Route 91 shooting in las Vegas

[pronstar]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...as-vegas-massacre-denies-liability/791511002/

MGM Resorts International, owner of the Las Vegas hotel from which Stephen Paddock fatally shot 58 people and wounded hundreds more at an outdoor concert, has filed suit against hundreds of the victims claiming the entertainment giant has "no liability of any kind."

They should sue God because he let the shooter live on the Earth.


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[comfortably numb]

It's so easy to file a suit against someone these day. Fuckin scum lawyers chasing everything that moves now days.

 

[gmnhra]

Bottom line....
For those of us that were there and/or with friends/family that were there, the sights, sounds, and physical/mental pain will not go away for along time.
Jumping on a class action law suit to only result in lawyers getting rich...that will never happen for me...
Trying to assign blame for what was most likely one deranged individual is not going to change what happened or in all likelihood prevent other forms of evil from creating mass havoc.
Do I believe it was just this one guy...no...but we will never know, so pursuit of a different answer is insanity.
Was MGM liable...no...but hopefully some new protocols and security plans will be a result...hopefully not full airport scanning to get into and out of every public place.

A sad comment on todays world but that experience has made me ever so more vigil about my surroundings in public places. I assess every exit, every venue for vulnerable security, every shady looking character....
just the way life is now....

 

[RiverDave]

A sad comment on todays world but that experience has made me ever so more vigil about my surroundings in public places. I assess every exit, every venue for vulnerable security, every shady looking character....
just the way life is now....

Interesting comment. I was watching some training videos the other day (guns) and the guy was talking about American's and how complacent they are with their surroundings in modern times.. and basically how the world can be an unforgiving bitch when she wants to be so it's better to be prepared for it. I got lost down a long rabbit hole of thought on that..

RD

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Interesting comment. I was watching some training videos the other day (guns) and the guy was talking about American's and how complacent they are with their surroundings in modern times.. and basically how the world can be an unforgiving bitch when she wants to be so it's better to be prepared for it. I got lost down a long rabbit hole of thought on that..

RD

There's a fine line to be walked with being prepared and aware of your surroundings, and worrying about things that are completely out of your control.

That is why this particular shooting really messed me up because there was so much going on out of my control. I can't make a 500yd shot with a handgun. In response to this shooting, I have added some more medical gear to my daily carry (extra TQ and hemostatic clotting agent) to maybe keep me or one of my loved ones alive for a little bit longer if something goes down. However, you have to understand that, when it's your day it's your day.

 

[RiverDave]

There's a fine line to be walked with being prepared and aware of your surroundings, and worrying about things that are completely out of your control.

That is why this particular shooting really messed me up because there was so much going on out of my control. I can't make a 500yd shot with a handgun. In response to this shooting, I have added some more medical gear to my daily carry (extra TQ and hemostatic clotting agent) to maybe keep me or one of my loved ones alive for a little bit longer if something goes down. However, you have to understand that, when it's your day it's your day.

You are way more prepped then I am.. you carry this stuff in your car? Or on your person?

 

[rrrr]

After dozens of lawsuits were filed against them by survivors and victims' families, a federal court ruled that American and United Airlines had no liability with regards to their aircraft being hijacked and used in a crime on 9/11.

Like it or not, there is that case law and post 9/11 federal laws which could result in MGM being found free of liability for the attacks.

The "outrage" claimed in the linked article is because the American Way of suing those with deep pockets could be subverted.

 

[probablecause]

I am sorry for the loss of life but the Hotel had nothing to do with it. Just a money grab.

 

[WhatExit?]

Good news, the final report is in. And, no surprise, there's no motive or much anything new...

Vegas gunman Stephen Paddock was 'unable to perform' and sex exhausted him, final police report says

By NANCY DILLON
| NEW YORK DAILY NEWS |
AUG 03, 2018 | 4:30 PM

New details have emerged on the Stephen Paddock, the Las Vegas massacre shooter. (John Raoux/Ap)




The final police report on last year’s Las Vegas shooting massacre opened a new window Friday into the increasingly erratic private life gunman Stephen Paddock shared with girlfriend Marilou Danley.

While a January report previously revealed Paddock was “germaphobic,” emotionally “distant” and had hundreds of images of child pornography stored on one of his hard drives, the new report detailed much more of what Danley told investigators during multiple interviews after the Oct. 1 rampage.

The revelations paint Paddock as an increasingly controlling, progressively platonic loner who disparaged Danley’s religious faith and “often wore cotton gloves” as part of his aversion to human contact.

Danley, who immigrated to the U.S. from the Philippines in the late 1980s, said she shacked up with the poker-playing Paddock in 2013 after working as a high-limit hostess in a Reno casino.


She said Paddock convinced her to leave her job in 2015 so she could accompany him on trips to destinations including the Mediterranean, the Bahamas and Dubai.

“Danley described her relationship with Paddock as very romantic in the beginning, however, she noticed a gradual decline in affection. According to him, it was due to his declining health,” the report released Friday said.

The girlfriend told investigators Paddock became increasing removed from her physically and that all “hugging and kissing” eventually ceased despite her requests for affection.

Marilou Danley, the live-in girlfriend of Paddock. (AFP/Getty Images)

“Danley stated Paddock was no longer able to have an intimate relationship because he was unable to perform. Danley told investigators Paddock was physiologically able to have sex, but the physical act would exhaust him,” the report released Friday by Las Vegas Metropolitan Police and the Clark County Sherriff said.

Danley said Paddock was “never violent,” but that he ordered her to stop wearing lipstick and perfume, claiming he had a chemical imbalance that caused bad headaches from chemical smells.

According to Danley, Paddock described himself as an atheist and often said things like, “Your God doesn’t love me,” or “Your God doesn’t love us.”

A practicing Catholic, Danley said she would often make the sign of the cross only to have Paddock later ridicule the gesture.

She told investigators Paddock wasn’t intensely political but expressed a dislike for the Obama administration and was happy when President Trump was elected, according to the report.

“Paddock told her he believed President Trump would do something to stop illegal immigration,” the report said.

Danley told investigators she observed a sharp increase in Paddock’s gun-related purchases after he retrieved a safe from another house he owned in 2016.

Packages began arriving at their residence frequently, and Paddock would open the packages in the garage, she reportedly said.

She recalled helping Paddock load magazines and set up long-distance targets for shooting practice.

Danley also described Paddock’s strange behavior when they visited the Mandalay Bay in September 2017, according to the report.

“They were staying in Room 60-235, and she observed Paddock constantly looking out the windows of the room which overlooked the Las Vegas Village venue. Paddock would move from window to window looking at the site from different angles,” the report said.

Danley said Paddock instructed her to visit her relatives in the Philippines later that month, and she was in Manila when Paddock carried out his vile attack.

Before the bloodshed, Paddock completed three separate wire transfers to Danley’s account totaling $150,000, the report said.

Danley told investigators she interpreted Paddock’s bizarre behavior as indications he wanted to break up with her – not warning sings he was planning a mass shooting.

Elsewhere in the report, police said one of Paddock’s brothers claimed the gunman had a “mental illness and was paranoid and delusional.”

A doctor believed Paddock may have had bipolar disorder, the document said, echoing the revelation first included in the January report.

Paddock's mother, Irene Hudson, expressed shock over her son’s evil actions and said she believed he "must have developed some type of 'brain tumor,'" the report said.

Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo confirmed Friday that no charges are expected to be filed against anyone in connection with Paddock’s rampage, including Danley.

He said local police now consider the case closed, barring any new information. He admitted investigators still don’t know “definitively” why Paddock opened fire from his suite at the Mandalay Bay last Oct. 1, killing 58 people and wounding more than 500.

Paddock, 64, unleashed his hail of bullets from the 32nd-floor suite onto the crowd attending the Route 91 Harvest Festival below.

As cops closed in, Paddock put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger.

The once-wealthy real estate investor had toted to his room an arsenal of assault-style weapons and ammunition, including armor-piercing bullets.

Authorities previously said he fired more than a thousand shots on the country music concertgoers.

Paddock maximized the lethality of his attack using a bump stock, a device that converts semi-automatic rifles into near-full automatic weapons.

 

[Waffles]

Said from the beginning, Paddock was an undercover gun runner and they were doing a fast and furious type sting operation with ISIS operatives, the ISIS operatives sabotaged it, killed Paddock, and committed a terror act. They even took credit, and their confirmation when they take credit historically is about 96% (they even put it in their propaganda newsletter)...Paddock I thought was C_A, so if his gf was FBI, it would make sense. They were on a covert operation probably wiring money and selling guns in the middle east and Phillipines, but ISIS probably discovered his undercover identity and took him out. Something along those lines...Of course he could have just been FBI, too, not C_A. They can't reveal sources and methods bc other human assets were still undercover.




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[Riverbound]

Said from the beginning, Paddock was an undercover gun runner and they were doing a fast and furious type sting operation with ISIS operatives, the ISIS operatives sabotaged it, killed Paddock, and committed a terror act. They even took credit, and their confirmation when they take credit historically is about 96% (they even put it in their propaganda newsletter)...Paddock I thought was C_A, so if his gf was FBI, it would make sense. They were on a covert operation probably wiring money and selling guns in the middle east and Phillipines, but ISIS probably discovered his undercover identity and took him out. Something along those lines...Of course he could have just been FBI, too, not C_A. They can't reveal sources and methods bc other human assets were still undercover.




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These were my thoughts as well and the most logical of all reasons why this happened.


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[OldSchoolBoats]

Said from the beginning, Paddock was an undercover gun runner and they were doing a fast and furious type sting operation with ISIS operatives, the ISIS operatives sabotaged it, killed Paddock, and committed a terror act. They even took credit, and their confirmation when they take credit historically is about 96% (they even put it in their propaganda newsletter)...Paddock I thought was C_A, so if his gf was FBI, it would make sense. They were on a covert operation probably wiring money and selling guns in the middle east and Phillipines, but ISIS probably discovered his undercover identity and took him out. Something along those lines...Of course he could have just been FBI, too, not C_A. They can't reveal sources and methods bc other human assets were still undercover.




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Yep. Agreed.

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[sintax]

These were my thoughts as well and the most logical of all reasons why this happened.


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Its really the only thing that makes sense to me as well. All of the other nonsense just does not hold water.

 

[RitcheyRch]

My thoughts as well. Plus makes sense why we never really heard many of the details surrounding the investigation.

Its really the only thing that makes sense to me as well. All of the other nonsense just does not hold water.

 

[Ziggy]

The Conspiracy theories will never go away.

 

[was thatguy]

The public’s refusal to believe covert operations exist, and the resulting labeling as “conspiracy theories” will never go away.

 

[dribble]

The public’s refusal to believe covert operations exist, and the resulting labeling as “conspiracy theories” will never go away.

They'll go away for me as soon as someone can explain two things to me:

(1) Why? To achieve what?

(2) How dozens or even hundreds of people within a (presumably) organization can have knowledge of such a plan plan but keep quiet about it knowing innocent people including children will die a horrible, untimely death. People with families of their own.

I just don't understand why the concept of a single lunatic with several weapons and a means to do it is such a far fetched idea to some people.

 

[was thatguy]

They'll go away for me as soon as someone can explain two things to me:

(1) Why? To achieve what?

(2) How dozens or even hundreds of people within a (presumably) organization can have knowledge of such a plan plan but keep quiet about it knowing innocent people including children will die a horrible, untimely death. People with families of their own.

I just don't understand why the concept of a single lunatic with several weapons and a means to do it is such a far fetched idea to some people.

It’s not far fetched, and it might be as simple as that.
But it’s a mistake to think that it cant possibly run deeper, imo.

Edit: As a general rule, and not necessarily applicable to the Vegas massacre...Secrets are easy to keep when the stakes are high. It’s a mistake to assume that the players at that level posses empathy like us “normal” people. Collateral damage to achieve a goal, whether material or cover perception, is the norm. False flags and provocations are good tools.
If you want gun control, create events and reasons to promote that...include as many women and kids as possible for a strong effect.
If you want a proxy war on this group or that group, create a retaliatory situation between them and an opposition covertly.
This is how our clandestine agencies operate, under orders from the politicians...sometimes with opposing orders from different political entities.
Their biggest job is cloaking it all from us...not that they really care except at election time.
Any underling that does not posses a get out of jail free card is an amateur. Ollie North was no amateur, for example.

The Manhattan project peaked at 125,000 employees, cumulative is around 600,000 people. Their little secret project killed a minimum of 130,000 people in a split second.

 

[was thatguy]

The 9/11 attacks were what, 3 years in planning?
19 hijackers died in those attacks. They were in this Country for about 2 years being trained by us to fly.
They made American friends and aquatintces during that time.
The planning and execution of the attack likely involved hundreds of people globally, with finance sources involved world wide...even from right here in the States.
Yet not one said a word, not one told the secret, and not one felt sorry for the innocent dead.

 

[Sandlord]

The 9/11 attacks were what, 3 years in planning?
19 hijackers died in those attacks. They were in this Country for about 2 years being trained by us to fly.
They made American friends and aquatintces during that time.
The planning and execution of the attack likely involved hundreds of people globally, with finance sources involved world wide...even from right here in the States.
Yet not one said a word, not one told the secret, and not one felt sorry for the innocent dead.

and 17 years later we still dont know all the details

 

[02HoWaRd26]

and 17 years later we still dont know all the details

And just like this catastrophe, we peasants never will know.

 

[was thatguy]

And just like this catastrophe, we peasants never will know.

Probably not.
And no matter what the truth is, we will never find logic in it and the families will never find comfort or closure for their lost loved ones.

Whether it was one nut job, or a plot, the question “why” can never be reconciled.

 

[Waffles]

and 17 years later we still dont know all the details

We do know that jet fuel melts steel beams at the base though......

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[was thatguy]

We do know that jet fuel melts steel beams at the base though......

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From an engineering standpoint, the higher the planes hit, the more likely a collapse.

 

[Waffles]

From an engineering standpoint, the higher the planes hit, the more likely a collapse.

I'm talking about the beams that melted at the base. The ones that people swore up and down, melted due to the energy that traveled from the top to the bottom. The same people refuse to belive that their own government would kill innocent civilians to further their agenda.

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[MSum661]

They'll go away for me as soon as someone can explain two things to me:

(1) Why? To achieve what?

(2) How dozens or even hundreds of people within a (presumably) organization can have knowledge of such a plan plan but keep quiet about it knowing innocent people including children will die a horrible, untimely death. People with families of their own.

I just don't understand why the concept of a single lunatic with several weapons and a means to do it is such a far fetched idea to some people.

The entire investigation was botched from the very start.
Tampered wireless feed camera's, the injured security who fled to Mexico, then came back for the elen degen. show, etc., etc., etc.
Who in their right mind would put FBI as place of employment on a credit report? That alone is off the wall.
Run the 310 number on the credit app. Puts the location in El Segundo. Directly next to LAX.

 

[sirbob]

Las Vegas shooting survivor becomes a cop 10 months after massacre

https://dailym.ai/2odnmEJ

 

[02HoWaRd26]

I'm talking about the beams that melted at the base. The ones that people swore up and down, melted due to the energy that traveled from the top to the bottom. The same people refuse to belive that their own government would kill innocent civilians to further their agenda. View attachment 676826

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Those angles aren’t cute it’s just an optical illusion, the building wasn’t actually still sitting at level after the impact thus causing the fuel to run down the building but at a slight angle, the metal then continued to melt at the same angle as a breeze was also channeling through that lower section.......

 

[Icky]

And that's what caused the 3 precision drops of those buildings?

Those angles aren’t cute it’s just an optical illusion, the building wasn’t actually still sitting at level after the impact thus causing the fuel to run down the building but at a slight angle, the metal then continued to melt at the same angle as a breeze was also channeling through that lower section.......

 

[probablecause]

And that's what caused the 3 precision drops of those buildings?

Radical Muslims!

 

[02HoWaRd26]

And that's what caused the 3 precision drops of those buildings?

Yes the molten lava heat went through the tunnel to building 5, was so extremely hot it didn’t even have smoke or flames, but was so hot it ran through the infrastructure and toppled it in the same fashion.

Radical Muslims!

No they weren’t Muslims they were just al queda

 

[WhatExit?]

No surprise here...

FBI finds no specific motive in Vegas shooting
By KEN RITTER and MICHAEL BALSAMO

The FBI has concluded its investigation into the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history without determining a motive. The FBI makes the conclusion in a report given to The Associated Press on Tuesday, Jan. 29, 2019. After nearly 16 months, the agency says it can't determine why gunman Stephen Paddock killed 58 people and injured nearly 900 others in October 2017.

LAS VEGAS (AP) — A high-stakes gambler who rained a hail of gunfire down on a crowd of country music fans, killing 58, took any specific motive for the 2017 attack to his grave, the FBI said Tuesday as it concluded the investigation into the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history.

The agency found no “single or clear motivating factor” to explain why Stephen Paddock opened fire from his suite in a high-rise casino hotel. The 64-year-old, who acted alone, fatally shot himself as police closed in.

“It wasn’t about MGM, Mandalay Bay or a specific casino or venue,” Aaron Rouse, the agent in charge of the FBI’s Las Vegas office, told The Associated Press. “It was all about doing the maximum amount of damage and him obtaining some form of infamy.”

The finding was contained in a long-awaited report compiled by the FBI’s Behavior Analysis Unit, a group of experts who spent months examining several factors that might have led to the rampage.

“This report comes as close to understanding the why as we’re ever going to get,” Rouse said.

Almost 900 people were hurt during the Oct. 1, 2017, attack on an outdoor concert.

Paddock wanted to die in infamy, inspired in part by his father’s reputation as a bank robber who was once on the FBI’s most wanted list, the report said. In many ways, he was similar to other active shooters the FBI has studied — motivated by a complex merging of development issues, stress and interpersonal relationships.

His “decision to murder people while they were being entertained was consistent with his personality,” the report said.

The gunman was not directed or inspired by any group and was not seeking to further any agenda. He did not leave a manifesto or suicide note, and federal agents believe he had planned to fatally shoot himself after the attack, according to the report.

Paddock was a retired postal service worker, accountant and real estate investor who owned rental properties and homes in Reno and in a retirement community more than an hour’s drive from Las Vegas. He also held a private pilot’s license and liked to gamble tens of thousands of dollars at a time playing high-stakes video poker.

His younger brother, Eric Paddock, called him the “king of microaggression” — narcissistic, detail-oriented and maybe bored enough with life to plan an attack that would make him famous. His ex-wife told investigators that he grew up with a single mom in a financially unstable home and he felt a need to be self-reliant.

Police characterized him as a loner with no religious or political affiliations who began stockpiling weapons about a year before the attack. He spent more than $1.5 million in the two years before the shooting and distanced himself from his girlfriend and family.

He sent his girlfriend, Marilou Danley, to visit her family in the Philippines two weeks before the attack and wired her $150,000 while she was there. Danley, a former casino worker in Reno, returned to the U.S. after the shooting and told authorities that Paddock had complained that he was sick and that doctors told him he had a “chemical imbalance” and could not cure him.

Danley, who is Catholic, told investigators that Paddock often told her, “Your God doesn’t love me.”

A Reno car salesman told police that in the months before the shooting Paddock told him he was depressed and had relationship troubles. Paddock’s doctor offered him antidepressants, but told investigators that Paddock would only accept a prescription for anxiety medication.

Paddock’s gambling habits made him a sought-after casino patron. Mandalay Bay employees readily let him use a service elevator to take multiple suitcases to the $590-per-night suite he had been provided for free. Authorities said he asked for the room, which had a commanding view of the Strip and the Route 91 Harvest Festival concert grounds across the street.

The night of the massacre, Paddock used assault-style rifles to fire more than 1,000 rounds in 11 minutes into the crowd of 22,000 music fans. Most of the rifles were fitted with rapid-fire “bump stock” devices and high-capacity magazines. Some had bipod braces and scopes. Authorities said Paddock’s guns had been legally purchased.

Las Vegas police closed their investigation last August, and Clark County Sheriff Joe Lombardo declared the police work complete after hundreds of interviews and thousands of hours of investigative work. Lombardo vowed never to speak Paddock’s name again in public. A Las Vegas police spokesman declined to comment on the FBI’s report.

A separate report made public in August involving the Federal Emergency Management Agency found that communications were snarled during and after the shooting. It said police, fire and medical responders were overwhelmed by 911 calls, false reports of other shootings at Las Vegas casinos and the number of victims.

Hotel security video and police body camera recordings made public in a public-records lawsuit filed by media organizations including the AP showed police using explosives to blast through the door of the 32nd-floor hotel suite where Paddock was found dead.

He left behind nothing that offered an explanation.

“He acted alone. He committed a heinous act. He died by his own hand,” Rouse said. “If he wanted to leave a message, he would have left a message. Bottom line is he didn’t want people to know.”

 

[WhatExit?]

Of course the liberal media has their anti-gun bandwagon all revved up...

The guns killed them!

We don’t know the motive for the Las Vegas shooting. But we do know why it happened.
It’s the guns. The guns are the problem.
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/29/18202358/las-vegas-mass-shooting-motive-fbi

 

[Sandlord]

Maybe they can get harsh sentencing for Doug.
Arizona man wants no mention of Vegas shooting in ammo case.
LAS VEGAS (AP) - An Arizona aerospace engineer wants to prevent a federal jury from hearing references to the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history in his upcoming trial on charges that he illegally manufactured ammunition found in the shooter's Las Vegas Strip hotel suite.

Douglas Haig's defense attorney, Marc Victor, says in court filings Monday that referring to the Oct. 1, 2017, shooting improperly confuses issues and will mislead a jury to unfairly link his client with the massacre.Haig isn't charged in the shooting but prosecutors refer in court documents to the massacre.Authorities say shooter Stephen Paddock shot himself dead after killing 58 people and injuring hundreds at an open-air concert.
Haig has pleaded not guilty to illegally making unfired bullets found with his fingerprints on them in Paddock's room.His trial is scheduled March 11.

 

[RiverDave]

Maybe they can get harsh sentencing for Doug.
Arizona man wants no mention of Vegas shooting in ammo case.
LAS VEGAS (AP) - An Arizona aerospace engineer wants to prevent a federal jury from hearing references to the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history in his upcoming trial on charges that he illegally manufactured ammunition found in the shooter's Las Vegas Strip hotel suite.

Douglas Haig's defense attorney, Marc Victor, says in court filings Monday that referring to the Oct. 1, 2017, shooting improperly confuses issues and will mislead a jury to unfairly link his client with the massacre.Haig isn't charged in the shooting but prosecutors refer in court documents to the massacre.Authorities say shooter Stephen Paddock shot himself dead after killing 58 people and injuring hundreds at an open-air concert.
Haig has pleaded not guilty to illegally making unfired bullets found with his fingerprints on them in Paddock's room.His trial is scheduled March 11.

I don't understand why there is even charges filed agains that guy.. All he did was sell the guy ammunition? Pretty slippery slope if you start going down that path..

RD

 

[RiverDave]

As far as all of this.. If you don't think we are being lied to you aren't paying attention.

They originally said the guy was a "winning gambler." When the Sheriff gave their press conferences he actually had the balls to say the guy primarily played "Video Poker" of all things.. LOL.

I told Stacy right after they said that "Watch they are gonna say this rich guy all of a sudden has a ton of gambling debt." Sure as shit..

What actually happened there? Don't know, but I can tell you for a fact a whole ton of shit is being covered up. We haven't even seen the breach video, etc..

RD

 

[OutCole'd]

Only thing for sure is we are being lied to and will never know what really happened.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

Didn't know he was a former postal worker. It's all starting to make sense now...

 

[WhatExit?]

As far as all of this.. If you don't think we are being lied to you aren't paying attention.

They originally said the guy was a "winning gambler." When the Sheriff gave their press conferences he actually had the balls to say the guy primarily played "Video Poker" of all things.. LOL.

I told Stacy right after they said that "Watch they are gonna say this rich guy all of a sudden has a ton of gambling debt." Sure as shit..

What actually happened there? Don't know, but I can tell you for a fact a whole ton of shit is being covered up. We haven't even seen the breach video, etc..

RD

Only thing for sure is we are being lied to and will never know what really happened.

 

[Sandlord]

As far as all of this.. If you don't think we are being lied to you aren't paying attention.

They originally said the guy was a "winning gambler." When the Sheriff gave their press conferences he actually had the balls to say the guy primarily played "Video Poker" of all things.. LOL.

I told Stacy right after they said that "Watch they are gonna say this rich guy all of a sudden has a ton of gambling debt." Sure as shit..

What actually happened there? Don't know, but I can tell you for a fact a whole ton of shit is being covered up. We haven't even seen the breach video, etc..

RD

His ammo business was legit, except he wasn't licensed for Tracer rounds which turned up in the Vegas hotel room. Remember the shooter was trying to shoot the fuel storage tanks at the airport across the street. If he was successful, it could have sent a flaming river towards the concert.

 

[SBMech]

His ammo business was legit, except he wasn't licensed for Tracer rounds which turned up in the Vegas hotel room. Remember the shooter was trying to shoot the fuel storage tanks at the airport across the street. If he was successful, it could have sent a flaming river towards the concert.

Just another example of how insidious the gun grab has become, laws against ammunition makers? WTF.

I have reloaded for years, fuck the POS fucktards who want to regulate our weapons out, tiny bits at a time.

Wake the fuck up. They are coming for us. I encourage everyone who loves hunting and shooting to continue to stay aware of every politician who is against us, and by god be a member of the NRA and support their efforts.

They are not perfect, but shit, they are fighting for us, with us.

 

[probablecause]

Only thing for sure is we are being lied to and will never know what really happened.

??? Do you mean he was an alien from planet unstable.

 

[dribble]

As far as all of this.. If you don't think we are being lied to you aren't paying attention.

They originally said the guy was a "winning gambler." When the Sheriff gave their press conferences he actually had the balls to say the guy primarily played "Video Poker" of all things.. LOL.

I told Stacy right after they said that "Watch they are gonna say this rich guy all of a sudden has a ton of gambling debt." Sure as shit..

What actually happened there? Don't know, but I can tell you for a fact a whole ton of shit is being covered up. We haven't even seen the breach video, etc..

RD

My question would be why? To what end? To accomplish what? And if it is true, how many people know the truth? Ten? One hundred? And what agencies are involved ? How did they all coordinate the story? And if a bunch of people know, has anyone told their wife? their brother? Or can all those people keep the secret.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Well, I guess I need to wipe down those rounds I reload, in case I sell them. There have been rumors around our county of..."outsiders" looking for various items, like API rounds, tracers, etc...even BMG primers. Makes you wonder if their motives are to find "Straw Men" for future sacrifice

My question would be why? To what end? To accomplish what? And if it is true, how many people know the truth? Ten? One hundred? And what agencies are involved ? How did they all coordinate the story? And if a bunch of people know, has anyone told their wife? their brother? Or can all those people keep the secret.

As for why, if it was a conspiracy, to put fear in the populace. A public in fear will ask for protection...think political science of the 50s, not the bs of the past 20 years. As to the keeping a black op quiet...how much detail did you hear about the invasion of Panama? More to the point, the small contingent of soldiers on the ground leading up to it? Things happen, always have. Is this one such thing? I don't know...I just know I avoid crowded soft targets these days.

 

[dribble]

Well, I guess I need to wipe down those rounds I reload, in case I sell them. There have been rumors around our county of..."outsiders" looking for various items, like API rounds, tracers, etc...even BMG primers. Makes you wonder if their motives are to find "Straw Men" for future sacrifice

As for why, if it was a conspiracy, to put fear in the populace. A public in fear will ask for protection...think political science of the 50s, not the bs of the past 20 years. As to the keeping a black op quiet...how much detail did you hear about the invasion of Panama? More to the point, the small contingent of soldiers on the ground leading up to it? Things happen, always have. Is this one such thing? I don't know...I just know I avoid crowded soft targets these days.

So you’re saying that there are dozens or hundreds of people in government who are willing to stand by and let 58 innocent people be shot to death to forward an agenda. I say bullshit. You’re drawing a comparison between a military operation and a domestic terrorist attact. News flash. One sick individual with a bunch of money and a bunch of weapons could do this. You or I could do this. It’s not that hard.

 

[WhatExit?]

My question would be why? To what end? To accomplish what? And if it is true, how many people know the truth? Ten? One hundred? And what agencies are involved ? How did they all coordinate the story? And if a bunch of people know, has anyone told their wife? their brother? Or can all those people keep the secret.

People are sheep! Especially government employees who know better than to ask questions or stir shit up or they'll be out of their cushy job with bennies or worse.

The government does what it wants all day every day. "Coordinate?!" Who in the government needs to do that?!

The entire bureaucracy is filled with unethical, power-hungry, manipulative cocksuckers (most of whom finish their jobs with a lot more money than they earned), why would any of them have to "coordinate?!"

 

[rrrr]

His ammo business was legit, except he wasn't licensed for Tracer rounds which turned up in the Vegas hotel room. Remember the shooter was trying to shoot the fuel storage tanks at the airport across the street. If he was successful, it could have sent a flaming river towards the concert.

From a hole .223 inches in diameter?

The chances of a minute amount of phosphorus igniting jet fuel in a tank are pretty much zero. It ain't the movies.

And what lies are being told? The guy was a shitbag, he carried weapons into the hotel without being challenged because what low paid desk clerk or staff member is going to risk being fired because he bothered a regular customer?

 

[4Waters]

From a hole .223 inches in diameter?

The chances of a minute amount of phosphorus igniting jet fuel in a tank are pretty much zero. It ain't the movies.

And what lies are being told? The guy was a shitbag, he carried weapons into the hotel without being challenged because what low paid desk clerk or staff member is going to risk being fired because he bothered a regular customer?

Mythbusters busted it, a tracer round will not ignite gasoline in a tank let alone jet fuel.

This whole thing smells like shit, I still think it was some sort of deal gone bad.

 

[spectra3279]

Maybe they can get harsh sentencing for Doug.
Arizona man wants no mention of Vegas shooting in ammo case.
LAS VEGAS (AP) - An Arizona aerospace engineer wants to prevent a federal jury from hearing references to the deadliest mass shooting in modern U.S. history in his upcoming trial on charges that he illegally manufactured ammunition found in the shooter's Las Vegas Strip hotel suite.

Douglas Haig's defense attorney, Marc Victor, says in court filings Monday that referring to the Oct. 1, 2017, shooting improperly confuses issues and will mislead a jury to unfairly link his client with the massacre.Haig isn't charged in the shooting but prosecutors refer in court documents to the massacre.Authorities say shooter Stephen Paddock shot himself dead after killing 58 people and injuring hundreds at an open-air concert.
Haig has pleaded not guilty to illegally making unfired bullets found with his fingerprints on them in Paddock's room.His trial is scheduled March 11.

How do you illegally make ammo?

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[spectra3279]

So you’re saying that there are dozens or hundreds of people in government who are willing to stand by and let 58 innocent people be shot to death to forward an agenda. I say bullshit. You’re drawing a comparison between a military operation and a domestic terrorist attact. News flash. One sick individual with a bunch of money and a bunch of weapons could do this. You or I could do this. It’s not that hard.

Liberals would to "end gun violence "

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[monkeyswrench]

So you’re saying that there are dozens or hundreds of people in government who are willing to stand by and let 58 innocent people be shot to death to forward an agenda. I say bullshit. You’re drawing a comparison between a military operation and a domestic terrorist attact. News flash. One sick individual with a bunch of money and a bunch of weapons could do this. You or I could do this. It’s not that hard.

I believe you missed my point...One may believe one story, another may believe another. The truth probably lay somewhere in between. I was not involved in the investigation, nor was I a witness. I am just pretty much saying not all the facts have been presented, and they probably won't be.

I do find it odd that you could say it would take dozens, or hundreds, of governmental or military individuals, but yet one sick individual could do it. Why rule out 1, or a few, sick individuals that are military or paramilitary from any government?

When the PG&E substation was shot up in Nor-Cal several years ago, how was it deemed domestic terrorism, with no arrests made?
Two years ago in Arizona, the networking lines between Northern Arizona, and pretty much the world, were dug up in the desert 20mi north of Phoenix, and severed. No internet, or cell communication for a couple days. Things happen, who knows the why or how? Most are just along for the ride until something major effects them.