Route 91 shooting in las Vegas

[STV_Keith]

Taken from the article posted above:

Bump stocks are legal and originally were intended to help people with limited hand mobility fire a semi-automatic without the individual trigger pulls required. They can fit over the rear shoulder-stock assembly on an automatic rifle and with applied pressure cause the weapon to fire continuously, increasing the rate from between 45 and 60 rounds per minute to between 400 and 800 rounds per minute, according to California Democratic Sen. Dianne Feinstein?s office.

Is there any way that is accurate at all? That sounds a bit exaggerated but guess I should consider the source. :rolleyes Never used a bump stock, no desire to have one, don't even think I know anybody that owns one, but talk of bans/regulations/etc. always seems like it just opens the door for something else. Give 'em an inch & they'll take a mile comes to mind.

The bump stocks allow a user to use recoil to reset the trigger. That being the case, certainly recoil of the entire rifle is slower than the bolt is cycling in the weapon. The M16 (full auto military version of the AR-15) has a cycle rate of 750-900rpm. If the FA version will go 700-950, the bumpstock version will be somewhat slower. Also, bump stocks require user input and two hands. Most that I have seen have a hard time running through a full 30-round mag without a hiccup stopping the procession, and have to start again. More weight to move (ie, that 100round magazine/drum) means slower and less reliable bump operation. The liklihood of someone getting through an entire 100 round mag/drum without stopping, using a bump stock is very low IMO. Semi-auto fire can be much faster than 45-60 as well.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

The bump stocks allow a user to use recoil to reset the trigger. That being the case, certainly recoil of the entire rifle is slower than the bolt is cycling in the weapon. The M16 (full auto military version of the AR-15) has a cycle rate of 750-900rpm. If the FA version will go 700-950, the bumpstock version will be somewhat slower. Also, bump stocks require user input and two hands. Most that I have seen have a hard time running through a full 30-round mag without a hiccup stopping the procession, and have to start again. More weight to move (ie, that 100round magazine/drum) means slower and less reliable bump operation. The liklihood of someone getting through an entire 100 round mag/drum without stopping, using a bump stock is very low IMO. Semi-auto fire can be much faster than 45-60 as well.

45-60 rounds per minute? HA check out this video of Travis Haley, 14 rounds in 1.99 seconds. Pretty soon they are going to ban his trigger finger.

[video=youtube;SFivB9JJYvk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFivB9JJYvk[/video]

 

[Icky]

45-60 rounds per minute? HA check out this video of Travis Haley, 14 rounds in 1.99 seconds. Pretty soon they are going to ban his trigger finger.

[video=youtube;SFivB9JJYvk]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFivB9JJYvk[/video]

I'm sure that ssa trigger had something to do with it as well

 

[ArizonaKevin]

I'm sure that ssa trigger had something to do with it as well

[video=youtube;9hXV-Buvs1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXV-Buvs1Y[/video]

heres another one 15 rounds on 3 separate targets in 2.14 seconds.

 

[500bbc]

I was thinking maybe something like that too but maybe live streaming this shit to one of those underground sicko websites where people film themselves committing suicide and shit, I dunno.

Or response time and tactics.

 

[Icky]

[video=youtube;9hXV-Buvs1Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXV-Buvs1Y[/video]

heres another one 15 rounds on 3 separate targets in 2.14 seconds.

Nice, just hope the media doesn't see that. They'll think anyone can do that for 10-15 min straight:rolleyes

 

[Devilman]

The bump stocks allow a user to use recoil to reset the trigger. That being the case, certainly recoil of the entire rifle is slower than the bolt is cycling in the weapon. The M16 (full auto military version of the AR-15) has a cycle rate of 750-900rpm. If the FA version will go 700-950, the bumpstock version will be somewhat slower. Also, bump stocks require user input and two hands. Most that I have seen have a hard time running through a full 30-round mag without a hiccup stopping the procession, and have to start again. More weight to move (ie, that 100round magazine/drum) means slower and less reliable bump operation. The liklihood of someone getting through an entire 100 round mag/drum without stopping, using a bump stock is very low IMO. Semi-auto fire can be much faster than 45-60 as well.

So basically, who ever it was that was speaking from Feinstein's office on the matter, was for the most part, talking out of their ass in an effort to make a bigger impact with their statement. Imagine that, lol. :rolleyes

Thanks for the clarification. :thumbsup :cool

 

[RGH'sBaba]

NRA calls for ATF review of bump stocks, new regulations after Las Vegas shooting

Once again the lowlife NRA shows its true colors. Bunch of Lay Down Sally collaborators.
No new regulations. Not now, not ever.

 

[STV_Keith]

So basically, who ever it was that was speaking from Feinstein's office on the matter, was for the most part, talking out of their ass in an effort to make a bigger impact with their statement. Imagine that, lol. :rolleyes

Thanks for the clarification. :thumbsup :cool

I wouldn't imagine ANYONE in Feinsteins office would know anything about anything firearm related. There really should be some kind of test. You want to propose a bill, you take a 25 question test about the subject of the bill (in this case firearms). Miss any, you can't submit the bill.

 

[probablecause]

Once again the lowlife NRA shows its true colors. Bunch of Lay Down Sally collaborators.
No new regulations. Not now, not ever.

Or maybe it is just a strategic chess move. Bump-stocks are expendable in the grand scheme of things.

 

[milkmoney]

I heard today that bump stocks were voted in or made legal in 2010, Obama administration
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[ArizonaKevin]

in 2010 the ATF reviewed bump stocks to question their legality but decided that they are within the law.

A friend of mine put it well, find a compromise on our terms so they don't put through legislation on their terms.

I would happily trade bump stocks for suppressors as long as it would appease them for at least 10 more years.

 

[pronstar]

Hate to say it...but IMHO bump stocks are lame.
If that's the only freedom we lose from this, I'm ok with that.

 

[500bbc]

The bump stocks allow a user to use recoil to reset the trigger. That being the case, certainly recoil of the entire rifle is slower than the bolt is cycling in the weapon. The M16 (full auto military version of the AR-15) has a cycle rate of 750-900rpm. If the FA version will go 700-950, the bumpstock version will be somewhat slower. Also, bump stocks require user input and two hands. Most that I have seen have a hard time running through a full 30-round mag without a hiccup stopping the procession, and have to start again. More weight to move (ie, that 100round magazine/drum) means slower and less reliable bump operation. The liklihood of someone getting through an entire 100 round mag/drum without stopping, using a bump stock is very low IMO. Semi-auto fire can be much faster than 45-60 as well.

Thought the same thing until I found a couple of videos of bump stocks operating at a very high cyclic rate running through 100 round mags.

 

[WhatExit?]

Hate to say it...but IMHO bump stocks are lame.
If that's the only freedom we lose from this, I'm ok with that.

Agreed but this is politics and if we give them an inch they'll take a mile. Giving up bump stocks has to be part of a deal.

So we need to give them bump stocks and they have to move to Switzerland

 

[RiverDave]

Once again the lowlife NRA shows its true colors. Bunch of Lay Down Sally collaborators.
No new regulations. Not now, not ever.

I disagree with that at all.. As much as I'd hate any new regulations, and would prefer deregulation... There's gonna be a ton of public outcry over this. There's some pretty staunch conservatives that are flipping their scripts right now.. I'd guess in many districts a lot are just trying to keep their jobs.

This stupid device has virtually no bearing on anything other than it's a novelty.. I think they made a wise move to make it the sacrificial lamb as it were, and keep the focus off the black guns. Logic is out the window in the country anymore. So sometimes you gotta give a little to get a little.

That said anyone know where I can buy a couple of these things before they get outlawed?

RD

 

[Meaney77]

[video=youtube_https;fwDZ8uhqJg0]https://youtu.be/fwDZ8uhqJg0[/video]

 

[RGH'sBaba]

I disagree with that at all.. As much as I'd hate any new regulations, and would prefer deregulation... There's gonna be a ton of public outcry over this. There's some pretty staunch conservatives that are flipping their scripts right now.. I'd guess in many districts a lot are just trying to keep their jobs.

This stupid device has virtually no bearing on anything other than it's a novelty.. I think they made a wise move to make it the sacrificial lamb as it were, and keep the focus off the black guns. Logic is out the window in the country anymore. So sometimes you gotta give a little to get a little.

That said anyone know where I can buy a couple of these things before they get outlawed?

RD

The idea that banning these inconsequential items is just the kinda knee-jerk bullshit the libtard enemy loves. Nickle and dime us into submission.
These stocks are as simple as can be. Anyone that is remotely handy can make something that will work the same. The genie is outta the bottle.
ATF had no choice but to ok the bump stock because by definition it DOES NOT convert semi to full auto. Allowing these traitorous swine to redefine shit on a whim can and will come back to screw us.
This attack was (allegedly) carried out by a man, not a gun or gun part. Until the traitors find a way to effectively legislate morality there will always be these statistically rare incidents. Punishing the 99.99% for the actions of the .01% is complete and utter bullshit and I personally will not comply.

 

[RiverDave]

The idea that banning these inconsequential items is just the kinda knee-jerk bullshit the libtard enemy loves. Nickle and dime us into submission.
These stocks are as simple as can be. Anyone that is remotely handy can make something that will work the same. The genie is outta the bottle.
ATF had no choice but to ok the bump stock because by definition it DOES NOT convert semi to full auto. Allowing these traitorous swine to redefine shit on a whim can and will come back to screw us.
This attack was (allegedly) carried out by a man, not a gun or gun part. Until the traitors find a way to effectively legislate morality there will always be these statistically rare incidents. Punishing the 99.99% for the actions of the .01% is complete and utter bullshit and I personally will not comply.

I agree 100%.. Go explain that to America right now that is watching videos of what they believe to be "machine guns." Go explain that to America when they are being told it's one shooter when most think it's more than 1 because of the echoes.. Sometimes being right doesn't matter. That's a tough pill to swallow and believe me I'm with you 100%. At this point with the videos and public opinion..

Well like everyone always says "A person is smart. People are dumb."

I just don't think there's any overcoming the landslide heading this direction.. I think the NRA sacrificed the outhouse to save the farm.

RD

 

[Old Texan]

It's awfully hard to convince citizens the government isn't up to no good when incidents like Fast and Furious get stonewalled by the Justice Department, and nothing is clarified or brought to light with answers.

The gun control advocates in and out of government are too ignorant about guns and responsible ownership to allow a reasonable decision. Nor can they accept guns are just an option from a long list and they can't wrap their minds around the human factor as the problem. If outlawing a useless device quells their rhetoric, do it. They are ignorant to understand villains will find a tool to commit their crimes and atrocities. Throw them a bone and let them walk away and stfu......

 

[500bbc]

Small world...
I get a text last night with a good friend of mine's wife and two guys at his sisters house, one guy is his cousin the other is Paddock.:eek
He was their accountant in the 80's and a family friend. Said he was a great, funny, generous guy.

Yes, the FBI has been notified.

 

[c_land]

His brother is a nut case. Thinking he may need a lawyer after this interview.

[video=youtube;YekjCBcE5Rc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YekjCBcE5Rc[/video]

[video=youtube_https;wtFsN9mlVHg]https://youtu.be/wtFsN9mlVHg[/video]


I cant find this in the full interview for context. Army of one?

 

[Taboma]

Small world...
I get a text last night with a good friend of mine's wife and two guys at his sisters house, one guy is his cousin the other is Paddock.:eek
He was their accountant in the 80's and a family friend. Said he was a great, funny, generous guy.

Yes, the FBI has been notified.

So Paddock is at your friend's sister's house and not dead :headscratch:

 

[pixrthis]

[video=youtube_https;wtFsN9mlVHg]https://youtu.be/wtFsN9mlVHg[/video]


I cant find this in the full interview for context. Army of one?

I watched it live and felt for the guy because he was answering questions not long after he found out about it. He obviously didn't have many details and was still digesting the news, it would of been more strange if he came out with a prepared statement that soon.

 

[Old Texan]

Small world...
I get a text last night with a good friend of mine's wife and two guys at his sisters house, one guy is his cousin the other is Paddock.:eek
He was their accountant in the 80's and a family friend. Said he was a great, funny, generous guy.

Yes, the FBI has been notified.

Do they live up on a hill overlooking public venues with lotsa folks milling around? Don't let that bastard out on the deck with a large duffel!!!!!!!:yikes

 

[Flying_Lavey]

[video=youtube_https;wtFsN9mlVHg]https://youtu.be/wtFsN9mlVHg[/video]


I cant find this in the full interview for context. Army of one?

I watched most of it. It's posted further up in this thread. It's pretty obvious to me he was gonna say "Army of 1" but stopped himself cause he realized how bad that would sound.

 

[Icky]

So Paddock is at your friend's sister's house and not dead :headscratch:

That confused me too

 

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[Mr. C]

It is an awesome thing that this man has done.
RIP BRENNAN
https://www.facebook.com/humansofLV...8643954964116/826299550865218/?type=3&theater

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[500bbc]

Do they live up on a hill overlooking public venues with lotsa folks milling around? Don't let that bastard out on the deck with a large duffel!!!!!!!:yikes

He's ok now that he smoked it.
Why don't those fucks smoke it before they kill innocents?

 

[500bbc]

So Paddock is at your friend's sister's house and not dead :headscratch:

The picture is from 40 years ago. They were friends and he was their accountant, came to all their get togethers, kids birthdays etc.

Looks exactly like him, no doubt at all.

 

[Taboma]

The picture is from 40 years ago. They were friends and he was their accountant, came to all their get togethers, kids birthdays etc.

Looks exactly like him, no doubt at all.

Sorry, misunderstood the timing, I didn't see any picture with your post.

 

[RitcheyRch]

This would have made it easier to see where the shots were coming from

http://ktla.com/2017/10/06/las-vega...-tracer-rounds-before-massacre-official-says/

 

[RiverDave]

This would have made it easier to see where the shots were coming from

http://ktla.com/2017/10/06/las-vega...-tracer-rounds-before-massacre-official-says/

Pretty sure from how far away he was he was just spraying back and forth and not really sure what he was hitting. If he had Tracers I would think the casualties would be higher because he could watch the trail of the bullet and adjust accordingly.

RD

 

[4Waters]

He shot and punctured a jet fuel storage tank on airport grounds, depending on how empty the fuel storage container was a tracer round could have lit that off.

 

[RitcheyRch]

Good point

Pretty sure from how far away he was he was just spraying back and forth and not really sure what he was hitting. If he had Tracers I would think the casualties would be higher because he could watch the trail of the bullet and adjust accordingly.

RD

 

[Old Texan]

The article again mentioned the jerk had the intent of escaping. It's till my personal theory that like any coward the actual act of terror blew his mind on the realization, he saw the guard and LE in the hallway, shot the door out and did what cowards do when reality of them being caught in the act hits them head on, killed himself......If only we could figure out how to spot these mad bastards and program them to kill themselves first.:grumble:

 

[PrimeCut]

Sorry to keep sharing, just kind of helps me, to share Brennan's name/stories/photos, to show that we are strong and together more than ever now. Evil will not win

Today his cross is getting lots of love

 

[RiverDave]

Reports that this guy indeed had a helper are coming out. Someone used his room key while the car was out of valet, and there was something else As well.

 

[Flying_Lavey]

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Sorry to keep sharing, just kind of helps me, to share Brennan's name/stories/photos, to show that we are strong and together more than ever now. Evil will not win

Today his cross is getting lots of love

Don't apologize and don't even have a second thought about sharing as much as you'd like! RDP can be great therapy!

 

[500bbc]

Reports that this guy indeed had a helper are coming out. Someone used his room key while the car was out of valet, and there was something else As well.

At least two shooters...

 

[buck35]

Reports that this guy indeed had a helper are coming out. Someone used his room key while the car was out of valet, and there was something else As well.

Speak up dude! To much not being said on this catastrophe.:grumble:

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Reports that this guy indeed had a helper are coming out. Someone used his room key while the car was out of valet, and there was something else As well.

Probably the hooker..

 

[dryhoze1]

Probably the hooker..

I agree.
The hallway video will eventually surface

 

[SoCalDave]

I pray that 58 beautiful souls who started off at a Jason Andean concert woke up to the most awesome Tom Petty concert.

 

[Meaney77]

Reports that this guy indeed had a helper are coming out. Someone used his room key while the car was out of valet, and there was something else As well.

Maybe a gun deal gone bad...?

 

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[RiverDiva]

The other thing they found was a phone charger plugged in that didn't fit any of the shooters electronics.

 

[Old Texan]

https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...paddock-was-not-alone-in-hotel-room/23235474/

Investigators are looking into two key pieces of evidence that seem to suggest that Las Vegas shooter Stephen Paddock was not entirely alone in his Mandalay Bay hotel room.

Senior law enforcement officials told NBC News that they have made two discoveries in Paddock's 32nd-floor hotel room that they currently cannot explain.

The first is a cell phone charger that does not match any of the devices that belonged to the gunman.

The second is a hotel record showing that one of Paddock's key cards was used to access his room while his car was outside of the hotel's parking garage.

 

[Waffles]

Maybe a gun deal gone bad...?

This is my thought exactly.