Polaris RZR Pro R - 11/09/2021

[LargeOrangeFont]

I don’t think they can make that kinda go out of a NA motor if it’s 1.3?

They would need way more RPM..

 

[WhatExit?]

.What Speed did do for Polaris and Can Am is show them that people will pay for a better/faster/higher spec and higher priced product.

Your mistake is thinking that Polaris “needed” Speed to understand this.

You can be sure Polaris has forgotten more about this market than Robby Gordon and Speed will ever know.

Do you think a $40,000 or $50,000 or $60,000 etc. car will sell? You can be sure Polaris knows this better than Speed and they know how many cars will sell at each of those price points. There’s a reason they and CanAm sell what they do and why they have the lineup they do. From capturing new entrants to those who are able and willing to move up the ladder for higher performance.

 

[185EZ]

I don't care if it has 500hp and can make pigs fly
$36k for a Pro R 4 seater with tax and a couple accessories is 40 grand lol. I'm out
I paid $18,200 for my xp41k and happier than a pig n poop

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Your mistake is thinking that Polaris “needed” Speed to understand this.

You can be sure Polaris has forgotten more about this market than Robby Gordon and Speed will ever know.

Do you think a $40,000 or $50,000 or $60,000 etc. car will sell? You can be sure Polaris knows this better than Speed and they know how many cars will sell at each of those price points. There’s a reason they and CanAm sell what they do and why they have the lineup they do. From capturing new entrants to those who are able and willing to move up the ladder for higher performance.

Your mistake is not knowing the market to begin with. That is why the aftermarket is so vast for these things, and people dump $50, $60, $70K into them. Polaris and Can Am have ALWAYS limped in and cheaped out on the production vehicle to bolster their own aftermarket and option sales. Over the last 2 years, the market has spoken that they will pay for a better, customized product up front that needs less upgrades. Funny that they came to that realization in the last 2 years because of a potential market disruptor.

Polaris has the most expensive car for sale right now, at $45K. They will sell many of them, many more than Speed will. Even those cars will still need several thousand in upgrades and bolt on doo dads.

RG does not know everything, but he does know what buyers in the Southwest want. He pitched the 4 seat RZR to Polaris in the first place 12 years ago.. Look where that went. He pitched it to Textron too who said there is no market for a 4 seat turbo car.. That was a miss.

Well now Speed has more 4 seat cars on order than Wildcat XXs that Textron has even sold.

 

[Bigbore500r]

There's alot of mistakes in this thread

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There's alot of mistakes in this thread

More than a 2016 RE thread.

 

[Lavey5150]

There's alot of experts in this thread

Fixed it.

I know.

Fixed it.

 

[Blackmagic94]

I agree. It’s been completely stupid for the oem not to offer a king dingaling sxs out of the box. And not one that you have to click a bunch of dealer installed options after you get the car

 

[PlanB]

I don't care if it has 500hp and can make pigs fly
$36k for a Pro R 4 seater with tax and a couple accessories is 40 grand lol. I'm out
I paid $18,200 for my xp41k and happier than a pig n poop

We were out the door on our 2020 X3 for about 30K with the extended warranty, so there is definitely a price bump on these new SXS's coming out. I would not have a hard time paying more money for a properly setup car, but like LOF stated, you still need to add accessories and make up for shortcomings from the factory. I also have a hard time paying that much for a non-turbo car that is a lot heavier than the X3 (I am reading 500 lbs?). I would want the ability to add a tune and get closer to 300hp if I have that extra weight. My.02.

 

[badgas]

I'm just hoping there are some nice used deals coming from all the people buying up. I'm still rocking a NA XP 900 with kings, it's fast enough to kill me and has seen every dune in Glamis.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

We were out the door on our 2020 X3 for about 30K with the extended warranty, so there is definitely a price bump on these new SXS's coming out. I would not have a hard time paying more money for a properly setup car, but like LOF stated, you still need to add accessories and make up for shortcomings from the factory. I also have a hard time paying that much for a non-turbo car that is a lot heavier than the X3 (I am reading 500 lbs?). I would want the ability to add a tune and get closer to 300hp if I have that extra weight. My.02.

I agree with you. Turbo R is the sweet spot right now. New Pro XP platform, new R suspension, shorter wheelbase, lighter, proven powertrain that has headroom for upgrades, starts at $6K cheaper. Top line Turbo R is $8K cheaper than top line Pro R.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Oh and FYI.. These Turbo R cars don't exist yet.. Expected delivery is Spring 2022.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Oh and FYI.. These Turbo R cars don't exist yet.. Expected delivery is Spring 2022.

That’s why I bought a turbo s4 dynamix it’s out now! But it’s fun playing fantasy league about all the new SXS stuff coming out only going to get better! We almost pulled the trigger a couple years ago on a 64in wide turbo glad we waited and I think it was some of your posts that made me go with the RZR over the can am.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

That’s why I bought a turbo s4 dynamix it’s out now! But it’s fun playing fantasy league about all the new SXS stuff coming out only going to get better! We almost pulled the trigger a couple years ago on a 64in wide turbo glad we waited and I think it was some of your posts that made me go with the RZR over the can am.

Awesome! You got the best of the last gen stuff. It will be great for a long while!

 

[HotRod82]

Your mistake is not knowing the market to begin with. That is why the aftermarket is so vast for these things, and people dump $50, $60, $70K into them. Polaris and Can Am have ALWAYS limped in and cheaped out on the production vehicle to bolster their own aftermarket and option sales. Over the last 2 years, the market has spoken that they will pay for a better, customized product up front that needs less upgrades. Funny that they came to that realization in the last 2 years because of a potential market disruptor.

Polaris has the most expensive car for sale right now, at $45K. They will sell many of them, many more than Speed will. Even those cars will still need several thousand in upgrades and bolt on doo dads.

RG does not know everything, but he does know what buyers in the Southwest want. He pitched the 4 seat RZR to Polaris in the first place 12 years ago.. Look where that went. He pitched it to Textron too who said there is no market for a 4 seat turbo car.. That was a miss.

Well now Speed has more 4 seat cars on order than Wildcat XXs that Textron has even sold.

I dig the Speed car, I really do......however strictly from a business standpoint, I do not see how Speed intends to survive simply selling SxS's. The numbers just aren't there. Polaris, Can-am, Honda, Yamaha all have massive global product lines to generate revenue. Speed has a major uphill battle ahead of them even if things go perfectly. One problem with that car and they will be history, think Cannonale.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I dig the Speed car, I really do......however strictly from a business standpoint, I do not see how Speed intends to survive simply selling SxS's. The numbers just aren't there. Polaris, Can-am, Honda, Yamaha all have massive global product lines to generate revenue. Speed has a major uphill battle ahead of them even if things go perfectly. One problem with that car and they will be history, think Cannonale.

They already sell energy drinks, RC cars, tools, etc..I don’t know how the businesses are structured but the UTV side has a really low overhead compared to all those corporations you mentioned. They have almost $500 million in orders already. They aren’t publicly traded, they are not beholden to shareholders. They had a several person design team, used outside consultants where needed. They are outsourcing the production, so they don’t have debt associated with that buildup.

How many cars do they need to sell to be profitable? Orders of magnitude less than Polaris and Can Am do. I think they will be able to squeeze enough profit out of $500M to survive.

 

[Ziggy]

Meep-Meep

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Review and breakdown of the new cars! These are pretty impressive. Performance sounds pretty good, and the cars appear to be built very stout.

The Pro R drivetrain does not look fun to work on and service with the belt behind the seats however.

 

[HCP3]

Fishgistics on Instagram: "@wayne_matlock is back in the race after changing a front shock on the new @polarisrzr Pro R!! Dave Cole is currently leading the class in his RS1! #fishgistics #baja1000 #score"

1,709 likes, 17 comments - fishgistics on November 18, 2021: "@wayne_matlock is back in the race after changing a front shock on the new @polarisrzr Pro R!! Dave Cole is currently leading the class in his RS1! #fishgistics #baja1000 #score".

www.instagram.com

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sucks they pulled that video I posted. It was really good.

 

[Boatymcboatface]

Video is back up somewhere just 8min shorter.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

 

[Blubyu]

Not what I was expecting for a video from them, was expecting some sales pitch on this car needs XYZ. Not one sales pitch in there. We are patiently waiting for the Pro R to arrive.

 

[ArizonaKevin]

Not what I was expecting for a video from them, was expecting some sales pick on this car needs XYZ. Not one sales pitch in there, we are patiently waiting for the Pro R to arrive.

In the past they haven't done that, they did an unboxing video and review video of the XX. Only at the end of the review video did they talk about the car being underdamped and that spring and revalve kits would be out soon.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Not what I was expecting for a video from them, was expecting some sales pitch on this car needs XYZ. Not one sales pitch in there. We are patiently waiting for the Pro R to arrive.

The sales pitch will come after these hit the showroom floor. That video was simply reading from the marketing materials.

Car looks pretty cool.

 

[riverroyal]

im leaving a deposit. Might be a RzR owner.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

im leaving a deposit. Might be a RzR owner.

Turbo R or Pro R?

 

[riverroyal]

Pro R. I like it. Definitely changed stuff. The bus bar is sweet. Simple cool changes

 

[rivrrts429]

The Pro R is going to be a pretty cool car. Like all big business Polaris will eat it’s own. They’ll release the transmission model next year or year after.

 

[Bpracing1127]

pretty impressive. the belt design for changes suck!!! but if you dont really have to change one that is ok.

8500 rpm 4 cylinder. it screams!!

 

[Bpracing1127]

So they pro R is already arriving!!!! Speed better pull their heads out of their ass!!!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

So they pro R is already arriving!!!! Speed better pull their heads out of their ass!!!

Yea they are starting to trickle out now.

Speed will be fine, calm down Francis. I want a good car, not a stop sale after 2 months like a new Polaris

 

[Bpracing1127]

Yea they are starting to trickle out now.

Speed will be fine, calm down Francis. I want a good car, not a stop sale after 2 months like a new Polaris

I bet my Polaris will be faster than your speed car!!! Becasue it doesn’t exist!’n haha

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I bet my Polaris will be faster than your speed car!!! Becasue it doesn’t exist!’n haha

We will see if you want to take that bet in a few more months

 

[Bpracing1127]

We will see if you want to take that bet in a few more months

nope because it will be boating season ha

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

nope because it will be boating season ha

That and you will have nothing by then

 

[Bigbore500r]

I bet my Polaris will be faster than your speed car!!! Becasue it doesn’t exist!’n haha

 

[Dirtbag]

The Pro R seems to beat everything in existence including the Speed car.....I really enjoy watching the Shock Therapy guys talk shop every week and they have been breaking down the PRO R.......Its in a class of its own...they wont race it because nothing will be able to compete against it. Absolutely a game changer. I like the speed car too. I cant wait to see them both....Anyone want to buy a 2017 general 4 haha?

 

[HALLETT BOY]

Are you guys actually going to buy a $46K off road toy ?? Plus the required accessories ?

 

[Dirtbag]

Are you guys actually going to buy a $46K off road toy ?? Plus the required accessories ?

what required accessories? Doesnt need a cage. unless u just want something that looks different? A light bar, some whips, and a PCI/Rugged system is all I can think you need......my only worry is will it be too wide to travel the trails in havasu.

 

[attitude]

Are you guys actually going to buy a $46K off road toy ?? Plus the required accessories ?

46k? Did you mean 36k?

 

[Riverryder]

Are you guys actually going to buy a $46K off road toy ?? Plus the required accessories ?

this is my exact thought when i read these threads!!! and they are moving these things faster then the smeis can get them to the dealer is beyond me! thats more then most can afford to spend on a vehicle to get to work.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

what required accessories? Doesnt need a cage. unless u just want something that looks different? A light bar, some whips, and a PCI/Rugged system is all I can think you need......my only worry is will it be too wide to travel the trails in havasu.

It will be too wide if you put aftermarket wider wheels on it. As stock it will be fine. Speed is gonna have the same issue.. it will be 82" wide if someone puts "regular" aftermarket wheels on it.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

46k? Did you mean 36k?

Nope. A top line Pro R with no options is $45K, before assembly, and fees. If you get the Premium, that is like $42K, you'll be close to $50K out the door, and the car will still need at minimum $5K in spares, radios, & lights.

The solution is to not buy a Pro R. Buy a cheaper model like the Turbo R.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

what required accessories? Doesnt need a cage. unless u just want something that looks different? A light bar, some whips, and a PCI/Rugged system is all I can think you need......my only worry is will it be too wide to travel the trails in havasu.

That is $5K you just spent.. Spare tire, spare tire mount, lights, radios, whips, fire extinguisher, tools, storage, door bags, windshield.

If you don't buy wheels you are stuck buying a Polaris OEM wheel I'm sure the stock wheels are gonna suck

The Pro R seems to beat everything in existence including the Speed car.....I really enjoy watching the Shock Therapy guys talk shop every week and they have been breaking down the PRO R.......Its in a class of its own...they wont race it because nothing will be able to compete against it. Absolutely a game changer. I like the speed car too. I cant wait to see them both....Anyone want to buy a 2017 general 4 haha?

We will see if it is any "better". It is gonna just be a Ford Vs. Chevy Vs Dodge conversation at the end of the day. They won't race the Pro R because there is no class to race it in, not because it is any better. The Turbo R is the same suspension and platform and that will be raced. I feel like that is the better all around car personally. It is lighter, shorter wheelbase, and you can make really good power with light mods to that engine. The Pro R is gonna make 220 HP unless you spend $10K on forced induction, or an NA engine build. It is a longer and heavier car.

 

[attitude]

Nope. A top line Pro R with no options is $45K, before assembly, and fees. If you get the Premium, that is like $42K, you'll be close to $50K out the door, and the car will still need at minimum $5K in spares, radios, & lights.

The solution is to not buy a Pro R. Buy a cheaper model like the Turbo R.

Why is it assumed everyone buying a Pro R is buying a Ultimate Launch Edition? Which is sold out by the way so that argument is invalid to someone in the market for a new UTV. A Pro R 4 starts at 36k and caps at 42k (the same as a top of the line Speed). RZRs are also bought at standard dealerships where you can haggle, Speeds are bought like Tesla’s the price they say is the price you pay. And before you say it yes you can still haggle on UTVs just like you can on F250s during COVID.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Why is it assumed everyone buying a Pro R is buying a Ultimate Launch Edition? Which is sold out by the way so that argument is invalid to someone in the market for a new UTV. A Pro R 4 starts at 36k and caps at 42k (the same as a top of the line Speed). RZRs are also bought at standard dealerships where you can haggle, Speeds are bought like Tesla’s the price they say is the price you pay. And before you say it yes you can still haggle on UTVs just like you can on F250s during COVID.

Speed 4 seaters start at $32K. You don't pay assembly fees with a Speed by ordering direct. I paid more fees (tax excluded) on my kids quad than I did on my direct bought Speed cars.

Have fun haggling for a SXS at a dealership right now. Ever heard of ADMs? You wont get one for below MSRP. You will be paying assembly fees, doc fees, and whatever crap they tack on.

What he said is exactly right, you aren't getting out of that dealership with a 4 seat Pro R for under $40K out the door, regardless of trim. The premium will be $48K+ out the door. $46K is probably a good round average number.

 

[attitude]

Speed 4 seaters start at $32K. You don't pay assembly fees with a Speed by ordering direct. I paid more fees (tax excluded) on my kids quad than I did on my direct bought Speed cars.

Have fun haggling for a SXS at a dealership right now. Ever heard of ADMs? You wont get one for below MSRP. You will be paying assembly fees, doc fees, and whatever crap they tack on.

What he said is exactly right, you aren't getting out of that dealership with a 4 seat Pro R for under $40K out the door, regardless of trim. The premium will be $48K+ out the door. $46K is probably a good round average number.

Apparently no one cares what the RZRs start at only what you can option them to so for this comparison both cars are the most expensive model at 42k lol. When you add 10% tax then I guess you are at 46k. But not everyone wants the most expensive model, you can be OTD in either car for under 40k. Also you very well can haggle on a new SXS my best bud bought a Pro XP and he was OTD under MSRP. I also have a buddy who paid 5k over MSRP (idiot) for a standard Turbo doesn’t mean everyone is that desperate, the deals are out there you just need to look.

 

[Bpracing1127]

lets face it the speed guys cars are cheaper!!!!





































they havnt had to pay for them yet!!! hahaha

 

[attitude]

lets face it the speed guys cars are cheaper!!!!





































they havnt had to pay for them yet!!! hahaha

I have no dog in this fight as I don’t own either I just find it funny that RZR comes out with a stupid expensive limited Launch Edition and ever hater immediately claims that’s what everyone is going to pay for a new Pro R. It makes it even funnier that that model is sold out so you can’t even buy it anymore. If speed had a 46k car everyone would be saying “but but but you can buy the base model for cheaper”

PS the base models for both cars are still over my budget