Polaris RZR Pro R - 11/09/2021

[LargeOrangeFont]

Lol. Where do you get e85 at the dunes. The 300 hp thing is a marketing trick at best. Most of you homos will be afraid to lose your 6 month warranty over the race key


What happens when rzr makes a turbo 2.0 down the road. Hmmm

LOL everyone that needs their own fuel seems to cart it in without issue week in and week out.

You can buy an extended warranty that covers the car at the 300 HP level.

A modded Can Am or Turbo S/Turbo R is going to smoke the Pro R in the "dunes" without power adder. It makes less power and is heavier.

Everyone is going to have 1+L turbo cars down the road.

 

[TPC]

Pretty much Can Am wheelbase on the 4 Pro R seater now... 133"

Shawtys thick.

Evolution Powersports will flash the hell outta that engine.

 

[Blackmagic94]

LOL everyone that needs their own fuel seems to cart it in without issue week in and week out.

You can buy an extended warranty that covers the car at the 300 HP level...

Everyone is going to have big engine turbo cars down the road.

Well everyone but speed. Nail is in the coffin now

 

[ArizonaKevin]

It's probably because I'm no race-car driver, but I feel like 225hp is already at the upper limit of talent for most weekend warriors. Outside of the dunes, most owners of either car won't use half of their capability

 

[Blackmagic94]

It's probably because I'm no race-car driver, but I feel like 225hp is already at the upper limit of talent for most weekend warriors. Outside of the dunes, most owners of either car won't use half of their capability

225 will kill some credit card captains for sure.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Evolution Powersports will flash the hell outta that engine.

They will, they won't get any power out of it... 10-20 HP at most on an NA tune. This thing is making 112 HP/L. That is pretty high for a production based NA engine.

Well everyone but speed. Nail is in the coffin now

Sure thing

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

It's probably because I'm no race-car driver, but I feel like 225hp is already at the upper limit of talent for most weekend warriors. Outside of the dunes, most owners of either car won't use half of their capability

Totally correct.

The Pro R 4 seater loaded up with accessories, is gonna be pushing 2500-2600 lbs. loaded up with spares and mods.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

29" isn't real travel, it is "useable travel", that is Polaris marketing jargon. Speed car is wider, and does not drag its ass on the ground.

Polaris going past 1000cc is a real benefit for the industry. Helmet and other laws will likely change next week

Robby has a bigger optional short block in development as an option (who knows it might be standard next year), It was in the initial design plan 2 years ago.

Speed makes same power with more torque and wider power band on pump gas (because turbo).

Pro R will need a $7-$10K power adder to hang with a Speed Car with E85 in the tank making 300 HP with a simple key.

Try a little harder to be informed next time.

I thought Speed wasn't competing for market share with Polaris? You're defending it as if it is.

Like I said long long ago. This is all going to benefit the consumer. Polaris WILL NOT ALLOW their car to not be competitive, regardless of how RG see's himself in the market.

I'm super anxious to see where else this all leads.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I thought Speed wasn't competing for market share with Polaris? You're defending it as if it is.

Like I said long long ago. This is all going to benefit the consumer. Polaris WILL NOT ALLOW their car to not be competitive, regardless of how RG see's himself in the market.

Wrong. I said Polaris is not competing for share with Speed. Polaris is clearly the market leader and will continue to be. They don't care about Speed, they are going to outsell Speed 10 to 1.

Clearly any Speed Car is taking a sale from Can Am or Polaris. If Polaris and Can Am are so dominant, why would they care about Speed who will be bankrupt tomorrow? Why would they care about a few thousand cars from an unknown manufacturer that has not yet made production cars?

You can't have it both ways.. Is Speed going bankrupt because they are crap, they wont sell, and will never exist anyway?

Or the car is so good, that no one will buy Polaris and Can Am any more so Polaris or Can Am will swoop in and buy them up just to destroy them?

You guys need to pick a Speed doomsday theory and stick with it.

I can tell you what isn't happening... Polaris and Can Am lowering their prices to choke Speed out of the market. $45K for a top line Polaris 4 seater.

What Speed did do for Polaris and Can Am is show them that people will pay for a better/faster/higher spec and higher priced product.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Wrong. I said Polaris is not competing for share with Speed. Polaris is clearly the market leader and will continue to be. They don't care about Speed, they are going to outsell Speed 10 to 1.

Clearly any Speed Car is taking a sale from Can Am or Polaris. If Polaris and Can Am are so dominant, why would they care about Speed who will be bankrupt tomorrow? Why would they care about a few thousand cars from an unknown manufacturer that has not yet made production cars?

You can't have it both ways.. Is Speed going bankrupt because they are crap, they wont sell, and will never exist anyway?

Or the car is so good, that no one will buy Polaris and Can Am any more so Polaris or Can Am will swoop in and buy them up just to destroy them?

You guys need to pick a Speed doomsday theory and stick with it.

I can tell you what isn't happening... Polaris and Can Am lowering their prices to choke Speed out of the market. $45K for a top line Polaris 4 seater.

What Speed did do for Polaris and Can Am is show them that people will pay for a better/faster/higher spec and higher priced product.

Sorry Ashley, you're incorrect. If Polaris BOD doesn't care, they're gonna get replaced. That's just how business works. Fill in the blanks.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Sorry Ashley, you're incorrect. If Polaris BOD doesn't care, they're gonna get replaced. That's just how business works. Fill in the blanks.

Polaris is already confident they have a superior product. They view their mission as complete. They have not even acknowledged Speed exists. That is exactly what they are going to continue to do. Why do you think Polaris is so scared of Speed? They aren't scared of Speed UTV.

You know how business works. You aren't going to spend millions of dollars and tons of effort to eliminate a "threat" to their share that does not exist. There are WAY bigger threats to Polaris' market share than Speed UTV. Your contention is Polaris is going to erode their margins to choke Speed out of the market because of spite? You know as well as I do that makes 0 business sense, and all Polaris has done is raise their MSRP prices, so that theory is blown out of the water anyway.

Polaris's efforts are better spent taking share back from Can Am, not from a limited amount of potential Speed buyers.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

You know how business works. You aren't going to spend millions of dollars and tons of effort to eliminate a "threat" to their share that does not exist. There are WAY bigger threats to their market share than Speed. Your contention is Polaris is going to erode their margins to choke Speed out of the market? All Polaris has done is raise their prices.

Polaris's efforts are better spent taking share back from Can Am.

Wrong again. What I said (months ago) was that "If Polaris wanted to, they could lower the price on this new whiz-bang XP and take that market share outta Speed".

And they could. But would they? probably not.

You're not looking at this objectively anymore. You go into "auto-defend" if you look back at my comments in this thread, (The sand show debacle excluded) You'd see that I'm remaining objective. I want the Market and the consumer to benefit.

My next car will be the best, most capable current offering.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Wrong again. What I said (months ago) was that "If Polaris wanted to, they could lower the price on this new whiz-bang XP and take that market share outta Speed".

And they could. But would they? probably not.

You're not looking at this objectively anymore. You go into "auto-defend" if you look back at my comments in this thread, (The sand show debacle excluded) You'd see that I'm remaining objective. I want the Market and the consumer to benefit.

My next car will be the best, most capable current offering.

No Steve.. I am looking at this completely objectively. You have 3 choices in business when you have a competitor toy want to eliminate -

A. Buy the competition
B. Lower your margin to beat the competition
C. Build a better product than the competition

What are the other options? What is it you think they (Polaris) is going to do as it relates to Speed? Only one of those options makes any sense.

Polaris again chose option C as evidenced today. They chose option C when Can Am came out with their X3 car too. If you ask anyone at Polaris they will tell you they have the "best car" in the industry and frankly they do. I don't think they have the best performing car though, although that might have changed today.

If you want the "best car" I'd go buy the Polaris. The Speed is not going to be the best all around car. It might be the best performing car, but we don't know yet.

Speed is not going to have the electronics or creature features the Polaris has. It is not going to be as refined as the Polaris.

Like I said, Polaris is letting their product do the talking, they are not worried about Speed.

 

[702sandman]

You had hinted earlier in the thread there were some things you couldn't talk about.

Do you have any knowledge of specific suspension geometry? Like track width change, toe change, camber change etc.

How about the cage? Fully welded is great but I would like to see some more cross bracing.

Also, seeing 29" of travel makes me nervous that the marketing department got ahold of development again and it will be dragging it's ass at full bump. Should be easily rectified, though.

The natural comparison is going to be Speed. I try to be unbiased and will call some things how I see below.

Frame: Push, us weekend warriors probably won't have issues with either
Cage: Speed
Electronics: Polaris (not close even close competition with Dynamix)
Engine: Push? Different philosophies to getting to a similar power number. The 2.0 polaris engine has been around the block a few times so should be proven platform. Speed seems well engineered and well tested to be reliable, but no customer data yet.
Transmission: Speed, that L, H, OD on the fly shifting is pretty slick
Suspension: Remains to be seen pending geometry of Polaris. Seems like the speed shocks should be better than standard walker evans stuff, Dynamix throws the book out the window.

All I know is, having competition at the top is good for all of us.

Polaris truly put so much into this RZR‘s suspension and it shows when driving it. They made the release so detail orientated this time. Go to you tube and check out the very detailed videos on each item, suspension, drive train , clutches etc for the exact specs. I honestly don’t think you will need to update hardly anything on this car except customization stuff.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Polaris truly put so much into this RZR‘s suspension and it shows when driving it. They made the release so detail orientated this time. Go to you tube and check out the very detailed videos on each item, suspension, drive train , clutches etc for the exact specs. I honestly don’t think you will need to update hardly anything on this car except customization stuff.

For the price that will be good.

Any idea if the springs are any good or still the china garbage that we will need to swap out?

 

[702sandman]

No Steve.. I am looking at this completely objectively. You have 3 choices in business when you have a competitor -

A. Buy the competition
B. Lower your margin to beat the competition
C. Build a better product than the competition

What are the other options? What is it you think they (Polaris) is going to do? Only one of those options makes any sense.

Polaris again chose option C as evidenced today. They chose option C when Can Am came out with their X3 car too. If you ask anyone at Polaris they will tell you they have the "best car" in the industry and frankly they do. I don't think they have the best performing car though, although that might have changed today.

If you want the "best car" I'd go buy the Polaris. The Speed is not going to be the best all around car. It might be the best performing car, but we don't know yet.

It is not going to have the electronics or creature features the Polaris has. It is not going to be as refined as the Polaris.

the hard part is you can’t even hypothetically compare this new car to a speed car since no one truly knows what the final product will be. I can tell you with 100% certainty this car will be the best on the market by far and yes I am biased but since I have been driving this beast for well over a year now I have not seen to many area that will need a upgrade to get it to work properly. So for now this is the top dawg in the sxs world as of today.

 

[702sandman]

For the price that will be good.

Any idea if the springs are any good or still the china garbage that we will need to swap out?

I would not change anything on the suspension at all. I do think the walker version still needs some tweaks but the fox version was dialed. Springs included

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

the hard part is you can’t even hypothetically compare this new car to a speed car since no one truly knows what the final product will be. I can tell you with 100% certainty this car will be the best on the market by far and yes I am biased but since I have been driving this beast for well over a year now I have not seen to many area that will need a upgrade to get it to work properly. So for now this is the top dawg in the sxs world as of today.

I agree. If I sell the Speed car, I am getting a 4 seat Turbo R I think.

@nganga this is pretty much what Polaris thinks of their product as well.

I would not change anything on the suspension at all. I do think the walker version still needs some tweaks but the fox version was dialed. Springs included

Good news. Kinda what I figured about the base Walker car.. likely will need valving and springs.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

I agree. If I sell the Speed car, I am getting a 4 seat Turbo R I think.

@nganga this is pretty much what Polaris thinks of their product as well.



Good news. Kinda what I figured about the base Walker car.. likely will need valving and springs.

I think we agree?? I don’t care what color it is as long as it’s the best current offering

 

[Tooned Up]

This has to be the best “BIG DICK” thread of 2021 and extremely entertaining to the ones who could care less about an overpriced golf cart.

Please carry on…

 

[702sandman]

There is so much good in this car I can’t wait for you guys to drive it. Here’s some pics of us in the video we filmed . My daughter driving in her car seen here

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

I think we agree?? I don’t care what color it is as long as it’s the best current offering

We do. I am just curious legitimately... what do you think Polaris is going to "do"?

My stance is that they have made their move.

I don't think one car is going to blow away another here performance wise... and Can Am's response is still a wild card.

Speed has all their cards on the table. They will just call it good at some point in the near future and start making cars. I've said it is going to be a little rough around the edges for well over a year.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

There is so much good in this car I can’t wait for you guys to drive it. Here’s some pics of us in the video we filmed . My daughter driving in her car seen here

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Aside from those suspension details you shared, do you have any overall thoughts on the Pro R with the longer wheelbase and the Turbo R?

They appear to have the same suspension design and components, is that correct? Obviously the Pro R has 44 more HP and is heavier.. anything else we should be aware of between the 2 cars at this point?

 

[satellitemike]

How do you two have so much free time to bitch?
You sound like a couple of school girls arguing about what really counts for it to be a blow job, spit, lick, suck?
Carry on!

 

[702sandman]

Aside from those suspension details you shared, do you have any overall thoughts on the Pro R with the longer wheelbase and the Turbo R?

They appear to have the same suspension design and components, is that correct? Obviously the Pro R has 44 more HP and is heavier.. anything else we should be aware of between the 2 cars at this point?

The turbo car is the same car from the motor mounts to the front basically the rear half is basically pro xp in the main rails, the rear suspension is pro R. The new cars have the power steering boxes mounted to the actual rack now which is different but not sure if better or worse. The steering feels locked in for sure. another awesome part is the alternator that is 1700 watts and if I remember correctly 130 amps so we will have tons of room to add accessories power wise. We drove them in 125+ degree heat in sand dunes and no over heating issues. The turbo r is a bad ass machine also but it is on the heavier side compared to what the power plant is used for currently (pro xp) so it will be similar feel power wise but a lot of upgrades in suspension etc. I can tell you I was hitting 3 foot whoops with zero pucker factor. My biggest take away is suspension.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

We do. I am just curious legitimately... what do you think Polaris is going to "do"?

My stance is that they have made their move.

I don't think one car is going to blow away another here performance wise... and Can Am's response is still a wild card.

Speed has all their cards on the table. They will just call it good at some point in the near future and start making cars. I've said it is going to be a little rough around the edges for well over a year.

Again, THIS was their move.

I’ll bet there’s another “move” already in the works.

BTW, I have a transmission for your car.

 

[77charger]

Larger engine are what they need.now get a trans in it

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

Again, THIS was their move.

I’ll bet there’s another “move” already in the works.

BTW, I have a transmission for your car.

We are in agreement. And they probably have a turbo version and a "transmission" car in the works. The platform is not gonna change for several years though.

Speed has a 1.3L short block they designed with the 1000 CC engine, so they may be ready for the next step as well, but they got to take the first step first.

What trans do you have? I will PM you.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

We are in agreement. And they probably have a turbo version and a "transmission" car in the works. The platform is not gonna change for several years though.

Speed has a 1.3L short block they designed with the 1000 CC engine, so they may be ready for the next step as well, but they got to take the first step first.

What trans do you have? I will PM you.

My transmission is blue

Sorry brother that was cruel.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

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My transmission is blue

Sorry brother that was cruel.

Why did I know something like that was coming .

 

[Taboma]

29" isn't real travel, it is "useable travel", that is Polaris marketing jargon. Speed car is wider, and does not drag its ass on the ground.

Polaris going past 1000cc is a real benefit for the industry. Helmet and other laws will likely change next week

Robby has a bigger optional short block in development as an option (who knows it might be standard next year), It was in the initial design plan 2 years ago.

Speed makes same power with more torque and wider power band on pump gas (because turbo).

Pro R will need a $7-$10K power adder to hang with a Speed Car with E85 in the tank making 300 HP with a simple key.

Try a little harder to be informed next time.

When they make a pump gas or E85 power option, do they make it more convenient to empty the tank by siphon or pump ?
As an example, I've got a couple of toys that in order to seasonally drain the tank, it's almost impossible to wrangle a decent size hose through the filler hose, so I've got to remove the hose at the tank.
I'd just think if you were using that as a both a marketing and performance carrot, you'd make it easy.

 

[DMF]

The turbo car is the same car from the motor mounts to the front basically the rear half is basically pro xp in the main rails, the rear suspension is pro R. The new cars have the power steering boxes mounted to the actual rack now which is different but not sure if better or worse. The steering feels locked in for sure. another awesome part is the alternator that is 1700 watts and if I remember correctly 130 amps so we will have tons of room to add accessories power wise. We drove them in 125+ degree heat in sand dunes and no over heating issues. The turbo r is a bad ass machine also but it is on the heavier side compared to what the power plant is used for currently (pro xp) so it will be similar feel power wise but a lot of upgrades in suspension etc. I can tell you I was hitting 3 foot whoops with zero pucker factor. My biggest take away is suspension.

Do you see any need for upgrades to the cage?

 

[702sandman]

If it was due to safety than no, it is a beefy 2” cage with no bolt points like previous years except where it attaches to the frame. it also has beefy gussets in the corners. I’m sure people will add cages for looks but it’s not needed for safety

Do you see any need for upgrades to the cage?

 

[Wmc]

I'm ready to go screw around. I might not be the fastest but I know I won’t be the slowest.
Rzr S

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

When they make a pump gas or E85 power option, do they make it more convenient to empty the tank by siphon or pump ?
As an example, I've got a couple of toys that in order to seasonally drain the tank, it's almost impossible to wrangle a decent size hose through the filler hose, so I've got to remove the hose at the tank.
I'd just think if you were using that as a both a marketing and performance carrot, you'd make it easy.

They have a flex fuel sensor so the car will sense how much alcohol is in the fuel and adjust boost and timing accordingly. You don’t have to siphon or drain the fuel.

 

[riverroyal]

Cliff notes..
LOF is selling his speed spot.
'Robbie' will be no longer be the innovative guru we heard about 2 years ago.
New can am x3 will be out before the speed

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Cliff notes..
LOF is selling his speed spot.
'Robbie' will be no longer be the innovative guru we heard about 2 years ago.
New can am x3 will be out before the speed

Robbie singing to LOF...

 

[NicPaus]

There is so much good in this car I can’t wait for you guys to drive it. Here’s some pics of us in the video we filmed . My daughter driving in her car seen here

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I know that kid in the picture from our River crew Riley.

 

[Flyinbowtie]

The unicorn is finally out from behind the curtain.
I think Polaris put more effort into this one than a lot of folks expected. I am sure it won't be perfect; none are, but it is a huge step forward and it will be fun to watch it hit the trails. The door on the 1000cc barrier has been breached, and you can bet there will be other mfgs coming through it.

I hear rumors that late 2022 or early 2023 Can Am is coming with a all new machine that some folks are calling "a monster".
I also heard that there is another Japanese manufacturer going to step in.

I think that Can Am will return fire first, and then, about 9 months later, Polaris will release the Turbo or Supercharged version of the 4 banger. You know they are 2 generations ahead of what is on the showroom, and the COVID deal gave them time to do development on new stuff. The aftermarket will turbo it first, then PoPo.

Competition is a wonderful thing. Fact is these things are morphing further and further away from the original SXS concept. Think about where we were just 8 years ago, the XP1000 hit the market and the Teryx and Rhino etc instantly became last decades news.
Now, we have stuff like this. As long as people keep signing up they'll keep building fancier stuff til the market between these and the "buggy" is blurred, or until people won't drop the $

I am gonna hang on to the Turbo S for a couple more years. Ashamed to say it has less than 1000 miles on it, just to much going on in life.
The next year is gonna be busy, I have begun packing up my shop and sorting through stuff (good gawd 40 years in one place) and cleaning.
House should go on the market (may already be sold, I dunno) next spring and we will be outta here. Once we get moved and settled in I am gonna buy me a new pavement toy. I want either a lo mile cherry 2012-13 Corvette Grand Sport or a nearly new Challenger Scat Pack Shaker, we shall see where I land.
Cindy and I want a road car we can have fun with. The Last Hot Rod, so to speak.
After that, we'll see who is in the king o the hill position.

 

[TPC]

Lo


What happens when rzr makes a turbo 2.0 down the road. Hmmm

If not ordered with the race key I can't see the point of ordering a Speed.

With the new Rzr all we're going the hear about: "When's the turbo coming out" along with how the aftermarket turbo kits don't quite work without issues..
The sleeper in all this is Yamaha.
Not a bad SXS with the YXZ and not a bad price point either.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

“

The unicorn is finally out from behind the curtain.
I think Polaris put more effort into this one than a lot of folks expected. I am sure it won't be perfect; none are, but it is a huge step forward and it will be fun to watch it hit the trails. The door on the 1000cc barrier has been breached, and you can bet there will be other mfgs coming through it.

I hear rumors that late 2022 or early 2023 Can Am is coming with a all new machine that some folks are calling "a monster".
I also heard that there is another Japanese manufacturer going to step in.

I think that Can Am will return fire first, and then, about 9 months later, Polaris will release the Turbo or Supercharged version of the 4 banger. You know they are 2 generations ahead of what is on the showroom, and the COVID deal gave them time to do development on new stuff. The aftermarket will turbo it first, then PoPo.

Competition is a wonderful thing. Fact is these things are morphing further and further away from the original SXS concept. Think about where we were just 8 years ago, the XP1000 hit the market and the Teryx and Rhino etc instantly became last decades news.
Now, we have stuff like this. As long as people keep signing up they'll keep building fancier stuff til the market between these and the "buggy" is blurred, or until people won't drop the $

I am gonna hang on to the Turbo S for a couple more years. Ashamed to say it has less than 1000 miles on it, just to much going on in life.
The next year is gonna be busy, I have begun packing up my shop and sorting through stuff (good gawd 40 years in one place) and cleaning.
House should go on the market (may already be sold, I dunno) next spring and we will be outta here. Once we get moved and settled in I am gonna buy me a new pavement toy. I want either a lo mile cherry 2012-13 Corvette Grand Sport or a nearly new Challenger Scat Pack Shaker, we shall see where I land.
Cindy and I want a road car we can have fun with. The Last Hot Rod, so to speak.
After that, we'll see who is in the king o the hill position.

”Polaris doesn’t care” - LOF

Great insight BTW.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

”Polaris doesn’t care” - LOF

Great insight BTW.

Why would they, the have the best car on the market

 

[Joe mama]

So with this being a 2.0L does this mean no helmet required?

 

[HB2Havasu]

So with this being a 2.0L does this mean no helmet required?

In accordance with today’s backwards helmet law the answer is yes. Although I’ve never understood why a vehicle with more than 1000cc doesn’t require a helmet is beyond my 2 brain cells to comprehend, lol.

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

Why would they, the have the best car on the market

You're half-way there. They have the best car on the market because they care about small, insignificant competitors becoming big, significant competitors. "Win on Sunday" remember?

If Polaris R&D just scoffed off Speed and others, and simply figured "We're Polaris, we are big and don't care" they would not be who they are today. Continuous improvements, innovation and R&D money will keep them as the standard bearer.

I love to watch the outcomes of these type things. Whether they are cars, boats, kayaks or bicycles, there are lessons to be learned for those who care to watch. I have run my business this way since its beginning. We were Speed and became Polaris all because the big guy didn't think we mattered.

In the end, its is all of us who will be rewarded. There is some super bad-ass stuff coming our way to enjoy and I for one cannot wait.

 

[yz450mm]

If not ordered with the race key I can't see the point of ordering a Speed.

With the new Rzr all we're going the hear about: "When's the turbo coming out" along with how the aftermarket turbo kits don't quite work without issues..
The sleeper in all this is Yamaha.
Not a bad SXS with the YXZ and not a bad price point either.

Yamaha might have something up their sleeve...

They released all their other 2022 side by sides, but refuse to say anything or give any updates about the yxz.

So the internet Rumor Mill says that they are either going to drop it for some reason, or they've got a new model coming out that could be pretty badass.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You're half-way there. They have the best car on the market because they care about small, insignificant competitors becoming big, significant competitors. "Win on Sunday" remember?

If Polaris R&D just scoffed off Speed and others, and simply figured "We're Polaris, we are big and don't care" they would not be who they are today. Continuous improvements, innovation and R&D money will keep them as the standard bearer.

I love to watch the outcomes of these type things. Whether they are cars, boats, kayaks or bicycles, there are lessons to be learned for those who care to watch. I have run my business this way since its beginning. We were Speed and became Polaris all because the big guy didn't think we mattered.

In the end, its is all of us who will be rewarded. There is some super bad-ass stuff coming our way to enjoy and I for one cannot wait.

That is not evidenced by the past at Polaris.. at all. Can Am ate into their share the last 5 years... Can Am still wins more on Sunday.

You were claiming they were going to put effort into eliminating Speed as a company - they won't.

I claimed that Polaris will come to market with what they think is a better product. Polaris does not care that Speed as a company exists, they are aware of their potential offering and would respond. They care about making "the best product".

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

That is not evidenced by the past at Polaris.. at all. Can Am ate into their share the last 5 years... Can Am still wins more on Sunday.

You were claiming they were going to put effort into eliminating Speed as a company - they won't.

I claimed that Polaris will come to market with what they think is a better product. Polaris does not care that Speed as a company exists, they are aware of their potential offering and would respond. They care about making "the best product".

You're picking the fly shit out of the pepper. "Polaris, in order to remain market leader, needs to respond to any and all threats." That includes; Can-Am, Speed, Yamaha, Honda, and even all "whisper campaign" competitors as yet to be named.

If they don't have a very strong finger on the pulse of the industry, they will lose even more market share. And no, they probably don't care that Speed exists. They care that the Speed car exists and it was likely better than their prior stuff.

Wanna talk boats instead?

This is a circular discussion going no-place.

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You're picking the fly shit out of the pepper. "Polaris, in order to remain market leader, needs to respond to any and all threats." That includes; Can-Am, Speed, Yamaha, Honda, and even all "whisper campaign" competitors as yet to be named.

If they don't have a very strong finger on the pulse of the industry, they will lose even more market share. And no, they probably don't care that Speed exists. They care that the Speed car exists and was likely better then their prior stuff.

Wanna talk boats instead?

This is a circular discussion going no-place.

I think we both are. My point is that I never ever claimed Speed was going to be a market threat to Polaris, and I never said Polaris would not respond to Speed's offering. I've said quite the opposite dozens of times. You said in the other thread my position is "evolving"... No. I just think you are realizing I'm not as biased as 5 people on a boating forum say that I am.

Am I bullish on the Speed car ? Sure. But I have always had an exit plan if it went sideways. Why do you think I'm paying so much attention to the development.... So I can be the first one out before the fall

 

[RiverDave]

That is where the 4 cylinder was derived from, but it is smaller, at 1.3L? Or is it the 2.0? The 2.0 in the slingshot makes 203 HP.
220 HP out of 1.3 L NA... is a lot.

I don’t think they can make that kinda go out of a NA motor if it’s 1.3?