Route 91 shooting in las Vegas

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Always reminds me of the movie Minority Report. “This is what we call an orgy of evidence” IMO it’s so blatantly ridiculous. A wealthy guy carts tons of guns and ammo to his room, in addition to having tons of ammo in his car, to shoot random people? OK, He’s got guns with scopes and he chooses to use a gun with a bump stock? Why have multiple weapons? Was his plan to run through a magazine, toss the gun and move to the next gun instead of reloading? Lol He’s got thousands of rounds and just decides to off himself instead of shooting it out with SWAT? Was his mission accomplished? Security guard leaves to Mexico right after the shooting? The only thing I know is thousands of lives were changed/hurt/destroyed, and I really wish we would find out the truth. Probably never will though.

 

[Old Texan]

Hard to understand what goes on in a sick mind......Mental health pros can't understand it enough to answer the question and without solid evidence neither can LE.

The answers left with the sick bastard and I doubt even he could have explained his fucked up mind. He came from a family of loons.....

 

[02HoWaRd26]

First shot fired i still truly believe was into Paddock’s head, as well it was not a hammer that broke out those two windows. The glass fragrant coagulation of blood vs the casings show all that just from the first released photos that soon there after were removed from the internet.

This is the story of Mr. Owl explaining how many licks it takes to get to the tootsie roll center of the Tootsie Pop.
-The World May Never Know-

 

[Meaney77]

Pretty crazy out come and we have never heard anything else from or about his wife.

Something tells me that in 10 years from now, this case will be reopened and the details will all come out.

 

[coolchange]

So you’re saying that there are dozens or hundreds of people in government who are willing to stand by and let 58 innocent people be shot to death to forward an agenda. I say bullshit. You’re drawing a comparison between a military operation and a domestic terrorist attact. News flash. One sick individual with a bunch of money and a bunch of weapons could do this. You or I could do this. It’s not that hard.

The Tuskegee syphilis experiment is one thing that comes to mind.
I wouldn't put anything past them.
Just because I'm paranoid, doesn't mean they still aren't after me.lol

 

[Bigbore500r]

I remember the following revelations that blew my mind in this investigaton:

-Paddocks laptop in his room had the hard drive missing
-Paddocks 2nd home was on lockdown by police, yet was burglarized during the investigation!
-Wife was out of the country
-Security guard's story 100% flip flopped from what was initially reported regarding timing of being shot
-Security guard rushed off to Mexico and cancelled interviews, only to re-surface on Ellen with a pre-canned scripted Q&A interview
-Paddock had booked other hotel rooms in the past, overlooking outdoor concert venues, but no further talk of those after the initial report

 

[RiverDave]

There's a million things that don't make sense.. The cell phone charger for a phone he didn't have.

I still can't get past the "video poker" part.. When they said that on the news I actually did a double take and said "What in the Fuck?" LOL

RD

 

[WhatExit?]

Here's an excerpt from the link below with a conspiracy theory...

At a news conference on October 5, 2017, Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo was still reeling from the heinous magnitude of the carnage. Days earlier, Paddock had fired more than 1,000 rounds of ammunition into a crowd of 22,000 country music fans gathered on the Las Vegas strip. It was a chillingly premeditated act: Paddock had stockpiled an arsenal of weaponry in his suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel, which overlooked the concert venue. In addition to the 24 high-powered rifles in his hotel room, police found explosives in his car parked in the hotel’s garage. (Paddock shot himself dead before police got to him.)

“Do you think this was all accomplished on his own?” an anguished Lombardo asked at the news conference. “You’ve got to make the assumption he had to have some help at some point.” Such speculation ran wild in the days and weeks after the shooting. Part of this stemmed from the Islamic State’s “news” agency having declared a role in the attack; as some experts observed at the time, the propaganda arm of the Islamic State tends not to make false claims about such events. But no evidence was ever offered by the jihadis, and the FBI ruled out the possibility. Lombardo also moved away from the possibility that Paddock had help.

Still, it was hard for some observers to accept that Paddock had acted alone. Within weeks of the massacre, Higgins and Johnson’s small hive of like minds in the intelligence and special ops community—among them a retired Delta Force troop commander and a former member of Seal Team 6, according to Higgins—informally teamed up to examine data they thought investigators were ignoring. The work was done mostly in conference calls and via email, Higgins told me. It included an analysis of acoustic signatures from cellphone videos recorded during the shooting and posted on YouTube, which led them to believe a second gunman was likely involved. This conspiracy theory had spread on the internet days after the Vegas tragedy, and was firmly rebuffed by law enforcement and independent fact-checkers.

No matter. The document authored by Higgins and Johnson argues that Paddock was likely killed by another collaborator in the room with him in “an op gone bad.” No evidence from the hotel room supports this theory; Paddock’s death was ruled a suicide. Nonetheless, the supposed collaborator is identified in the PowerPoint document: Brian Hodge.

https://www.politico.com/magazine/s...cy-theory-las-vegas-shooting-dangerous-222576

Guns litter the interior of Stephen Paddock’s hotel suite on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay hotel in Las Vegas after the Oct. 1, 2017, mass shooting. | Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department via AP

 

[WhatExit?]

24 firearms just so he could shoot out a window?

Explosives in his car?!

 

[dribble]

I believe you missed my point...One may believe one story, another may believe another. The truth probably lay somewhere in between. I was not involved in the investigation, nor was I a witness. I am just pretty much saying not all the facts have been presented, and they probably won't be.

I do find it odd that you could say it would take dozens, or hundreds, of governmental or military individuals, but yet one sick individual could do it. Why rule out 1, or a few, sick individuals that are military or paramilitary from any government?

When the PG&E substation was shot up in Nor-Cal several years ago, how was it deemed domestic terrorism, with no arrests made?
Two years ago in Arizona, the networking lines between Northern Arizona, and pretty much the world, were dug up in the desert 20mi north of Phoenix, and severed. No internet, or cell communication for a couple days. Things happen, who knows the why or how? Most are just along for the ride until something major effects them.

I say this because I worked for the government for 28 years. Nothing gets done without having ten times more people involved than the project requires. Believe me when I say nobody in government can keep that kind of a secret. If one or two people in government orchestrated this, then it becomes what it always was. A horrific crime. There are people who still believe Sandyhook didn't happen and that a plane didn't crash into the Pentagon. And they believe it for the same reasons that some have stated here. Some of the Sandyhook parents have received death threats and had to move. people are sick. I don't know why it's so hard to believe that there are evil individuals out there that want to kill a lot of people and can do so very easily. Recently in France one of them killed eighty people with a truck. The East Area Rapist / Golden State killer killed 13, then walked among us for 30 more years. I shopped in the same stores with that fucker. Just last week another shot and killed five innocent women in a bank. Not to rob it. Just because he wanted to kill people. This is nothing new. The Bath school massacre happened in 1927. Thirty eight children and six adults killed by one madman. It's just not that hard to do.

 

[Ziggy]

No way am I gonna loose sleep or stress about some nut job that's dead. His atrocities speak for themselves. If someone did think they figured out his motive(s) then someone else will debunk it with another theory anyhow. The only one who really knows is dead.
I just got to keep living my life without limiting myself for fear of some whacko.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

24 firearms just so he could shoot out a window?

Explosives in his car?!

Right? Why would he need all that unless he wasn’t going down without a fight? Even then, I don’t remember The Punisher being a wealthy ex accountant.....

 

[monkeyswrench]

Ok, conspiracy theories aside, I have a question: When the hell did a .223 or a 5.56 become a "high powered rifle"? In some states I don't think they're even considered a legal hunting round. I consider a 7.62x54 about the bottom of the "high power" spectrum. A 5.56 can be made to be accurate at some distance, but the energy at range is lacking. That is the main logic behind an M249 "SAW", it's best use is suppression fire at medium range, and carried by one man. (Usually a man you wouldn't mess with even if he didn't have that weapon) It makes a lot of noise, a lot of dust, and keeps the enemies' heads down. The "high power" belt fed weapons are usually stationary, or vehicle mounted...unless you're in Hollywood.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Another thing I just thought of, will a bump stock work with the added mass of a loaded beta mag? 1000rds is not going to be coming out of standard 30's, I wouldn't think. I don't own any bumpstock rifles, kind of a gimmick to me.

Edit: looked at pics, all mags appear to be 50rd Magpuls I think...with some laying empty, as if emptied and dropped by shooter. Reloading or changing weapons a minimum of 20 times, assuming no jams to fire 1000 times.

 

[4Waters]

I remember the following revelations that blew my mind in this investigaton:

-Paddocks laptop in his room had the hard drive missing
-Paddocks 2nd home was on lockdown by police, yet was burglarized during the investigation!
-Wife was out of the country
-Security guard's story 100% flip flopped from what was initially reported regarding timing of being shot
-Security guard rushed off to Mexico and cancelled interviews, only to re-surface on Ellen with a pre-canned scripted Q&A interview
-Paddock had booked other hotel rooms in the past, overlooking outdoor concert venues, but no further talk of those after the initial report

Like I said, "smells like shit"

 

[WhatExit?]

A few more details about the shooting and a LV cop frozen in fear with his rookie (1st day) partner:

 

[wsuwrhr]

Heard about that last night.

A few more details about the shooting and a LV cop frozen in fear with his rookie (1st day) partner:

 

[Icky]

A few more details about the shooting and a LV cop frozen in fear with his rookie (1st day) partner:

Apparently the guy should've watched more action movies, where you kick down the door and clear the room like a seasoned operator.
Whatever he did would never be enough in some people's eyes.

Coming up on the 2 year anniversary of this, some people relive it everyday, some people have moved on and forget about it most days. Some people believe the narrative, some people believe we'll never know the truth.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Yesterday another family filed suit against the gun manufacturers. They claim the gun was built and made too easy to be modified to "a machine gun"


People kill people, guns are just tools. I feel bad for those who lost family, but evil is not in the mechanics, it's in the mind.

 

[4Waters]

He had armed security as backup, he has no idea what type of tactical training they have if any, so as far as I am concerned the only backup he had was a 1st day rookie.

 

[Tommy Gun Images]

Yesterday another family filed suit against the gun manufacturers. They claim the gun was built and made too easy to be modified to "a machine gun"


People kill people, guns are just tools. I feel bad for those who lost family, but evil is not in the mechanics, it's in the mind.

Lawyers are going to pick from the tree that has the fruit. There's a reason they always go after the gun manufacturers.

 

[monkeyswrench]

Lawyers are going to pick from the tree that has the fruit. There's a reason they always go after the gun manufacturers.

As well as the political support helping sway the court of opinion. If enough are sued, they go under. Anti-gun people are happy, until it comes time those manufacturers are needed. Who protects those who want to protect us from ourselves?

No amount of money can replace nor bring a loved one back. Money does not make their passing easier, or numb your pain. As I said, I feel for the families. A life has no dollar figure, and a gun has no thoughts.

 

[probablecause]

He had armed security as backup, he has no idea what type of tactical training they have if any, so as far as I am concerned the only backup he had was a 1st day rookie.

Backup is not the issue here.

 

[CJ_Donahue]

That guy froze. There is no excuse. PERIOD.

 

[highvoltagehands]

As well as the political support helping sway the court of opinion. If enough are sued, they go under. Anti-gun people are happy, until it comes time those manufacturers are needed. Who protects those who want to protect us from ourselves?

No amount of money can replace nor bring a loved one back. Money does not make their passing easier, or numb your pain. As I said, I feel for the families. A life has no dollar figure, and a gun has no thoughts.

I'm pretty sure money makes everything easier, especially for family whose main bread earner was killed.
Saying "a gun has no thoughts", is like saying a opioid has no thoughts and doesn't kill. It may be a true statement, but it's shortsighted and not an excuse for a product to be left unregulated cause in the wrong hands it's deadly.
Just know that the bad ones always ruin shit for us good ones. If we & the gun industry, don't manage our gun problem, Someone is gonna manage it for us.

 

[Gelcoater]

I'm pretty sure money makes everything easier, especially for family whose main bread earner was killed.
Saying "a gun has no thoughts", is like saying a opioid has no thoughts and doesn't kill. It may be a true statement, but it's shortsighted and not an excuse for a product to be left unregulated cause in the wrong hands it's deadly.
Just know that the bad ones always ruin shit for us good ones. If we & the gun industry, don't manage our gun problem, Someone is gonna manage it for us.

That’s a bit of a reach, there.
Where do you draw the line on inanimate objects?
On Bastile day in France a couple years ago some nut killed 70+ people with a box van.
How many folks sued the mfg of the box van?

A van has no thoughts. Just like a gun. Just like a drug.

 

[Racey]

If we & the gun industry, don't manage our gun problem, Someone is gonna manage it for us.

There isn't a gun problem, ALL rifles account for only about 3% of all gun deaths, 90% are handgun, and of that more than half of the violent homicides by firearm take place in about 5 poor inner city ghettos, Chicago, Balitmore, Detroit, St Louis, etc.

There isn't a gun problem, there is a poverty and social structure problem. More gun laws are just an easy way to pass to buck and say 'See we did something', without actually doing anything.

 

[monkeyswrench]

I'm pretty sure money makes everything easier, especially for family whose main bread earner was killed.
Saying "a gun has no thoughts", is like saying a opioid has no thoughts and doesn't kill. It may be a true statement, but it's shortsighted and not an excuse for a product to be left unregulated cause in the wrong hands it's deadly.
Just know that the bad ones always ruin shit for us good ones. If we & the gun industry, don't manage our gun problem, Someone is gonna manage it for us.

So, what are the recent stats of people killed by electrocution each year? I don't see a big push to end the use of electricity. Then again, candles can burn people...

...and before it is said I know nothing of gun violence, burried a cousin several years back in Cali. Handgun in the hands of a prohibited possessor...and seen more in my youth.

The carnage caused by a madman with a rifle could just as easily been caused by a madman and a trip to Home Depot. It's easy to point a finger at the gun, but the finger on the trigger was the cause.

 

[Old Texan]

Don't leave the blame off courts that release dangerous felons back to the streets. 2 gangbangers out on bond, 1 for murder and 1 for armed robbery, recently shot a lady they robbed here in Houston......Out on fucking bond for murder!!!!! Now that is irresponsibility. And gun laws sure weren't effecting these two assholes abilities to acquire guns!!!!!!

 

[monkeyswrench]

Don't leave the blame off courts that release dangerous felons back to the streets. 2 gangbangers out on bond, 1 for murder and 1 for armed robbery, recently shot a lady they robbed here in Houston......Out on fucking bond for murder!!!!! Now that is irresponsibility. And gun laws sure weren't effecting these two assholes abilities to acquire guns!!!!!!

Laws don't effect the lawless, only law abiding.
Both guns and drugs, both illegal and prescribed, kill. Both are "regulated".

For the two out your way on bond, should have never happened.

 

[highvoltagehands]

That’s a bit of a reach, there.
Where do you draw the line on inanimate objects?
On Bastile day in France a couple years ago some nut killed 70+ people with a box van.
How many folks sued the mfg of the box van?

A van has no thoughts. Just like a gun. Just like a drug.

What a ridiculous comparison Gelly. A van is 100% designed to transport cargo and people. A gun is 100% designed to inflict injury and death and requires a different level of regulation.

 

[highvoltagehands]

So, what are the recent stats of people killed by electrocution each year? I don't see a big push to end the use of electricity. Then again, candles can burn people...

...and before it is said I know nothing of gun violence, burried a cousin several years back in Cali. Handgun in the hands of a prohibited possessor...and seen more in my youth.
The carnage caused by a madman with a rifle could just as easily been caused by a madman and a trip to Home Depot. It's easy to point a finger at the gun, but the finger on the trigger was the cause.

MW, Have you ever heard the term "Active Electrocuter"? NO, because People aren't using electricity trying to hurt and kill as many people as possible. Guns have a primary purpose, to kill and too many fruit loops out there to not regulate them.

There isn't a gun problem, ALL rifles account for only about 3% of all gun deaths, 90% are handgun, and of that more than half of the violent homicides by firearm take place in about 5 poor inner city ghettos, Chicago, Balitmore, Detroit, St Louis, etc.
There isn't a gun problem, there is a poverty and social structure problem. More gun laws are just an easy way to pass to buck and say 'See we did something', without actually doing anything.

I agree with most of what you're saying Racey, but there is a problem. Denying there's a problem and using the old "Guns don't kill, people kill" saying isn't fixing anything. Bottom line is we're not doing enough to keep guns out of wrong peoples hands.
I'm sure a longer, more comprehensive background check would help some to reduce gun violence and hopefully curb more gun laws.

 

[Gelcoater]

What a ridiculous comparison Gelly. A van is 100% designed to transport cargo and people. A gun is 100% designed to inflict injury and death and requires a different level of regulation.

It’s no more ridiculous comparison than yours to drugs?
An inanimate object is just that. Inantimate.
It was sort of the point I was making.
You missed it

In your own words “it’s deadly” in post #930...referring to a firearm.
So are vans, trucks, cars etc.
and there is regulation on both fronts!

At the end of the day, it’s what the user does with it.
Be it a gun, knife, truck, brick, shovel, etc.

I live in California.
I, as a Cali resident can NOT own a Taurus Judge. A pistol, a revolver!
And it doesn’t matter what back ground check I endure.
There’s your regulation!
Are you happy?!

I can own a box van however
With a simple drivers license, Hell? Even without I have a right to own one.
At the end of the day, which has the propensity to be more deadly?
A 6 shot pistol or a box van?

 

[monkeyswrench]

I am all for regulation of firearms. The problem I have is with the follow through and lack of consistency in enforcement of laws in general. Nut balls shouldn't have guns. I agree.

Until such a time as all others are unarmed as well, I will elect to keep my firearms. Be it from a paranoid stance or whatever one wishes to call it. I would rather have the ability to protect my family, than depend on someone on the other end of the phone.

MW, Have you ever heard the term "Active Electrocuter"? NO, because People aren't using electricity trying to hurt and kill as many people as possible. Guns have a primary purpose, to kill and too many fruit loops out there to not regulate them.



I agree with most of what you're saying Racey, but there is a problem. Denying there's a problem and using the old "Guns don't kill, people kill" saying isn't fixing anything. Bottom line is we're not doing enough to keep guns out of wrong peoples hands.
I'm sure a longer, more comprehensive background check would help some to reduce gun violence and hopefully curb more gun laws.

 

[highvoltagehands]

It’s no more ridiculous comparison than yours to drugs?
An inanimate object is just that. Inantimate.
It was sort of the point I was making.
You missed it

In your own words “it’s deadly” in post #930...referring to a firearm.
So are vans, trucks, cars etc.
and there is regulation on both fronts!

At the end of the day, it’s what the user does with it.
Be it a gun, knife, truck, brick, shovel, etc.

I live in California.
I, as a Cali resident can NOT own a Taurus Judge. A pistol, a revolver!
And it doesn’t matter what back ground check I endure.
There’s your regulation!
Are you happy?!

I can own a box van however
With a simple drivers license, Hell? Even without I have a right to own one.
At the end of the day, which has the propensity to be more deadly?
A 6 shot pistol or a box van?

Sorry man. Didn't know you not owning a Ford Taurus is such sore subject….

 

[t&y]

MW, Have you ever heard the term "Active Electrocuter"? NO, because People aren't using electricity trying to hurt and kill as many people as possible. Guns have a primary purpose, to kill and too many fruit loops out there to not regulate them.



I agree with most of what you're saying Racey, but there is a problem. Denying there's a problem and using the old "Guns don't kill, people kill" saying isn't fixing anything. Bottom line is we're not doing enough to keep guns out of wrong peoples hands.
I'm sure a longer, more comprehensive background check would help some to reduce gun violence and hopefully curb more gun laws.

You don't fix the problem by punishing those who are not causing the problem. With that said, I see no problem with background checks. Those will catch the really stupid ones. The rest will simply buy their guns illegally like they have been for years.

The real problem is in our criminal justice system. If the politicians really cared about the violence they would not be fighting to let people out of jail as fast as they can. How about tripling the penalties for gun related crimes with a 95% must do time clause. How about removing the ability to plea those crimes down to a lesser charge. From someone who has seen his fair share of people who should never own a gun... owning them an repeatedly get arrested with them, I can personally tell you the court system (even in cali) is far to easy on the violators in regards to weapons violations.

 

[BONER]

Ever butt stroked somebody in the face with a Rifle? Trust me, they're alot more fun to use unloaded.

 

[BHC Vic]

You don't fix the problem by punishing those who are not causing the problem. With that said, I see no problem with background checks. Those will catch the really stupid ones. The rest will simply buy their guns illegally like they have been for years.

The real problem is in our criminal justice system. If the politicians really cared about the violence they would not be fighting to let people out of jail as fast as they can. How about tripling the penalties for gun related crimes with a 95% must do time clause. How about removing the ability to plea those crimes down to a lesser charge. From someone who has seen his fair share of people who should never own a gun... owning them an repeatedly get arrested with them, I can personally tell you the court system (even in cali) is far to easy on the violators in regards to weapons violations.

That makes way too much sense for rdp. Take that shit somewhere else

 

[Old Texan]

MW, Have you ever heard the term "Active Electrocuter"? NO, because People aren't using electricity trying to hurt and kill as many people as possible. Guns have a primary purpose, to kill and too many fruit loops out there to not regulate them.



I agree with most of what you're saying Racey, but there is a problem. Denying there's a problem and using the old "Guns don't kill, people kill" saying isn't fixing anything. Bottom line is we're not doing enough to keep guns out of wrong peoples hands.
I'm sure a longer, more comprehensive background check would help some to reduce gun violence and hopefully curb more gun laws.

You've hit on the crux of the issue, keeping bad folks from having guns, so concentrate on that.

As stated, the justice system and it's lack of keeping the real bad felons under lock and key is the biggest part of the issue. These folks can get bootleg weapons way to easy and that allows their sick minds to find and easy way to kill. They and the ones that steal, procure, and sell weapons all need to be locked up or executed period. Too easy to make bail and to lenient on the amount would solve a bunch. If bailed out and they do bad things, make all who allowed them freedom to be held responsible in some major way including judges, legal aid, and the DA that didn't insist strongly enough.

And "Guns don't kill", they need the human link. Remove it and the gun remains an inanimate object. Millions of guns in the hands of responsible owners kill no one. Thousands of guns in the hands of criminals and psychos do kill. Yet the big deal of the anti crowd is more restrictions that effect only the "millions".....That is the problem with that approach to the issue.

The solution is to target the bad and insane. Plain and simple

 

[DRYHEAT]

I would vote for a three strikes and you’re dead law.
If your lifestyle motto is Kill Mangle Maim Destroy Rape Pilage Burn it’s time for you to go.
If law enforcement wasn’t so busy dealing with the same shit birds over and over again maybe they would have time to investigate some of these in the closet wackos.
Banning the tools of destruction is not going to solve the problem.
People bent on destruction will find a method.

 

[was thatguy]

Drop me in any town USA with $500 or more and I’ll have you a gun the same day.
ESPECIALLY any CA city. (Although CA is probably more expensive)

The harder it is to buy something legally, the bigger the demand is illegally.

There’s something like 1.2 guns per person in this Country (393 million the gov knows about)
While I’m all for screening regarding legal purchase, and my mere 3 guns are all registered and legal, to think that background checks will stop a determined, motivated, homcidal individual from getting his hands on a gun is folly.

To buy back all known guns at just $100 each would cost $39,300,000,000.00

Point is you aren’t going to stop anyone through guns laws.

Imo, it’s time to stop the focus on the weapon and focus on our surroundings and situational awareness.
Almost all spree killings that we see have a laundry list of warning signs, and what do we do?
Blame the gun.

 

[t&y]

Now we're talking....

They do behavioral studies on all the Mass Murderers. The retard from Vegas is one of the only ones they can not find a behavioral reason for. Many display all kinds of warning signs leading up to their acts, not this guy. It only adds to the conspiracy theories.

So what do we do? We live in a "free" society where it "ain't no crime to be crazy". And honestly, many of the documented acts, behaviors, preparatory steps many of the Mass Murders have taken, would not lead up to criminal charges, or even legal investigations beyond a brief detention (think investigative questioning out of custody). It's real easy to look back after the fact, piece it all together, and go... "Well Duh". But not nearly as easy leading up to anything unless they person is literally making it very public what they intend to do in the future. Even then, the suggestion or statements might lead up to a conspiracy charge, or a criminal threats charge, but those do not carry severe penalties standing alone. Add the California dream of letting everyone off the hook... and you have very few options for attacking this problem left on the table.

Society needs to change in order to attack this. Adding MORE restrictions on top of those that are not enforced and then followed through will do nothing but boost some Libturds street cred amongst the other Libturds that follow them. It's all political.

 

[was thatguy]

Now we're talking....

They do behavioral studies on all the Mass Murderers. The retard from Vegas is one of the only ones they can not find a behavioral reason for. Many display all kinds of warning signs leading up to their acts, not this guy. It only adds to the conspiracy theories.

So what do we do? We live in a "free" society where it "ain't no crime to be crazy". And honestly, many of the documented acts, behaviors, preparatory steps many of the Mass Murders have taken, would not lead up to criminal charges, or even legal investigations beyond a brief detention (think investigative questioning out of custody). It's real easy to look back after the fact, piece it all together, and go... "Well Duh". But not nearly as easy leading up to anything unless they person is literally making it very public what they intend to do in the future. Even then, the suggestion or statements might lead up to a conspiracy charge, or a criminal threats charge, but those do not carry severe penalties standing alone. Add the California dream of letting everyone off the hook... and you have very few options for attacking this problem left on the table.

Society needs to change in order to attack this. Adding MORE restrictions on top of those that are not enforced and then followed through will do nothing but boost some Libturds street cred amongst the other Libturds that follow them. It's all political.

I have an honest question, unrelated.

In your day to day crime fighting, what would you say the ratio of guns that you confiscate from perps is as far as legally owned vs illegally in possision of?

 

[DRYHEAT]

Now we're talking....

They do behavioral studies on all the Mass Murderers. The retard from Vegas is one of the only ones they can not find a behavioral reason for. Many display all kinds of warning signs leading up to their acts, not this guy. It only adds to the conspiracy theories.

So what do we do? We live in a "free" society where it "ain't no crime to be crazy". And honestly, many of the documented acts, behaviors, preparatory steps many of the Mass Murders have taken, would not lead up to criminal charges, or even legal investigations beyond a brief detention (think investigative questioning out of custody). It's real easy to look back after the fact, piece it all together, and go... "Well Duh". But not nearly as easy leading up to anything unless they person is literally making it very public what they intend to do in the future. Even then, the suggestion or statements might lead up to a conspiracy charge, or a criminal threats charge, but those do not carry severe penalties standing alone. Add the California dream of letting everyone off the hook... and you have very few options for attacking this problem left on the table.

Society needs to change in order to attack this. Adding MORE restrictions on top of those that are not enforced and then followed through will do nothing but boost some Libturds street cred amongst the other Libturds that follow them. It's all political.

I think it was the late 70s or early 80s when the laws changed and made it more difficult for law-enforcement to recommend a psychiatric evaluation. Sad reality is that society is no better off, unless you’re a criminal or a wacko.

 

[t&y]

I have an honest question, unrelated.

In your day to day crime fighting, what would you say the ratio of guns that you confiscate from perps is as far as legally owned vs illegally in possision of?

Only time I've taken a legally possessed gun from someone was for "safekeeping" on a domestic or 5150 hold. I've been involved/near/around a couple lawful shootings involving legally owned firearms. Your general every day 99.9999999999% of time crimes, involving guns, are illegally possessed. That of course is based off of the cases someone is actually caught.

 

[t&y]

Interesting article on stats related to cop killers.

https://www.tierthreetactical.com/25-gunfighting-stats-learned-from-convicted-cop-killers/


Little different look at the killers backgrounds.

 

[Kfabe]

Decent documentary about one of the fire stations close to the route 91 festival. There are 4 parts to the video.

 

[Nordie]

This video always gets me...

 

[regor]

NV shooter massacred 60 after losing $1.5M gambling weeks before

Stephen Paddock, 64, burned through more than $1.5million through gambling in the months leading up to the massacre.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[HCP3]

NV shooter massacred 60 after losing $1.5M gambling weeks before

Stephen Paddock, 64, burned through more than $1.5million through gambling in the months leading up to the massacre.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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I don't understand the funny laughing face emoji.