On the Mexico and Canada Tariffs

[Racey]

Shutting yore open border down globalhomo….

Mexico gets nothing, we get them to send 10,000 troops up the border to help secure it, cost Trump literally zero.

You can call me a cheap tortilla all day long if thats the kinda deals getting done.

 

[samsah33]

My take-away from this thread is that sure, prices will increase and so will corporate profits, so while I'm paying more at the grocery store, my portfolio and 401(k) will be skyrocketing... Doesn't really sound quite like the Armageddon that everyone is predicting, especially given that Mexico just caved and will now send troops to their US border...

 

[Mr. Jones]

That's weak. Mexico just ate his lunch again, like they did with that border wall they were supposed to pay for. 10,000 troops, some of which are going to be linked to cartels anyway, is nothing. Most of those troops will be support troops.

To not look like he's bluffing, he should have stayed strong to get more concessions. Perhaps 50,000 troops on the border, the border wall they never paid for, an the capture and extradition of the leaders in top lieutenants of each cartel.

I don't always agree with his methods, but he needs to stay strong when dealing with foreign leaders regardless.

 

[regor]

That's weak. Mexico just ate his lunch again, like they did with that border wall they were supposed to pay for. 10,000 troops, some of which are going to be linked to cartels anyway, is nothing. Most of those troops will be support troops.

To not look like he's bluffing, he should have stayed strong to get more concessions. Perhaps 50,000 troops on the border, the border wall they never paid for, an the capture and extradition of the leaders in top lieutenants of each cartel.

I don't always agree with his methods, but he needs to stay strong when dealing with foreign leaders regardless.

It’s not over.

 

[regor]

If Turdman was a Senator.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1886209173743919468

 

[regor]

Hey Dave…….

It’s Only Been Two Days Since Trump’s China Tariffs Dropped And Beijing Already Wants To Make A Deal

Beijing is reportedly gearing up to discuss trade relations in an attempt to ward off further tariffs from the U.S., according to the WSJ.

dailycaller.com

China’s initial trade proposal will be aimed at restoring a trade agreement that the country signed during Trump’s first term in 2020 but did not implement during former President Joe Biden’s term, anonymous sources told the WSJ. Beijing is now preparing to discuss with the Trump-Vance administration areas where China can purchase more from the U.S., the outlet reported.

Patience

 

[Mr. Jones]

It’s not over.

I hope he gets something more. I don't like tariffs much...don't get me wrong. But caving for 10k troops shows weakness in my opinion. That's a division of an Army unit in the US. For Mexico, they are sending 2 percent of their military up? Big whoop. It's nothing.

Like tariffs or not, Trump can't have other countries thinking we fold at the first sign that there could be a struggle.

 

[regor]

I hope he gets something more. I don't like tariffs much...don't get me wrong. But caving for 10k troops shows weakness in my opinion. That's a division of an Army unit in the US. For Mexico, they are sending 2 percent of their military up? Big whoop. It's nothing.

Like tariffs or not, Trump can't have other countries thinking we fold at the first sign that there could be a struggle.

To even imply Trump is weak after what he’s been through over the last 8 years is ridiculous Mr. J. You can to better.

He didn’t fold, patience.

 

[j21black]

I hope he gets something more. I don't like tariffs much...don't get me wrong. But caving for 10k troops shows weakness in my opinion. That's a division of an Army unit in the US. For Mexico, they are sending 2 percent of their military up? Big whoop. It's nothing.

Like tariffs or not, Trump can't have other countries thinking we fold at the first sign that there could be a struggle.

Postponing them for 30 days based on 10,000 Mexican troops to help close the border is not what I would call "caving"

They are still on the table, just postponed.

There is more to come here for sure....

 

[rcmike]

Shutting yore open border down globalhomo….

You know how that hurts his supply of pool boys.. If I was into that I would be upset too...

 

[regor]

Take that Drumpf!!!!!

 

[lbhsbz]

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Take that Drumpf!!!!!

The best part is that he thinks Elon gives a fuck. He probably spends that on lunch.

 

[Sandlord]

The best part is that he thinks Elon gives a fuck. He probably spends that on lunch.

He totally gave the Big Middle Finger to the remote residents in rural and northern Ontario. That’ll show Elon.

 

[Orange Juice]

Have you priced the cost of a breakfast burrito lately?

 

[Activated]

Lol

Trump just lifted the tariffs on Mexico. Folded like a soft flour tortilla.

Just “promise” to send 10,000 troops to the border, troops that Trump previously said are controlled by the cartels, and the status quo is now all good with MAGA.

What happened to you disagreeing with Trumps “shotgun” approach? Now he is working with a trade partner with trust, diplomacy and you are critical of it.

We all expect it from you, I just can’t help pointing it out.

 

[Sandlord]

Now, Canada wants to talk

 

[Cole 392]

CEO of Canada’s 2nd-biggest company defends Trump’s tariff demands, slams Trudeau for not stopping trade war

“These are things that every Canadian wants its government to do, too. These are not crazy demands, even if they came from an unpopular source,” Tobi Lutke, who co-founded Shopify, said…

nypost.com

 

[regor]

@Uncle Dave you can breathe now……for the moment.

 

[Uncle Dave]

@Uncle Dave you can breathe now……for the moment.

We're ready for whatever comes our way.

Website updated and all prices market with a * Plus any applicable tariffs. Pricing is for US only. International pricing will vary.

All price guarantees, long term quotes are now null and void.
We like to try to give our dealers and customers 30 days before price increases, but thats not happening.

I got an earfull from a few guys working on longer term deals pissed at us, but I cant control what I cant control.
The medical and military customers all want quotes to be good for a year - " suck it up buttercup".


One of our competitors is taking advantage of tariffs I expect this will be a catalyst for many such inrcreases.

 

[Racey]

It’s not over.

Fagpau is back, new strategy: concern trolling

 

[rcmike]

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Take that Drumpf!!!!!

This is honestly just an attempt to remove alternate sources of information and force people to get their info from the CBC...

 

[MPHSystems]

Some believe the inflation was the result of only Biden policies without realizing that it was the polices of both Trump 45 and Biden continuing many of those policies that caused the spike in inflation.

Trump "inflation" targeted, intentional and reversible. Just end the tarrifs.

Biden inflation arbitrary, carpet bombing and permanent. you can't unprint $5T

Trump lasted 1 day and caused significant and specific benefits to America and her people

Biden: friends and family recieve fantastic wealth, screwed americans especially the poor and fixed income pensioners.

 

[530RL]

Trump "inflation" targeted, intentional and reversible. Just end the tarrifs.

Biden inflation arbitrary, carpet bombing and permanent. you can't unprint $5T

Trump lasted 1 day and caused significant and specific benefits to America and her people

Biden: friends and family recieve fantastic wealth, screwed americans especially the poor and fixed income pensioners.

You do recognize that Trump ran higher deficits in his first term than did Biden in his term? How was that funded in your mind?

I am surprised you view large deficits by Trump as ”targeted, intentional and reversible” yet large deficits by Biden are somehow different.

I see them as both antithetical to any conservative rational position.

Trump’s tariffs are still set to begin in 30 days on Canada and Mexico and remain in place in China. They have not been removed.

Specifically a 54 billion dollar tax increase on Americans with the new tariffs on China as well as even more tax increases due to start in 30 days and more tax increases via promised tariffs on the EU. Maybe he cancels all of this and he was bullshitting his constituents, but until a business knows, planning and investment is very difficult.

Who do you think is going to pay that 54 billion, and who will be affected most by that 54 billion dollar tax increases? That is right, the “poor and fixed income pensioners” where another 100 bucks a month will tip them over. Who cares about them? Certainly not this administration any more than the last.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Trump "inflation" targeted, intentional and reversible. Just end the tarrifs.

Biden inflation arbitrary, carpet bombing and permanent. you can't unprint $5T

Trump lasted 1 day and caused significant and specific benefits to America and her people

Biden: friends and family recieve fantastic wealth, screwed americans especially the poor and fixed income pensioners.

No fan of Biden, I hated that guy - but let's put that aside for a sec.

People in this forum have little understanding of how this affects our export business and focus on imports, joking and laughing about stuff like beer. They've never run anything close to an international business and have no perspective outside of memes and jokes what just happened and have an understanding at the tic tac toe, or maybe checkers level in a 3d chess world but they think they are brilliant.

There are tariffs are still in place from trump 1.0, this did and affected pricing in and out of country and still does.

The effect of this 1 day move will have ripple effects lasting a decade easily.

It sent the message that no trade deal the US makes is worth its ink, it can all be undone in the blink of an eye.
The knock on effect from this is that we sent the message to the world that American businesses have limited control over long term costs and cannot guarantee a client total cost of ownership over any duration of time.

Simply put - we sent the world market the message we are an unstable partner.
Doing any long term business with the US puts you at risk of the whims of a temporary leader.

Question- If you were a medical equipment company in say Japan, or Europe would you gamble your company on sourcing key components from a country that doesn't honor its agreements ?

Or would you put the fate of your company in place that honors long term contracts and operates in a fashion that is predictable and that you can plan you own business around?

 

[t&y]

Took the family out to breakfast yesterday to one of our favorite spots. Local small restaurant, family owned and operated, traditional Mexican food. We were a customer since their opening a couple decades ago and have seen them open up other restaurants across the inland empire. We pull up and it looks closed. Sure enough, there is a sign on gate that says due to lack of employee's, all locations will be closed until a future date.

At first I was like... WTF? That is horrible. These poor business owners, who started from the ground up and have worked their asses off to expand and grow their business, can't staff the place. Then it set in... Hmmm... Did these good people build their business on a model relying on undocumented cheap labor? Surely they didn't build their entire plan on the never ending availability of a work force from an outside country at a cheaper rate? I felt bad for them for all of about 5 minutes... pretty much the time it took for me to find another cool breakfast spot (Flabob's Airport Cafe if interested).

If they can figure out their business model and open back up I will return as a customer. Even if their rates a bit higher, the product they produce (great traditional mexican food) is worth the cost and I'd be a customer. If they cannot sustain their business due to their business model, well then I guess I'd say to them welcome to the rest of world that all us nonbusiness owners live in, and I'd hit up the neighbor who is an outstanding cook for some good recopies.

Back to checking out meme's for me.

 

[regor]

No fan of Biden, I hated that guy - but let's put that aside for a sec.

People in this forum have little understanding of how this affects our export business and focus on imports, joking and laughing about stuff like beer. They've never run anything close to an international business and have no perspective outside of memes and jokes what just happened and have an understanding at the tic tac toe, or maybe checkers level in a 3d chess world but they think they are brilliant.

There are tariffs are still in place from trump 1.0, this did and affected pricing in and out of country and still does.

The effect of this 1 day move will have ripple effects lasting a decade easily.

It sent the message that no trade deal the US makes is worth its ink, it can all be undone in the blink of an eye.
The knock on effect from this is that we sent the message to the world that American businesses have limited control over long term costs and cannot guarantee a client total cost of ownership over any duration of time.

Simply put - we sent the world market the message we are an unstable partner.
Doing any long term business with the US puts you at risk of the whims of a temporary leader.

Question- If you were a medical equipment company in say Japan, or Europe would you gamble your company on sourcing key components from a country that doesn't honor its agreements ?

Or would you put the fate of your company in place that honors long term contracts and operates in a fashion that is predictable and that you can plan you own business around?

Definitely a problem for countries, but a cost for access to the golden market.

There are two different camps in D.C. now. A true two-party system, unlike the facade of decade's past.

The people spoke and things are changing. We will no longer put up with corrupt scum making deals that only benefit themselves and their friends, but screws the nation long term.

They destroyed our manufacturing base and made us dependent on dog eating communists, simply for profits. That is completely unacceptable and unsustainable.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Definitely a problem for countries, but a cost for access to the golden market.

There are two different camps in D.C. now. A true two-party system, unlike the facade of decades past.

The people spoke and things are changing. We will no longer put up with corrupt scum making deals that only benefit themselves and their friends, but screws the nation long term.

They fucked our manufacturing base, made us dependent on the world simply for profits and that is completely unacceptable.

As long as we understand the tradeoff of our actions. I dont think the posters here do.
People think it's just money - it's way more than that.
Its trust. We just broke it. We didnt break someone elses deal, we broke the one we authored.


I have no problem with America First, but doing it this way not only didn't help my American business, but it trashed my long term partnerships all over the world.

The message we just sent was build your product in the countries you sell to, not build a bigger plant in the USA.


DEI-win
Immigration- win
Tariff move -lose

 

[Gelcoater]

Flabob's Airport Cafe if interested).

How was it?
We ate there years and years ago once.
Once.
The food was good, but the place was dirty. Floors, tables, noticed dust everywhere. Couldn’t get the wife to go back.
Have they cleaned up their act?
Like I said, I enjoyed the food. But the wife said if this is what it looks like out here? Imagine what the kitchen looks like

Now, I hit the little cafe at Perris airport last month with my out of town buddy and his dad. Good food, good service, clean. All the pics on the walls can keep you entertained for hours of all the celebs that have dived there.

Took the daughter to the little Riverside airport also, again great food.
She has a friend that works as a greeter on Saturday morning so we went to see her and try the place out.
Outdoor dining if you want which we did.
They have heaters all over the patio so wasn’t cold at all.
The smell of AV gas and occasional small planes taking off and landing was cool.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Took the family out to breakfast yesterday to one of our favorite spots. Local small restaurant, family owned and operated, traditional Mexican food. We were a customer since their opening a couple decades ago and have seen them open up other restaurants across the inland empire. We pull up and it looks closed. Sure enough, there is a sign on gate that says due to lack of employee's, all locations will be closed until a future date.

At first I was like... WTF? That is horrible. These poor business owners, who started from the ground up and have worked their asses off to expand and grow their business, can't staff the place. Then it set in... Hmmm... Did these good people build their business on a model relying on undocumented cheap labor? Surely they didn't build their entire plan on the never ending availability of a work force from an outside country at a cheaper rate? I felt bad for them for all of about 5 minutes... pretty much the time it took for me to find another cool breakfast spot (Flabob's Airport Cafe if interested).

If they can figure out their business model and open back up I will return as a customer. Even if their rates a bit higher, the product they produce (great traditional mexican food) is worth the cost and I'd be a customer. If they cannot sustain their business due to their business model, well then I guess I'd say to them welcome to the rest of world that all us nonbusiness owners live in, and I'd hit up the neighbor who is an outstanding cook for some good recopies.

Back to checking out meme's for me.

Agreed, US businesses should employ legit labor. This is an immigration post.

I dont have a beef with that. I have a beef with the Tariff stunt.

 

[Wedgy]

G'day. Inmates.
RDP never dissapoints. French Valley airport Cafe! TY, two words, E-Verify. Haroldene, @ at Tile Trends kept us legal. It's not hard to comply.

IDK about International Biz much, at all. But. UD? OK for other Countries existing Tariff's on the U.S? But the Status Quo is unnaceptable? I guess it all depends on Who's getting fucked. You want stability based upon guarantees. OK. Now do Insurance companies. It's a business model.
"One good Fucking, deserves Another." RIP Carl Peters. I do know this. So. A loss wipes out all the premiums paid in for 10 years, so the Bump is 150% ? Ouch!! But there's still a choice. (Not in Cali.) Never a dull moment on here and in West Texas.. 84 yesterday. Global Warning!!)

"Stable." existing Tariff's on U.S, good. U.S. Tariff's to achieve parity, bad? "Good for the Goose, but not for the Gander?"

Money is just a tool. Trump just pulled a tool from the "Toolbox," used it and put it away. Did it work?

Respect. Dominate!

 

[Uncle Dave]

G'day. Inmates.
RDP never dissapoints. French Valley airport Cafe! TY, two words, E-Verify. Haroldene, @ at Tile Trends kept us legal. It's not hard to comply.

IDK about International Biz much, at all. But. UD? OK for other Countries existing Tariff's on the U.S? But the Status Quo is unnaceptable? I guess it all depends on Who's getting fucked. You want stability based upon guarantees. OK. Now do Insurance companies. It's a business model.
"One good Fucking, deserves Another." RIP Carl Peters. I do know this. So. A loss wipes out all the premiums paid in for 10 years, so the Bump is 150% ? Ouch!! But there's still a choice. (Not in Cali.) Never a dull moment on here and in West Texas.. 84 yesterday. Global Warning!!)

"Stable." existing Tariff's on U.S, good. U.S. Tariff's to achieve parity, bad? "Good for the Goose, but not for the Gander?"

Money is just a tool. Trump just pulled a tool from the "Toolbox," used it and put it away. Did it work?

Respect. Dominate!

Insurance is a scam for a different thread, California is fucked.

It's more complex than existing and new tariff, goose or gander.

It's about committing to a structure you can invest against. No structural stability - no investments.

It doesn't matter that he pulled it away - we proved we'll break the structure any time we want.



Do you want to do long term business with people that break contracts with you?

 

[regor]

As long as we understand the tradeoff of our actions. I dont think the posters here do.
People think it's just money - it's way more than that.
Its trust. We just broke it. We didnt break someone elses deal, we broke the one we authored.


I have no problem with America First, but doing it this way not only didn't help my American business, but it trashed my long term partnerships all over the world.

The message we just sent was build your product in the countries you sell to, not build a bigger plant in the USA.


DEI-win
Immigration- win
Tariff move -lose

Most countries will try to wait our movement out again. The question is how long will it last this time and that is up to the American people.

 

[Wedgy]

Whadabout "Fair Trade?" Who are we to be. Cherry Bendovers? Or FAFO...

 

[Uncle Dave]

Most countries will try to wait our movement out again. The question is how long will it last this time and that is up to the American people.

In the best scenario it waits a minute or two, but as much as wed like to think so the world stays still for us it doesn't.

The customers simply switch critical goods to a partner they can rely on.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Whadabout "Fair Trade?" Who are we to be. Cherry Bendovers? Or FAFO...

We (trump) already negotiated what we believed was fair with USMCA, and set timeline out for changes and structure.

We just broke the very deal we made.

 

[Wedgy]

Dismiss the ins. argument. It was allegorical information indicating freedom of choice.
What's wrong with parity?

Drag races. Bracket racing. Even matches. Youth baseball leagues.

Some teams are better. But the score and the clock always starts at Zero...

Granted, just a Used Tilesetter.


I see your point. But there's a lot more to the story here methinks.
Respect All. Dominate!

 

[Uncle Dave]

Dismiss the ins. argument. It was allegorical information indicating freedom of choice.
What's wrong with parity?

Drag races. Bracket racing. Even matches. Youth baseball leagues.

Some teams are better. But the score and the clock always starts at Zero...

Nothings wrong with parity. Make a deal for that for X time and stick to it

Dont make a deal then break it.

 

[monkeyswrench]

There are people from all walks of life here. There are those involved in international trade, contractors, sales executives and engineer types. Really, very few are what would be considered low income earners. Everyone has their own take on tarrifs, and how they have or will effect them.

Now, I'm no genius, but I'm also no dimwitted bumpkin. Tariffs hurt both sides. It's either a bluff, or a gamble to see who's economy can survive. I am in the low earner bracket here. Most complain about costs, but mostly just to bitch. It may effect gross earnings, but not so much the day to day existence. The tariffs may be used as threats, but when they hit home, it will hurt. If trade partners see the threats of tariffs looming, why would they not raise prices preemptively to pad their earnings?

Many people are cheering, but the real effects have not been felt. I don't know what the general outlook is nationwide.

 

[regor]

In the best scenario it waits a minute or two, but as much as wed like to think so the world stays still for us it doesn't.

The customers simply switch critical goods to a partner they can rely on.

That's the price we all pay for the greed that hijacked our national security policy.

You can thank @530RL and his Chamber of Commerce ilk.

 

[jonnyd]

Uncle Dave, I feel for you and your situation. There have been many times over the past 20 years that I had to completely change the way I do business. Other times when I couldn't get product from my manufacturers for almost 2 years because of backlogs etc. Price increases within a year period that I had never seen in the 37 years I've been in business.

I look at it now and wonder how did I make it through? The answer, A lot of prayer and realizing that I wasn't going to give up! What other choice do we have than to get back to work and do what we know best. My guess is that your vendors do business with you because of your honesty and fairness. Don't give up or let this get you down. The alternative is not that good!

 

[t&y]

Agreed, US businesses should employ legit labor. This is an immigration post.

I dont have a beef with that. I have a beef with the Tariff stunt.

If you say so. So trade labor with material product. If you built your business on a model relying on the U.S. not making money off of incoming product, then shame on you. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but you are a successful business owner on here complaining because we as a nation are now expecting a fair-trade deal instead of being the whipping boy for the rest of the world. Sorry if that is hard to hear, and I understand I'm just a nonbusiness owner who has never run a multimillion-dollar business. To that I would say if your success was built on your ability in stead of a price point, then stop complaining a find a solution to the problem instead of simply complaining about it.

Your argument here would be like me complaining about having to deal with gangsters and drunk idiots, when I chose to go into and remain in my profession. Everyone has a level of tolerance. Sounds like maybe you've reached it. It also sounds like you could retire and enjoy life instead of complaining about tariff's on the internet. Just my humble non business owner .02c's.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Uncle Dave, I feel for you and your situation. There have been many times over the past 20 years that I had to completely change the way I do business. Other times when I couldn't get product from my manufacturers for almost 2 years because of backlogs etc. Price increases within a year period that I had never seen in the 37 years I've been in business.

I look at it now and wonder how did I make it through? The answer, A lot of prayer and realizing that I wasn't going to give up! What other choice do we have than to get back to work and do what we know best. My guess is that your vendors do business with you because of your honesty and fairness. Don't give up or let this get you down. The alternative is not that good!

It's been really hard with covid and WW parts shortages. We made it though all that.

This current situation It isnt just me, it's everyone that does business with US companies.

The lesson here is take some US operations and move them globally. Each country/ trading block then only gets to fuck itself.

 

[t&y]

How was it?
We ate there years and years ago once.
Once.
The food was good, but the place was dirty. Floors, tables, noticed dust everywhere. Couldn’t get the wife to go back.
Have they cleaned up their act?
Like I said, I enjoyed the food. But the wife said if this is what it looks like out here? Imagine what the kitchen looks like

Now, I hit the little cafe at Perris airport last month with my out of town buddy and his dad. Good food, good service, clean. All the pics on the walls can keep you entertained for hours of all the celebs that have dived there.

Took the daughter to the little Riverside airport also, again great food.
She has a friend that works as a greeter on Saturday morning so we went to see her and try the place out.
Outdoor dining if you want which we did.
They have heaters all over the patio so wasn’t cold at all.
The smell of AV gas and occasional small planes taking off and landing was cool.

Second time there and the food has been pretty good both times. Santa Paula and Camarillo were both better food wise, but it is a cool little private airport to walk around check out some older planes. The inside was empty by about 1100 but looked clean and the outside was spotless. So much so that the stainless steel tables were causing a glare issue. Haven't been to Perris yet, it's non the list.

 

[Uncle Dave]

If you say so. So trade labor with material product. If you built your business on a model relying on the U.S. not making money off of incoming product, then shame on you. I'm not trying to be a dick here, but you are a successful business owner on here complaining because we as a nation are now expecting a fair-trade deal instead of being the whipping boy for the rest of the world. Sorry if that is hard to hear, and I understand I'm just a nonbusiness owner who has never run a multimillion-dollar business. To that I would say if your success was built on your ability in stead of a price point, then stop complaining a find a solution to the problem instead of simply complaining about it.

Your argument her would be like me complaining about having to deal with gangsters and drunk idiots, when I chose to go into and remain in my profession. Everyone has a level of tolerance. Sounds like maybe you've reached it. It also sounds like you could retire and enjoy life instead of complaining about tariff's on the internet. Just my humble non business owner .02c's.

I make money inside and outside the US.

I have no problem with a fair trade deal.

The problem I and every other business guy has, is investing based on a deal that gets broken.

Im not complaining.
I'm having a dialog with guys I like about what this all means and what happens instead of posting memes and jokes.
Trying to have the dialog poeple say they want to have, serious discussion without personal attack about the core matter.

On a separate note I have a very good local relationship with the police, and have a high level of respect for law enforcement.

I wanted to be a cop, after getting fucked with in the hiring process I was finally told off the record not to bother they just weren't hiring white guys.

 

[Smitty7]

I make money inside and outside the US.

I have no problem with a fair trade deal.

The problem I and every other business guy has, is investing based on a deal that gets broken.

Im not complaining.
I'm having a dialog with guys I like about what this all means and what happens instead of posting memes and jokes.
Trying to have the dialog poeple say they want to have, serious discussion without personal attack about the core matter.

On a separate note I have a very good local relationship with the police, and have a high level of respect for law enforcement.

I wanted to be a cop, after getting fucked with in the hiring process I was finally told off the record not to bother they just weren't hiring white guys.

You're right , I have no idea what its like because I have mostly been a paycheck guy . I understand the business side being in a bit of a snit but you know correcting any wrongs there is gonna be some pain at first . But from a workers perspective this is long overdue . There is way too much money being spent on things that our infrastructure should take priority over. Basic necessities should come first . After all that's what we are paying for among other things . The state of our roads , bridges , and electrical systems are pathetic .

 

[Uncle Dave]

You're right , I have no idea what its like because I have mostly been a paycheck guy . I understand the business side being in a bit of a snit but you know correcting any wrongs there is gonna be some pain at first . But from a workers perspective this is long overdue . There is way too much money being spent on things that our infrastructure should take priority over. Basic necessities should come first . After all that's what we are paying for among other things . The state of our roads , bridges , and electrical systems are pathetic .

Paycheck guys are what makes the world go round, I was one most of my life. I do the best I can for all of ours.
I agree we're paying too much, for too little, and often spend wrong. We're aligned on all that.

An analogy to what just happened would be buying a house based on a 10 year mortgage and in year 5 the mortgage company simply changes the price on you for "reasons".

Lots of great stuff happening no doubt - this piece was handled in a bush league fashion.



Speaking of fixing necessities - are you curious where the tariff money that has been taken since 2018 has gone?

 

[Smitty7]

Paycheck guys are what makes the world go round, I was one most of my life. I do the best I can for all of ours.
I agree we're paying too much, for too little, and often spend wrong. We're aligned on all that.

An analogy to what just happened would be buying a house based on a 10 year mortgage and in year 5 the mortgage company simply changes the price on you for "reasons".

Lots of great stuff happening no doubt - this piece was handled in a bush league fashion.



Speaking of fixing necessities - are you curious where the tariff money that has been taken since 2018 has gone?

I understand your concern for your business . It may have been good for your business but you know we could not carry on like this for long . By continuing on this path would have devastated the country and you would be out of business anyway. I know it will be painful but a correction was necessary . And yes I would like to know where every fucking dollar of mine is but that will never happen .

 

[Uncle Dave]

I understand your concern for your business . It may have been good for your business but you know we could not carry on like this for long . By continuing on this path would have devastated the country and you would be out of business anyway. I know it will be painful but a correction was necessary . And yes I would like to know where every fucking dollar of mine is but that will never happen .

Forget about my business. This issue much bigger than my little 188 person company.

If you were a company anywhere else in the world - why would you do business with a US company when they can break their deal with you on a whim?

 

[Sandlord]

Forget about my business. This issue much bigger than my little 188 person company.

If you were a company anywhere else in the world - why would you do business with a US company when they can break their deal with you on a whim?

It’s called Emergency orders. They change agreements when terrorists are allowed through the border

 

[PlanB]

Forget about my business. This issue much bigger than my little 188 person company.

If you were a company anywhere else in the world - why would you do business with a US company when they can break their deal with you on a whim?

Because we are the biggest consumer market in the world, by a lot. Why do you think Mexico and Canada caved so quickly?