OCM Offshore Custom Marine Lake Havasu City AZ

[STV_Keith]

I sold that boat for $33k in 08?
I would buy it back today for $29

So was that you that let me crawl all over it behind Wholesale Water and Ice on Industrial? That may be part of Absolute, but I'm not 100% sure.

 

[New to boating]

I am wondering why this is a surprise or even news. This exact scenario relating to OCM has been published in the Havasu News paper in prior months multiple times for separate transactions that sound like they progressed in the same fashion.

As for bankruptcy and preference payments, the Trustee assigned to a BK case can look at payments that were made to the Debtor's creditors within 90 days prior to the date the BK was filed and make a determination as to the payment, and if it falls within the preference definition.

In the instant case, with the fact set that is expressed in this thread (if true) I don't think that an Owner of a consignment boat who does not receive funds after a Buyer tenders funds to the Broker would be considered a creditor of the Debtor. If the funds were gone, or are gone, or the Broker simply refuses to tender the funds to the Owner (Seller) that would be a much stronger claim that deals with fraud or misappropriation of funds, a different kind of claim entirely.

Consignments inventory (boats or otherwise) are not an assets of the Debtor and therefore would not be included in the BK case as it moved through the system.

The central issue as I see it in this case is simple.... if there are "funds in transit" which have been paid by a Buyer that were supposed to be paid to the Owner (Seller) on consignment inventory, as long as the funds were identified and available I would expect any Judge to rubber stamp that distribution.


The preference payment statutes would not apply

 

[DaBank]

So was that you that let me crawl all over it behind Wholesale Water and Ice on Industrial? That may be part of Absolute, but I'm not 100% sure.

No that would have been after I sold it.

 

[rivermobster]

Really glad to hear 29 Commander and Music To My Ears finally got paid. It's too bad they had to suffer all the emotional and financial stress associated with collecting what was rightfully owed to them from the get go.

Good luck with those lawsuits Tim. It should do wonders for your reputation:thumbup:

I wonder if he will sue the newspaper too...

:hmm

 

[H20-ski]

Wow, crazy thread.

So the guy (Tim) paid up so when everything clears the pain will go away and Tim looses his reputation.

Unless he cleans his shit up. Anything is possible at this point.

 

[RogerThat99]

"Cashflow' and 'reserves', are not the same thing . IF ALL OF A SUDDEN your company is bleeding $100's of thousands, wouldn't YOU make a change ? IF you know how (or even just making honest guesses) to run a business, you stop the bleeding , and work on your debts . Maybe get a side job to correct your mistakes ..

Thanks for the heads up on Cash Flow vs Reserves vs Revenue.

You can't turn a company around financially by turning up the thermostat on the AC, bringing your lunch to work, and getting a night job at Home Depot when there are financial obligations in place ( leases on real estate, equipment, phone systems, document systems, etc...).

 

[AzGeo]

and I have had to do it ! ANYONE WHO gets into a "tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars business' and does not have "hundreds of thousands of dollars in reserves", is underfunded !!! This is NOT a management error, this is much more .

I hate to put more of a burden on other brokers and dealers, but if you deal in $250K boats, your dealer bond should be at least $500K, and you should be required to carry 'one million dollars of errors and omissions insurance' .

More laws will not repel all the 'idiots and thieves', they will just make doing business harder for the 'good guys', but what other way will correct the problem we are reading about here ? Right now WORD OF MOUTH is the only way to get this kind of info out into the public .

Operating your business on 'gross cash flow' may work for gas stations, 7-11's, and porno web sites, but it has NEVER WORKED in the west coast power boating business . Would you like me to point out a dozen or so examples ?

YOU pointed out the basic problem in your post !

The business owner did rent an expensive store, does he have reserves to pay the rent when things get slow ??? He does deal in expensive items, does he need to 'live the lifestyle' while not even close to having that kind of income level ??? Cash talks and BS walks !

The 'money problems of the broker' are NOT the money problems of the seller ! WHY do you keep trying to make excuses for 'a poor business model', or 'a guy with big dreams and no clue', or a 'person who feels that he is so smart that he can GET OVER on everyone that walks in the door .

I'm sure that you don't operate your finances 'hand to mouth', as we have seen here .

 

[pronstar]

I wonder if he will sue the newspaper too...

:hmm

Of course he will...he needs the money to give to the former owners of all the boats he sold :champagne:

 

[RogerThat99]

and I have had to do it ! ANYONE WHO gets into a "tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars business' and does not have "hundreds of thousands of dollars in reserves", is underfunded !!! This is NOT a management error, this is much more .

I hate to put more of a burden on other brokers and dealers, but if you deal in $250K boats, your dealer bond should be at least $500K, and you should be required to carry 'one million dollars of errors and omissions insurance' .

More laws will not repel all the 'idiots and thieves', they will just make doing business harder for the 'good guys', but what other way will correct the problem we are reading about here ? Right now WORD OF MOUTH is the only way to get this kind of info out into the public .

Operating your business on 'gross cash flow' may work for gas stations, 7-11's, and porno web sites, but it has NEVER WORKED in the west coast power boating business . Would you like me to point out a dozen or so examples ?

YOU pointed out the basic problem in your post !

The business owner did rent an expensive store, does he have reserves to pay the rent when things get slow ??? He does deal in expensive items, does he need to 'live the lifestyle' while not even close to having that kind of income level ??? Cash talks and BS walks !

The 'money problems of the broker' are NOT the money problems of the seller ! WHY do you keep trying to make excuses for 'a poor business model', or 'a guy with big dreams and no clue', or a 'person who feels that he is so smart that he can GET OVER on everyone that walks in the door .

I'm sure that you don't operate your finances 'hand to mouth', as we have seen here .

^^^^^ I couldn't AGREE more!!!

 

[Member: 71]

As I keep clicking back on this thread, I keep thinking to all those that tried to get their story out about OCM...totally sucks it took this long to finally gets this somewhat over.

Any word on how many boats are still at OCM. Get some pics posted for the non members. What about the 42 Nordic that was listed at OCM and is engineless in Miami at Cobra Engines?

 

[Mini Kat]

Two friends and I from another shop up the street went to grab a bite for lunch at Blondes. On the way back we saw Tim outside talking to some guy, looked like he was working the biz as normal. Lot of boats still there to be sold.

 

[Andy01]

Two friends and I from another shop up the street went to grab a bite for lunch at Blondes. On the way back we saw Tim outside talking to some guy, looked like he was working the biz as normal. Lot of boats still there to be sold.

He contacted a friend of mine that had his boat for sale and Tim was very interested in selling his boat once he found out it was title in hand. It's a board member here. Not sure if he will post it or not.

 

[mothershipper]

All this attention that OCM has gotten recently, I'm sure that Bob of Bob's Rock fame is glad that the inmates fury has been directed elsewhere.

 

[doubleeagle]

They just wrote me a private message on Facebook

I take it that the new Peters would like to remain Anonymous while trying get whole?
I hope they do but sooner or later it's not going to end well for someone. I'm thinking there are more Pauls than there are Peters.

 

[Old Texan]

and I have had to do it ! ANYONE WHO gets into a "tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars business' and does not have "hundreds of thousands of dollars in reserves", is underfunded !!! This is NOT a management error, this is much more .

I hate to put more of a burden on other brokers and dealers, but if you deal in $250K boats, your dealer bond should be at least $500K, and you should be required to carry 'one million dollars of errors and omissions insurance' .

More laws will not repel all the 'idiots and thieves', they will just make doing business harder for the 'good guys', but what other way will correct the problem we are reading about here ? Right now WORD OF MOUTH is the only way to get this kind of info out into the public .

Operating your business on 'gross cash flow' may work for gas stations, 7-11's, and porno web sites, but it has NEVER WORKED in the west coast power boating business . Would you like me to point out a dozen or so examples ?

YOU pointed out the basic problem in your post !

The business owner did rent an expensive store, does he have reserves to pay the rent when things get slow ??? He does deal in expensive items, does he need to 'live the lifestyle' while not even close to having that kind of income level ??? Cash talks and BS walks !

The 'money problems of the broker' are NOT the money problems of the seller ! WHY do you keep trying to make excuses for 'a poor business model', or 'a guy with big dreams and no clue', or a 'person who feels that he is so smart that he can GET OVER on everyone that walks in the door .

I'm sure that you don't operate your finances 'hand to mouth', as we have seen here .

The way I'm seeing this situation is the business is unique when compared to a dealership that sells new boats and used boats acquired by purchase or trade. New boats come from a factory source and are placed on the lot or are available for order from the factory. The factory isn't a naive entity relying on trust that they "should" get paid, they have things in place that insure they "will" get paid, or at least raises the percentages to a high level they "will" get paid.

This guy and other independents selling consigned units that have no inventory costs associated with new boats under contract. With consignments he's working multiple individual deals with often naive sellers that don't read the fine print and often trust and take the guy at his word. It's basically a license to steal and we have seen the aftermath of how that works. So I wonder how much insurance and normal business regulation he requires as opposed to a conventional "dealer"?

I've been burnt by a consignment lot and know too well from the experience how flaky and untrustworthy these shylocks can be. They may appear to be legitimate with nice grounds and lots of "assumed" inventory, but many are underfunded, mismanages, and some just outright frauds. These are major "Buyer/Seller Beware" operations and should always be dealt with as such. They are just not conventional business models and can disappear or lock their gates overnight leaving many distressed clientele in their wake.

 

[Paul65k]

The way I'm seeing this situation is the business is unique when compared to a dealership that sells new boats and used boats acquired by purchase or trade. New boats come from a factory source and are placed on the lot or are available for order from the factory. The factory isn't a naive entity relying on trust that they "should" get paid, they have things in place that insure they "will" get paid, or at least raises the percentages to a high level they "will" get paid.

This guy and other independents selling consigned units that have no inventory costs associated with new boats under contract. With consignments he's working multiple individual deals with often naive sellers that don't read the fine print and often trust and take the guy at his word. It's basically a license to steal and we have seen the aftermath of how that works. So I wonder how much insurance and normal business regulation he requires as opposed to a conventional "dealer"?

I've been burnt by a consignment lot and know too well from the experience how flaky and untrustworthy these shylocks can be. They may appear to be legitimate with nice grounds and lots of "assumed" inventory, but many are underfunded, mismanages, and some just outright frauds. These are major "Buyer/Seller Beware" operations and should always be dealt with as such. They are just not conventional business models and can disappear or lock their gates overnight leaving many distressed clientele in their wake.

OCM Moves to North Dakota

[video=youtube;u4Je2WxsqWA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4Je2WxsqWA[/video]

 

[River Lynchmob]

Highly un-likely I'm sure.

BK takes back any funds dispersed 90 days prior to BK being filed...not a thing you can do about it...don't ask me how I know.

 

[PVHCA]

BK takes back any funds dispersed 90 days prior to BK being filed...not a thing you can do about it...don't ask me how I know.

JBS and I said the same thing, a lot of people don't understand the power of BK Court, SUX!!!

 

[River Lynchmob]

JBS and I said the same thing, a lot of people don't understand the power of BK Court, SUX!!!

Ours was especially painful...we had joint checks where we never even saw the money...just signed the check and sent it on to our supplier. We had to pay back their money and had no recourse to get it back from our suppliers...that was a bunch of bull shit. We were able to negotiate a bit but still had to hand over a large chuck or cash and pay our attorneys.

 

[PVHCA]

Ours was especially painful...we had joint checks where we never even saw the money...just signed the check and sent it on to our supplier. We had to pay back their money and had no recourse to get it back from our suppliers...that was a bunch of bull shit. We were able to negotiate a bit but still had to hand over a large chuck or cash and pay our attorneys.

OUCH.

Had a large tire company do this to me last year, not too deep but still a fair bit of MY money.

 

[Don Johnson]

Ours was especially painful...we had joint checks where we never even saw the money...just signed the check and sent it on to our supplier. We had to pay back their money and had no recourse to get it back from our suppliers...that was a bunch of bull shit. We were able to negotiate a bit but still had to hand over a large chuck or cash and pay our attorneys.

That sucks Lynch. I assume you were a sub to a GC. Did/could you go after the GC's Surety on the license bond to try to recover some $'s?

 

[OCMerrill]

Plus He's an LLC. His exposure is minimal compared.

 

[River Lynchmob]

That sucks Lynch. I assume you were a sub to a GC. Did/could you go after the GC's Surety on the license bond to try to recover some $'s?

He was a thief...Columbian...funneled money out of the company filled and bailed. We had no recourse for any money...the only ones that made out were the attorneys.

 

[rivermobster]

He was a thief...Columbian...funneled money out of the company filled and bailed. We had no recourse for any money...the only ones that made out were the attorneys.

And that's what will happen here.

Unless Tim man's up and posts his side of the story for everyone to see.

That would be his best course of action. Not to mention it's free. [emoji6]

 

[AzGeo]

The way I'm seeing this situation is the business is unique when compared to a dealership that sells new boats and used boats acquired by purchase or trade. New boats come from a factory source and are placed on the lot or are available for order from the factory. The factory isn't a naive entity relying on trust that they "should" get paid, they have things in place that insure they "will" get paid, or at least raises the percentages to a high level they "will" get paid.

This guy and other independents selling consigned units that have no inventory costs associated with new boats under contract. With consignments he's working multiple individual deals with often naive sellers that don't read the fine print and often trust and take the guy at his word. It's basically a license to steal and we have seen the aftermath of how that works. So I wonder how much insurance and normal business regulation he requires as opposed to a conventional "dealer"?

I've been burnt by a consignment lot and know too well from the experience how flaky and untrustworthy these shylocks can be. They may appear to be legitimate with nice grounds and lots of "assumed" inventory, but many are underfunded, mismanages, and some just outright frauds. These are major "Buyer/Seller Beware" operations and should always be dealt with as such. They are just not conventional business models and can disappear or lock their gates overnight leaving many distressed clientele in their wake.

WE could go back over what happened at Magic ! HA HA

 

[Sandlord]

And that's what will happen here.

Unless Tim man's up and posts his side of the story for everyone to see.

That would be his best course of action. Not to mention it's free. [emoji6]

would anyone believe a word he said?
I wouldn't believe him if he told me the correct time of day

 

[JBS]

Plus He's an LLC. His exposure is minimal compared.

That LLC will never pass the smell test.

Do you really think OCM's accounting practices are sanitary enough to not have even an average attorney pierce the corporate/LLC veil.

Shintoo to do it with one of there most recent checking statements with his eyes closed :cool[h=1][/h]

 

[OCMerrill]

That LLC will never pass the smell test.

Do you really think OCM's accounting practices are sanitary enough to not have even an average attorney pierce the corporate/LLC veil.

Shintoo to do it with one of there most recent checking statements with his eyes closed :cool

I think he believes so.

They are just that easy?

I was burned by an LLC. I will not do any business with a Limited Liability Company. I guess my attorney sucked pretty good.

 

[AzGeo]

Given the 'time lapse' between the sale of these boats and the confrontation here, I doubt it would require a professional to find where the money went .......

 

[JBS]

I think he believes so.

They are just that easy?

I was burned by an LLC. I will not do any business with a Limited Liability Company. I guess my attorney sucked pretty good.

Sounds like it

Will you do business with a C or S corp?

 

[Old Texan]

BK takes back any funds dispersed 90 days prior to BK being filed...not a thing you can do about it...don't ask me how I know.

Technically I wouldn't think the funds paid out for a consignment sale would be included in with company money used to pay debtors. The consignment agreement does nothing more than to give the guy power of attorney to sell the boat. This has been covered somewhere in these threads already and the funds paid to the boat owner are not effected by BK laws. Outside of commission, the boat sale funds belong to the boat owner.

 

[JBS]

Technically I wouldn't think the funds paid out for a consignment sale would be included in with company money used to pay debtors. The consignment agreement does nothing more than to give the guy power of attorney to sell the boat. This has been covered somewhere in these threads already and the funds paid to the boat owner are not effected by BK laws. Outside of commission, the boat sale funds belong to the boat owner.

Good luck with that. OCM does not use a trust account.

 

[RiverDave]

Technically I wouldn't think the funds paid out for a consignment sale would be included in with company money used to pay debtors. The consignment agreement does nothing more than to give the guy power of attorney to sell the boat. This has been covered somewhere in these threads already and the funds paid to the boat owner are not effected by BK laws. Outside of commission, the boat sale funds belong to the boat owner.

Brokers (to my knowledge) are NOT supposed to co mingle funds. As I understand it the funds are to go in escrow accounts, and when the seller gets paid, that is when they are to remove their commission etc..

I have a meeting tomorrow with 2 reputable Brokerages here in Havasu, and will be writing an article tomorrow afternoon of what is legal, what is not.. And most importantly how a broker transaction should go down from start to finish.

Everybody in Havasu is upset about this deal, because it makes all the brokers look bad.

RD

 

[RiverDave]

Good luck with that. OCM does not use a trust account.

Uhhhh....

RD

 

[PVHCA]

Good luck with that. OCM does not use a trust account.

I'll second that and I don't know the guy. IMO he doesn't quite have his shit in that type of order.

 

[shintoooo]

LLC, C-Corp, S-Corp will not offer you any protection if you don't run them properly. As soon as you commingle funds, the corporate veil has been pierced. I tell this to my clients all the time. Don't treat your LLC or Corporate checking accounts like a personal account.

 

[doubleeagle]

Can someone explain how someone can have a negative amount in an account? Is it some sort of credit account I've never heard of???????:hmm

Insufficient funds in a checking account is something I could understand, but $87K, that's got to get some major attention from bank officers.....:headscratch:

Yea you just writing checks my wife has the same mind set I have checks left how can I be out of money.:rolleyes

 

[Bigbore500r]

LLC, C-Corp, S-Corp will not offer you any protection if you don't run them properly. As soon as you commingle funds, the corporate veil has been pierced. I tell this to my clients all the time. Don't treat your LLC or Corporate checking accounts like a personal account.

Question - sending a PM

 

[RiverDave]

I heard this afternoon that Tim is gathering signatures on some petition that basically says "You won't buy a boat from me because of RiverDavesPlace.com"

While this seems so ridiculously stupid to me (Because you are telling your customers to not buy a boat from you?) I would like to take a second to address it.


Yes Tim, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!! Had you conducted your business stand up on any level, then right now you would be in the process of rebuilding your reputation right now. When you sent fake confirmations of a wire transfer, a bogus Federal #, and a bum check etc.. Then things go exactly the opposite way, but either way it went the story was gonna get told.

The point that you are missing is The website is not the reason that people won't buy a boat from you. The reason people won't buy a boat from you is because of your lack of integrity as a whole. It is the fake wire transfers, the checks in the mail, the Fed Ex'ing of bum checks, the constant and forever "paper work mistakes", The not sending of titles, the delay of payments and on and on. The website is just the medium that people have been made aware of SOME (Not everything has come out yet) these things. Had you not done them in the first place then it wouldn't be a problem.

As for your petition, I can get you 15+ thousand signatures of people that won't buy a boat from you. Who would after reading what you did? (and apparently have been doing for quite sometime! by the more and more PM's and phone calls that have been coming in daily)


You have all my lawyers contact information if you'd like to try some bogus lawsuit. You are going to lose (and badly) though because it is not libelous if it is the truth. I will ask Joe Belt, Kurt, and Detective Fuller to be my witnesses, and they will confirm every word of it 100%, and then some.

I'm not sure if I can get my hands on it, but if I can I would also submit the roughly 400 Page report that was just submitted to the County Attorney to prosecute you as well. (Yeah just a couple of minor incidents here and there... 400 pages?? WTF??)

RD

 

[JBS]

LLC, C-Corp, S-Corp will not offer you any protection if you don't run them properly. As soon as you commingle funds, the corporate veil has been pierced. I tell this to my clients all the time. Don't treat your LLC or Corporate checking accounts like a personal account.

You may want to explain this further such as using the money in the LLC or Corp for personal use.

 

[shintoooo]

You may want to explain this further such as using the money in the LLC or Corp for personal use.

Basically, don't use your business account to pay your personal mortgage or your kids private school tuition.

 

[PVHCA]

I heard this afternoon that Tim is gathering signatures on some petition that basically says "You won't buy a boat from me because of RiverDavesPlace.com"

While this seems so ridiculously stupid to me (Because you are telling your customers to not buy a boat from you?) I would like to take a second to address it.


Yes Tim, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!! Had you conducted your business stand up on any level, then right now you would be in the process of rebuilding your reputation right now. When you sent fake confirmations of a wire transfer, a bogus Federal #, and a bum check etc.. Then things go exactly the opposite way, but either way it went the story was gonna get told.

The point that you are missing is The website is not the reason that people won't buy a boat from you. The reason people won't buy a boat from you is because of your lack of integrity as a whole. It is the fake wire transfers, the checks in the mail, the Fed Ex'ing of bum checks, the constant and forever "paper work mistakes", The not sending of titles, the delay of payments and on and on. The website is just the medium that people have been made aware of SOME (Not everything has come out yet) these things. Had you not done them in the first place then it wouldn't be a problem.

As for your petition, I can get you 15+ thousand signatures of people that won't buy a boat from you. Who would after reading what you did? (and apparently have been doing for quite sometime! by the more and more PM's and phone calls that have been coming in daily)


You have all my lawyers contact information if you'd like to try some bogus lawsuit. You are going to lose (and badly) though because it is not libelous if it is the truth. I will ask Joe Belt, Kurt, and Detective Fuller to be my witnesses, and they will confirm every word of it 100%, and then some.

I'm not sure if I can get my hands on it, but I would also submit the roughly 400 Page report that was just submitted to the County Attorney to prosecute you as well. (Yeah just a couple of minor incidents here and there... 400 pages?? WTF??)

RD

The guy is disillusion, this is what happens when the truth comes out and he still can't handle it.

 

[PVHCA]

Basically, don't use your business account to pay your personal mortgage or your kids private school tuition.

Oh FUCK ME, LOL

In my world I pay everything out of my business, but I'm a sole proprietor/DBA. At the end of the day whatever I use for personal use is my income.

 

[doubleeagle]

I heard this afternoon that Tim is gathering signatures on some petition that basically says "You won't buy a boat from me because of RiverDavesPlace.com"

While this seems so ridiculously stupid to me (Because you are telling your customers to not buy a boat from you?) I would like to take a second to address it.


Yes Tim, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!! Had you conducted your business stand up on any level, then right now you would be in the process of rebuilding your reputation right now. When you sent fake confirmations of a wire transfer, a bogus Federal #, and a bum check etc.. Then things go exactly the opposite way, but either way it went the story was gonna get told.

The point that you are missing is The website is not the reason that people won't buy a boat from you. The reason people won't buy a boat from you is because of your lack of integrity as a whole. It is the fake wire transfers, the checks in the mail, the Fed Ex'ing of bum checks, the constant and forever "paper work mistakes", The not sending of titles, the delay of payments and on and on. The website is just the medium that people have been made aware of SOME (Not everything has come out yet) these things. Had you not done them in the first place then it wouldn't be a problem.

As for your petition, I can get you 15+ thousand signatures of people that won't buy a boat from you. Who would after reading what you did? (and apparently have been doing for quite sometime! by the more and more PM's and phone calls that have been coming in daily)


You have all my lawyers contact information if you'd like to try some bogus lawsuit. You are going to lose (and badly) though because it is not libelous if it is the truth. I will ask Joe Belt, Kurt, and Detective Fuller to be my witnesses, and they will confirm every word of it 100%, and then some.

RD

Really this guy thinks he has anything to salvage out of this GOOD LUCK BUDDY. your best plan of attact is to move to Ohio keep your stationary use it to open a new bussiness listing your wife as the owner,change your name,and stay in the back ground. Thinking you will have a bit of a problem doing any bussiness out west.

 

[shintoooo]

Oh FUCK ME, LOL

In my world I pay everything out of my business, but I'm a sole proprietor/DBA. At the end of the day whatever I use for personal use is my income.

Yes, it's different for a sole proprietor. I was just talking about LLC, Corps etc..

Now if you are deducting those as a business expense, then yes you are right, you're fucked lol.

 

[RiverDave]

Oh FUCK ME, LOL

In my world I pay everything out of my business, but I'm a sole proprietor/DBA. At the end of the day whatever I use for personal use is my income.

I was just thinking the same thing.. LOL We are an LLC because of the Enduro and I buy everything through our biz account.. I guess that's gotta stop now.

RD

 

[rivermobster]

Does he have a petition that says, I won't buy a boat from OCM, cause of their poor business practices?

How about the news paper articles?

How about all the lawsuits (of public record) that he's involved in?

Amazing.

What a shame. It so didn't have to go down this way.

Wonder if his wife knows now...

 

[Cat Can Do]

I heard this afternoon that Tim is gathering signatures on some petition that basically says "You won't buy a boat from me because of RiverDavesPlace.com"

While this seems so ridiculously stupid to me (Because you are telling your customers to not buy a boat from you?) I would like to take a second to address it.


Yes Tim, THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT!! Had you conducted your business stand up on any level, then right now you would be in the process of rebuilding your reputation right now. When you sent fake confirmations of a wire transfer, a bogus Federal #, and a bum check etc.. Then things go exactly the opposite way, but either way it went the story was gonna get told.

The point that you are missing is The website is not the reason that people won't buy a boat from you. The reason people won't buy a boat from you is because of your lack of integrity as a whole. It is the fake wire transfers, the checks in the mail, the Fed Ex'ing of bum checks, the constant and forever "paper work mistakes", The not sending of titles, the delay of payments and on and on. The website is just the medium that people have been made aware of SOME (Not everything has come out yet) these things. Had you not done them in the first place then it wouldn't be a problem.

As for your petition, I can get you 15+ thousand signatures of people that won't buy a boat from you. Who would after reading what you did? (and apparently have been doing for quite sometime! by the more and more PM's and phone calls that have been coming in daily)


You have all my lawyers contact information if you'd like to try some bogus lawsuit. You are going to lose (and badly) though because it is not libelous if it is the truth. I will ask Joe Belt, Kurt, and Detective Fuller to be my witnesses, and they will confirm every word of it 100%, and then some.

I'm not sure if I can get my hands on it, but if I can I would also submit the roughly 400 Page report that was just submitted to the County Attorney to prosecute you as well. (Yeah just a couple of minor incidents here and there... 400 pages?? WTF??)

RD

The main guy (the one with the reputation to lose) backs him up, and now it looks like he may try and go after you in some form after the truth came to light? Real winner there!
I called on a boat for sale back in May, the seller said he sold it thru a broker in Havasu but had been waiting months on payment, I'd take a guess at who it is but id prob get sued, shoot, I may anyways. Haha!

 

[RiverDave]

Does he have a petition that says, I won't buy a boat from OCM, cause of their poor business practices?

How about the news paper articles?

How about all the lawsuits (of public record) that he's involved in?

Amazing.

What a shame. It so didn't have to go down this way.

Wonder if his wife knows now...

She does all the books down there, and writes every check that comes out of that place.

Tim will flat tell people (and has many times) Wife isn't here and the checkbook is locked in the office upstairs. I'm not sure how it would be possible for her not to be completely informed and on board.

RD

 

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Yes, it's different for a sole proprietor. I was just talking about LLC, Corps etc..

Now if you are deducting those as a business expense, then yes you are right, you're fucked lol.

I know, nope I'm Legit:rolleyes