Parkland, Florida shooting

[SBMech]

Not much until he commits a crime. He was an adult so its not like the parents can be responsible and he didn't have any. The police, the FBI, the schools administration all failed these kids. The easy response is gun control but what keeps him from sitting in a uhaul and taking out kids as they pour out the front door. The death count could have been higher in that situation. Guy obviously needed counseling or maybe just needed a girlfriend. Your question is at the crux of the matter. We knew and yet it still happened. Now what? Taking away guns is something that most of us including myself quickly rally behind but suspicion of committing an act? That is far scarier in my mind. Someone thinks I may do something and I am prosecuted for it? I would rather live in a world without guns than that alternative. In short I don't have an answer to what in reality is the question that needs to be answered.

Society failed, not any law. People who saw the writing on the wall, including the FBI, turned a blind eye.

1861 people died from gunshot wounds last year. 20x more people (41,000) die every year from 2nd hand smoke inhalation than are shot and killed.

35,000 last year from car accidents. 10,265 were killed in DUI related incidences. 2200 died from alcohol poisoning.

480,000 a year die from smoking.

You want to save lives? Bring back prohibition and outlaw cigarettes, keep your tiny little grubby paws off my guns.

Ahh that's right...alcohol and cigs have their hands in every back pocket in DC. But lets outlaw guns...yea that will fix it!

Horrible to say but these people that want to hurt others could inflict much more damage and deaths if they just ran people over with a truck or SUV. Imagine the carnage if he had mowed over 500 kids as they were getting out of school.

 

[ToMorrow44]

Society failed, not any law. People who saw the writing on the wall, including the FBI, turned a blind eye.

1861 people died from gunshot wounds last year. 20x more people (41,000) die every year from 2nd hand smoke inhalation than are shot and killed.

35,000 last year from car accidents. 10,265 were killed in DUI related incidences. 2200 died from alcohol poisoning.

480,000 a year die from smoking.

You want to save lives? Bring back prohibition and outlaw cigarettes, keep your tiny little grubby paws off my guns.

Ahh that's right...alcohol and cigs have their hands in every back pocket in DC. But lets outlaw guns...yea that will fix it!

Horrible to say but these people that want to hurt others could inflict much more damage and deaths if they just ran people over with a truck or SUV. Imagine the carnage if he had mowed over 500 kids as they were getting out of school.

Lets not forget the #1 killer of Americans, heart disease! 610,000 every year. Ban McDonalds!!

 

[Outdrive1]

So what’s the solution here. One of these guys was finally tagged ahead of time, and nothing was done to stop it. What can actually be done about this from a legal stand point?

Well for one. Trump signed an EO to reverse a law that made it harder for mentally ill people to pass a background check. I’d reinstate that. The reality is though that laws will never keep guns out of the hands of someone who can’t legally own one. So that’s not a fail safe, but the fact that he was known to the FBI, and posted shit on social media with guns and threatening to shoot up a school, someone should have gone and locked him up or got a court order to remove his arsenal. Maybe that law would have given the FBI the power to do that?? Idk.

One a second thought. Close all campuses. Have an armed guard/Leo at the entrance. It’s not like every school doesn’t have fire sprinklers. I think the odds of kids being trapped in a fire, in a building with fire suppression, has got to be pretty low. I’d take the risk and have an exit with armed guard.


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[TCHB]

Well for one. Trump signed an EO to reverse a law that made it harder for mentally ill people to pass a background check. I’d reinstate that. The reality is though that laws will never keep guns out of the hands of someone who can’t legally own one. So that’s not a fail safe, but the fact that he was known to the FBI, and posted shit on social media with guns and threatening to shoot up a school, someone should have gone and locked him up or got a court order to remove his arsenal. Maybe that Jae would have given the FBI the power to do that?? Idk.

One a second thought. Close all campuses. Have an armed guard/Leo at the entrance. It’s not like every school doesn’t have fire sprinklers. I think the odds of kids being trapped in a fire, in a building with fire suppression, has got to be pretty low. I’d take the risk and have an exit with armed guard.


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When school gets out the parking lots of full of students. If this guy has a high powered weapon in his hands not much is going to stop him. We really need a strong effort to stop this from happening. I can remember back in my day there were guys that were pretty scary but at that time all the had were knives.

 

[rvir4us]

To get into angel stadium, Honda Center , staples center, any airport or any concert venue, fucking Disneyland or anywhere else for that matter(including jail) you have to go thru a metal detector and a weapons screening checkpoint to get by. I say let’s do that for schools too. Kids aren’t intimidated by that policy of screening anymore. It’s engrained in every day life for most kids now. And have armed guards, police what have you stationed at those locations ensuring the safety of the attendees and students. It would be easy to do and would ensure safety.

 

[Classic Daycruiser]

Saw this on Facebook today.

“We should arm every teacher!” ?

Those bastards won’t even buy them pencils and printer ink...now they got the budget for Glocks?

 

[Activated]

The very first step is never mentioning the name of the shooter. I refer to the Las Vegas shooter as the Vegas coward...this guy will be the Parkland coward.

They think they will be famous, and in their deranged minds, that is all they have to live for. This kid needed some help, and didn't get it.

 

[SBMech]

When school gets out the parking lots of full of students. If this guy has a high powered weapon in his hands not much is going to stop him. We really need a strong effort to stop this from happening. I can remember back in my day there were guys that were pretty scary but at that time all the had were knives.

I don't know where you grew up, but I had a shotgun and a 30-30 in my truck at school in my gun rack. Lots of kids did. There has been 300 million guns in the USA for decades. The only difference now is that if anyone in my day picked up a gun in anger, you might not ever see them again, as their Dad might fucking bury them in the back yard for breaking the #1 Cardinal Rule of gun ownership passed down properly.

 

[Outdrive1]

I don't know where you grew up, but I had a shotgun and a 30-30 in my truck at school in my gun rack. Lots of kids did. There has been 300 million guns in the USA for decades. The only difference now is that if anyone in my day picked up a gun in anger, you might not ever see them again, as their Dad might fucking bury them in the back yard for breaking the #1 Cardinal Rule of gun ownership passed down properly.

It’s a felony to carry a fire arm at a school now.

It would be ridiculous to arm kids. It’s a different day and age for sure and rural small town type areas where everyone knows everyone is way different than inner city areas.


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[Cdog]

Saw this on Facebook today.

“We should arm every teacher!” ?

Those bastards won’t even buy them pencils and printer ink...now they got the budget for Glocks?

I agree. Arming teachers just to do so is stupid. However if certain teachers want to go through the training and are mentally fit for the responsibilities then I say welcome. They can be a valuable asset to the LE that should be on every campus.

Predators just have to get lucky once. The more back up the good guys have the better.

 

[mjc]

I will post this again
https://www.cchrint.org/school
Adhd drugs cause more problems that nobody wants to talk about. Most of the young shooters have been in them. Read up on it.

 

[Sandlord]

Saw this on Facebook today.

“We should arm every teacher!” ?

Those bastards won’t even buy them pencils and printer ink...now they got the budget for Glocks?

I know almost a dozen teachers
I wouldnt give any of them a gun.

 

[Outdrive1]

So if a teacher is standing in a hallway during an active shooting with a gun and a LEO enters. How do they know who the teacher is and if they should be there with a gun? What if the LEO shoots the teacher?


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[ONE-A-DAY]

If you have Sirius xm toggle back and forth between Fox News 115 and cnn 116, amazing to see how different the reporting is on this.

 

[Jimmy]

Gun control might help situations like this.

 

[copterzach]

It’s a felony to carry a fire arm at a school now.



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I know that. But if it’s concealed and no one knows...


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[CigAjerk]

So if a teacher is standing in a hallway during an active shooting with a gun and a LEO enters. How do they know who the teacher is and if they should be there with a gun? What if the LEO shoots the teacher?


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Please explain exactly what you envision here.

A teacher trembling and crying, loosely holding a gun pointed towards the floor, skittish and flinching to any little noise, cautiously poking around hallways and doors?

or

A teacher who is confidently holding a gun, constantly scanning, helping/protecting students/faculty and even using hand gestures or eye contact communicating with a LEO along with not pointing a gun at them?

 

[was thatguy]

So if a teacher is standing in a hallway during an active shooting with a gun and a LEO enters. How do they know who the teacher is and if they should be there with a gun? What if the LEO shoots the teacher?


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Is the teacher the active shooter?

 

[copterzach]

Please explain exactly what you envision

A teacher who is confidently holding a gun, constantly scanning, helping/protecting students/faculty and even using hand gestures or eye contact communicating with a LEO along with not pointing a gun at them?

I think that if the students and parents all know that all of the teaching staff is carrying it would defer this BS.

How many mass shootings happen at gun shows? Shooting ranges? Police stations?


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[ChumpChange]

How many mass shootings happen at gun shows? Shooting ranges? Police stations?

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[Old Texan]

By placing the entirety of emphasis on guns and gun laws, how can an effective plan be established to sort out the mentally disturbed pulling the triggers?

I am pro guns but I'm not letting that distract me from what the real issue is in every case, a mentally disturbed person who needs to be identified and helped.

As far as schools and churches and other areas where the shootings take place, we can find ways to secure them. We can find ways to keep guns and gun bearing loons out of any where. We can eliminate all gun sales. We can confiscate all guns. We can disarm LE and even the military when they are not in war zones.

BUT we will still have violent mentally disturbed people that want to harm others. That is the issue and nothing else....Focus on the root problem is the only way to prevent more violence.

Are there more crazy people per capita then in the past? If so why? Find the cause to solve the issue. Do not allow a variable of the issue distract from the root cause of the issue or we'll never solve the issue. It's that simple......

 

[WhatExit?]

can i ask a dumb question?

what do the Brinks money guys carry when picking up loot from the banks??

better yet what do the banks have sitting in the lobby and what are they carrying?

security guards with guns

is there a reason for this?

can they be protecting something from someone??

Wait. Are you criticizing banks for protecting their valuable money with armed guards?
And why would you compare banks protecting their money with armed guards to schools not protecting their kids with armed guards? I don't get it.

 

[t&y]

So if a teacher is standing in a hallway during an active shooting with a gun and a LEO enters. How do they know who the teacher is and if they should be there with a gun? What if the LEO shoots the teacher?


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There is this little thing called TRAINING that we do for that exact reason. It's not as simple as most would think.

 

[Outdrive1]

Is the teacher the active shooter?

Not in my scenario but how would you know if they were or not?




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[Outdrive1]

There is this little thing called TRAINING that we do for that exact reason. It's not as simple as most would think.

Do you advocate arming teachers?


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[t&y]

Do you advocate arming teachers?


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Fuck an A, YES I DO. But just like I don't advocate a toddler to fix the engine in my boat, I wouldn't advocate a liberal minded fuck stick to protect my children with a gun.

 

[Outdrive1]

Please explain exactly what you envision here.

A teacher trembling and crying, loosely holding a gun pointed towards the floor, skittish and flinching to any little noise, cautiously poking around hallways and doors?

or

A teacher who is confidently holding a gun, constantly scanning, helping/protecting students/faculty and even using hand gestures or eye contact communicating with a LEO along with not pointing a gun at them?

Lol. I can see my high school teachers clearing rooms and hallways like a swat team. Some of my teachers taught my mom, that tells you how old they were. They could barely hold an eraser much less a gun.



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[coolchange]

I know quite a few teachers, there's only two that I would trust with a gun. Hell they could be carrying now for all I know.
I don't see how anybody thinks they can offer an opinion to the solution if you don't have all the information. Until they release toxicology reports on all these fockers the opinion on gun control is not valid.
Why do all these guys have the same wide-eyed crazy look on their faces?

 

[t&y]

I know quite a few teachers, there's only two that I would trust with a gun. Hell they could be carrying now for all I know.
I don't see how anybody thinks they can offer an opinion to the solution if you don't have all the information. Until they release toxicology reports on all these fockers the opinion on gun control is not valid.
Why do all these guys have the same wide-eyed crazy look on their faces?

"Wide-eyed crazy look" Wait a minute, are you trying to figure out why a deranged person would do some deranged shit? Let's keep this on topic, it's the guns fault.

 

[milkmoney]

Fuck an A, YES I DO. But just like I don't advocate a toddler to fix the engine in my boat, I wouldn't advocate a liberal minded fuck stick to protect my children with a gun.

Lol. U said fuckstick. [emoji202]

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[Old Texan]

Let's stop and think this teacher with a gun deal out a bit more. Again, I am pro gun. I am also very concerned with those who carry and handle guns to be "pros" in their responsibility to do so.

Not everyone is capable of handing guns responsibly is my biggest concern and it's based on observation and experience. I think that if teachers are licensed to carry, they need to be willing to be licensed to carry. It should never be mandatory for any teacher to carry, but if guns are going to be brought into the schools by teachers, "all" teachers must be required to take the gun safety courses and a special course added to focus on "in school carry" specifically.

By having the teachers who do not choose to carry take a course, the emphasis will be on them understanding the gun functions and how to handle a situation they might need to pick up a gun and safely secure it .

Now all that being said, teachers should not be the primary defense in the schools, that task must be undertaken by professional security. Not "mall cops", real LE or private security that have extensive training.

As far as how to ID teachers with guns, to me it would be prudent for teachers carrying to have a vest or clothing identifying them as such. Maybe all teachers need to have a vest or blazer IDing them as teachers.

 

[HotRod82]

How about every school has a security office with video monitors that cover the entire campus, 2 real cops, locked doors, and a proper fence? If we have enough money to bomb Afghanistan for 20 straight years we have enough money to Harden up our schools. The first thing we do everywhere a terror attack is committed is HARDEN THE TARGET. Why the hell are we not hardening the schools? Seems so simple to me......

 

[t&y]

Lol. I can see my high school teachers clearing rooms and hallways like a swat team. Some of my teachers taught my mom, that tells you how old they were. They could barely hold an eraser much less a gun.



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Training... That crazy word again. When is the last time you went to a gun range, or shooting in the desert? Is it only young military style people shooting? My grandpa in his 80's could outshoot me from a stationary position. Would I expect him to go bound and cover aggressing a threat? No, he's not the right tool for that job. But could he hold static position and snipe the little fuck stick murderer as he (the fuck stick) was moving into room or hallway? Yeah, probably better than most. You need to expand you mind here dude, it's not hollywood movie drama.

 

[t&y]

Let's stop and think this teacher with a gun deal out a bit more. Again, I am pro gun. I am also very concerned with those who carry and handle guns to be "pros" in their responsibility to do so.

Not everyone is capable of handing guns responsibly is my biggest concern and it's based on observation and experience. I think that if teachers are licensed to carry, they need to be willing to be licensed to carry. It should never be mandatory for any teacher to carry, but if guns are going to be brought into the schools by teachers, "all" teachers must be required to take the gun safety courses and a special course added to focus on "in school carry" specifically.

By having the teachers who do not choose to carry take a course, the emphasis will be on them understanding the gun functions and how to handle a situation they might need to pick up a gun and safely secure it .

Now all that being said, teachers should not be the primary defense in the schools, that task must be undertaken by professional security. Not "mall cops", real LE or private security that have extensive training.

As far as how to ID teachers with guns, to me it would be prudent for teachers carrying to have a vest or clothing identifying them as such. Maybe all teachers need to have a vest or blazer IDing them as teachers.

I don't think anyone is advocating every teacher be armed. Many would probably shake in fear at the sign of gun. But giving them that option to be armed, followed by required yearly training can't hurt the situation. Our school infrastructure across the nation is lacking. That is a big part of the problem. Kids school finally got secuirity fences and gates at the entrances. They aren't high enough to completely lock it down, but better than nothing. That is a start.

 

[TeamGreene]

Fuck an A, YES I DO. But just like I don't advocate a toddler to fix the engine in my boat, I wouldn't advocate a liberal minded fuck stick to protect my children with a gun.

Why don't we listen to the ones that are on the street and have the most experience? Oh ya I forgot the liberal asshats are always the smartest ones in the room bar none.

Our Sheriff wants the right people to get CCW and be trained. Kinda blows the fuck out of the less guns safer crowd narrative.

 

[ONE-A-DAY]

I’m going to use “fuckstick” in a sentance today. Thank you.

 

[DaveC]

hmmmm. What would the Israelis do?

 

[Outdrive1]

Fuck an A, YES I DO. But just like I don't advocate a toddler to fix the engine in my boat, I wouldn't advocate a liberal minded fuck stick to protect my children with a gun.

Interesting perspective from a LEO. So just registered Republican teachers get the guns? How about the janitors? Lunch ladies? Recess monitors???

I’m not against it, just can’t wrap my head around how you train them and what kind of background checks you’d have to do as well.


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[Outdrive1]

Training... That crazy word again. When is the last time you went to a gun range, or shooting in the desert? Is it only young military style people shooting? My grandpa in his 80's could outshoot me from a stationary position. Would I expect him to go bound and cover aggressing a threat? No, he's not the right tool for that job. But could he hold static position and snipe the little fuck stick murderer as he (the fuck stick) was moving into room or hallway? Yeah, probably better than most. You need to expand you mind here dude, it's not hollywood movie drama.

I’m ex Army, I’ve had plenty of training. Plus I hunted since I was a toddler. I’m sure your grandpa was just as comfortable around guns as I am.


There’s the problem in your post. Not only do they need training they would need a certain amount of time at the range over certain periods of time and on going training. You’re going to give a teacher a gun in a crowded area full of kids and ask him to shoot a threat without killing any kids or ? You know as well as I do walls don’t stop bullets like they do in the movies. I don’t think you could have a high enough level
of training to make them “safe” IMO. All this money nationwide to train all these teachers could be spent to hire more officers and place them in schools imo.


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[Singleton]

Well for one. Trump signed an EO to reverse a law that made it harder for mentally ill people to pass a background check. I’d reinstate that. The reality is though that laws will never keep guns out of the hands of someone who can’t legally own one. So that’s not a fail safe, but the fact that he was known to the FBI, and posted shit on social media with guns and threatening to shoot up a school, someone should have gone and locked him up or got a court order to remove his arsenal. Maybe that law would have given the FBI the power to do that?? Idk.

One a second thought. Close all campuses. Have an armed guard/Leo at the entrance. It’s not like every school doesn’t have fire sprinklers. I think the odds of kids being trapped in a fire, in a building with fire suppression, has got to be pretty low. I’d take the risk and have an exit with armed guard.


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Let’s add the facts now. It was not a EO, it was a bill (HJ Res 40) passed by the house and congress then signed by the president. It was finalized in December 2016 and signed in Feb 2017 and added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database (estimate was 75k people in total). It excluded all other mental health risks and Trumps has stated a new bill is needed that address other mental risk factors.

 

[DrunkenSailor]

P.E. Teachers will suddenly feel important again.

 

[Outdrive1]

Training... That crazy word again. When is the last time you went to a gun range, or shooting in the desert? Is it only young military style people shooting? My grandpa in his 80's could outshoot me from a stationary position. Would I expect him to go bound and cover aggressing a threat? No, he's not the right tool for that job. But could he hold static position and snipe the little fuck stick murderer as he (the fuck stick) was moving into room or hallway? Yeah, probably better than most. You need to expand you mind here dude, it's not hollywood movie drama.

So do the teachers were a side arm? Or lock it in a box somewhere? Or do they carry a shotgun slung on their shoulder?

You can’t even paddle kids now, but Mr Johnson walking around the class with his Mossberg all fitted with tactical gear is going to be awesome. Those little fuckwads will never talk back. [emoji106]




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[RCDave]

Teachers carrying is never going to happen. Image the personal liability issues. A cop can justifiably discharge a gun and in almost every instance they get sued.

 

[Taboma]

How about every school has a security office with video monitors that cover the entire campus, 2 real cops, locked doors, and a proper fence? If we have enough money to bomb Afghanistan for 20 straight years we have enough money to Harden up our schools. The first thing we do everywhere a terror attack is committed is HARDEN THE TARGET. Why the hell are we not hardening the schools? Seems so simple to me......

Shelby High School, Indiana ---- http://fox59.com/2014/09/08/exclusi...utionary-security-system-to-thwart-shootings/

 

[t&y]

Interesting perspective from a LEO. So just registered Republican teachers get the guns? How about the janitors? Lunch ladies? Recess monitors???

I’m not against it, just can’t wrap my head around how you train them and what kind of background checks you’d have to do as well.


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Ahh shit, you got me. I'm not a registered Republican so I guess I'll just quit my job and turn in my guns.

Janitor, Sure, Lunch Ladies, You betcha, Recess monitor, Hell YES!

Again, it's not hollywood. The kind of people who would want to carry are the people who go to the training. There are a ton of shooting classes available all the time. It's not just LEO that put them on. The reoccurring training, or training with LEO already take place where I work at least once a year. Am I expecting a teacher to jump in our formation and go hunt? Nope, but if we can provide them with a tool to protect our kids until we get there I'd really like to hear an argument against it. Teach them how to respond, what to expect from LEO, and what they should do in the mean time. Communication across the campus is the #1 priorty. Secure doors, hallways, etc is the next.

Problem with the most recent one was he pulled the fire alarm. Maybe we should ban those too now because it was used in Mass Shooting at a school...

 

[LHC30]

Some food for thought from Artemis Defense Institute:

"As you can imagine, we have been inundated over the last 24 hours with emails and phone calls regarding the events that have unfolded in Florida.

Many of our clients have been screaming about the fact that CCW holders were not present to stop the shooter. Many have questioned why, with an SRO (School Resource Officer) present on campus, there was no contact made with the shooter. These are reasonable questions being asked out of anger and frustration.

Others have asked the more prescient question: What can we do?

First, we must acknowledge where we have failed…. and yes… we have failed.

We have failed as parents, and as you know, Sandy and I are devoted parents… to a point.

We have a business… actually multiple businesses… and we are often sitting at the dinner table talking about the events and strategies necessary to run a business; this is often at the exclusion of our daughter. What has happened in her life, and at her school, has too often taken second chair to what Sandy and I want to talk about.

Are there monsters at her school?

Perhaps, but we would never know now, would we?

Many of the students in Florida have reported that they knew that the shooter was a loose cannon ready to go off. How many of their parents knew the same thing?

We, as a society, have abdicated our roles as parents to the worst possible surrogates: ”others”; these take the form of schools, nannies, day care… anyone we can drop our kids off with, and get on with our lives. Then, there are the truly insidious “others”: the Internet and video games. These incubators of anti-social behavior serve limited purpose, and potentially can create the atmosphere necessary for the socially awkward to grow into the socially malignant.

Drugs/narcotics (both legal and illegal), gangs, pornography, malicious violent video games, and the “juvenalization” of adults, while at the same time the “adultification” of juveniles, have all contributed to the toxic environment where a monster can rise up before us. We live in a world where young adults expect to be “taken care of”… and where children have been exposed to, and vicariously participate in, simulated acts of sex and violence that would make a sociologist cringe.

So should trained teachers be allowed to carry concealed on campus?

Perhaps we should ask the mourning parents of Sandy Hook, of Marshall High School, of Belmont High School, and now the parents of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Arron Feis, an assistant coach and security guard at the school, was killed throwing himself over students in an effort to protect them. His bravery is to be honored. The fact that he was neutered by the State is something to be scorned. How many children throughout the years would be alive today if teachers, themselves, were the armed first responders? How many monsters would have been deterred if they knew their assaults would be thwarted instantly?

We learn from after-action investigations.

The shooter in Florida used our defensive measures against us. He pulled the fire alarm knowing how students would respond.

Lessons must be learned from this.

We must allow for an instant armed response. If that is to be relegated exclusively to armed security in the form of law enforcement constantly present on campus in numbers that are meaningful… so be it. If that means armed teachers… so be it, too. If the individual States are squeamish about letting those to whom we entrust our children have the tools necessary to preserve human life, then we should bypass the States entirely, and have a Federal CCW that preempts State law on where guns can be carried.

Our children, too, must be educated from an early age.

Knowledge of skill at arms is not something that should be gained exclusively as an adult. Gun safety, and gun respect, should be something that every child has upon graduating from elementary school. For some, their interest in firearms will never go beyond that point. For others, they may enjoy a lifetime of recreational shooting. For a small few, they may be the individuals who someday save the lives of others.

The cacophony of those calling for the banning of weapons has hit a crescendo. Of course it has… for blaming an object is far easier then blaming ourselves.

Political correctness has officially evolved into a suicide pact. When we are so hesitant to call out the abnormal, so resistant to judge that which is abhorrent, unless the abhorrence exists outside of our political agenda… we sow the seeds of destruction not just of our society, but when the barbarian arrives at our door… to our own very existence.

We hear that the shooter was bullied.

Perhaps… and perhaps not. Bullying is a social act of violence (and at times a physical one) that creates a zero sum game. Bullies are elevated in what they perceive to be social acceptance… and the direct expense of the outlier who sees their own social status diminished. No one wants to be bullied… and no one wants to know his or her child is bullied. (That is a pain that few parents can endure.) If a child is bullied, those who are charged with protecting children should have a fiduciary duty to rain down pain so hard on the instigator that the very idea of being a bully is fraught with so much risk, that it rarely enters the minds of the tormentors.

But to truly inoculate your children from this, there needs to be a sea of change in our society. It cannot come exclusively from the schools. Though to be sure, the schools can hinder it…. and if they do, they need to be held accountable.

Spend time with your children.

Listen to them.

When they tell you something… anything… that is concerning, report it.

Demand your schools train.

FEMA put out its now famous, “Run, Hide, Fight” protocol.

Demand that the schools practice and prepare for the “Run.”

Demand that the schools practice and prepare for the “Hide.”

Then…. ask them about the “Fight.”

Who is training them on this third critical component? To what types of weapons are teachers and SROs given access? What improvised weapons are the children being educated in? If their answer is silence… as too often it is… petition the school board. If that does not work, join the School Board!

When a politician tells you that the problem is firearms, and the easy access people have to get them, give $100 to his or her political opponent.

The stakes are too great for platitudes and sophomoric answers. We must nurture our children at home to ensure that they have the mental toughness and moral righteousness to grow into the citizens of tomorrow. We must demand that those in whom we entrust our children have the ability, mental resolve, and most of all, the tools necessary to protect them when all other options have been exhausted."

 

[t&y]

I’m ex Army, I’ve had plenty of training. Plus I hunted since I was a toddler. I’m sure your grandpa was just as comfortable around guns as I am.


There’s the problem in your post. Not only do they need training they would need a certain amount of time at the range over certain periods of time and on going training. You’re going to give a teacher a gun in a crowded area full of kids and ask him to shoot a threat without killing any kids or ? You know as well as I do walls don’t stop bullets like they do in the movies. I don’t think you could have a high enough level
of training to make them “safe” IMO. All this money nationwide to train all these teachers could be spent to hire more officers and place them in schools imo.


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Oh ok. So I guess because there are risks we should just keep up with the current and not give them another option. That is the problem.

You and I go to lunch. Fuck stick walks in and starts shooting. I guess we just sit there and don't do anything becuase someone might get hurt? Are you actually thinking this through or just responding?

 

[Sandlord]

So the cops visited this guys house 39 times, He was expelled from the school, and the FBI was notified that he wanted to be a school shooter.
Perhaps if the FBI wasn't spending so much of its time and resources trying to frame the President, they would have spent a little more time investigating this guy.
The shooter bears the most responsibility, but he FBI also bears a lot of responsibility for the deaths of these children

 

[Outdrive1]

Oh ok. So I guess because there are risks we should just keep up with the current and not give them another option. That is the problem.

You and I go to lunch. Fuck stick walks in and starts shooting. I guess we just sit there and don't do anything becuase someone might get hurt? Are you actually thinking this through or just responding?

You and I, I trust. I said I wasn’t against it in theory. It’s not going to be as easy as handing out sawed off shotguns with the teachers curriculum every year. It’s going to cost big money to train and vet these teachers. Money that might be better spent on other alternatives.


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[Outdrive1]

Shelby High School, Indiana ---- http://fox59.com/2014/09/08/exclusi...utionary-security-system-to-thwart-shootings/

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