Israel at war?

[4Waters]

The un ambassador from Israele was just on Bret Beir and was asked about US troops being needed in Israele. His response was we are a proud people and will handle this are self ! He said thank you to the American people for the expedited shipment of already ordered weapons . He was very well spoken and pretty much said to stay out of there way .

"Already ordered" WTF?

 

[RVR SWPR]

"Already ordered" WTF?

Amazon

 

[Backlash]

Amazon

I was going to say "Domino's, 5 minutes or less or your order is free!"

 

[rivrrts429]

Amazon

Hope they have Prime to save on those pesky shipping costs lol

 

[kurtis500]

I'm not sure what you are implying here, if anything. I guess I'm not sure what your question has to do with the subject of the thread.

During the Korean War, nearly 10% of the deaths were African-Americans, during Vietnam, that number was around 12.5. Gulf war was 17% and total since 1980 is over 16%.

What other minorities are you interested in?

https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/assets/Documents/RACE-OMB-WC-2022.pdf

Keep going. Battlefield cemetaries go back beyond the Korean war and your cited article is from 1980 until now. Why neglect all the other wars and their race stats? The biggest loses are before Korea and 1980

Again, why neglect all the other wars and their race stats?

 

[MPHSystems]

 

[grumpy88]

"Already ordered" WTF?

He said something about American weapons supplier who i assume most of there " iron curtain " missles come from and normal weapons are supplied by need continual restocking on the regular but obviously need it in a hurry now . Just my take on the interview.

 

[Wedgy]

While I would literally put nothing past the Muslims.. my distrust in the media is also on that level.

Killing forty babies and beheading them is such a pr nightmare for them I’m not sure they’d do it.. because that’s enough to activate western societies to move on it from shock value alone.

Or maybe that’s why that commander said that? Who knows..

Sorry RD, it's true. Subhuman rabid animals that need put down.

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

Invest in those defense companies.

 

[4Waters]

One of my daughters teachers has lost members of his family on his mother's side. It is her psych teacher and they just talked about this today.

 

[DWC]

I'm not sure what you are implying here, if anything. I guess I'm not sure what your question has to do with the subject of the thread.

During the Korean War, nearly 10% of the deaths were African-Americans, during Vietnam, that number was around 12.5. Gulf war was 17% and total since 1980 is over 16%.

What other minorities are you interested in?

https://dcas.dmdc.osd.mil/dcas/assets/Documents/RACE-OMB-WC-2022.pdf

I’d go on a limb and say race post Vietnam is a useless statistic. A draft hasn’t impacted service in quite a while. It’s more socioeconomic than race. The deaths from Beverly Hills, Brentwood, Scottsdale, Buckhead, Summerlin aren’t even a blip compared to trailer parks and inner cities across the country.

 

[spectra3279]

This took me by surprise. AOC spoke out against the actions by Hamas and a pro-Palestinian rally in Time Square.



https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/10/aoc-palestinian-rally-new-york

She memorized her script wrong

 

[angiebaby]

I’d go on a limb and say race post Vietnam is a useless statistic. A draft hasn’t impacted service in quite a while. It’s more socioeconomic than race. The deaths from Beverly Hills, Brentwood, Scottsdale, Buckhead, Summerlin aren’t even a blip compared to trailer parks and inner cities across the country.

It's always been that way. It was socioeconomic during Vietnam also. Wealthier kids went to college or daddy's connections got them out of it, or at least secured a stateside position.

Keep going. Battlefield cemetaries go back beyond the Korean war and your cited article is from 1980 until now. Why neglect all the other wars and their race stats? The biggest loses are before Korea and 1980

Again, why neglect all the other wars and their race stats?

IDK, Maybe because blacks weren't really allowed in combat before Truman ended military segregation during Korea? In WW1 they were only allowed to fight with the French soldiers, and I'm pretty sure it was just one unit from Harlem. I'm still wondering WTH this has to do with the subject of Israel and why you would bring it up.

 

[Racey]

Unreal..

Looks like lazy bums at CNN pulling opd footage because they have no rights or permission to the recent stuff?

They are hacks

 

[Racey]

The media will turn…


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Lol more uneducated fools, there is not apartheid, Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and Hamas was elected 2007 and been running the place ever since. Hamas is their government l, they chose, it's not imposed or supported by Israel.

It's an over populated shit hole, but that's not Israels fault.

It also shares a border with Egypt, so why aren't they crying to Egypt about their problems? Egypt doesn't want them crossing the fence either.

 

[monkeyswrench]

My wife's cousin received his orders a month ago, shipping off to Africa. He flies some electronic "snooping" thing for the Air Force. Pretty sure he actually landed a week ago? Makes me wonder who knew what.

There is some sort of civil war blowing up in Bengahzi now as well...and the multiple other ones. All these other ones, I have no clue who is good and who is bad.

The tribalism statement seems to be true. In the case of Palestinians, they hate Israelis...pretty surethe feelings are mutual. Same everywhere I suppose. This crap is going to get real ugly on a global scale.

 

[kurtis500]

It's always been that way. It was socioeconomic during Vietnam also. Wealthier kids went to college or daddy's connections got them out of it, or at least secured a stateside position.



IDK, Maybe because blacks weren't really allowed in combat before Truman ended military segregation during Korea? In WW1 they were only allowed to fight with the French soldiers, and I'm pretty sure it was just one unit from Harlem. I'm still wondering WTH this has to do with the subject of Israel and why you would bring it up.

NGL, my post was intended for the thread "What would a modern world war look like in the US?" When you asked about what it has to do with Israel I realized I posted in the wrong place. Good call.

 

[MPHSystems]

Lol more uneducated fools, there is not apartheid, Israel pulled out of Gaza in 2005 and Hamas was elected 2007 and been running the place ever since. Hamas is their government l, they chose, it's not imposed or supported by Israel.

It's an over populated shit hole, but that's not Israels fault.

It also shares a border with Egypt, so why aren't they crying to Egypt about their problems? Egypt doesn't want them crossing the fence either.

Truth of the matter is they would all starve to death without Israel. They can’t even manage sewage systems or garbage disposal.

Palestine cannot even supply its citizens with water or electricity. Hamas, the government doesn’t concern themselves with any of that. The only thing the government of Palestine wants is the eradication of all Jews from the planet.

 

[MPHSystems]

That face you make when you realize Hamas didn’t scrape the serial numbers off all those American weapons you sold them.

 

[rrrr]

"Already ordered" WTF?

Boeing has a 2019 contract to supply Israel with 1,000 250 lb JDAM bombs. There are still items to be delivered. There are other similar contracts with the defense industry. They're know as direct sale contracts, and don't pass through the US government.

 

[TPC]

If I remember correctly in Israel all paychecks are taxed 17% right off the top for defense.
Most everyone used to carry in Israel. Evidently not at this time. They got complacent and the Liberal political factions probably had some influence and got restrictions of some sort. The most dangerous strip of land on earth and it was wide open.

I often thought something like this would happen here. Terrorists come out of the "cold" and take down a dense population vacation or amusement center. It's easy to do, doesn't take much to overwhelm especially when the bad guys are suicidal.

It's an old basic tactic. Rudimentary, basic weapons and overwhelming surprise attack is how the Zulus kept defeating the British.

Daughters took a school trip to the Holyland some time ago and local school teachers had Uzis at the ready.
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[DarkHorseRacing]

Isn’t military service required in Israel? I always wonder how different the US would be if everyone was forced to at least go through Basic right out of HS. Would we still have an overweight population? Would we still have a large portion of the population that refuses to assimilate? Would anyone be a gun hating Dem after learning to shoot?

This country might be better for it. It sure seems like Israel is.

 

[TonyFanelli]

One of my daughters teachers has lost members of his family on his mother's side. It is her psych teacher and they just talked about this today.

The media will turn…


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[Skinny Tire AH]

Those of you on this site that support the Biden administration-

There have been roughly 4-5 million illegals crossed the southern border since the beginning of Bidens term.

Let’s just say for fun, only 2000 of them are here with nefarious intentions. Or perhaps Al Queda, Hamas, Mujahideen etc.

At some point, they will have a call to action of some sort. Then, to TPC’s point, let’s say they attack, Disneyland, Las Vegas or the World Series? Will you still respond with smiley faces? Will you still blame Trump? At some point your loyalty to just being an American will be tested.

The real Elephant in the room is Iran. Did Biden mention Iran even once yesterday?

Political Party Solidarity IS the new patriotism.

It’s time to come out from behind your hate for Trump or Republicans and express your hates for these acts and their perpetrators. SMH

How can public opinion be split on this?

 

[Xtrmwakeboarder]

An American mom, 67, spent her life advocating for Palestinian rights. Then, Hamas came for her.

Some 100 people were kidnapped by Hamas this past weekend in Israel. Here is the story of one Minnesota family who was taken from their Kibbutz.

www.yahoo.com

Whoops

 

[clarence]

Let’s just say for fun, only 2000 of them are here with nefarious intentions. Or perhaps Al Queda, Hamas, Mujahideen etc.

There are 3-4M American Muslims.

Surveys show 1% (35,000) believe suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets are often justified.

Another 7% (245,000) believe such attacks are sometimes justified to defend Islam.

Another 5% (175,000) believe they are rarely justified.

Appendix A: U.S. Muslims — Views on Religion and Society in a Global Context

In their attitudes toward modern society and their relations with people of other faiths, U.S. Muslims sometimes more closely resemble other Americans

www.pewresearch.org

 

[Skinny Tire AH]

There are 3-4M American Muslims.

Surveys show 1% (35,000) believe suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets are often justified.

Another 7% (245,000) believe such attacks are sometimes justified to defend Islam.

Another 5% (175,000) believe they are rarely justified.

Appendix A: U.S. Muslims — Views on Religion and Society in a Global Context

In their attitudes toward modern society and their relations with people of other faiths, U.S. Muslims sometimes more closely resemble other Americans

www.pewresearch.org

And how many more just say nothing when it happens?

 

[Racey]

Those of you on this site that support the Biden administration-

There have been roughly 4-5 million illegals crossed the southern border since the beginning of Bidens term.

Let’s just say for fun, only 2000 of them are here with nefarious intentions. Or perhaps Al Queda, Hamas, Mujahideen etc.

At some point, they will have a call to action of some sort. Then, to TPC’s point, let’s say they attack, Disneyland, Las Vegas or the World Series? Will you still respond with smiley faces? Will you still blame Trump? At some point your loyalty to just being an American will be tested.

The real Elephant in the room is Iran. Did Biden mention Iran even once yesterday?

Political Party Solidarity IS the new patriotism.

It’s time to come out from behind your hate for Trump or Republicans and express your hates for these acts and their perpetrators. SMH

How can public opinion be split on this?

They will fly the flag of Palestine/Iran/Hamas in solidarity, because the teets the suckle on tell them they must atone for their evil white racist ways.

 

[PaPaG]

Those of you on this site that support the Biden administration-

There have been roughly 4-5 million illegals crossed the southern border since the beginning of Bidens term.

Let’s just say for fun, only 2000 of them are here with nefarious intentions. Or perhaps Al Queda, Hamas, Mujahideen etc.

At some point, they will have a call to action of some sort. Then, to TPC’s point, let’s say they attack, Disneyland, Las Vegas or the World Series? Will you still respond with smiley faces? Will you still blame Trump? At some point your loyalty to just being an American will be tested.

The real Elephant in the room is Iran. Did Biden mention Iran even once yesterday?

Political Party Solidarity IS the new patriotism.

It’s time to come out from behind your hate for Trump or Republicans and express your hates for these acts and their perpetrators. SMH

How can public opinion be split on this?

Hows this for numbers, amazing how this Admin has allowed so many potential terrorists into our nation, almost like they are supporting it.

 

[Racey]

While I would literally put nothing past the Muslims.. my distrust in the media is also on that level.

Killing forty babies and beheading them is such a pr nightmare for them I’m not sure they’d do it.. because that’s enough to activate western societies to move on it from shock value alone.

Or maybe that’s why that commander said that? Who knows..

The baby thing is an irrelevant distraction imo, and like you I am EXTREMELY skeptical of those claims, The videos of them kidnapping young women and dragging their dead bodies around cheering is all the justification needed for Israel to take extreme action. What more evidence do you need to understand they are barbarians....

Remeber the 'iraqi soldiers bayoneting babies in hospital incubators' bullshit, that ended up being a total fabricated lie by the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat, back in the 90s.

 

[stephenkatsea]

US news media is reporting - US readies Special Forces to free hostages. Clue - US Special Forces does not preannounce their operations.

 

[MPHSystems]

The baby thing is an irrelevant distraction imo, and like you I am EXTREMELY skeptical of those claims, The videos of them kidnapping young women and dragging their dead bodies around cheering is all the justification needed for Israel to take extreme action. What more evidence do you need to understand they are barbarians....

Remeber the 'iraqi soldiers bayoneting babies in hospital incubators' bullshit, that ended up being a total fabricated lie by the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat, back in the 90s.

I am somewhat less skeptical about the baby murdering stories than you are this time. That kind of propaganda goes back forever but some of the images we’re seeing support the stories.

It does seem that kidnappingThe music festival Attendees was a primary objective initial assault. It doesn’t look like those hostages are as much value as they had hoped they would be. I don’t think anybody believes any of those will be released.
Alive

perhaps a Hamas leader ship is planning on using those hostages for their end game. They can’t be dumb enough to think having a few hostages could have prevented the retaliation We are about to see.

 

[Ol Man]

Wait, are those young ladies carrying Assault weapons??

 

[lakemadness]

And how many more just say nothing when it happens?

Probably 87%

 

[Uncle Dave]

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When you seize a countries assets you'd better have the political will to keep holding it regardless of the situation.

We did, then we didn't.

 

[MPHSystems]

When you seize a countries assets you'd better have the political will to keep holding it regardless of the situation.

We did, then we didn't.

Our country is run buy a doddering old fool who kicks his dog and shits his pants.

 

[Uncle Dave]

Our country is run buy a doddering old fool who kicks his dog and shits his pants.

I wouldn't disagree with that.

That said seizure of Iranian money and assets goes back to Carter if I recall. (I guess Im that old)

 

[regor]

We’re running 2 TRILLION annual deficits thanks to these clowns already and they want YOU to pay more for Israhell…….

https://www.axios.com/2023/10/11/israel-aid-congress-hamas-gaza-attack

 

[azsunfun]

Gaza strip power plant out of fuel running on generators. This vid is from Gaza I believe, the iron dome is amazing, this link is live.

from the timer I say not live went by this.

sorry but poer plant is out!

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1712126156567105842

Well done dad.

 

[rivrrts429]

The baby thing is an irrelevant distraction imo, and like you I am EXTREMELY skeptical of those claims, The videos of them kidnapping young women and dragging their dead bodies around cheering is all the justification needed for Israel to take extreme action. What more evidence do you need to understand they are barbarians....

Remeber the 'iraqi soldiers bayoneting babies in hospital incubators' bullshit, that ended up being a total fabricated lie by the daughter of a Kuwaiti diplomat, back in the 90s.

I was feeling the same so stayed quiet about it as I didn’t have any quantifiable data to support an argument one way or another.

As the stories from survivors are now coming out it appears that there is more and more evidence that this indeed happened.

If true these people are absolute animals….

 

[azsunfun]

As bad as ISIS! https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/netanyahu-every-member-of-hamas-is-a-dead-man/

 

[riverroyal]

they need zohan about now.

 

[HNL2LHC]

Amazon

No it is the Speed car with machine gun turret built in the roll cage.

 

[clarence]

Seems unlikely, but one can hope.

Neville Chamberlain today is regarded as foolish, because the Munich Agreement failed as an attempt to restrain Hitler. But as of today, I think that the precedent of Chamberlain bodes well for how President Biden will respond.

After Munich gave Hitler the Sudetenland, Hitler soon humiliated Chamberlain by swiftly overrunning the rest of Czechoslovakia, which Hitler had promised not to do. This turned Chamberlain into the biggest hawk in his government, because he took Hitler’s betrayal personally. Most of England’s elites still wanted to do whatever they could to avoid fighting Germany, but Chamberlain was no longer in that camp. He committed England to join the war if Poland were invaded, and he followed through on that commitment.

Moreover, the day that the war started, he brought Winston Churchill into the government, even though that was probably personally repugnant to Chamberlain and certainly not the preference of England’s elites. At that time, Churchill evoked in elites the sort of allergic reaction that Donald Trump gives them in this country today.

I am not here to praise Neville Chamberlain or, for that matter, President Biden. But Mr. Biden does have a high regard for his own personal honor, and I suspect that he is seething over the way that this invasion started so soon after he made the deal to release billions of dollars to Iran. My guess is that even if he is surrounded by young aides who are hesitant to fully back Israel, President Biden himself means it. I suspect that he has conveyed some clear red lines to Iran; and unlike the detached and cynical Barack Obama, Biden will stick to his red lines.

Look, I don’t claim to be able to read Joe Biden’s mind. And I do not like his administration’s track record of playing footsie with Iran. But precisely because Iran so flagrantly humiliated him, I am willing to trust that he is intensely ticked off at the regime there.

The Current War and WWII

Some analogies to consider

arnoldkling.substack.com

 

[Flying_Lavey]

My boss just came in to my office and said one of his church's guest speakers that lives in Northern Israel sent a message to the pastors in their church that they just had a large drone bombing. Pretty sure Hamas does not have drones and being it happened in northern Israel makes one believe it would likely be Syria or Iran directly doing so.

 

[lakemadness]

My boss just came in to my office and said one of his church's guest speakers that lives in Northern Israel sent a message to the pastors in their church that they just had a large drone bombing. Pretty sure Hamas does not have drones and being it happened in northern Israel makes one believe it would likely be Syria or Iran directly doing so.

How do they know it was a drone and not another missile?

 

[BabyRay]

My boss just came in to my office and said one of his church's guest speakers that lives in Northern Israel sent a message to the pastors in their church that they just had a large drone bombing. Pretty sure Hamas does not have drones and being it happened in northern Israel makes one believe it would likely be Syria or Iran directly doing so.

I dunno. The Israeli military is saying that is a false report. Of course, it’s possible they’re denying it to avoid opening another front.

IDF says no drone infiltrated after entire north placed under alert

It is as of yet unclear what set off the alerts in northern Israel.

m.jpost.com

 

[azsunfun]

My boss just came in to my office and said one of his church's guest speakers that lives in Northern Israel sent a message to the pastors in their church that they just had a large drone bombing. Pretty sure Hamas does not have drones and being it happened in northern Israel makes one believe it would likely be Syria or Iran directly doing so.

Lebanon to the north. Israel's defense head said gaza will be nothing but a tent city and no building will be left standing, they Egypt you just got two million new residents.

 

[PlanB]

Wait, are those young ladies carrying Assault weapons??

They are actually real assault rifles (M4's) which is an intermediate cartridge, magazine fed rifle capable of select fire. An actual military term. The term assault weapon was made up by the American left to scare people because of the way a firearm looks.