wait for the toxicology report.
Maybe he was a tweeker.
If they didn't blow his brains out maybe find a tumor.

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Agree shit doesn't add up here but I am struggling with what the "win" is here if its an inside job of some sort.

I would venture to say that the hotel will take a huge financial loss after all of this and probably hard to regain what they once had- especially with so many options in Vegas. I would venture to say Mandalay is probably done after this, people aren't going to want to stay there. So they aren't winning

Political agenda of some sort for gun control?? Possibly

Terrorist attack/ ISIS weapons deal gone bad?? Possibly

I guess I just dont understand who wins in the shitty situation. There is so much info that should be easily accessible at the hotel that hasn't been released yet which doesn't add up.

The 'win' is always the same. Build support among feeble minded useful idiots for civilian disarmament. The treasonous demoncrats are already on board, because they're, well....treasonous. The rest of the people need to be convinced to voluntarily give up their Liberty now.

 

[Booshy]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XDnxhTeAQZ8#

I?m starting to agree some things are not adding up.

 

[78Southwind]

I don't know anything about this guy but his information seems interesting. I know that .223 and .308 caliber ammo was found but this guy only mentions the .223.

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