Israel at war?

[Racey]

I’d say we all know that if someone invaded the United States on the edges, like Hamas has done in Israel or Russia has done in Ukraine, that we would fight to protect our land, our families and our freedom. Most would not flee our homes, our businesses and the lives we had built.

And we would hope that other countries that believe in small d democracy would help us in our cause. We certainly wouldn’t expect them to sacrifice their lives for our homeland, but we would hope for and appreciate arms and supplies so that we could undertake our own fight.

For me, that is the simple view of the situation in Israel and in Ukraine. Murdering children, women and the old makes it that simple for me.

In case you've been living under a rock, our country is being invaded to the tune of more than a million a year, from the souther border. And you have continuously advocated against funding a border wall, just 5 billion worth, but advocate for 100, 200, 300 billion to be sent overseas to stop the invasion of some other country.

What a crock of shit

 

[530RL]

There is not one country that would send aid, we would have to do it ourselves. No aid when Northridge happened, no aid when 911 happened, no aid when Katrina happened, no aid when...... we always send aid to them. The question is who's side are you on? That's a rhetorical question we already know.

Fortunately you and I were, by pure luck, born in a country where we are the shining beacon on the hill that does no need aid. We have unlimited opportunity. Unlike any other place in the world.

But that doesn’t, at least in my view, abdicate our obligation to those who were not.

That is what American leadership and exceptionalism is.

 

[4Waters]

Fortunately you and I were, by pure luck, born in a country where we are the shining beacon on the hill that does no need aid. We have unlimited opportunity. Unlike any other place in the world.

But that doesn’t, at least in my view, abdicate our obligation to those who were not.

That is what American leadership and exceptionalism is.

We are sending money that hasn't been earned yet by the tax payers, we are in debt because of that "obligation" . Why can't you be AMERICA first asshat.

 

[jet496]

I’d say we all know that if someone invaded the United States on the edges, like Hamas has done in Israel or Russia has done in Ukraine, that we would fight to protect our land, our families and our freedom. Most would not flee our homes, our businesses and the lives we had built.

And we would hope that other countries that believe in small d democracy would help us in our cause. We certainly wouldn’t expect them to sacrifice their lives for our homeland, but we would hope for and appreciate arms and supplies so that we could undertake our own fight.

For me, that is the simple view of the situation in Israel and in Ukraine. Murdering children, women and the old makes it that simple for me.

I'm just saying that you do not know what's happening. They always bring the killing of babies & women in play, ever since WWI, to sway the masses. We're lied to right here in the good ole USA, our hometowns, knowing the truth, but yet there's nothing we can change about what the media is saying.

I'll leave it at that and not go down this rabbit hole, since I already know that most people will think they're right & understand exactly what's going on. I just happen to see through the smoke & mirrors, always have been, and actually wished I could be like liberals, and their sorts, just following along blindly.

 

[4Waters]

I'm just saying that you do not know what's happening. They always bring the killing of babies & women in play, ever since WWI, to sway the masses. We're lied to right here in the good ole USA, our hometowns, knowing the truth, but yet there's nothing we can change about what the media is saying.

I'll leave it at that and not go down this rabbit hole, since I already know that most people will think they're right & understand exactly what's going on. I just happen to see through the smoke & mirrors, always have been, and actually wished I could be like liberals, and their sorts, just following along blindly.

Women, children and babies are being killed right here in our streets and all our government cares about are other countries issues

 

[530RL]

We are sending money that hasn't been earned yet by the tax payers, we are in debt because of that "obligation" . Why can't you be AMERICA first asshat.

American leadership in the world is America First.

Otherwise we leave the world to China, Russia, terrorists and other adversaries. Think of what our defense budget would have to be and our loss of American blood if we didn’t fund that leadership to others who fight for our shared beliefs with their blood and land.

I appreciate others do not agree with that premise. And I appreciate others view such as yourself that America needs to abdicate that role to other growing nations and we should shrink our influence. But I’m not willing to give up the role of America as the world leader.

 

[4Waters]

American leadership in the world is America First.

Otherwise we leave the world to China, Russia, terrorists and other adversaries. Think of what our defense budget would have to be and our loss of American blood if we didn’t fund that leadership to others who fight for our shared beliefs with their blood and land.

I appreciate others do not agree with that premise. And I appreciate others view such as yourself that America needs to abdicate that role to other growing nations and we should shrink our influence. But I’m not willing to give up the role of America as the world leader.

Maybe they should tax the shit out of their citizens so they can protect themselves. Just a thought

 

[monkeyswrench]

Sooo, pimp out taxpayers' funds abroad, to influence elections and thus other countries' actions, to the point of them sending their men to die, for our ideals... "Ideals" that are decided by those elected here, but making millions from those who are part of the war machine...
Doesn't sound very noble.

I choose to think "America First" is meant as "Americans First". Take care of the people here before worrying about those in other countries. Do not fund those that will eventually mean to harm us, like bribing the murderous hoards that wish us dead. Don't fund those solely to kill others to advance our market share. Don't turn a blind eye to the wrongs within our own borders, while accusing others of those very same issues.


By the way, Pentagon said there were 2 fatalities due to a drone strike today in Iraq. Apparently some Hamas sympathizers made a statement taking credit. They said that America is backing Israel, so they are to be targeted like such. Good thing Russia hasn't said the same yet.

 

[530RL]

Sooo, pimp out taxpayers' funds abroad, to influence elections and thus other countries' actions, to the point of them sending their men to die, for our ideals... "Ideals" that are decided by those elected here, but making millions from those who are part of the war machine...
Doesn't sound very noble.

I choose to think "America First" is meant as "Americans First". Take care of the people here before worrying about those in other countries. Do not fund those that will eventually mean to harm us, like bribing the murderous hoards that wish us dead. Don't fund those solely to kill others to advance our market share. Don't turn a blind eye to the wrongs within our own borders, while accusing others of those very same issues.


By the way, Pentagon said there were 2 fatalities due to a drone strike today in Iraq. Apparently some Hamas sympathizers made a statement taking credit. They said that America is backing Israel, so they are to be targeted like such. Good thing Russia hasn't said the same yet.

So when you say America First means to “take care of people here” what does that mean?

Spend the money on expanding welfare programs, extinguish student loans, make SNAP more widely available, provide low cost housing for the homeless?

What does “taking care of people here” mean?

 

[4Waters]

So when you say America First means to “take care of people here” what does that mean?

Spend the money on expanding welfare programs, extinguish student loans, make SNAP more widely available, provide low cost housing for the homeless?

What does “taking care of people here” mean?

Closing our boarder, enforcing our laws and arresting criminals and locking them up to name a few. That shit costs money and it could be put to better use than sending it to Ukraine, Hati, Israel, Gaza......

 

[regor]

American leadership in the world is America First.

Otherwise we leave the world to China, Russia, terrorists and other adversaries. Think of what our defense budget would have to be and our loss of American blood if we didn’t fund that leadership to others who fight for our shared beliefs with their blood and land.

I appreciate others do not agree with that premise. And I appreciate others view such as yourself that America needs to abdicate that role to other growing nations and we should shrink our influence. But I’m not willing to give up the role of America as the world leader.

Says a clown that does business in China and helps enrich their communist regime.

 

[monkeyswrench]

So when you say America First means to “take care of people here” what does that mean?

Spend the money on expanding welfare programs, extinguish student loans, make SNAP more widely available, provide low cost housing for the homeless?

What does “taking care of people here” mean?

No dumbass, like keeping drugs, illegals and and associated violence from crossing our borders. Small things, like making sure law enforcement has the backing of their district attorney and will prosecute criminals. Normal things people seem to think are happening now, but aren't with any great regularity.

The division in our nation is being broadcast world wide. A rift is growing, and showing those that scheme against us how easy we will destroy ourselves. Just the same as this country has done to others, others will fund one or both sides to weaken us from within.

 

[76sanger]

Possibly seeing the beginning of the Ezekiel 38 prophecy! I must say this is exciting times for sure.

 

[DILLIGAF]

A real take from a Marine in the Middle East....

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1716308888859914542?s=20

 

[monkeyswrench]

Possibly seeing the beginning of the Ezekiel 38 prophecy! I must say this is exciting times for sure.

Well, white phosphorus replaced burning sulfur, but the same effect. We're headed down this path quite quickly.

 

[RiverDave]

A real take from a Marine in the Middle East....

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1716308888859914542?s=20

The video is from years ago

 

[DILLIGAF]

The video is from years ago

Is it? I just saw it get posted. Is there a time stamp on it or something?

 

[Backlash]

Slightly off topic.

I had a conversation yesterday with an older woman who works in the field of education. She has a friend who is a professor who is currently living in Jerusalem, and is teaching there. Apparently this professor is currently teaching other teachers.....I don't personally know her. But, she is American, Caucasian, blond with blue eyes. Anyhow, the two ladies were conversing via Facetime, and the professor said she felt "Unsafe." She was worried about her safety and said she was afraid to "Go out." I listened to the story for a bit, and then asked the obvious question.

"Why is the professor still in Jerusalem? Why doesn't she return to the U.S. if she feels unsafe?"

The response was weak at best. "She likes the culture and she has made a few friends there. She's been able to travel and visit places like Bethlehem, the Dead Sea, etc. These are places that hold a strong meaning to the Christian world. It wasn't like this when she moved there last year."

OK, so she got to visit a few historic places. That part is indeed pretty amazing. But, if the surrounding countries are on the brink of implosion, and there is a significant war breaking out, why in the hell would anyone stay there??? Especially a U.S. citizen!?! I don't understand this thought process. It makes zero sense to me.

Again, not necessarily related to the war, but watching the video posted of the U.S. Marine prompted me to think of this conversation from yesterday.

 

[Racey]

Says a clown that does business in China and helps enrich their communist regime.

And if we enact any economic tit for tat on China cries like a little baby that it's "DeStRoYiNg ThE FrEe MaRkEt"

 

[poncho]

Why I truly hate the media

 

[regor]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716303782475084208

Ahhhhhhh, if we could deal with our border, that would be great.

Quite the conundrum for the leaders of the left these days.............

 

[poncho]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716303782475084208

Ahhhhhhh, if we could deal with our border, that would be great.

Quite the conundrum for the leaders of the left these days.............

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2 words-Kyle Rittenhouse

 

[HCP3]

Is it? I just saw it get posted. Is there a time stamp on it or something?

He posted it to his YouTube 6 years ago.

 

[Mandelon]

 

[monkeyswrench]

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Damn. This is so very true. I'm sure this is the weakest leader in my lifetime, and possibly the weakest leader of any nation currently. Kim Jon Fatkid has more presence and possibly a finer command of the English language

 

[Mandelon]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716484597956108616

 

[DILLIGAF]

He posted it to his YouTube 6 years ago.

Thanks.....I bet it still applies today though

 

[clarence]

2 words

Pew Pew

 

[monkeyswrench]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1716484597956108616

The imam guy had some good points. Honestly the first time I've listened to one of them and didn't want to slap him. Of course, now the others in his camp probably want him dead.

 

[poncho]

The imam guy had some good points. Honestly the first time I've listened to one of them and didn't want to slap him. Of course, now the others in his camp probably want him dead.

Same here, I'm sharing that with friends and family.

 

[MPHSystems]

Fortunately you and I were, by pure luck, born in a country where we are the shining beacon on the hill that does no need aid. We have unlimited opportunity. Unlike any other place in the world.

But that doesn’t, at least in my view, abdicate our obligation to those who were not.

That is what American leadership and exceptionalism is.

I like how your sense of entitlement coupled with your abysmal math skills are putting my children in debt.

You want to give $100B to Israel or Ukraine ? Fine, give them your own money but don’t advocate theft from children to appease your guilty conscience.

 

[530RL]

I like how your sense of entitlement coupled with your abysmal math skills are putting my children in debt.

You want to give $100B to Israel or Ukraine ? Fine, give them your own money but don’t advocate theft from children to appease your guilty conscience.

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Logically consistent with that, you would then argue that America should not be spending any money defending Taiwan, South Korea, NATO, other Allie’s in the Middle East, the Baltics or in SE Asia? Just like Ukraine or Israel, those are also not your problems.

America and your children will be safer and better off if America abdicates its historical leadership role and let the regional players fight amongst themselves for dominance. We should not care enough who controls the Asian region, the Middle East or any part of Europe to spend your children’s money.

 

[Backlash]

Along with what MPHSystems is saying, we shouldn't be spending a dime of OUR money in other parts of the world when there are a million issues in OUR country that need to be addressed first. Do you realize how much our citizens would benefit, if we spent the amount of money shipped overseas, here at home??

I'm sorry, I don't give a flying fuck about the issues between a group of irrational assholes halfway around the world. They've been fighting amongst themselves for over 2,000 years. Nothing this lackluster "President" says or does is going to change that. Don't even get me started on the taxpayer dollars spent to send our POS Governor halfway around the world. He's as worthless as tits on a wild boar.

What we should be doing is taking care of our Veterans who served our country providing us with the freedoms we have today. We should be supporting our current military service members for the freedoms we hope to have tomorrow. We need to rebuild our failing judicial system and we need to provide support to the men and women charged with keeping our communities safe. We need to become more self reliant with regards to manufacturing and production. We need to bring manufacturing back home to THIS country. We should not be relying on other countries for oil production and exploration. We have all we need right here on and around our continent. The list goes on and on and on.

So yes, I agree with what has already been said (Like what MPHSystems said). We shouldn't be sending ANYTHING to ANY other countries until we get our own house in order.

 

[angiebaby]

Logically consistent with that, you would then argue that America should not be spending any money defending Taiwan, South Korea, NATO, other Allie’s in the Middle East, the Baltics or in SE Asia? Just like Ukraine or Israel, those are also not your problems.

America and your children will be safer and better off if America abdicates its historical leadership role and let the regional players fight amongst themselves for dominance. We should not care enough who controls the Asian region, the Middle East or any part of Europe to spend your children’s money.

33 Trillion in debt. We can’t afford it. Honestly, Europe is in a position to take care of themselves. We don’t “owe” them protection. I feel no personal obligation to South Korea or Taiwan. The biggest issue with those two are how dependent we have mistakenly become on their technological manufacturing. We don’t need to be the protectors of the world. What is your argument for why we should? During the beginning of the Cold War under the Marshall Plan, it worked because we “loaned” Europe our money and with that money, they purchased American goods. Now we just “give” them money and they don’t buy Jack from us (except weapons).

You obviously disagree and that’s fine. I’m just genuinely curious what your justification is for why we should defend the whole world with money we don’t have.

 

[DarkHorseRacing]

Kinda hard to get your own house in order when the lifeblood of your economy (oil) is under the countries we are trying to remain on the good side of despite the fact that most of them hate our guts.

So it’s not that simple to take our ball and go home. We’d be ruining our economy and putting us back to the third world if we don’t fight for the natural resources we don’t have.

Sure we have oil under our feet too, but the same environmentalists that refuse to let us drill for it are the same liberal idiots screaming about supporting these wars.

 

[Shlbyntro]

"Why is the professor still in Jerusalem? Why doesn't she return to the U.S. if she feels unsafe?"

The response was weak at best. "She likes the culture and she has made a few friends there. She's been able to travel and visit places like Bethlehem, the Dead Sea, etc. These are places that hold a strong meaning to the Christian world. It wasn't like this when she moved there last year."

let me translate this into terms RDP can understand.

"Because the weather's great, she can go to the beach or mountains whenever she wants, is within 90 minutes of multiple dirtbike areas, and can be at the river in less than 4 hrs."

 

[monkeyswrench]

let me translate this into terms RDP can understand.

"Because the weather's great, she can go to the beach or mountains whenever she wants, is within 90 minutes of multiple dirtbike areas, and can be at the river in less than 4 hrs."

Dunno, there were pics of females in swimsuits strapped with M4's...thinking I may like some of their rules there.

 

[530RL]

33 Trillion in debt. We can’t afford it. Honestly, Europe is in a position to take care of themselves. We don’t “owe” them protection. I feel no personal obligation to South Korea or Taiwan. The biggest issue with those two are how dependent we have mistakenly become on their technological manufacturing. We don’t need to be the protectors of the world. What is your argument for why we should? During the beginning of the Cold War under the Marshall Plan, it worked because we “loaned” Europe our money and with that money, they purchased American goods. Now we just “give” them money and they don’t buy Jack from us (except weapons).

You obviously disagree and that’s fine. I’m just genuinely curious what your justification is for why we should defend the whole world with money we don’t have.

America exports over 3 trillion of goods and services a year. Second largest in the world. But let’s put that aside.

Let’s assume your position is correct and America should abandon its leadership position and become more isolationist.

Let’s talk about implementation of that. We export tons of petroleum but lack refinery capacity. Our problem is not drill baby drill. American government both federal and state have in the past approved large scale new refineries, they are dramatically cleaner and more efficient than existing capacity, but in both cases American citizens have prevented them from happening. See the thread on the large scale refinery approved in Arizona in the 80’s/90’s. Do we strip American citizens right to protest new refinery capacity in their neighborhoods?

Further would you then agree that the defense budget can be dramatically reduced, maybe in half. We pull back our military bases we currently have in 85 countries and mothball most all of our aircraft carriers as projection of force is not needed if we stand back as opposed to engage.

I get the desire move towards isolationism
Even if I believe long term it will result in higher costs in the future. But let’s assume that thinking is wrong. How does one implement it, where does one cut given we let the world do what the world will do and those assets are no longer needed?

I’m a little concerned that the view is we can’t cut military spending, but we should quit doing as we have done in the past.

After the military and energy topic , let’s discuss foreign aid cuts and their impact on economic dominance.

 

[4Waters]

Let’s assume your position is correct and America should abandon its leadership position and become more isolationist.

Let’s talk about implementation of that. We export tons of petroleum but lack refinery capacity. Our problem is not drill baby drill. American government both federal and state have in the past approved large scale new refineries, they are dramatically cleaner and more efficient than existing capacity, but in both cases American citizens have prevented them from happening. See the thread on the large scale refinery approved in Arizona in the 80’s/90’s. Do we strip American citizens right to protest new refinery capacity in their neighborhoods?

Further would you then agree that the defense budget can be dramatically reduced, maybe in half. We pull back our military bases we currently have in 85 countries and mothball most all of our aircraft carriers as projection of force is not needed if we stand back as opposed to engage.

I get the desire move towards isolationism
Even if I believe long term it will result in higher costs in the future. But let’s assume that thinking is wrong. How does one implement it, where does one cut given we let the world do what the world will do and those assets are no longer needed?

I’m a little concerned that the view is we can’t cut military spending, but we should quit doing as we have done in the past.

After the military and energy topic , let’s discuss foreign aid cuts and their impact on economic dominance.

Where do you think we should get the money to pay off this debt? I said it earlier, we are spending money that the taxpayer hasn't earned yet, the money we have been sending Ukraine won't be earned for another 30 years at least

 

[monkeyswrench]

"Economic Dominance"
A polite way of saying we use finances to to flex our might upon others, bringing them in line with our interests.

For the record, I actually don't have a problem with that part. What I have a problem with is using that same financial strength to push other governments into wars to also align others to our ideals.

What's a justifiable number? What body count is allowable to reach what dollar amount? On a small scale, an individual puts a few bodies down, makes maybe 100k, but is tried for murder. A politician votes to put a few thousand bodies down, makes millions, and is a hero?

I guess I like to keep my bloodshed saved for ideals these days, and not profit. Just a simpleton guess.

 

[Racey]

America exports over 3 trillion of goods and services a year. Second largest in the world. But let’s put that aside.

Let’s assume your position is correct and America should abandon its leadership position and become more isolationist.

Let’s talk about implementation of that. We export tons of petroleum but lack refinery capacity. Our problem is not drill baby drill. American government both federal and state have in the past approved large scale new refineries, they are dramatically cleaner and more efficient than existing capacity, but in both cases American citizens have prevented them from happening. See the thread on the large scale refinery approved in Arizona in the 80’s/90’s. Do we strip American citizens right to protest new refinery capacity in their neighborhoods?

Further would you then agree that the defense budget can be dramatically reduced, maybe in half. We pull back our military bases we currently have in 85 countries and mothball most all of our aircraft carriers as projection of force is not needed if we stand back as opposed to engage.

I get the desire move towards isolationism
Even if I believe long term it will result in higher costs in the future. But let’s assume that thinking is wrong. How does one implement it, where does one cut given we let the world do what the world will do and those assets are no longer needed?

I’m a little concerned that the view is we can’t cut military spending, but we should quit doing as we have done in the past.

After the military and energy topic , let’s discuss foreign aid cuts and their impact on economic dominance.

That's alot of text to say absolutely nothing

 

[playdeep]

That's alot of text to say absolutely nothing

Isn't that pretty much his every post?

 

[regor]

That's alot of text to say absolutely nothing

 

[boatpi]

 

[Orange Juice]

The Gaza Strip will put the Grand Canyon to shame by Monday morning. This is the start of ww3

Gaza is going to be stripped of all Hamas. One building at a time. What it looks like after Israel is finished will depend on Hamas resistance.

Iran and North Korea are just about finished. It’s pretty much impossible for them to attack, without immediately being destroyed.

 

[MPHSystems]

Logically consistent with that, you would then argue that America should not be spending any money defending Taiwan, South Korea, NATO, other Allie’s in the Middle East, the Baltics or in SE Asia? Just like Ukraine or Israel, those are also not your problems.

America and your children will be safer and better off if America abdicates its historical leadership role and let the regional players fight amongst themselves for dominance. We should not care enough who controls the Asian region, the Middle East or any part of Europe to spend your children’s money.

Do you even math?


Every man, woman and child And homeless drug addict living in a tent owes $100,000 each in national debt. That number was about $10k when Obama took office. That doesn’t include student debt, credit card debt, mortgage debt car loans, that just in government debt. If you’re one years old today what does that with interest by the time you make it to age 18?

https://www.usdebtclock.org/

$625k in total liability per citizen. My household alone owes $2.5M

 

[TonyFanelli]

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This is just another "pussification" problem in America...I know this is from Ireland, but a vast amount of American corporations use this idiotology

 

[Bigbore500r]

let me translate this into terms RDP can understand.

"Because the weather's great, she can go to the beach or mountains whenever she wants, is within 90 minutes of multiple dirtbike areas, and can be at the river in less than 4 hrs."

You sir have taken this to a new level - Comparing California to Israel
@LargeOrangeFont the baton has been passed!

 

[LargeOrangeFont]

You sir have taken this to a new level - Comparing California to Israel
@LargeOrangeFont the baton has been passed!

Look at all those batons being passed around! These guys must be practicing for the Olympics return to LA in 2028!

 

[Bigbore500r]

Look at all those batons being passed around! These guys must be practicing for the Olympics return to LA in 2028!

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So if CA is Israel......does that make it the nicest state with the hottest chicks in the area, surrounded by shithole states on all sides?