Route 91 shooting in las Vegas

[t&y]

Too funny. All you guys are chomping at the bit everytime a new news story comes out. Some even seem pissed off that you don't have all the info RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry fellas, if you wanted the inside scoop you should have joined the PD or FBI.

I'd suggest taking a few deep breaths before jumping too far off the cliff on this whole deal.:thumbsup

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Personally I think all these conspiracy theories are pretty insulting.

You guys all sound like the cranks that said Sandy Hook was about gun control.

And the night club shooting in Miami was too...

Your guns aren't going anywhere.

Investigations take time, this guy wasn't on anybody's radar. If you want to be fearful if anything, be fearful of growth of the surveillance state.

 

[TPC]

The shooter was a regular at the senior citizens center for the $2 meals.
If he wagered the kind of money he claimed he’da been known by all the casinos and comp'd for their best restaurants and rooms all the time.

Steve Wynn and several other resorts heads never heard of him they all said in interviews. They all personally hand the winning check to big winners and always match what ever the winner donates to charity.
Only two casinos take that kinda action on top all that.

He’da been known by other gamblers as well with stakes like that. No ones heard of him. Just a fuckball with a few spec investments worth something on paper.

We’re watching a dog for a high limit dealer at Caesars who said the guy probably lost a million total over the past 30 years but NFW was he regularly betting that kinda action under the radar.

Maybe 45 to 50 people/whales total play sums of money that high and not daily like the shooter claimed.

The best high limit video poker machines have up to a 26% house edge. Craps played perfectly you still get your ass kicked at a 2 % house edge and that's gone up in the past few years with the limits on odds. So do the math.
The gold bracelet poker guys would all have known if anyone that regularly played with over $30k let alone anyone with the amounts the shooter claimed. None of them knew of him.

 

[500bbc]

Yea they interviewed a guy in an adjacent room on TV I thought.

News story on a guy a few doors down:

https://www.google.com/amp/nypost.c...unman-describes-chaotic-terrifying-scene/amp/

"
He reportedly listened to the orders and built a pillow fort to protect himself as SWAT teams moved in to take out Paddock." :rolleyes

 

[wsuwrhr]

"
He reportedly listened to the orders and built a pillow fort to protect himself as SWAT teams moved in to take out Paddock." :rolleyes

Pillow fort.

Noted.

 

[500bbc]

Too funny. All you guys are chomping at the bit everytime a new news story comes out. Some even seem pissed off that you don't have all the info RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!!!!!!!!!!! Sorry fellas, if you wanted the inside scoop you should have joined the PD or FBI.

I'd suggest taking a few deep breaths before jumping too far off the cliff on this whole deal.:thumbsup

Spoil sport!

 

[RGH'sBaba]

Personally I think all these conspiracy theories are pretty insulting.

You guys all sound like the cranks that said Sandy Hook was about gun control.

And the night club shooting in Miami was too...

Your guns aren't going anywhere.

Investigations take time, this guy wasn't on anybody's radar. If you want to be fearful if anything, be fearful of growth of the surveillance state.

Sandy HOAX was an assault on our gun rights. The info is there to be seen. If you truly think the scumbag government's story is plausible you must not be paying attention. The kenyan's 'Fast and Futious' operation was another. You can close your eyes, plug your ears, and say 'la la la la I can't hear you' until you're blue in the face.

 

[Old Texan]

Here's an interesting theory, explains the casings on top of his blood. I have thought the official story has stunk from the beginning
http://gotnews.com/report-atf-now-believes-hotel-security-guard-helped-paddock-plan-las-vegas-massacre-staged-cover/

I wouldn't put much faith in GotNews as reliable. The owner is known making shit up.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_C._Johnson

 

[Heylam]

Funny how everyone is basing their assumptions off of news reports, while claiming fake news when applied to different issues.
News sells.......

 

[Tank]

I've watched a couple shows with people (Senators, politicians, activists) demanding tighter gun control. Seems the demand is to create a "magical" database for everyone that purchases assault rifles (already exists except for the loop-holes, which there are many) and to have people registered flagged when they're "stock piling" assault style rifles so the local police can go question that person about why they're doing so.

couple things -
A) registration is fine. I don't have a problem with that at all and it's fine to close the loop holes like the gun show issue.
B) most purchases ARE registered and this dick head from LV had all his guns legally registered.
So, C) WTF good would it have done? WTF is a cop going to do when they knock on this guys door asking why he has a bunch of guns and he says, "yep, I own 6 rifles and like 10 other guns because I like guns"?
And even if he was associated to radical muslims or ANTIFA or whatever, with out him committing a crime, there's not much to do unless we start just locking people up for suspicious behavior (ring a bell of Germany circa 1945, Russia circa 70/80's?). And come on, the fad right now is to lesson sentencing, reduce felonies and kick people out of prison and jail as quickly as possible, so what exactly will be the punishment for stock piling guns or whatever these politicians suggest?

None of the pro gun control recommendations I've seen would have changed this incident or any of the other mass shooting incidents in recent years. It drives me NUTS to see people demanding more gun control but no specifics about how to go about that. There's no resolution just throwing out unrealistic demands to peacock.

 

[Old Texan]

I've watched a couple shows with people (Senators, politicians, activists) demanding tighter gun control. Seems the demand is to create a "magical" database for everyone that purchases assault rifles (already exists except for the loop-holes, which there are many) and to have people registered flagged when they're "stock piling" assault style rifles so the local police can go question that person about why they're doing so.

couple things -
A) registration is fine. I don't have a problem with that at all and it's fine to close the loop holes like the gun show issue.
B) most purchases ARE registered and this dick head from LV had all his guns legally registered.
So, C) WTF good would it have done? WTF is a cop going to do when they knock on this guys door asking why he has a bunch of guns and he says, "yep, I own 6 rifles and like 10 other guns because I like guns"?
And even if he was associated to radical muslims or ANTIFA or whatever, with out him committing a crime, there's not much to do unless we start just locking people up for suspicious behavior (ring a bell of Germany circa 1945, Russia circa 70/80's?). And come on, the fad right now is to lesson sentencing, reduce felonies and kick people out of prison and jail as quickly as possible, so what exactly will be the punishment for stock piling guns or whatever these politicians suggest?

None of the pro gun control recommendations I've seen would have changed this incident or any of the other mass shooting incidents in recent years. It drives me NUTS to see people demanding more gun control but no specifics about how to go about that. There's no resolution just throwing out unrealistic demands to peacock.

It all comes down to the frustration these events cause. The public demands we be safe from dangers that blindside us on a repetitive basis......The answer that will not be accepted, is these events cannot realistically be stopped because there is no way of knowing who is planning them unless they tell someone that would report them to LE.

It's equally frustrating the anti gun movement finds ways to point at legal gun ownership as being a cause immediately when a shooting occurs. Always looking to point blame to further their mission.

 

[Sleek-Jet]

Sandy HOAX was an assault on our gun rights. The info is there to be seen. If you truly think the scumbag government's story is plausible you must not be paying attention. The kenyan's 'Fast and Futious' operation was another. You can close your eyes, plug your ears, and say 'la la la la I can't hear you' until you're blue in the face.

Ok, thank you for illustrating my point.... :rolleyes

 

[regor]

I've watched a couple shows with people (Senators, politicians, activists) demanding tighter gun control. Seems the demand is to create a "magical" database for everyone that purchases assault rifles (already exists except for the loop-holes, which there are many) and to have people registered flagged when they're "stock piling" assault style rifles so the local police can go question that person about why they're doing so.

couple things -
A) registration is fine. I don't have a problem with that at all and it's fine to close the loop holes like the gun show issue.
B) most purchases ARE registered and this dick head from LV had all his guns legally registered.
So, C) WTF good would it have done? WTF is a cop going to do when they knock on this guys door asking why he has a bunch of guns and he says, "yep, I own 6 rifles and like 10 other guns because I like guns"?
And even if he was associated to radical muslims or ANTIFA or whatever, with out him committing a crime, there's not much to do unless we start just locking people up for suspicious behavior (ring a bell of Germany circa 1945, Russia circa 70/80's?). And come on, the fad right now is to lesson sentencing, reduce felonies and kick people out of prison and jail as quickly as possible, so what exactly will be the punishment for stock piling guns or whatever these politicians suggest?

None of the pro gun control recommendations I've seen would have changed this incident or any of the other mass shooting incidents in recent years. It drives me NUTS to see people demanding more gun control but no specifics about how to go about that. There's no resolution just throwing out unrealistic demands to peacock.

They want to disarm the populace, plain and simple. :thumbsdown

I'm not convinced yet, but this thing is smelling like a propaganda event.

 

[JRider]

Here's an interesting theory, explains the casings on top of his blood. I have thought the official story has stunk from the beginning
http://gotnews.com/report-atf-now-believes-hotel-security-guard-helped-paddock-plan-las-vegas-massacre-staged-cover/

I want to know why two pools of blood, one large and dried/soaked in, and another on top of it red and wet with the casings on it.

 

[renodaytona]

B) most purchases ARE registered and this dick head from LV had all his guns legally registered.

Just an FYI NV doesn't require gun registration, when you buy a gun from a shop here the paperwork (4473) stays with the gun shop. None of the serial number data or details of the weapon go to the ATF. The Nevada department of public safety that performs the check simply asks the shop that is selling the gun if it is a hand gun or rifle. If you have a CCW the paperwork is filed and no call even takes place, the shop notates that on the 4473 as well as who the gun was sold to in their bound book.

 

[TPC]

Personally I think all these conspiracy theories are pretty insulting.

You guys all sound like the cranks that said Sandy Hook was about gun control.

And the night club shooting in Miami was too...

Your guns aren't going anywhere.

Investigations take time, this guy wasn't on anybody's radar. If you want to be fearful if anything, be fearful of growth of the surveillance state.

I understand your point.
I have a friend that is brilliant. He runs a machine shop that programs and make highly technical things like sub periscopes, precision military and aircraft parts the guy is amazingly smart.
But he argues it was Castro on the grassy knowl that pulled the trigger after having a few beers with Oswald at Jack Rubys Club with J.D Tippet, the Bushwackers and wrestling is real, we faked the moon landing, Clinton blew up the twin towers and Grass isnt legal because it cures cancer, the plane crash into the Pentagon never happened, Im not kidding he is out there.

Irritating to be around him.
But its true Bildoe has three balls and a question mark tattoo on the head of his dick.

 

[HotRod82]

Has anyone seen video of him bringing in bag after bag into the Mandalay Bay? I have not, and it seems to me they would have lots of footage of him stocking the room.
If this guy was as smart as they are making him out to be, why would he risk being caught bringing in so many weapons? IMO, there was either another shooter or more likely there was supposed to be several other shooters who were no shows.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Has anyone seen video of him bringing in bag after bag into the Mandalay Bay? I have not, and it seems to me they would have lots of footage of him stocking the room.
If this guy was as smart as they are making him out to be, why would he risk being caught bringing in so many weapons? IMO, there was either another shooter or more likely there was supposed to be several other shooters who were no shows.

I do agree with that.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Has anyone seen video of him bringing in bag after bag into the Mandalay Bay? I have not, and it seems to me they would have lots of footage of him stocking the room.
If this guy was as smart as they are making him out to be, why would he risk being caught bringing in so many weapons? IMO, there was either another shooter or more likely there was supposed to be several other shooters who were no shows.

Why do you expect to see that? It is an open investigation. You won't see any hotel surveillance video unless it is leaked.

The guy could have brought up 100 bags over a couple days. There is 0 risk of being caught. No one checks your bags when you get to a hotel. It is not an airport... yet.

 

[Tank]

They want to disarm the populace, plain and simple. :thumbsdown

I'm not convinced yet, but this thing is smelling like a propaganda event.

First and foremost - impossible to do. Secondly, if the Govnt tried to take away everyone's guns there would be absolute civil war. Third, I really have not heard ANYONE talking about taking away all guns from the public. All they talk about is tighter control but fail to provide specifics. It's very frustrating and I think it comes down to what Tex is saying - Everyone just looking for someone to blame and to feel secure. But the argument is a moot point that's just lip service.

 

[wsuwrhr]

First and foremost - impossible to do. Secondly, if the Govnt tried to take away everyone's guns there would be absolute civil war. Third, I really have not heard ANYONE talking about taking away all guns from the public. All they talk about is tighter control but fail to provide specifics. It's very frustrating and I think it comes down to what Tex is saying - Everyone just looking for someone to blame and to feel secure. But the argument is a moot point that's just lip service.

It can be done by a drip by drip process.

 

[Old Texan]

They want to disarm the populace, plain and simple. :thumbsdown

I'm not convinced yet, but this thing is smelling like a propaganda event.

The propaganda part is the bullshit being thrown about after the actual event......Some folks are trying to find a way to deal with such conscienceless brutality and others, like the anti-gunners, are trying to use it for their gain.

 

[Old Texan]

First and foremost - impossible to do. Secondly, if the Govnt tried to take away everyone's guns there would be absolute civil war. Third, I really have not heard ANYONE talking about taking away all guns from the public. All they talk about is tighter control but fail to provide specifics. It's very frustrating and I think it comes down to what Tex is saying - Everyone just looking for someone to blame and to feel secure. But the argument is a moot point that's just lip service.

If government tried to take away all the guns, I cannot even begin to imagine the number of hunkered down gun owners they'd have surrounded. Hell, I can see entire communities surrounded......:skull

 

[Old Texan]

It can be done by a drip by drip process.

That's why the bastards hate the NRA. The NRA ain't giving ground.:thumbsup:thumbsup

 

[Sleek-Jet]

They want to disarm the populace, plain and simple. :thumbsdown

I'm not convinced yet, but this thing is smelling like a propaganda event.

They say they do, but they don't. "They" essentially owned the political landscape from 2008 to 2010. Gun restrictions didn't happen.

It would take an amendment to the Constitution and that just isn't going to happen on this subject.

So gun control is just a talking point and litmus test for the politicians.

 

[Tank]

It can be done by a drip by drip process.

It's easy to "say that" but the reality of rounding up all guns from citizens will never, ever happen. The funnel may get squeezed and slowed but it'll never be shut off.

 

[WhatExit?]

Have you been to a CA gun store lately and looked at AR's and what the politicians have done to them?

Do you know about the requirement that pistols imprint each brass fired?

 

[WhatExit?]

Have you seen this news story? The police/sheriff have made a huge change in the timeline!

https://www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/latest-las-vegas-mass-shooting/story?id=50367905

 

[HotRod82]

Why do you expect to see that? It is an open investigation. You won't see any hotel surveillance video unless it is leaked.

The guy could have brought up 100 bags over a couple days. There is 0 risk of being caught. No one checks your bags when you get to a hotel. It is not an airport... yet.

The reason I would expect to see at least some video of this guy with bag after bag is simply because we ALWAYS see at least some video of every major incident since 9/11. The Boston bombing we saw closed circuit video from virtually every business on that busy street immediately. Every hotel bombing around the world we get immediate video. Strange to me no video of him has been released or leaked.

I disagree there is no chance of getting caught bringing in bag after bag over several days. Ever notice how many crimes are solved by chance? Some small oversight by the perp leads to them being caught. Something as simple as a zipper not 100% closed could have been his downfall. Again, if this was so carefully planned why take the chance? Wynn admitted his security people observe and profile everyone who walks through the door. Heavy bags are very easy to spot so why take the chance of bringing in more than you need? In addition to being noticed, why take the chance of something out of your control (like someone stealing your bag for instance) unless the additional weapons were needed for additional shooters. I know the investigators only let out information when it helps them with the investigation so I don't expect them to tell us everything......it just seems to me this investigation is taking a different path than the norm.

 

[relaxalot]

I was there at the event with my wife. I was also with my daughter and SIL and another couple. We were in front of the stage about 25 yards back on the left side on the astroturf. Initially, we heard somewhere between 4-6 "pops" We all looked at each other and ducked our heads. Remember, the music is pumping... I heard someone yell out "It's fucking firecrackers!!!" Now I am not so sure that they may of yelled out "It's NOT f'ing firecrackers" I looked up and saw some debris floating down through the air about 20 feet high. It actually looked like firecrackers had been thrown up in the air. This was even with us about center stage 25 yards back. After about 3 more seconds... I heard what I knew to be gunshots... I yelled as loud as I could for everyone to get down. Everyone in about a 30 square foot circle crouched down... I then yelled "all the way down!!!".. We weren't on the ground more than 15 seconds before I looked up and saw our area being strafed with full auto fire. It was terrible.. I then said we had to run!!! People in my group we now crouching and getting up. I thought that there were 3-5 people in the crowd with semi autos sweeping the crowd and someone in the distance with a .308 caliber belt fed full auto at the time. I thought our only chance was to get out of there. So we all ran... I was pacing my wife and a guy shoved me down trying to "pull and then push" himself by. I fell on the asphalt... my wife crouched down and waited not knowing if I had been hit or not. There was a virtual rain of bullets all around us.. I saw many hit. I felt they were coming from multiple shooters, different calibers and varying distances.. I stayed down because bullets were going over my head... and off to my right.. I could hear them ricocheting off the VIP area to my right. I I thought it was a terrorist attack with multiple players and I then got up and continued to run out the exit. I was right next to my wife. The others in our group ran out ahead of us.

We ended up in the Sands aviation hangar with a group that grew to about 100 peeps. During this time we communicated with the police dept and heard that many casinos were under attack. I tried to go on CNN.com and Fox a full 35 minutes after the attacks started and there was nothing reported on the AP. Twitter was active but full of mistruths.

My wife and I had a room on the same floor as the shooter.. Lucky number 32.. We had to wait until Tuesday to get our stuff after the FBI went through it all. We were not allowed back into that floor. My friends had a suite directly below the shooter but on the 12th floor.. We met some people at the pool earlier on Sunday... one girl we met died that night.. We knew about 20 other people there that all made it out. May all of the fallen rest in peace.. There is no easy answer to this.. My message is take time to love your family, friends and yes... even your enemies.. They say that a smile is contagious... so is love... make a difference every day from the moment you wake up. Take that chance... I know it sounds cliche'... dance before the music is over.. your song is
playing now...


here is a link to to a newspaper article about my daughter and SIL in their hometown paper..
http://www.postregister.com/articles/news-daily-email-todays-headlines/2017/10/04/if-couple-among-survivors-vegas-shooting#

http://www.localnews8.com/news/kifi-top-story/ammon-couple-tells-story-of-survival-in-vegas-concert-shooting/629672609



Went out to Havasu the next weekend to try to find some peace with good friends and relaxALOT!

 

[Tank]

Have you been to a CA gun store lately and looked at AR's and what the politicians have done to them?

Do you know about the requirement that pistols imprint each brass fired?

And yet, I can still walk into a Ca gun store and by an AR or a pistol or 5.

 

[wsuwrhr]

Damn, glad you and yours are all OK. I could not imagine. Your quick thinking, spacial awareness, knowing when to get moving and GTFO, and some grace, saved everyone around you.

I was there at the event with my wife. I was also with my daughter and SIL and another couple. We were in front of the stage about 25 yards back on the left side on the astroturf. Initially, we heard somewhere between 4-6 "pops" We all looked at each other and ducked our heads. Remember, the music is pumping... I heard someone yell out "It's fucking firecrackers!!!" Now I am not so sure that they may of yelled out "It's NOT f'ing firecrackers" I looked up and saw some debris floating down through the air about 20 feet high. It actually looked like firecrackers had been thrown up in the air. This was even with us about center stage 25 yards back. After about 3 more seconds... I heard what I knew to be gunshots... I yelled as loud as I could for everyone to get down. Everyone in about a 30 square foot circle crouched down... I then yelled "all the way down!!!".. We weren't on the ground more than 15 seconds before I looked up and saw our area being strafed with full auto fire. It was terrible.. I then said we had to run!!! People in my group we now crouching and getting up. I thought that there were 3-5 people in the crowd with semi autos sweeping the crowd and someone in the distance with a .308 caliber belt fed full auto at the time. I thought our only chance was to get out of there. So we all ran... I was pacing my wife and a guy shoved me down trying to "pull and then push" himself by. I fell on the asphalt... my wife crouched down and waited not knowing if I had been hit or not. There was a virtual rain of bullets all around us.. I saw many hit. I felt they were coming from multiple shooters, different calibers and varying distances.. I stayed down because bullets were going over my head... and off to my right.. I could hear them ricocheting off the VIP area to my right. I I thought it was a terrorist attack with multiple players and I then got up and continued to run out the exit. I was right next to my wife. The others in our group ran out ahead of us.

We ended up in the Sands aviation hangar with a group that grew to about 100 peeps. During this time we communicated with the police dept and heard that many casinos were under attack. I tried to go on CNN.com and Fox a full 35 minutes after the attacks started and there was nothing reported on the AP. Twitter was active but full of mistruths.

My wife and I had a room on the same floor as the shooter.. Lucky number 32.. We had to wait until Tuesday to get our stuff after the FBI went through it all. We were not allowed back into that floor. My friends had a suite directly below the shooter but on the 12th floor.. We met some people at the pool earlier on Sunday... one girl we met died that night.. We knew about 20 other people there that all made it out. May all of the fallen rest in peace.. There is no easy answer to this.. My message is take time to love your family, friends and yes... even your enemies.. They say that a smile is contagious... so is love... make a difference every day from the moment you wake up. Take that chance... I know it sounds cliche'... dance before the music is over.. your song is
playing now...

 

[Abc123]

Agree shit doesn't add up here but I am struggling with what the "win" is here if its an inside job of some sort.

Police state.

I would venture to say that the hotel will take a huge financial loss after all of this and probably hard to regain what they once had- especially with so many options in Vegas. I would venture to say Mandalay is probably done after this, people aren't going to want to stay there. So they aren't winning

.

They have insurance. Just like the WTC.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Police state.




They have insurance. Just like the WTC.

Stimulating ideas!

 

[Abc123]

Personally I think all these conspiracy theories are pretty insulting.

You guys all sound like the cranks that said Sandy Hook was about gun control.

And the night club shooting in Miami was too...

Your guns aren't going anywhere.

Investigations take time, this guy wasn't on anybody's radar. If you want to be fearful if anything, be fearful of growth of the surveillance state.

There were/are. Wake up and smell the bullshit.

The government has been caught several times trying to enact terrorists acts on the public. History repeats itself.

How could you suggest to not fear gun control but to only fear increased privacy violation? With all due respect, you're not making any sense. That's all part of the police state agenda.

 

[Abc123]

First and foremost - impossible to do. Secondly, if the Govnt tried to take away everyone's guns there would be absolute civil war. Third, I really have not heard ANYONE talking about taking away all guns from the public. All they talk about is tighter control but fail to provide specifics. It's very frustrating and I think it comes down to what Tex is saying - Everyone just looking for someone to blame and to feel secure. But the argument is a moot point that's just lip service.

Lol! Don't be so naive.

If they wanted our guns, they'd have them at this point. Just like Executive Order 6102 when the government took everyone's gold in 1933.

If there was a civil war, we'd loose. Period. We'd hardly win against a local police dept with tanks Mwraps let alone the National Guard and Military. Aren't you a big supporter for small local PDs to have tanks and wartime equipment? See how this would aid the government in a civil war. :rolleyes

All the gov would have to do is pull areas off the power grid who didn't comply. Have you read 1984?

 

[Abc123]

How would we as a country even coordinate a civil war against the government? A group Facebook page that the government already spies on? :lmao

 

[JD D05]

How would we as a country even coordinate a civil war against the government? A group Facebook page that the government already spies on? :lmao

Ask them.

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Since 2000[edit]
Albanian rebellion in Macedonia, 2001
First Ivorian Civil War, 2002?2007
Houthi insurgency in Yemen, 18 June 2004 ? 6 February 2015
Fourth Chadian Civil War, 18 December 2005 ? 15 January 2010
First Iraqi Civil War, 2006?2007, a sub-conflict within the Iraq War February 2006 ? February 2007
Fatah?Hamas conflict (Palestine), 2006?2007, tensions ongoing
South Yemen insurgency, 27 April 2009 ? 19 March 2015
Second Ivorian Civil War, 2010?2011
Tajikistan insurgency, 19 September 2010 - August 2012
2010?12 Myanmar border clashes, 7 November 2010 ? 12 January 2012
Libyan Civil War, 15 February 2011 ? 23 October 2011
Post-civil war violence in Libya, 1 November 2011 ? 16 May 2014
Iraqi insurgency, 18 December 2011 ? 31 December 2013
Tuareg Rebellion in Mali, 16 January 2012 ? 6 April 2012
Northern Mali conflict, 16 January 2012 ? 20 February 2015
M23 rebellion, 4 April 2012 ? 7 November 2013
Ongoing civil wars[edit]
The following civil wars are ongoing as of 2016. Only ongoing conflicts meeting the definition of a civil war are listed. See list of ongoing military conflicts and lists of active separatist movements for lists with a wider scope.

Internal conflict in Myanmar, since 1948
Papua conflict, since 1962
Colombian conflict, since 1964
War in Afghanistan, since 1978
Peruvian conflict, since 1978
Kurdish?Turkish conflict since 1978
Somali Civil War, since 1988
War in Darfur, since 26 February 2003
War in North-West Pakistan, since 16 March 2004
Paraguayan People's Army insurgency, since 2005
Sudanese nomadic conflicts, since 26 May 2009
Syrian Civil War, since 15 March 2011, also see List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War
Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile since 5 June 2011
Central African Republic conflict, since 10 December 2012
South Sudanese Civil War, since 15 December 2013
Second Iraqi Civil War, since 4 June 2014
Second Libyan Civil War, since 16 May 2014
Second Yemeni Civil War, since 19 March 2015

 

[boatnam2]

I not one to think to far out of the box but that last press conference with the chief and the FBI guy burning a hole in the back of his head the whole time he is talking sure looks like something is not right.

 

[Abc123]

Ask them.

Iran crisis of 1946 1945-1946
Greek Civil War, 1946?1949
Paraguayan Civil War, 1947
Civil War in Mandatory Palestine, 1947?1948
Costa Rican Civil War, 1948
Yeosu?Suncheon rebellion, 1948
Jeju uprising, 1948
La Violencia (Colombia), 1948?1958
Malayan Emergency (Federation of Malaya), 1948?1960
Internal conflict in Myanmar, ongoing since 1948
Korean War, 1950?1953
Laotian Civil War 1953?1975
First Sudanese Civil War, 1955?1972
Vietnam War, 1955?1975
Congo Crisis, 1960?1966
Guatemalan Civil War, 1960?1996
North Yemen Civil War 1962?1970
Sarawak Communist Insurgency (Malaysia), 1962-1990
Nicaraguan Civil War, 1962?1990
Dominican Civil War, 1965
Rhodesian Bush War, 1965?1980
Communist insurgency in Thailand (Thailand), 1965-1983
Cypriot Civil War, 1963?1967
Nigerian Civil War, 1967?1970
Communist insurgency in Malaysia (1968?89)
The Troubles (Northern Ireland), 1969?1998, considered ongoing by extremist minority groups
Cambodian Civil War, 1970?1975
Bangladesh Liberation War (Pakistan), 1971 (However, the war is not an official civil war, only to the perspective to those who did not support the existence of the independent state of Bangladesh.)
Ethiopian Civil War, 1974?1991
Lebanese Civil War, 1975?1990
Mozambican Civil War, 1975?1992
Angolan Civil War, 1975?2002
Free Aceh Movement, 1976-2005
Soviet war in Afghanistan, part of / also called War in Afghanistan (1978?present) December 24, 1979 ? February 15, 1989 (Soviet war in Afghanistan lasted over nine years from 1979?1989 and was part of the Cold War but it was inevitable that the regime was to collapse within three to six months after the Soviet withdrawal)
Salvadoran Civil War (El Salvador), 1979?1992
Second Sudanese Civil War, 1983?2005
Sri Lankan Civil War, 1983?2009
South Yemen Civil War, 1986
Civil war in Afghanistan (1989?92), February 15, 1989 ? April 30, 1992 The continuing part of the civil war where the Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan, leaving the Afghan communist government to fend for itself against the Mujahideen months later part of / also called War in Afghanistan (1978?present)
First Liberian Civil War, 1989?1996
Rwandan Civil War, 1990?1993
Casamance Conflict (Senegal), 1990?2006
Georgian Civil War, 1991?1993
Sierra Leone Civil War, 1991?2002
Algerian Civil War, 1991?2002, conflicts persist
Civil war in Tajikistan, 1992?1997
Civil war in Afghanistan (1992?96), April 30, 1992 ? September 27, 1996 When the Afghan communist government falls to the Mujahideen there was a rise in different kinds of ideology, power-sharing, Belligerents and violent fighting continue to escalate part of / also called War in Afghanistan (1978?present)
Burundi Civil War, 1993?2005
First Yemeni Civil War, 1994
First Chechen War (Russia), 1994?1996
Iraqi Kurdish Civil War, 1994?1997
Civil war in Afghanistan (1996?2001), September 27, 1996 ? October 7, 2001 In 1996 the Taliban captured the Afghan capital Kabul and established the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan part of / also called War in Afghanistan (1978?present)
First Congo War, 1996?1997
Clashes in Cambodia, 1997
Nepalese Civil War, 1996?2006
Rebellion in Albania, 1997
Republic of the Congo Civil War, 1997?1999
Guinea-Bissau Civil War, 1998?1999
Kosovo War (Yugoslavia), 1998?1999
Second Congo War, 1998?2003
Uprising in Iraq (18 February 1999 ? April 1999)
Second Liberian Civil War, 1999?2003
Second Chechen War (Russia), 1999?2009
Since 2000[edit]
Albanian rebellion in Macedonia, 2001
First Ivorian Civil War, 2002?2007
Houthi insurgency in Yemen, 18 June 2004 ? 6 February 2015
Fourth Chadian Civil War, 18 December 2005 ? 15 January 2010
First Iraqi Civil War, 2006?2007, a sub-conflict within the Iraq War February 2006 ? February 2007
Fatah?Hamas conflict (Palestine), 2006?2007, tensions ongoing
South Yemen insurgency, 27 April 2009 ? 19 March 2015
Second Ivorian Civil War, 2010?2011
Tajikistan insurgency, 19 September 2010 - August 2012
2010?12 Myanmar border clashes, 7 November 2010 ? 12 January 2012
Libyan Civil War, 15 February 2011 ? 23 October 2011
Post-civil war violence in Libya, 1 November 2011 ? 16 May 2014
Iraqi insurgency, 18 December 2011 ? 31 December 2013
Tuareg Rebellion in Mali, 16 January 2012 ? 6 April 2012
Northern Mali conflict, 16 January 2012 ? 20 February 2015
M23 rebellion, 4 April 2012 ? 7 November 2013
Ongoing civil wars[edit]
The following civil wars are ongoing as of 2016. Only ongoing conflicts meeting the definition of a civil war are listed. See list of ongoing military conflicts and lists of active separatist movements for lists with a wider scope.

Internal conflict in Myanmar, since 1948
Papua conflict, since 1962
Colombian conflict, since 1964
War in Afghanistan, since 1978
Peruvian conflict, since 1978
Kurdish?Turkish conflict since 1978
Somali Civil War, since 1988
War in Darfur, since 26 February 2003
War in North-West Pakistan, since 16 March 2004
Paraguayan People's Army insurgency, since 2005
Sudanese nomadic conflicts, since 26 May 2009
Syrian Civil War, since 15 March 2011, also see List of armed groups in the Syrian Civil War
Sudanese conflict in South Kordofan and Blue Nile since 5 June 2011
Central African Republic conflict, since 10 December 2012
South Sudanese Civil War, since 15 December 2013
Second Iraqi Civil War, since 4 June 2014
Second Libyan Civil War, since 16 May 2014
Second Yemeni Civil War, since 19 March 2015

Nice copy and paste there, but do you happen to know the outcome of even half of those?

 

[JD D05]

Nice copy and paste there, but do you happen to know the outcome of even half of those?

Nope and neither do you. I also doubt any of them had many guns.

 

[Abc123]

Civil war is an interesting topic on RDP as there is a high LEO and Veteran presence on this website and especially in this thread.

To you service men/woman and boys and blue, if you were ordered to start taking out civilians by the establishment who employs you and who you sworn allegiance to, what would you do?

 

[Abc123]

Nope and neither do you. I also doubt any of them had many guns.

I'm not the one who copied and pasted it.


Doubt they had many guns. Hmm is that another pulled out of your butt theory?


I only bring up facts to argue my case that I know enough to talk about. Try it sometime.

 

[Tank]

Lol! Don't be so naive.

If they wanted our guns, they'd have them at this point. Just like Executive Order 6102 when the government took everyone's gold in 1933.

If there was a civil war, we'd loose. Period. We'd hardly win against a local police dept with tanks Mwraps let alone the National Guard and Military. Aren't you a big supporter for small local PDs to have tanks and wartime equipment? See how this would aid the government in a civil war. :rolleyes

All the gov would have to do is pull areas off the power grid who didn't comply. Have you read 1984?

I guess we can argue "What if's" til we're blue in the face. What if the Big earthquake hits? What if the Tsunami wipes out half the country? What if aliens land and we're invaded (thank god I have my guns huh?) :rolleyes

Yea, yea, yea, the govnt gonna take our guns and I'm na?ve. Noted

Oh, and I think my point of PD does in fact need armored vehicles was kinda proven when a guy is firing off machine gun 308 rounds from the 32nd floor of a Hotel.

 

[JD D05]

I'm not the one who copied and pasted it.


Doubt they had many guns. Hmm is that another pulled out of your butt theory?


I only bring up facts to argue my case that I know enough to talk about. Try it sometime.

I was pointing out yore an ignorant bitch that can't imagine how a civil war could even start when it has happened hundreds of times throughout history. Try not being so naive sometime.

 

[Abc123]

Oh, and I think my point of PD does in fact need armored vehicles was kinda proven when a guy is firing off machine gun 308 rounds from the 32nd floor of a Hotel.

Why? Only the police and personal inside would have been safe. None of the civilians would have benefited in this situation. How is an armored vehicle going to stop a man shooting from 32 floors up?

 

[Abc123]

I was pointing out yore an ignorant bitch that can't imagine how a civil war could even start when it has happened hundreds of times throughout history. Try not being so naive sometime.

Oh another retarded internet tough guy!

You pointed out nothing. You copied and pasted a google search that you know nothing about.

Keep trying dummy. :thumbsup

 

[JD D05]

Oh another retarded internet tough guy!

You pointed out nothing. You copied and pasted a google search that you know nothing about.

Keep trying dummy. :thumbsup

You asked "How does a civil war even start"? I posted a list of factual CIVIL WARS that have occurred in modern history. I than said "ask them" proving to you that it can be done in much less advanced societies . Do you want me to get some flash cards or maybe use crayons or something to lay out my point for you to understand?

Hopefully you can absorb that maybe try squinting.

 

[RiverDave]

We can debate who'd win a civil war until we are blue in the face.. To save you the suspense "nobody" wins in that program.. In quite a few of those named earlier there are still go / no go zones and in most cases certain regions aren't stable. Same would happen in the USA, the urban cities etc would be over run pretty quick with government, but the rural areas like the Appalachian's etc.. Those old hicks would be up there for decades without any intervention. Moving forward that isn't really the point of the thread.


As for the conspiracy theories.. They are what they are I guess. I just want to know why certain things don't add up, and why they won't show any of the footage from the hotel even pre-shooting. They are saying things like "We think" but there's camera footage of everything? The time lines have changed a couple of times. What they are claiming this guy did for a living doesn't make any sense to me or any gamblers that I Know. There's no motive released and I think most people have come to grips with the fact that they just aren't gonna tell us what it is or why. etc..


I think the whole country is looking at this thing and just saying "Something doesn't feel right?" It's weird on FB you have extreme leftist's, right, somewhere down the middle and that's literally the only topic of conversation that they will all agree on is the government is going to lie to us about this. How bad is it when that's the perception across the board?

RD

 

[Abc123]

You asked "How does a civil war even start"? I posted a list of factual CIVIL WARS that have occurred in modern history. I than said "ask them" proving to you that it can be done in much less advanced societies . Do you want me to get some flash cards or maybe use crayons or something to lay out my point for you to understand?

Like I said, how did the majority of those wars turn out? Feel free to research. No one is stopping you.

How would Americans assemble a 50 state militia against the most militant government known to mankind? It is not going to happen. If anyone tries to, such groups will be labeled terrorist and placed into already established FEMA camps throughout the US. The US government is far more prepared for something like this than a group of 323 million Americans who already don't get along are. Let's not forget that a vast majority of our population is employed and financially dependent upon the US Government. You think they're going to fight?